Oh, and as a reminder

[Tab]

I posted this in GD, but things disappear there really quickly.

This weekend...




Yup, it's "that time" again. Or maybe it's "that time" until Saturday night, and then it'll be an hour ahead of "that time".

Anyway, don't let it screw you up.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

1. Until then,

there is this: http://home.tiscali.nl/annejan/swf/timeline.swf

[troubleinwinter]

2. I live in one of the only two states that does not have Daylight Savings.

Arizona and Hawaii.

[elleng]

3. And PARTS of Indiana????

Remember The West Wing? 'Lost in Indiana!'

[troubleinwinter]

4. No, at this point Indiana observes Daylight Savings

They do have two different time zones.

In Arizona, we do not observe DS, except the very large Navajo Reservation (which is nearly a quarter of the state, in the northeast) does, except the Hopi reservation does not, which is surrounded by Navajo lands.

So if you drive a line from one point in Arizona onto Navajo lands, across Hopi lands, then Navajo, then off the reservation, you need to change your clock many times.

My grandfather, an astronomer, helped lead the fight against DS in Hawaii. Hawaii is so near the equator, they do not need it. He said the only people who wanted it were the bankers, who wanted to be able to have more time to trade with Wall Street.

We do not need it in AZ. It would be an energy waste down there in the hot parts like Phoenix, causing more use of AC. The reason the Navajo reservation is on DS is because it is in three states.

[pengillian101]

7. That's what I will neverstand.

"We do not need it in AZ. It would be an energy waste down there in the hot parts like Phoenix, causing more use of AC."

What in the world does changing of the clocks have to do with how hot it is, lol.

Originally, wasn't it something to do with farming while it's daylight?

Makes no nevermind once you are free of a clock. ;-)<P>

[troubleinwinter]

9. It never had to do with farming. In fact the reason that Indiana was divided for so many years was

due to FARMERS' resistance, as they did not like working and bringing in hired hands during dark mornings.

Originally, DST was used in WWI to conserve electricity, used by incandescent lighting (coal) and to reduce air-raid blackouts.

Today, the energy used by lighting is less than that used by air conditioning in hot climates. Perhaps this describes it:

"In Arizona, where it's very hot in the summer, they consume a lot of electricity to run the air conditioners. Air conditioners use a LOT more electricity than light bulbs. So, in Arizona they prefer to have sunset earlier. Although it is darker when people are active in the evening, it's also cooler at this time. So air conditioning is used less, and this saves more energy than would be saved by not using artificial lights.

It's also very hot in Nevada, and Nevada DOES change to Daylight Saving Time. During the evening hours, more electricity is used in Nevada than in Arizona on air conditioning, which demonstrates why Daylight Saving Time is not such a good idea in hot climates."

The closer to the equator, the less useful is DST, and yet,

"A 2008 study examined billing data in Indiana before and after it adopted DST in 2006, and concluded that DST increased residential electricity consumption by 1% to 4%, primarily due to extra afternoon cooling". "Having the entire state switch to daylight-saving time each year, rather than stay on standard time, costs Indiana households an additional $8.6 million in electricity bills. They conclude that the reduced cost of lighting in afternoons during daylight-saving time is more than offset by the higher air-conditioning costs on hot afternoons and increased heating costs on cool mornings."

Guess who paid the largest lobbying money for DST in recent years!

"In the mid-1980s, Clorox (parent of Kingsford Charcoal) and 7-Eleven provided the primary funding for the Daylight Saving Time Coalition behind the 1987 extension to U.S. DST, and both Idaho senators voted for it on the basis of fast-food restaurants selling more French fries made from Idaho potatoes; in 2005, the Sporting Goods Manufacturers Association and the National Association of Convenience Stores successfully lobbied for the 2007 extension to U.S. DST."

I lived my whole life in California, Hawaii and now Arizona. It isn't needed in Hawaii and Arizona, certainly, and I'd say other southern states. It doesn't seem to be doing Indiana much good, either. But 7-Eleven and McDonalds love it, as do manufacturers of golf equipment.

It's a waste of energy. We do not need Daylight Savings.

[pengillian101]

13. Thanks, that was informative!

Originally, DST was used in WWI to conserve electricity, used by incandescent lighting (coal) and to reduce air-raid blackouts.

I kinda remembered that, but was taught it was a farmer deal.

Gads, we've been lied to for DECADES!

:hi:

[troubleinwinter]

11. Malcom and Buddy

Malcom and Buddy live next door to one another, but Malcom lives through the summer on Standard Time, and Buddy lives on Daylight Savings Time.

Malcom and Buddy both work in the same building where the thermostat keeps the building at a steady, constant 76 degrees.

When Malcom wakes up at 7:00 by his clock, it is light out, but the sun isn't high yet, so it's alright. Buddy wakes up at 7:00 by his clock, and it's dark, so turns on a light, and it's a tad cool, so he turns on the heat while he gets ready for work.

After work, they both arrive home at 6:00 according to each one's clock. Malcom finds it to be pretty hot at this time, so he turns on the Air Conditioner and sits down with a gin and tonic. After an hour, he decides to spend an hour on the patio, turning off the AC. The sun is setting, and it's a nice warm evening. After an hour, he comes inside and turns on a lamp to read for an hour, retiring to bed at 9:00.

Buddy gets home and the heat is harsh, because the sun is high and beating down. He turns on the AC and sits down with a scotch and soda. After an hour, he still can't go outside yet, because the sun is still high and hot. He will sit indoors for another hour in the AC, until the sun goes down enough to go outside. After an hour on the patio, Buddy goes to bed at 9:00.
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The theory that this illustrates is that Buddy used air conditioning for that extra hour, plus morning heating.

[pengillian101]

12. Thanks for explaining, but it still does not compute for me.

Malcom and Buddy live next door to one another, but Malcom lives through the summer on Standard Time, and Buddy lives on Daylight Savings Time.

Malcom and Buddy both work in the same building where the thermostat keeps the building at a steady, constant 76 degrees.

When Malcom wakes up at 7:00 by his clock, it is light out, but the sun isn't high yet, so it's alright. Buddy wakes up at 7:00 by his clock, and it's dark, so turns on a light, and it's a tad cool, so he turns on the heat while he gets ready for work.

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You are are awake or asleep. It's hot or cold outside. A clock changes nothing. I just don't get Daylight Savings. Never have, never will.

:hi:

[Tab]

5. Just kicking as a reminder

I've changed most clocks in the house. I really like my digital ones that have a little DST button.

But I can't forget my cars either, etc., etc.

Take care, everyone. This puts us an extra hour away from Bush.

[Lucinda]

6. Thankie....Our computers do it themselves, but Bills alarm clock needs the human touch.

I would have missed it!

[Tangerine LaBamba]

8. Oh, great. Now what do I do with this?

[troubleinwinter]

10. Soft boiled eggs.