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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 04:53 PM
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Describe what you understand Fractal Time to be for humans?
A new unity of awareness? All the waves or ripples of time as we know it finally coming together? All the vibrating frequencies of our other selves in different dimensions joining together? This is such a great and fascinating subject that I have read a lot about. Love to hear your input!
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 05:14 PM
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1. History repeating itself
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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 07:41 PM
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2. If you've got any links, please post them
because the only thing coming to mind is that it's just another way of describing "simultaneous time". I really don't know what fractal time means or in what context it's used...
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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 07:56 PM
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4. I wonder.....
Edited on Mon Jul-19-10 08:03 PM by Howler
Does simultaneous time also include past time ?
as in past lives?
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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 08:29 PM
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5. As I understand the definition of "simultaneous time"
it is all time at the same time. All moments of time existing in the same moment.

An analogy I developed to help me understand it was to think of time in the linear way we always do, that is, as a actual line, a straight line. Now, rotate that line on any point until the 'end' swings into your line of sight. Now, you're looking down all of time and can see it all at the same time. All moments are layered and all are visible. You choose which moment to focus on, relive or experience. If we knew how to truly experience simultaneous time, we would then know how to be "unstuck" in time ;)
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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 08:34 PM
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6. Hmmmmmmmmmm.
Because we would be able to visualize and comprehend?
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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 08:44 PM
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7. The "unstuck in time" bit is from Vonnegut's "Slaughterhouse 5"
but may still apply here. However, I don't get the idea that we are allowed to do that right now. Like we have this life to learn things, and what could we learn about this life by knowing everything that came before?

However, it has to be more than just seeing the moments of time, but also experiencing them. The one thing like it that comes to mind is how accessing the Akashic records is supposed to work. That is, you don't simply access another life and see it or learn knowledge, you experience that life as it was.

So, that leads me to ask, is simultaneous time just your own lifetimes or is it really all of time, from the beginning of the universe to now?
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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 08:56 PM
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8. Hmmmmmmmm
Edited on Mon Jul-19-10 08:58 PM by Howler
Couldn't it mean both? it's all part of the hologram....???? So we would access it all?........hmmmmmmmmmmm
WOW!!!!! Thats alot of responsibility.
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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 09:39 PM
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9. If it's both, then it's all of time as I would hope that your lifetime
is included :P

Unless you've learned how to disappear from time and the physical universe...
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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 07:20 AM
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11. Disappear like the Toltecs?
Edited on Tue Jul-20-10 07:32 AM by Howler
Or even these rapture folks?
Thats very Carlos Castaneda (spelling)!
I don't know thats really hard to get my mind around.
But very VERY intriguing. LOL!
The one thing that strikes me though is its alot of hard work healing wounds from one life time.
If you are an old soul imagine healing wounds from several at once. LOL!!!!

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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 06:16 PM
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25. Actually simaltaneous time makes that easier!
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 04:16 PM
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15. Yeah, time in a spiral stairway
What a trip!
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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 07:52 PM
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3. Wow!!!!! kismet!!!!
I was thinking last night I wish someone would explain Fractal time more fully so I could better understand the concept.

What little I do know which is next to nothing My understanding is "All the vibrating frequencies of ourselves in different times and dimensions joining together" forming a more complete and detailed piece of the hologram.

I'm all ears,eyes Kimmerspixelated!
If youre game to explain it to me I'm game to soak it up and learn.

PLEASE Someone who knows what they are talking about answer her!!!!!
I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW ABOUT FRACTAL TIME!:bounce:
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 04:15 PM
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14. I like that description!
Are Holograms really everywhere, but we can't really see them with our limited abilities at this juncture?

I know! Truly, if I had a migraine right now-I certainly wouldn't be contemplating such a brain exercise
routine!
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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:03 PM
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16. Every time you look in the mirror you are seeing a hologram.
Edited on Tue Jul-20-10 08:20 PM by Howler
at least thats my understanding every time you open your eyes you are looking at an infinite universal hologram.


Here is a piece of an article i will post in its entirety below


John Wheeler, recognizing the new physics, wrote, "May the universe in some strange sense be 'brought into being' by the participation of those who participate?"(25)
Although Newtonian physics is still applicable to the large scale world, it does not work in the subatomic realm.(26) Some quantum physicists state that there are no basic building blocks of matter, rather that the universe is an inseparable whole; a vast web of interacting, interweaving probabilities.(27) Bell's theorem(28) supports the concept that subatomic 'particles' are connected in a way that transcends time and space.(29) On this theorem, Gary Zukav(30) wrote, "All parts of the universe are connected in a way previously claimed only by mystics and other scientifically objectionable people."(31)
David Bohm,(32) has proposed that the universe behaves like a hologram:(33) a matrix of circulating, electromagnetic waves, caused by the constant vibrating matter. Even human flesh and bones disappear when highly magnified and what remains is an electromagnetic field that changes with the course of time. Further, the physical human form is continuously affected by the electrical universe as a whole. Hence, each individual is not simply a collection of organs and parts, but a cosmological system, interacting with the universe at large.(34)
Thought and ideas are also vibrating, similarly to matter, but at a higher rate.(35) It has been suggested that humans can become aware of this high frequency reality, akin to Plato's world of forms, and read out the thought waves of the universe in states of increased awareness.(36) In these states, body and brain cells are interacting with other electromagnetic fields, circulating in the universe. Accordingly, this has prompted a new psychology of being that recognises the interface of the self as a pulsating wave with other thought waves in the universe.
"Physics has become a branch of psychology, or per-haps the other way round."(37)



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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:13 PM
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17. sorry I couldnt get the link to work so had to copy.
As above, so below:
Modern Cosmology as Psychological Metaphor



"An archetypal content expresses itself, first and foremost, in metaphors."
Carl Jung

In the days before the Copernican Revolution, it was believed that the earth was the fixed centre of the universe. At a still earlier time in India, this geocentric position was given to people. Each person, psychologically speaking, was recognized as being the centre of the universe. Although this sounds egotistical, it was not, since every person was recognized in this way.(1)
Since the Copernican Revolution, science has increasingly alienated mankind from the cosmos.(2) Appreciating modern cosmology as a metaphor for some of our most intimate psychological realities can contribute to a reversal of this trend.(3) The only enquiry more archetypal and mythological than asking how the universe began, how it evolves and what is its final state, is asking the same questions about ourselves.(4)
In the sixth century BC, the ancient Greeks, believed that the individual and the entire cosmos were governed by the same principles of central order and harmonic relation. Plato postulated that if man went through life without engaging in the world around him, he would have little sense of life, for the universe could only be understood by participation in its dynamic laws.(5) Two thousand years later, science has uncovered a more sophisticated cos-mology to describe humanity's interaction with the matter and 'mind stuff' of the universe.(6)
In the big bang model, the universe is a continuous expansion of curved four dimensional space-time,(7) with nothing existing outside of, or before it; it is all there is. Depth psychology(8) likens it to the archetypal uroborus, the mythological self-contained dragon, eating its own tail.(9) In the same way, according to depth psychology, nothing exists outside the mind. With no outside to focus on, psychologists and astronomers alike have been forced to turn their attention to the inside.
The Copernican transition from geocentric to heliocentric astronomy required its initiators to think in new and disturbing ways that violated their basic sense perceptions. But modern cosmology, with its invisible matter, universal Hubble expansion and boundless, curved space- time has a more abstract impact on mankind's psyche, requiring an unprecedented effort at revisioning.(10)
In the latter half of the twentieth century, astronomy has developed the big bang model for the birth, evolution and death of the universe. This modern cosmology rests solidly on the interplay between Einstein's theory of relativity and the observations from modern telescopes.(11) However, like all earlier cosmologies, this modern theory has archetypal and mythological dimensions.
According to standard big bang cosmology, the universe began about fifteen billion years ago in an imaginably hot, dense fireball of elemental particles and then exploded, cooling and forming the galaxies that still recede from each other today.(12)
Early in the twentieth century, it was discovered that the average mass density of the universe (mass per volume) was the critical factor determining the ultimate fate of the universe. If the average density is smaller than a defined critical value,(13) then the universe will expand forever. All galaxies will endlessly recede from one another, eventually cooling into the dead cinders remaining from stellar evolution. Conversely, if the density is greater than the critical value, at a certain time, the recession will cease and reverse. The galaxies will then fall back together at ever increasing velocities into a cosmic inferno.(14)
In the last few decades it has become a firmly established scientific belief that the visible universe - everything seen by employing the entire electromagnetic spectrum, from radio wavelengths to gamma rays - represents less than one tenth of the total mass of the entire universe.(15) The spiral galaxy, for example, is overwhelmingly composed of non radiating matter. The visible universe, of consuming interest to mankind, since Neanderthal man gazed skyward, is like the tip of an iceberg. In the visible universe, there are about ten billion galaxies(16) and in each of these galaxies, there are typically one hundred billion stars.(17) Yet all these galaxies, stars and gas clouds, visible in any part of the electromagnetic spectrum, comprise only from one hundredth to one tenth of the universe.(18)
The gravitational effects on the matter that is visible, such as the motions and clusters of galaxies, was used to determine the presence of the unseen preponderant of the universe. Since the great invisible bulk of the universe largely determines the average density, the invisible matter mostly decides the ultimate fate of the universe.(19)
This modern cosmology provides a strikingly apt meta-phor for the relationship between the conscious and the unconscious aspect of the human psyche.(20) The realm of the conscious,(21) the arena of images, known content, feelings, thoughts and desires, comprises only a fraction of the total psyche. Like the luminous galaxies in the universe, it is enfolded in a much larger, invisible component - the unconscious. Just as invisible matter dominates the universe's physical evolution, the intangible unconscious dominates psychological evolution. Yet, consciousness plays a critical role, since the unconscious is often reacting to it. Although visible ego consciousness has occupied much of recent psychological thought, depth psychology has postulated that the dark, invisible aspect of the psyche - the unconscious - displays a profound wisdom in directing human psychological evolution.
Just as astronomers infer the presence of the invisible matter through the detailed study of the visible matter, depth psychologists infer the presence of the unconscious by carefully scrutinizing its effects upon consciousness. In cosmology, gravitational interaction governs the interaction between visible and invisible matter, while in depth psychology, the interplay between consciousness and the unconscious is governed by unconscious compensation.(22)
Through a series of specific compensations, the unconscious guides the individual along a certain, unique tra-jectory. Through the symbolic understanding of dreams, fantasies and emotional responses, this dynamic process can be observed. In this way, the immense unconscious, whose presence can only be discovered through inference guides psychological evolution in the same manner that the invisible matter in the universe decides its ultimate evolution. However, unlike the universe, that according to general relativity, only has two possible end points, the unconscious guides each individual to a unique expression of wholeness and their particular identity.
The personal realization that an impersonal intelligence, superior to the ego and personal will, guides human development through unconscious compensation, is the psychological equivalent of the Copernican Revolution. It is a major psychological shift to appreciate that the unseen, non localized, immaterial presence is the director of life, as opposed to the overly valued conscious and localized ego.
Shortly after Einstein's 1916 development of general relativity, astronomers discovered that the stars first seen through Galileo's telescope were only in this galaxy, merely one undistinguished member among billions in the universe. Edwin Hubble then discovered that distant galaxies recede from the point of observation, with velocities proportional to their distance from this point. It seemed that astronomers had overthrown the geocentric view, only to find themselves at the centre of cosmic expansion.
A two dimensional analog to this four dimensional space-time, modern cosmological situation can illustrate their initial dilemma. If a balloon with pennies (representing observers) glued to its surface, is blown up, from the vantage point of a penny, all other pennies move away from it with a Hubble expansion. Each penny sees the others receding from it with a velocity that increases with the two dimensional distance between the pennies. Similarly, each cosmic observer would see the same Hubble expansion regardless of the vantage point in the universe. Thus, modern cosmology removes all privilege, all uniqueness. It has truly completed the Copernican Revo-lution.
The psychological experience of ego's centrality finds a reflection in every cosmic observer seeing themselves as the centre of a Hubble expansion. Individuals each experience themselves as the centre of their psychological drama, relating to the experience of ego, the centre of empirical consciousness. In truth, each is only one of an infinite number of equivalent focal points for an imaginatively larger motion. emphasis on man's interaction with the substance of the universe.(24)
John Wheeler, recognizing the new physics, wrote, "May the universe in some strange sense be 'brought into being' by the participation of those who participate?"(25)
Although Newtonian physics is still applicable to the large scale world, it does not work in the subatomic realm.(26) Some quantum physicists state that there are no basic building blocks of matter, rather that the universe is an inseparable whole; a vast web of interacting, interweaving probabilities.(27) Bell's theorem(28) supports the concept that subatomic 'particles' are connected in a way that transcends time and space.(29) On this theorem, Gary Zukav(30) wrote, "All parts of the universe are connected in a way previously claimed only by mystics and other scientifically objectionable people."(31)
David Bohm,(32) has proposed that the universe behaves like a hologram:(33) a matrix of circulating, electromagnetic waves, caused by the constant vibrating matter. Even human flesh and bones disappear when highly magnified and what remains is an electromagnetic field that changes with the course of time. Further, the physical human form is continuously affected by the electrical universe as a whole. Hence, each individual is not simply a collection of organs and parts, but a cosmological system, interacting with the universe at large.(34)
Thought and ideas are also vibrating, similarly to matter, but at a higher rate.(35) It has been suggested that humans can become aware of this high frequency reality, akin to Plato's world of forms, and read out the thought waves of the universe in states of increased awareness.(36) In these states, body and brain cells are interacting with other electromagnetic fields, circulating in the universe. Accordingly, this has prompted a new psychology of being that recognises the interface of the self as a pulsating wave with other thought waves in the universe.
"Physics has become a branch of psychology, or per-haps the other way round."(37)
With the recognition of the inner psychological motions that condition and distort human experience, the historical Copernican Revolution can be appreciated psychologically, as individual awareness of existing as the centre of experience, being projected onto geocentric cosmology.
The implications of this cosmological perspective, divorcing man from his relationship with the cosmos, has been tempered by the relatively recent discoveries of quantum mechanics,(23) that promises to reinstate Plato's
The marriage of depth psychology and physics as pioneered by Carl Jung, may prompt the physics that produced fission and fusion bombs to reveal new cosmological and cognitive views that will assist humanity in rediscovering itself. Relativity and quantum mechanics, each in their own way, reveal an entirely different cosmology than the one previously presented to the world by science. Non locality(38) or non separability in a participating quantum universe has awed those addressing the philosophic foundations of quantum theory. This recent work reveals a radically interconnected, interdependent world, one so essentially connected at a deep level that the interconnectedness is more fundamental and real than the independent existence of the parts of the quantum system. The psychological implications of assimilating the meaning of non locality in quantum physics, translates to an understanding of the interconnections between people, races and countries as being more real than the independent existence of egos, religions and nations. Barbara Brennan postulates that this concept will dramatically affect communication in the years to come.(39) Given the current world reality, such a revolutionary outlook seems extreme. However, history teaches that any fundamental shift in the collective psyche, whether the Copernican Revolution that Galileo championed at his own peril, or a new understanding of humanity's place in a non localised universe takes time to be fully understood in psychology and physics, and felt in wider circles.(40) A consensus grows that the near future will see new theories exploding onto the scene, incorporating the older theories and revealing a much larger view of our universe and consequently of ourselves.(41)
The veil has been lifted from the ancient references to the relationship of humanity's harmonic movement with the motion of the spheres. Humanity is being swept out of the mechanistic Newtonian universe and once again enfolded in the ancient Greeks' organic cosmos where all matter is alive and vibrating in a rhythmic cosmic dance.


"The motions that are naturally akin to the divine within us are the thoughts and revolutions of the universe. These each man should follow.(42)

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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 06:36 PM
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26. This topic.........
is SOoooooooooo Saturn in Libra. along with the T square & recent eclipses URANUS on th aries pt etc.
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 04:51 PM
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20. Yes, Absolutely!
All of life is based on energy fields, and this basic scientific fact should make the medical community ready to encourage and embrace energy medicine to fix any illness problems, but nOOOOO!
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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 07:23 PM
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21. I agree.
Edited on Wed Jul-21-10 07:26 PM by Howler
But you have to remember it was doctors that burned the midwives at the stake for being witch's because of the competition.
Besides I think most Doctors are to busy playing "God" to work with the actual energy of "god". sigh.

Also when you work with energy you realize that EVERYTHING on the planet is pure consciousness and that is just too much responsibility for some folks.
They have so much invested in "dominion" words like guardianship,stewardship,healing,etc just gets in the way of their egos baser needs.

BUT....BUT BUT!!!!! What happened to fractal time?????? :hi:
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 05:21 PM
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23. Haha!
It slipped into the future???? Oops, gotta go do KP duty!
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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 05:28 PM
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24. hAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!1 n/t!!!!!
n/t
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 10:20 PM
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10. Have you read Fractal Time by Gregg Bradden?
It's fascinating, talking about how certain major events happen in increments of time, where once we understand the mathematics of it, we can learn to take advantage of the opportunity that presents itself to make it better or worse than the last time it presented itself. He points out that all the increments from many different examples all are currently set to fall on 12/21/12.

He also talks about how right now, we only know time flowing in one direction, but he speculates whether time might be able to go in reverse once the shift has occurred. He uses the example of the Hindu belief that time flows one direction as an inhale and then will flow the other direction as an exhale. Then he started talking about time flowing inter-dimensionally and my head started hurting trying to tie it so broadly around all these new concepts. Don't know how it'll work, but wouldn't it be great to watch our bodies grow younger and stronger? :wow:

I would highly recommend his book if you're intrigued with fractal time.
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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 07:31 AM
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12. Thanks Proud Lefty.
I read some small synapses of Braddon when I googled Fractal time last night.
I think I will get the book.
But thats still no guarantee that I'll grok fractal time. LOL!!!
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 10:24 PM
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19. Read up on chaos theory first
It will give you the background you will need to understand the fractalization of time.
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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 07:31 PM
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22. Cool! I happen to have a
Chaos theory for dummies book I hadn't got around to reading yet.
Thanks for the heads up Conscious Evolution.
it looks like the time has come. :)
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 04:12 PM
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13. Yes, on my book list, for sure.
I knew about his book, and I just assumed I was the only one that hadn't read it on this forum!

I like how you explained it, and it DOES seem like a lot of difficult and deep thinking in such heat.. these days!

Anywho, I love it-the subject just blows me away!
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 09:50 PM
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18. Yes, the brain has to work hard to comprehend
But it's a great subject to explore. Thanks for posting.
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