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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 08:31 PM
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Calling all Vegans
Edited on Thu May-21-09 08:33 PM by madmax
I need to cut out red meat, all sugar, fats, and oil. Chicken and Fish are ok, but - I want good results so I'll go strict Vegan.

Please recommend your favorite recipe book or post a favorite recipe. I mostly need main course dishes.

Thanks guys! :hi:

on edit: Can anyone recommend good quality Black Tea and Green Tea?
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wakemeupwhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 09:12 PM
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1. There's a good vegan group right here on DU.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 09:32 PM
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2. Thanks, I looked in the lobby
list but, didn't see one listed. I think I need new glasses :blush:
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wakemeupwhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 09:52 PM
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5. It's in a pretty obscure place so no worries.
:hi:
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wakemeupwhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 09:26 PM
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79. It has come to my attention that some might have thought that
I pointed you towards VVAR group because maybe your thread was better suited to that group. Absolutely wrong! I pointed you towards that group because I thought it would be a source of info in addition to C&B group. And, you said you wanted to be vegan which is much more specialized IMO then being a vegetarian. I have nothing but admiration for vegetarians & vegans.

:hug:
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 09:41 PM
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3. Moosewood
There are several Moosewood cookbooks. Vegan. Not low cal or low fat, necessarily, but all are sophisticated, serious vegan eats. No faux roast beef or tofurkey sort of ersatz meat.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 11:18 PM
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8. Low fat is what I need.
btw.. Happy Birthday. How'd the birthday cake turn out. Read Sprakly's post about the unpeaking egg whites. She's funny gal! Oh yeah, and I saw your new toy, too. You go big daddy :hi:
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hibbing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 09:46 PM
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4. Tazo Tea
Hi,
I like Tazo Tea, a bit much, but I splurge every once in awhile.

Peace
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 11:19 PM
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9. Great - I've seen that one at my local grocery store.
I'm going to cut back on non-necessities. The food thing is really important. Thanks :hi:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 10:12 PM
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6. It's not strictly vegan
but "How to Cook Everything Vegetarian" by Mark Bittman. It's a massive book with themes and variations on everything vegetarian, including vegan.

http://www.amazon.com/How-Cook-Everything-Vegetarian-Meatless/dp/0764524836/ref=sr_1_3/184-1701573-5322445?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242961681&sr=8-3

Cutting out all fats and oils is a very bad idea, BTW, and can make you incredibly sick. You can cut them down, but cutting them out is self defeating. Those essential fatty acids are vital for your metabolism to function. The best thing you can do is use small amounts of unsaturated fats. I use olive oil and safflower oil.

My favorite green tea for sipping is jasmine tea from a Chinese grocery, comes in a mustard yellow, gold and black tin. It needs no sweetening.

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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 11:20 PM
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10. I'm checking out Amazon now
Will look for this book. Thank you.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 06:59 AM
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17. That's some book!
I'm ordering it. I will be using High-Lignan Flax oil both liquid and capsules and cold pressed Extra Virgin Olive oil. Also, Omega 3.

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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 07:55 AM
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20. Warpy?
I like this book. Is sugar used in many recipes? The Budwig diet - absolutely NO sugar. Honey is ok.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 12:00 PM
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24. Sugar is sugar
whether it's refined by bees or machinery. Honey is higher in fructose than table sugar is. Unless you want the added flavor of the various varieties of honey, use sugar. Just use it very sparingly. It's all empty calories.

I like the mild extra flavor of turbinado sugar when I use it, mostly in things like black tea. It's like a super light brown sugar and adds a caramel undertone to my PG Tips. A pound of sugar lasts me a couple of years.

I use the wicked white granules when I'm baking for other people but mostly for syrup for my hummingbird feeder.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 07:17 PM
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26. This Budwig diet forbids all sugar
in any form except honey and fructose from eating fresh or frozen fruit. I was diagnosed with cancer and in addition to the chemo and radiation which I'm done with - for nowl. I want to build up my blood and my immune system. In his book 'Cure Your Cancer' Bill Henderson says if you don't follow the diet to the letter and '...eat bons bons - then say bye bye.'

I'm not looking for a cure - I just want to get more time. I'm 59 and the first Dr. I saw gave me 3 years. The other 2 a greed with the diagnosis and that I'm stage IV but, didn't put an experation date on me. Stage IV is not an absolute death sentence in some cases. I read about people living way beyond their 'experation date' and talked to people who have friends, relatives, etc. who also surpassed the time by years.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 08:31 PM
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33. Good nutrition will certainly help prolong your life
but be careful if you find yourself losing weight on that diet.

Most cancer patients die of starvation, not the cancer.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 11:49 PM
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51. I'm gaining weight
I was 128lbs. BC now I'm 151lbs. guess I could use to lose a few lbs. If I get to 135 I'll be happy.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 12:06 PM
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67. Do NOT try to lose weight
Any extra weight now will allow you to remain alive a little longer later.

Forget that girlish figure. This is your life we're talking about.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 08:46 AM
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82. Got that right!
Hell, you hit the nail on the head. I don't care at all about looks. I lost all my hair and wore a flannel cap during the winter but, it's so warm now I go out bare headed. My hair has started to grow back and it's a little longer than Demi's in GI Jane. :rofl: If only I looked like Demi! I'd be sleeping with Ashton :blush:

I've bought new capri's and jeans that are more comfortable to wear. Size 14's.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 09:19 PM
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78. YOU SHUT UP!
You keep on gaining weight, ya jerk. That's strength. That's reserve. That's all good, so let's just shelve our vanity and be healthy.

You're gaining weight? You're doing it right. Make this hard-headed Calabrese happy, and keep eating.

Mangia, amica mia.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 09:19 AM
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84. My daughter in law's father
lived for 14 years after his diagnosis of bladder cancer. He weighed every bit of about 285 lbs. and ate a pint of ice cream everynight. Also smoked and worked for the NJ Turnpike as a toll collector (all those fumes). He was of the same mind set eat and live.

Yep, gaining weight. I weighed 134 lbs. BC and now I weigh 151!! Needed to get bigger pants, lol.


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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 10:30 AM
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86. See?
People who are sick don't gain weight, that's what I think.

Eat. Be fat and happy and healthy. Life is for enjoying, and now is your time................ :)
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 11:34 AM
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87. aren't you going to add
'I told you so.' :bounce: :rofl:
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 09:11 PM
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39. Can I clarify something?
Honey is not vegan- it's an animal product. Refined sugar may or may not be, depending on how it's processed because some white cane sugar is refined with bone char. Health-wise, most sugars are the same, though some absorb into the body a little slower, which is a good thing.

As far as relatively unprocessed sweeteners suitable for vegans, I'm a huge fan of agave nectar. It's supposed to be lower on the glycemic index than most sugars, and in terms of taste and texture it's a near-perfect mimic for honey, minus the animal exploitation. Also, eating it raw keeps it from getting made into tequila, which is a good idea in my book because that stuff is FOUL. ;)
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 11:38 PM
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50. The white stuff is pretty awful
but tequila reposada and tequila anejo are aged and mellowed in oak barrels and a completely different booze experiences.

The point about honey being an animal product is well taken. Budwig developed his diet so long ago that he didn't consider that aspect.

The only advantage I can see to his insistence on honey is that it's expensive so people do tend to use far less of it than they'd use of white sugar and encouraging people to bag the pies and pastries in favor of fruit.

Agave or rice syrup would serve the same purpose without bothering the bees.
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The empressof all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 01:39 AM
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59. Honey contains specific micronutrients that are benificial
Local unpasturized honey is sometimes a great relief as a homopathic treatment for allergies. I have used it for quite sometime with great results in controlling my issues with the pollen. I get my raw honey directly from a bee keeper and taking a spoonful daily has dramatically reduced my reliance on precriptives.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 10:17 AM
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60. Not in sufficient quantity to make any sort of a difference
unless you're a true believer in silly things like homeopathy.

It's still sugar.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 11:12 AM
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66. I'm going to avail myself of the local farmers market
I live in the Triangle area of NC. Wake County. We have several markets and one about a mile from my home just opened this year. Will look for raw honey.
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The empressof all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 12:12 PM
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68. The thing about healthy eating is that it's all very personal
Edited on Sat May-23-09 12:14 PM by The empressof all
Warpy is correct---Honey is just sugar. And although I personally would not subscribe to a great many alternative "cures" the local honey has decreased my suffering with the allergies. It's one of those things that works for me but may not work for all.

I am a great believer though in you are what you eat. I try to eat as clean as possible but it's hard and it's expensive. As someone who has tried different eating styles throughout my life I've learned that it's very personal. I know my body can not tolerate high quantities of wheat, sugar and starchy foods. It makes me sick and throws my metabolism and blood sugar out of control. Other folks do better with a grain based diet. Much of it is trial and error

The science behind food as medicine is still in it's infancy. For every theory or food plan you find on the internet you'll find 10 more people debunking it. It's a personal choice you alone must make after you weigh all your options. For me...if I knew I was sick...I'd be hard pressed to give up the chocolate.

Have you looked into consulting with a nutritionist?
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 08:34 PM
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76. I agree with what you've written
I'm pretty conventional in my thinking about this cancer situation. I'm going with the whatever will get the best results be it surgery, chemo, radiation, whatever. The food thing is just to be in good physical shape.

We had to cut short the chemo to only 3 rounds because NOT ONE of the almighty Dr.'s at DUKE saw my blood going to hell week after week for 4 weeks. Then the Resident of the Radiation Dr. called and said I had to get to the hospital immediately. Which I did and was admitted for 4 days. Since then I've worked with my GP to find another oncologist. He previously worked at UNC for 14 years and now has been in private practice. He does the chemo right in his office and the Radiology Group is in the same office building.
I've met him once and we had a 2 hour appt. and discussed everything. I like him.

The food aspect of my search is just to be able to handle the toxic consequences of chemo. Build up the blood and immune system and as an aside the Flaxseed and Omega vitamins seem to get high marks amongst dieticians.

I spoke to a dietician when I was hospitalized. She told me about Flax oil and Flax seeds. She buys them at Whole Foods and grinds them herself. I'm not chasing off the wall cancer cures. I lost a friend who had melanoma which spread to her brain. This was in the mid 70's. At that time the 'miracle cure' for cancer was Laetrille sp? -apricot pits. Her husband wanted to take her to Mexico for that but, she refused.

I'm just going with the flow and trying to keep myself healthy and happy. I keep busy doing things I've always done and have been told I'm the happiest cancer patient they've met. :hippie:


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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 11:52 PM
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52. Seems to be an alternative for
just about everything. I thought is was all raw celery, carrots, and tofu.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 08:09 PM
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90. Not so - some sugars are worse for you than others...
but the variations are like white rice and brown rice - carbs is carbs just the same...

it's all a matter of degrees...

but too much sugar is NOT a good thing for any of the types...
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 11:13 PM
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7. WOW you guys are great!!
I've got so many irons in the fire I can't find up from down. I knew DU'ers would relieve some stress by helping me find what I need quick. I love you guys!! :grouphug:
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 12:12 AM
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11. Celestial Seasonings is the best tea around.
I make a pot of their herbal tea just about every night--only need two tea bags to a whole pot.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 05:55 AM
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13. I've tried them
There was one I really like Orange something but, I haven't seen it here in NC.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 12:41 AM
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12. Trader Joe's makes a jasmine green tea that I like.
If you have a TJ's near you.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 06:00 AM
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14. I'm pretty luciky
We have Whole Foods, Trader Joe's, and Kroeger. In another post someone mentioned Kroeger in another post. I don't think it's going to be a big hassle to find good food here.

If I'd have known NC was such a great place to live I'd have seriously nagged my husband to move here 20 years ago :evilgrin: His company went bankrupt that's why we moved. Hmmm, ya think I owe this 'good fortune' to bush? :spank:
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 06:12 AM
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15. LeftyMom and flvegan are both good sources too as far as posters go
Edited on Fri May-22-09 06:13 AM by mtnester
if you post on the vegan group, I guarantee you will get a response from for sure flvegan

LeftyMom helped me out with some seitan issues. (her quote..."Knead your seitan, people!")

If your Whole Foods has it, try the Popcorn Nuggets (in the cooler with the pre-prepared salads, and in the General Tso's in the deli case)...you can get an idea of what you can do with vital wheat gluten....stuff has the exact texure of meat.

There are a couple of fools out there on this board that SAY they are vegetarians, because sometimes they go a few days without meat...steer far far FAR away from that lunacy....fair warning to you. :)

Good luck!
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 06:25 AM
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16. Thanks for the tips
I'm going full speed ahead with strict Vegan. I'm convinced that not only is it cruelty to animals but, all the chemicals used and hormones on live animals is making us sick. Cancer is on the rise - looks like it has or will soon surpass heart disease.

I wasn't a big red meat eater but, chicken and especially fish were favorites. I'm of Portuguese decent. Fish to us is what Pasta is to Italians ;)
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 07:08 AM
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18. I'm going strict Vegan
I wish I could say I'm becoming a vegan like you guys for moral and ethical reasons but, I've been driven to it under the lash of cancer after reading some material from a German Dr./Scientist Dr. Johanna Budwig.

Six months ago I was diagnosed with Adenocarcinoma. I went to the dr. thinking I pulled a muscle on my groin after lifting some heavy boxes in the garage.

After 85 tests they cannot find the Primary source of the cancer. There is no cancer in any organ, blood none anywhere. But, I've looked it up and it does exist. A cancer that affects only about 4% of the population and the smoking gun isn't found until autopsy. Great :cry: What I do have is a small tumor in my pelvis near the groin and hip bone which the Dr.says is not the primary but, has metastasized.

I've had 3 rounds of poisoning (chemo) and 20 sessions of microwaving (radiation). I'm having a PET Scan May 28th to see if there are any new developments. Oh, and as an extra bonus I'm classified Stage IV - V is dead. I have officially entered the Twilight Zone of Medicine. Plus, the Oncologist - one year out of Residency at Duke told me I have 3 years to live. Needless to say I've dumped him. Anyone with that attitude to write me off so quickly doesn't instill a lot of faith in him.

The chemo totally destroyed my blood chemistry and if and when I need to go through that again I want my body to be in the best physical health to withstand the assault. What is so hard to wrap my brain around is that I FEEL GREAT!! I don't have any pain, I'm doing everything that I did BC. It's so hard to get a grip on it. Even the chemo and radiation had no negative side affects except for the chemo screwing up the blood chemistry.

I'm not looking for a cure per se - I just want to be in good health to stretch 3 years into a little more time.

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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 07:22 AM
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19. I am not a vegan..I "experiment" with it
I am not brave enough yet to make the committment...and it IS a commitment, of time, for sure, and of nerve as well...that said, I rarely eat meat, but still like the dairy and eggs and cheese...so I am at an impasse of sorts.

And I do try to go chemical free...and completely admire the No Chem, No Syn folks greatly...another hard road in this consumer day and age...altough the changes are happening, and will continue to, toward a more healthy planet and lifestyle as far as products and all go.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 09:14 PM
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40. Thanks!
We got the cross-post. :) Feel free to PM either one of us if there's ever any veg cooking stuff that needs thrown over the fence.
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cmf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 08:12 AM
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21. Someone just suggested a good vegan cookbook to my husband a couple weeks ago
Made the change to vegan for health reasons like you. He raved about it. I haven't had a chance to check it out yet, but it sounds amazing.

http://www.amazon.com/Veganomicon-Ultimate-Isa-Chandra-Moskowitz/dp/156924264X
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 07:20 PM
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27. Thank you
I've got to get a vegan cookbook. I can't live on Flaxseed and cottage cheese alone. ::crazy: I'm checking out a few. Bet I buy more than one ;)
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 10:01 AM
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22. I know what my daughter would tell you.
She's all about the raw food diet, and says you get so many more nutrients and enzymes if you eat your food raw, and that it's a cancer preventative diet and keeps you young. We've tried some of her recipes and while some are good, I think going to an all-raw diet is a bit extreme. It means no bread, dairy, meat of any kind--unless you eat it raw. Not even coffee or tea if they are heated above a certain temperature. Besides that you have to spend a LOT of time chewing! But try to get something fresh and uncooked in each meal, because those enzymes are important.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 07:22 PM
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28. Couldn't do that at all.
Have you heard of the Chineese Diet. Anthing that has a liver, a face, or a mother is not allowed. All the recipes are more or less swamp water! It's very :puke:
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wakemeupwhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 07:27 PM
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30. Do you want to be a vegetarian or a vegan? (Edited)
Edited on Fri May-22-09 07:36 PM by wakemeupwhenitsover
Vegetarians eat nothing with a face. That means no chicken, fish, meat, etc. & no chicken or fish broth either or gelatin, but they do eat milk, butter, cheese, eggs, etc.

Vegans eat nothing with a face & no animal by-products either - no butter, cheese, milk, eggs, etc.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 08:28 PM
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32. some vegans won't eat honey,either.
Because it puts stress on bees I guess.
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wakemeupwhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 09:01 PM
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37. Yeah, I just hit the ones I was sure of, but I know it's more complicated.
I read somewhere that vegans can't eat most white sugar since bones are used to whiten it. I have no idea if it's true & I've never googled it.

And the gelatin was one that never dawned on me until I was talking to a vegetarian friend.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 09:31 PM
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41. That's correct.
In the US (the UK and most of the Commonwealth countries switched to other refining methods years ago but very few domestic manufacturers have) about half of all cane sugar is refined with bone char. Beet sugar and organic sugar are never bleached with bone char. So when cooking for vegans it's best to stick with organic sugar, unbleached sugars (turbinado, sucanat, evaporated cane juice) or beet sugar. Some brands are known to bleach with bone char, some aren't, and some do some of each, and honestly even I as a vegan forever can't keep track- it's easiest to just stick to unrefined and organic sugars and various alternative sweeteners like agave nectar, brown rice syrup and maple syrup.
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wakemeupwhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 10:49 PM
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46. So the white sugar would apply to voth vegans
& vegetarians, right? I mean, when I have vegetarian friends over I shouldn't make anything with white, refined sugar? I can do that, just need to be sure. And I'm sure I have turbinado around the house or can easily buy some. I would hate to put my vegetarian friends in an awkward situation.



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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 01:23 AM
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57. Hard to say with vegetarians.
In my experience in the US most of them are okay with things that I, as a vegan, would think would be inappropriate for vegetarians. For example most cheese isn't really vegetarian because it's made with rennet, but vegetarians in the US generally don't check for that when they eat cheese. Other places it's different: in the UK cheese is labeled as appropriate for vegetarians in most grocers, for example, and the sugar companies all switched to non-bone char bleaching methods ages ago.

I would ask them how they feel about it in your case, but the typical ovo-lacto vegetarian might not even realize that sugar is potentially not vegetarian.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 12:06 AM
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54. bones in sugar? that's crazy.
Bones? Yeah I know the one about gelatin. That extends to some vitamin tablets. One of my daughters has been a vegetarian for something like ten years (26 now). The other one became one recently (this is the raw foods one, but she doesn't stick to it really).
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 01:24 AM
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58. Not strictly in them, just used as a filtering medium during processing.
Lately a lot of vitamin companies have been labeling their products that are suitable for vegetarians and/or vegans. That's really helpful.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 07:11 PM
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75. It's hard to make tiny newspapers and mags for them to read when they shit...
It's easier with computers, now - but that tiny movable type was MURDER!!!
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 08:32 PM
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34. I don't know lol
I'm new to this. I'm just trying to eat as healthy as possible to build up my immune system and get my blood chemistry back to normal since Chemo has made me anemic and my sodium and phosphate levels were in the toilet and litterally got a call from the hosptial to be there in 30 minutes.

I'm trying a diet that suggests no sugar of any kind, no fats, no red meat. Lot's of cottage cheese, Flaxseeds, and Omega 3 and Omega 6. That's why was asking about vegan. I didn't know that there is a difference between Vegan and Vegetarian. I'm new to this and although I'm now in remission I want to be as healthy as possible to withstand any further assaults on my body. I'll check on the definitions on the web and with the Vegans and Vegetarins on that group.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 08:44 PM
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35. well, I have an idea, for what it's worth
Edited on Fri May-22-09 08:47 PM by ginnyinWI
If no doctor told you to become a vegetarian, but just to eat really healthy, then I'd say following a Mediterranean style diet would be a very healthy way to go. I've read that some version of it is followed by all of the most long-lived cultures around the world.

Basically it is this: fresh fruit and vegetables, bread, olive oil, wine, lowfat cheeses like ricotta and feta, and fish. Occasionally chicken. In the past, red meat was a luxury saved only for special occasions and holidays. Daily fare was a lot more simple and healthful. Of course traditonal people were also a lot more active and got plenty of exercise to go along with the good food, fresh air and sunny climate.

Google "Mediterranean diet" and I'm sure you'll find a lot of information. The fish and olive oil will give you a lot of healthy fats, not nasty saturated ones.
Think of traditional Italian or Greek food, or the food of Southern France, Morocco, Lebanon, and Israel. Flatbreads, couscous, lentils, and always lots of fresh ingredients like salads and fresh fruit. Healthy and tasty!

Here's a link to get you started: http://www.mediterranean-food-recipes.com/
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 08:48 PM
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36. That's a GREAT idea -
The diet madmax was citing seemed unnecessarily harsh to me, and - I'm very indulgent - not much fun.

The other day, thinking of Sardinia after an exchange right here in C&B with elleng, I went looking at "Sardinian recipe" websites. Man, there are some yummy things out there, and, given the cuisine I grew up with - pure Calabrian, only with more meat because we were "rich Americans," that's some fine eating.

I hope madmax sees this and considers it. Everything in moderation, of course, but I think your idea/suggestion is a first-rate one. Good for you for keeping that Thinking Cap on.

Now, I'm off to look at more Sardinian recipes.........................
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 10:32 PM
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44. Hi, Kiddo!
Let us know what you find, please!

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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 10:42 PM
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45. I just found one I'll fix this weekend, I think -
http://www.foodandwine.com/recipes/cavatelli-with-sardinian-meat-sauce

I've had this - home made - and it is great. Of all things, mint?



Tomorrow, I'm putting together a whole lot of Thai summer rolls, and I just fixed a super dipping sauce for them, but maybe on Sunday.



http://chocolateandzucchini.com/archives/2005/02/mini_summer_rolls_with_thai_dipping_sauce.php

You cooking this weekend, kid?
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 10:52 PM
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47. Kid, I rarely cook any more,
Edited on Fri May-22-09 10:55 PM by elleng
but MAY make guacamole (Have fresh toms and avocs.)

YOU are TOO much!!! Who's in your CROWD of foodies???

PS, Mint and Saffron optional!
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 11:05 PM
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48. You're funny ......
Here you are at C&B. Foodie, through and through. You don't have to cook to be one.

People wander in and out of this place, friends who are family, and I am constitutionally unable to allow them even to sit down without feeding them, so, since I found a huge stash of rice paper wrappers, and I just cooked up two pounds of shrimp, the summer rolls are a natural. They're easy and really, really good.

But, if you ever feel like cooking, that pasta and sausage dish is really good.

At least this conversation isn't making me hungry ................
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 11:16 PM
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49. You ARE Italian!!!
:hug:

YHM.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 08:30 AM
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81. I'll be over for dinner ;-) n/t
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 10:24 AM
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62. Ah Ha!!
Edited on Sat May-23-09 10:25 AM by madmax
Calabrese - the hard headed ones. :rofl:


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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 09:17 PM
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77. Ha!
You're surprised, I can tell.

Don't you love all the gorgeous, helpful, knowledgeable responses you've got here?

The best people in the world, I swear.

This thread is a work of art.

And you made it happen.

Take a bow, madmax ...................

:hug:
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 08:28 AM
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80. Ta Daaaa
The best people. This group has always had a special camaraderie. :grouphug:
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wakemeupwhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #35
38. I've also heard that it was one of the most healthful diets.
And not really restrictive, IMO.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 10:53 AM
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64. There was a program - on FoodNetwork
If my memory serves me - which it doesn't :evilgrin: about an island in Greece where no one has cancer or heart disease. They eat somthing like 98% fish and vegetables. Since land is limited for raising animals for food they don't have much of a choice but, the health benefits seem to be worth it.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 11:58 PM
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53. I'm of Portuguese decent
What you wrote just about describes the type of food I grew up with fish, (love fish) chicken, olive oil, fresh veggies, and of course wine and cheese. I'm first generation born in the USA.

To tell you the truth there is a little part of me that's hoping for a miracle in the form of this Budwig Diet. But, I'd be grateful for a little extra time.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 12:31 AM
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56. Consider this -
might the diet you're genetically related to be the best one for you?

I just tend to see a weird kind of symmetry in so many things, and I honestly believe that if you eat the things you like - all in moderation, natch - they are the best kind of medicine for you.

The point now is to be happy and the Budwig Diet doesn't sound happy. But, maybe it'll be just right for you?

I'm thinking with my keyboard here................... :hug:
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 10:21 AM
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61. I was thinking the same thing
I've been eating Rotisserie Chicken -legs and thighs from Harris Teeter here in NC for 4 months!! Lunch and Dinner with salad or green beans. I can't believe I'm not tired of it yet. Since hair and nails are 90 something % protein my hair is growing back quickly and my nails are as strong as bricks.

I'm thinking fish, chicken, veggies, salad, fresh fruit. Eliminate bad fats, anything processed, and sugar, add some vegan burgers for a change of pace. Supplement my diet with Flaxseed, and Omega 3 and 6. My Dr. has me on Rx. Vit. D 5000IU 1 x a week and 500mg of Potassium Chloride and Iron daily to get my blood chemistry back.

From Amazon I'm ordering Vegan Vittles and an immersible blender to make soups and smoothies. I believe I'm now armed with enough information to work out something healthy and happy.

I hear Tangerines are very good. :hug:
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 01:07 PM
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70. Tangerine?
Meh. They're just orange wannabes. :)

But, I think what you wrote here makes a whole lot of sense. You're in good shape now, and if you follow what you crave, I honestly believe you'll eat what's good for you. I think our bodies tell us.

The idea of eating the same thing for four months makes perfect sense to me. It tastes good to you, you want it, and look at the results you're getting! I think you're being your own nutritionist just by virtue of what tastes good to you.

Food's fuel, it's medicine, and, above all, it's fun. And you're due some serious fun.

So keep talking here and keep this place informed as to your progress. Please. OK?

Thanks............

:toast:
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 10:35 AM
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63. Thanks ginnyinWI
Looks like a good website. I've bookmarked and will start a folder with recipes. Great comfort food and very similar to what Mom cooked. Mom died 3 years ago at the age of 92!!

I used to make a mean Pasta Primavera with shrimp, scallops, broccoli and red peppers with a lot of olive oil, garlic and a touch of red peeper flakes to kick it up a notch. Yeah, love Emeril.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 12:24 PM
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69. you're welcome!
This is DU at its best--when we can pool all of our ideas and help someone out. :pals:
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demmiblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 10:19 AM
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23. Here is a good website:
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 07:23 PM
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29. My mouth is watering for the potato
soup and the lentil soup!! Great website - thanks :hug:
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 07:44 PM
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31. That just reminded me ........
I found this recipe the other day, and bookmarked it - it just sounded SO good to me - I grew up not far from Amish country, so maybe I was flashing back - but I think maybe the flour isn't really all that necessary.

It just grabbed me - I hope you like it:

http://www.cdkitchen.com/recipes/recs/510/Amish_Kitchens_Corn_Potato_Chowder31249.shtml
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 05:32 PM
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73. Oh, NEAT
and set up for the lazy cook. I love it.

Forget the VitaMix, though, the last thing I need is another piece of kitchen junk.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 10:16 PM
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42. "Vegan Vittles" is probably my favorite cookbook
Most are very simple recipes, but very very tasty.

Welcome to veganism! I hope it brings the results you're looking for.

As others have suggested, please come and visit our Veggie forum here on DU though I hope you'll continue to post here in C&B.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 10:24 PM
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43. Vegan Vittles is good.
As a baking nut I'm also really fond of The Joy of Vegan Baking.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 12:17 AM
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55. Lefty Mom and flvegan
Vegan Vittles has been added to my Amazon order. First few pages explain the difference between Vegan and Vegetarian. Sounds like a good place for me to start. A lot of recipes, too. I'm not a fussy eater I can eat the same thing 2or 3 times a week if I like it.
I may not be able to adhere to either Vegan or Vegetarian 100% but, I'll give it my best shot.

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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 11:06 AM
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65. The Mediiterranean diet
Edited on Sat May-23-09 11:07 AM by madmax
Ordered several book from Amazon and one book is 'The Healing Power of Flax by Herb Joiner-Bey, ND. I've just been skimmning through it the morning but, it's so much in line with what Tangerine and others are saying here. Don't have to go to the extremes. It cites studies of Greek women - who have lower breast cancer rates than their American counter parts, etc.

Now I'll stop skimming and start reading.

Love you guys - you not only helped me work through a plan of what to eat you've shown love and kindness. :grouphug:
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Blues Heron Donating Member (397 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 01:13 PM
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71. How about lentil potato soup? with carrots and celery
dice some potatoes, fry in olive oil, till starting to brown, add shredded carrots and chopped celery, fry some tomato paste in there as well, then cover with water and simmer until it all starts to break down. Then clean your lentils to remove any stones, add to the pot, add your favorite spices, salt, pepper, bay leaf, parsley, etc. simmer till the lentils are done, enjoy!

totally vegan, totally delish!

I copped this recipe off a TV chef famous for her Italian cuisine.... :)
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 09:50 AM
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85. I can't think of her name
but I've seen her a few times. I like the recipe. Thought eating healthy was going to be such a drag but, from the recipes I'm getting from C&B it's going to be very very good for me and so many of them are comfort foods and easy to make.

Stinky suggested the food saver. That's a definate buy. I like to take a day when my husband works from 9am to 9 pm and cook a big batch of various meals to freeze but, using tupperware or regular zip lock bags do not prevent freezer burn, etc.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 05:27 PM
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93. Just saw your post!
Yes, I'm a little behind my C&B reading. Just so happens that today I bought a bag of lentals. You're recipe sounds delish and the best part is I have all the ingrediants. So guess what I'll be making tomorrow ;)

Thanks! :fistbump:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 02:23 PM
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 07:09 PM
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74. I'm a Vegan! Alll Las Vegas is a great food town!!
Especially STEAKS!
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 08:47 AM
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83. Troublemaker :)))) n/t
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 08:11 PM
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91. sorry - couldn't help myself!
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 06:10 PM
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88. Vegas has the best vegan donuts in the country.
Really.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 08:13 PM
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92. I miss donuts - I have them sparingly now...
gotta reduce my sugars intake - adult onset control not going really great...

on the other hand, my cholesterol is back to a good level!
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 08:06 PM
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89. Opps - double post...
Edited on Sun Jul-26-09 08:10 PM by TankLV
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