very quick NH Primary astro-peek

[ccpup]

My predictions for 1, 2 and 3 are Obama, Clinton and Edwards.


Obama has Tr. Venus trine his Sun tomorrow indicating his good spirits and Tr. Mercury and SP Moon conjunct his Jupiter indicating the current expansion of his communication -- and those willing to pack the houses and believe in his Jupiter-like message -- as well as the buoyancy in his speaking style. On the 15th, Tr. Mars will retrograde back to both sextile his Uranus (conjunct the N.Node at 25 and 27 Leo respectively) and inconjunct his Natal Saturn. The sextile to the Uranus indicates a continued support for the working toward his goals, but the inconjunct would bring an aura of tension into the mix. And perhaps a "isn't this position mine yet? haven't I earned it yet?" frustration. His SP Moon -- still obviously on his SP Jupiter until the 23rd -- will then begin it's journey opp his Natal Mercury, so, with the opposition in effect, the message that's worked so well may need some retooling. And with the inconjunct with Tr. Mars to his Saturn and Tr. Saturn barreling back to meet his Pluto two weeks later, there may be some time where he appears to lose his step. And the Tr. Mars station is within a 1 degree orb of being in opposition to his SA Neptune, indicating a continued magnetic appeal but also adding to the frustration of making his dream a reality already in the mix with his other transits, etc.

Clinton has Tr. Venus moving to semi-sextile her Neptune (keeping the dream alive) and then trine her powerful Pluto/Saturn conjunction in a few days indicating a fighting spirit easily (with the trine aspect) supported and, also because of the trine, perhaps successful. Tr. Mercury is also square her Sun tomorrow -- communicating her message with little control (the square) over the circumstances she finds herself in -- and then trine her MC the day after (apparently back on message). And I suspect the margin separating Obama from Hillary won't be as great as it was in Iowa as, at the time of the Iowa caucus, her SP Moon was in a very tight square with her MC. Now, although still in the square, that SP Moon has moved away, releasing some of that emotional frustration. It's next meeting is a square in early February with both SP Mars and Tr. Saturn, two planets she historically works well with.

Edwards has Tr. Moon conjunct Chiron today with Tr. Sun conjunct it the day after tomorrow. Interestingly, Tr. Saturn will retrograde back to a square with his Jupiter/Moon conjunction on the same day (January 15th) Tr. Venus opp his Sun so whatever wave he's been riding may be nipped in the bud this month. Tr. Mercury will square his Venus on the 10th before being trine his Jupiter/Moon conjunction the following two days.

Very, very quick snapshot of how it looks presently for the "top three". And it's only a snapshot as the picture begins to change dramatically late in the month and into early- to mid-February and through the Spring and Summer.

Thanks for reading.

[Why Syzygy]

1. worse than an astrology novice here >>>

:blush: I know I'm not the only one wondering .. what is "SP" and "Tr"?

[ccpup]

2. I apologize

SP is Secondary Progressed and Tr. is transiting. The Secondary Progressed are more the Big Life Themes and the transits are more of a day-by-day, month-by-month "what" is happening (planets making aspects to Natal planets) and "where" (houses and angles) it's happening.

I tend to give more weight to the action and activity the big planets are making than to the more personal Mercury, Venus and the very quick Tr. Moon, although those three can give an idea of the flavor of a particular day.

[stellanoir]

3. Our intrepid, on the street, ever present, astro reporter is totally on his game.

Praise him, praise him, praise him.

:grouphug:

thanks pal.

I can't even look at this stuff for some strange reason.

[ccpup]

4. actually less on his game

and more figuring out how to tie his shoes, wondering if he has to go tinkle again and if the shoulder pads go on this way or ... this way.

At least I can offer info and let the real pros figure out what it all means. :evilgrin:

[crikkett]

5. Could you do Kucinich, please?

Thanks for the post!

[mother earth]

6. Even Bill Clinton didn't win Iowa or NH...let's keep this all in

perspective and realize this is a three-way race & full of variables.
Even the stars only indicate possibilities...it ain't over til it's over.

What's the outlook for January 2009?

How objective do you truly feel you are, ccpup? Inquiring minds and all....;)

[ccpup]

10. I only focused on the next week or so

-- or maybe a month out -- and it was only a snapshot, so to speak. And, as I'm offering astrological information, I try my best to stick to the planets involved and the aspects they're involved and how they ordinarily act in a chart.

For instance, a trine is considered easy and supportive of one's efforts, an inconjunct usually brings tension and a sense of needing to recalibrate somehow and a square is action in the face of something you can't blame anyone for. Saturn is who he is, Uranus is who he is, Venus is who she is and Pluto is going to fundamentally change something no matter what.

If I stick to that, all should be well.

[ccpup]

12. I spoke of the outlook for Inauguaration Day 2009

earlier but I'll recap for you.

For Obama, he has Tr. Pluto semi-sextile Jupiter, inconjunct by one degree his Natal Moon, inconjunct his Natal Mercury and in opposition to his Natal Venus. Furthermore, this Tr. Pluto is also inconjunct his SP Ascendant (at the time conjunct his Natal Moon). With his SP Sun at 28 Virgo at the time, Tr. Pluto won't make any more direct aspects to it for the foreseeable -- after January 2009 -- future. The only SA Jupiter activity I could find is a trine one degree out, but, as it's not a "hard aspect" (conjunction, square or opposition), it's not considered relevant in SA Theory.

Hillary has Tr. Pluto sextile her Sun, semi-sextile her Jupiter (like Obama) and semi-sextile SP Venus by one degree. Her SP Sun is trine her Ascendant, Tr. Saturn is sextile her Mercury/Asc conjunction and SP Jupiter is trine her Pluto/Mars conjunction and conjunct her SA Venus. This SP Jupiter is also tightly = her Natal Sun at this time.

In taking a look this time, I used very tight one degree orbs and did my best to use aspects that were waxing and not waning, focused specifically on Inauguration Day, considered the same planets for each candidate and offered information without opinion. The reader -- those familiar with astrology -- can judge for themselves how each aspect might manifest for each candidate.

I'm certain there were things I missed, but I did a cursory look focusing on certain heavy planets which carry life themes of monumental importance, fitting for such a powerful day like Inauguration Day.

For those wanting a look at Edwards, I'll try and do that later. But I'm beat right now! :evilgrin:

[mother earth]

7. OK, ccpup. I still feel your own hopes are being colored by

your interpretations. But, I feel that way partly because of my own, lol. So, for what it's worth and in the spirit of offering another interpretation, since no one else is offering up much in that way, I found this, Marjorie Orr. Who has more to offer at her site, but does not see a win for HRC.

http://www.thedaze.co.uk/coment.html

BARACK OBAMA: A chatty, confident, flamboyant Leo he's a visionary and a dreamer, but vague, not realistic with Neptune on the point of a fixed T square to the Sun and Jupiter. Mars in Virgo makes him a hard worker, trine Saturn in Capricorn gives him stamina. His chart shows early promise in 2008 with Jupiter trine his Pluto in mid January. But then Saturn conjuncts Pluto which is usually stuck late Jan to mid Feb. Late February into mid March he's again on a lucky streak. But the problems then begin to mount from mid March to late April as Neptune squares Mars/Saturn which will find him sagging badly. He'll rally late April into May as Jupiter trines his Mars. Neptune then proceeds to square Sun/Pluto till late June. Uranus also opposes his Mars May 17th to August 7th which will rattle his confidence. But there again he does have fairly upbeat influences on the inauguration day so he could be on the platform.

JOHN EDWARDS: He is a dynamic, lucky Gemini (Sun, Jupiter, Mars) with a sense of vision (Saturn Neptune in Libra) and a powerfully persuasive, though understated way about him (Pluto on point of a mini grand trine of Sun Mars to Saturn Neptune). He's battling Saturn square to his Jupiter - dampening his enthusiasm and confidence from Jan 14 to 30. Then Neptune trine his Saturn from mid Jan for a few weeks which is usually worrying. Then Uranus square his Sun mid to end of March, and Oct to early Nov, Dec to Jan 20 09 - this can mean a sudden change of fortune but it's never possible to know which way the roller coaster will ride. He will sag towards the end of Jan as Neptune opposes his Pluto till mid Feb. And mid March to late April looking to be a time of slump, with worse to follow late April to late June. Saturn is on the square to his Sun across the election which is normally a time of cutbacks and setbacks though can also be exceptionally hard work. He does have one useful and confidence boosting progression through this year which will help him over a few hurdles. If his birth time of 7.02 am is accurate then he also has one really good career aspect this year in February and again over the inauguration.

[mother earth]

8. Is this similar to what you found, ccpup? Stated in another way?

It just sounds better to me for some reason--more hopeful for John & now I'm wondering, might this be a joint effort, a shared ticket perhaps?

[Rock_Garden]

9. I love it when you do this.

It's always so much fun to read.

[Cleita]

11. I agree with your assessment.

However, could you take a peak at super Tuesday, February 5th? I think the candidates will change position with Edwards and Obama at a tie and Hillary a loser maybe not even third. I see Richardson doing at lot better then. But this is a hard one. There are so many conflicting energies here.

[ccpup]

13. I've looked at Super Tuesday before

Tr. Saturn is conjunct Obama's Pluto -- the last time they met, Obama was in the midst of his Donny McClurkin dust-up as well as a ho-hum debate performance --, moving toward an opposition with his Chiron and a conjunction with his Natal Part of Fortune. Tr. Mars, I think, having met his Natal Saturn by inconjunct in mid-January, is now stationed inconjunct it by one degree and then meets it again in mid-February when it's turned Direct. Furthermore, his SP Moon is opp his Natal Mercury from mid-January to mid-February. He also has Tr. Uranus trine his Asc with a one degree orb with Tr. Venus sextile it as well. Tr. Neptune is one degree from inconjunct his Natal Mars.

Hillary has that Tr. Mars stationed conjunct her Uranus by one degree having met it initially in mid-January and then meeting it again in mid-February when it turns direct. (Hillary's Uranus is evidently inconjunct Obama's Saturn, so they're both having Mars stations and transits to important planets at the same time but experiencing the transit in different ways) She also has Tr. Uranus exactly trine her Natal Venus as well as Tr. Venus sextile it. And Neptune is finishing a waning square to her Ascendant. Tr. Pluto is semi-sextile her Natal Jupiter and her SP Venus.

For Edwards, Tr. Mars is square his MC by one degree and stationed conjunct (by 3 degrees) his Natal Mars, meeting it again in late February. Tr. Saturn is square his Jupiter/Moon conjunction by one degree and Tr. Uranus is trine his Natal Uranus. His SP Moon is -- on February 5th -- beginning it's conjunction to his Natal Jupiter, an aspect Obama's enjoying for much of this month (until the 23rd or something). Transiting Neptune is trine his Saturn/Neptune conjunction and Tr. Venus is one degree from opp his Natal Uranus. I didn't see Tr. Pluto making any aspects to his chart at that time.

Okay, NOW I'm done. :evilgrin:

[mother earth]

14. Sweet Jesus, will somebody please translate? I'm not an

astrologist, not even close, I don't know WHAT you are saying.

[ccpup]

15. I didn't translate because

I didn't want to be accused of being biased. But, if you like, I'll take some time a little later, copy and paste the relevant parts and offer my opinion of the astrological energies at play.

Quick primer: inconjuncts and squares indicate tension and frustration (most of the time ... and conjunctions sometimes, too); sextiles and trines tend to give the native an easier time, supporting the attainment of one's goals.

[mother earth]

16. Would be much appreciated, ccpup. Please, I'm not trying to

criticize or kill the messenger. I just have a hard time understanding astrological aspects and all, give me the verbal translation & I may or may not argue with you, but make no mistake, I'm grateful for the topic. My hopes are just set, is all. ;)

[ccpup]

17. here's Obama for you:

"Tr. Saturn is conjunct Obama's Pluto -- the last time they met, Obama was in the midst of his Donny McClurkin dust-up as well as a ho-hum debate performance --, moving toward an opposition with his Chiron and a conjunction with his Natal Part of Fortune. Tr. Mars, I think, having met his Natal Saturn by inconjunct in mid-January, is now stationed inconjunct it by one degree and then meets it again in mid-February when it's turned Direct. Furthermore, his SP Moon is opp his Natal Mercury from mid-January to mid-February. He also has Tr. Uranus trine his Asc with a one degree orb with Tr. Venus sextile it as well. Tr. Neptune is one degree from inconjunct his Natal Mars."

Translation: Saturn meeting a planet tends to check the foundation and throw a bucket of cold water on any out-of-control expectations (his exuberant Natal Jupiter being hit by "oh man, I can FEEL it" SP Moon for instance). Saturn's job is to remind you you still got work to do. With Pluto in the mix as well as Chiron and the Part of Fortune, I would expect a HUGE (Pluto) reminder that all is not settled in the race and Obama will be disappointed/wounded (Chiron) by this. The Part of Fortune with Saturn can be either a focusing of energies into what he excels at or a reminder that he can't just coast on that. With Pluto and Chiron involved, I would guess the latter. Transiting Mars hitting his planet of Responsibility Saturn by inconjunct (150 degrees) indicates a tension or frustration with wanting that job NOW! He'll have the opportunity to recalibrate the aggression of Mars with the do-every-step and work like a dog planet of Responsibility Saturn. So, if he's been "coasting" on his electric speeches about change (very Uranus), this inconjunct -- coupled with the Tr. Saturn activity -- could rein him back and send him to the drawing board. With his SP Moon opp his planet of communication Mercury, I expect people to begin openly "opposing" his message, which works right in with the Uranus - Saturn inconjunct as well as the tension of the Tr. Saturn. The Uranus trine to his Asc continues to help him in his quest to change how the World sees him and the Tr. Neptune inconjunct his Natal Mars will be the tense, gentle, frustrating reminder that one can't charge ahead (Mars) just on the selling of dreams Neptune). The tension of that aspect also leads back to Mr. Do-Your-Work Saturn.

I'll do the others in a separate Post.

[mother earth]

18. Ok! Thank you, this is right on with what I am feeling. His strong

point is he can reach hearts and minds, he has an obvious gift for speech, much like the Kennedys could reach into your heart. He's def got the gift of being able to reach you heart, mind and soul, but I have been agreeing with HRC & Bill--where's the stances, he's been given a free pass because he's the media darling of the moment. He knows we need change, but he is yet to verbalize the HOW's of what he proposes, this is the downfall. This is what separates him from winning, IMHO. This is where Edwards is gifted, he knows the enemy & has refused lobbyist money and there's no selling out to the corporate interests. HRC may have a grand following and Bill at her side, but is it enough?

Thank you, ccpup. I needed laymen's terms, lol. :bounce:

[ccpup]

19. I suspect with the activity in late January

with that Saturn and his Chiron and Pluto, the SP Moon opp his Natal Mercury, etc., the Press might actually start asking those questions and he may either stumble -- or they can report a "stumble" -- or do something that makes him feel a little less buoyant and a little less inevitable.

[PinkTiger]

20. May I comment?

I sense that Edwards will drop out of the race after Super Tuesday; I think Richardson is getting ready to drop out right now as I'm writing this; in the end, it will be Clinton and Obama, and Clinton will roar past him eventually and have such momentum that at the convention he will endorse her with his delegates. And I feel they will be on the ticket together, in the end. An unbeatable team. I have seen this empathically, and I have mentioned it before on this board. Tonight I feel my vision was given credence.

[ccpup]

21. it could very well happen

because they both have aspects which indicate success on Inauguration Day. I disagree with your take on Edwards, though, as the same aspect Obama enjoyed going into Iowa (SP Moon conjunct Natal Jupiter) and will enjoy until the 23rd of this month, Edwards will be enjoying from mid-Feb to mid-March although his will be tempered by a square from retrograde Saturn. So the effect may not be AS wildly popular as Obama, but it doesn't look like he's upset or depressed. Because of the square he may not be moving forward, but I don't know that he'll drop out immediately after Super Tuesday.

[Cleita]

26. If it has to be Clinton or Obama, I'll take Clinton.

Obama is not ready to be President yet IMHO. He's a good talker but so was Reagan and I don't care for the people Obama is surrounding himself with who will be influential in his decision making if he becomes President. Maybe she'll offer him the VP. It will give him seasoning and experience. I'm not offering any intuit here but just insights.

I have felt all along that she would be the nominee no matter what setbacks or triumphs she suffered on the campaign trail. It's that the fix is in and the Washington insiders club has very deep roots. I think after super Tuesday, we will begin to see the decline of the importance of the early primary states in the future.

[Grateful for Hope]

30. I agree, Cleita n/t

[liberalnurse]

31. I agree 100%.

I sensed this yesterday.................The two make a whole....they complete one another. As a ticket together....the November Election will be called 1 hour after the polls close in California. 3-1 for the Democrats. A fail-safe landslide where there will be no doubt who one.

Hillary as Pres/Obama VP...................Big Dog will know his place and not interfere. He will be a beloved "Big Brother" type to Obama. Big Dog will show him many things, make international connections and season him for President.


You see.......it's so simple.........they both win! Both are sworn in! :woohoo:

[BlueIris]

22. Yeah, but I just don't get that she'll be "it."

At all.

Don't flame, we're all entitled to our own psychic "hits." I don't get any from her. I feel a fading away, actually.

And she still looks terrible. Grey. Ashen would be the word. Can't be a good thing.

[mother earth]

23. Marjorie Orr's website says the same thing from an astrological

viewpoint. That she won't be in the limelight any more and she based it on not only Hillary's chart, but Bill & Chelsea's too.

[ccpup]

24. odd that she'd bring up Chelsea's chart

because on Inauguration Day -- actually becoming exact during the Inauguration Ceremony --, Chelsea's SP MC (Secondary Progressed Midheaven) will be conjunct her Natal Saturn, a clear indicator of her family returning to power.

[mother earth]

25. I wouldn't know, ccpup, but that's what I recall reading. She seems

to think they are out of the fish bowl, and actually enjoying being out of the limelight. She does say at her site that the wrong birth time is significant, so seems to me that everyone's interpretations are up for grabs unless they are certain about times.

[PinkTiger]

27. Actually, I thought she looks good today and yesterday.

I think John Edwards looks rather beaten down,though.

[ccpup]

28. I was wrong

called it for Obama over Hillary by a small margin and got Hillary over Obama by a small margin instead. Whatever the result would be, though, Hillary's chart -- with those sextiles and trines -- didn't look like the chart of someone who was upset or "politically dead" or anything.

What hadn't occurred to me -- and something I should have thought of -- was the effect that SP (Secondary Progressed) Moon traveling over Obama's Natal Jupiter might have. Jupiter sometimes gets so carried away with his excitement that he forgets to actually, you know, do the work he needs to do. And so the SP Moon and Jupiter (ESPECIALLY with a conjunction where two planets kind of fuse and take on each other's characteristics, to some extent) might not have -- with the Polls surging and the overflow crowds -- crossed their get-out-the-vote "t"s and dotted their don't-take-anything-for-granted-in-politics "i"s. Mr. "do your work or no prize" Saturn currently approaching his Pluto, Part of Fortune and Chiron (and later SP Moon) certainly makes more sense now.

With Jupiter having made it's trine to her MC in Hillary's chart, he's now on his way to trine that Tr. Saturn around the NV Caucus. With her SP Moon in a waning square by one degree from her MC, I anticipate things to be slightly easier for her emotionally now. And I just noticed her SP Jupiter is in a waxing trine to her SP Pluto (Jupiter at 14Sag00 and Pluto at 14Leo36) moving to the degree the day before Inauguration 2009. Plus -- the day before NV -- her Tr. Venus meets her Natal Uranus. Any thoughts on how that might manifest?

And what can one say about Edwards? The Tr. Moon hitting Chiron followed by the Sun a day later speaks volumes about his disappointment and sense of loss. He still has the SP Moon moving to meet his Jupiter (like Obama has now), but it may be tempered by that damn Tr. Saturn retrograding back to a square with that same Jupiter/Moon conjunction. Any lift he may have in spirits might have to contend with the harsh glare of reality Saturn usually brings.

[Sanity Claws]

29. Vedic view of election

Here's a link to a vedic astrology site that analyzes McCain, Obama, Edwards, Gore, and Clinton in terms of the presidency. It comes to the conclusion that Hillary Clinton wins. http://www.councilvedicastrology.org/featured_article_0107.htm
I report -- You decide, that is if you can understand what the hay the author is talking about.