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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 05:53 AM
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The LHC is up and running throwing around particle beams- We are gonna die


LOL



Engineers working on the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) have successfully injected beams of particles into two sections of the vast machine.
An LHC spokesperson said this was the first time particle beams had been inside the LHC since it was shut down late in September 2008.
Scientists working on the giant particle accelerator described the success as "a milestone".

They plan to circulate a beam around the 27km-long tunnel in November.
The LHC was closed down shortly after its switch-on last year, when a magnet problem called a "quench" caused a tonne of liquid helium to leak into its tunnel.


Since then, engineers have been working to repair the damage. Recently, all eight sectors of the LHC were cooled to their operating temperature of 1.9 kelvin (-271C; -456F) - colder than deep space.
On 23 and 25 October, beams of protons and of lead ions were injected into the LHC ring, and successfully guided both clockwise and anti-clockwise through two of the eight sectors. Each sector is approximately 3.5km long.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8326666.stm
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 06:03 AM
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1. Let the fun begin!
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 06:09 AM
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2. An easier cheaper way to do almost the same thing
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 06:19 AM
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3. First the moon and now THIS! When will we learn!!!
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 07:05 AM
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7. I would not have advised firing weapons at unknown targets to see what they are.


But that is just me.

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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 07:40 AM
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12. Would you fear for the great pyramids if someone planned to shoot a BB gun at them?
I thought not.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 12:19 PM
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15. Actually I would.. they are historic treasures. nt
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 01:15 PM
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16. You are right. I should have used a better analogy. What about a BB gun vs Mount Everest?
It is also probably a closer mass/mass match.

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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 01:20 PM
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17. Throwing a BB underhand into the wind is probably a better analogy. (nt)
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 01:35 PM
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18. And you are right... I was not privy to any NASA meetings.
Edited on Tue Oct-27-09 01:39 PM by wroberts189

I just do not want to accidentally fire at an alien observational outpost.


Again... that's just imho.


On edit ...If you believe such things are possible.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 06:19 AM
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4. "Hadron Collider 'being sabotaged by God from the future"
Edited on Tue Oct-27-09 06:23 AM by wroberts189
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26229326-954,00.html

just fyi


snip...


SCIENTISTS claim the giant atom-smashing Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is being jinxed from the future to save the world.

In a bizarre sci-fi theory, Danish physicist Dr Holger Bech Nielsen and Dr Masao Ninomiya from Japan claim the LHC startup has been delayed due to nature trying to prevent it from finding the elusive Higgs boson, or "God particle".



They say their maths proves that nature will "ripple backward through time" to stop the LHC before it can create the God particle, like a time traveller who goes back in time to kill his grandfather.

“One could even almost say that we have a model for God,” Dr Nielsen says in an unpublished essay.

“He rather hates Higgs particles, and attempts to avoid them.”

"While it is a paradox to go back in time and kill your grandfather, physicists agree there is no paradox if you go back in time and save him from being hit by a bus," Dannis Overbye wrote in the New York Times."

on edit let me add this snip:

The multi-billion-dollar machine, built over almost 20 years, was set to launch in late 2008 but broke down after it overheated during a test run.

The relaunch was pushed back to late 2009 as more parts had to be replaced, and CERN was recently scandalised when a LHC scientist was found to have approached al-Qaeda for work.







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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 06:49 AM
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5. Back in the early days of aviation, aircraft designers usually tested their own planes.
Bad designers eliminated themselves. We will see if History repeats itself.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 06:56 AM
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6. If it does the effects could be felt way beyond our galaxy...


Even the Universe.

Who knows? And what the hell do I know? I am just some dumb HS degree fool that reads a lot.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 07:19 AM
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8.  I have never let my schooling interfere with my education.


Mark Twain
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 07:21 AM
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9. I wonder if anyone's running a book ...
Edited on Tue Oct-27-09 07:21 AM by Nihil
... on how long it will be before Nielsen & Ninomiya admit they were
pissed out of their skulls when they wrote that "unpublished essay"
and were simply stunned how many people have earnestly repeated it
around the world since them ...?

:shrug:

(Edit for omission)
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 07:32 AM
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10. Einstein proved time was relative and not a constant.


Or in other words another dimension. Without time as a constant ..well gravity aside things get quite spooky.


Slow it down ..yes .. speed it up ..yes ...all proven ... go backward? It is only logical to presume this .. a great many physicists already accept it as fact.


But again I am just some dumb idiot with crazy ideas.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 08:47 AM
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13. So you actually think thats a real theory?
Edited on Tue Oct-27-09 08:48 AM by no limit
The one about nature damaging the LHC last year?
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 12:17 PM
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14. theory does not mean fact ..and yes I think it is possible. nt
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 07:34 AM
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11. BTW I hear they still stand by their assertions. nt
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 02:16 AM
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21. This one time when I was rollin trippin and stoned "candy flippin" I figured out
That if I farted at exactly 11:25 on 11/25 the eventual result of my subtle (or not so subtle) manipulation of matter would result in someone's death who otherwise would still be living. I would have worked out the math but I could barely articulate a sentence.

Kudos to these champions of inebriated thinking for being able to actually do math while clearly high as kites! :applause:
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 03:49 PM
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19. If they cause the whole planet to blow up...we're gonna have one hell of a class action lawsuit!
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 07:36 PM
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20. In the afterlife... I do not think lawsuits are possible unfortunately. nt
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 08:40 AM
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22. Large Hadron Collider music video!
It's black metal, so get ready to :headbang:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ_JZ6K-mHQ

:hi:
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phasma ex machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 05:48 PM
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23. Thanks for posting. nt
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