New Message from Matthew

[mysticalchick]

I am such a dork, I count the days until a new one shows up and it's posted today. (http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=84&z=2)

Anyone want to discuss?

(Just a snippet - go read it all)

2. The eyes and ears of the world are aimed at the nominating primaries in the United States, and it is a grand circus that these are providing. Although Hillary Clinton is the Illuminati’s choice as the next US president—with good reason, as she is one of the most influential in that global group—they also have their reasons for rigging the voting process so that various candidates in each party come out on top in one state or another. As long as these “leading” ones remain hopeful of getting their party’s nomination, they will stick to Illuminati-approved topics and avoid critical issues. This keeps the real state of the union under wraps in their speeches along with keeping voters uncertain about whom to believe, whom to trust with presidential power in what is relentlessly publicized as an Al Queda-terrorized world. And how much more obvious can it be that the only candidates who are not under the thumb of the Illuminati are all but excluded from media attention? Take heart in knowing that not only will the light disclose the truth about the candidates prior to the November election, but efforts are underway to have an accurate vote count then. Parallel to the Illuminati’s nefarious efforts to put still another of their own in the White House, in a collaborative effort between Earth humankind and benevolent extraterrestrial family, there is a strong movement afoot to derail that dark plan. Eventually all leaders of all nations will be honest, wise and capable souls.

[Quakerfriend]

1. Thx for posting this!

:hi:

It gives me hope.

Funny, I have, for the past several months, felt overwhelmed by the amount of noise around me- the constant buzzing of computers, bells constantly going off in the hospital where I work, the toaster bell, the coffee machine etc. The absolute worst is in the mall. When I take my kids shopping to buy anything the teen stores play extremely loud music. My 14-yr-old even commented that he could'nt hear himself think! I just can't stand it!

OK, rant over.

I have decided to carry ear plugs with me. I pop them in whenever I want to tune it all out.

...Hard to imagine that others don't notice or feel bothered by this. Not to mention that it can't be good for us.;)

[mysticalchick]

4. I have noise sensitivity too!

and lots of it has to do with my being highly clairaudient so my ears pick up stuff others might not. Going to my brother-in-law's house where the big screen HD TV is blaring, dogs are barking and his fire station short wave radio is squawking is almost painful to my bitty ears.

I also work to close down my aura when I go into malls or other places like that because otherwise I'd be sucking in everyone's stuff and that's, like, no fun! :)

Silence is restorative to me. When I'm home alone (just me and the cats), I am mostly in silence. (No surprise to learn I'm a big introvert, eh?)

[Quakerfriend]

6. He he! Silence is restorative to me as well.

:eyes:

And, btw, a great big welcome to DU to you!! O8)

[Metta]

2. Good news, thanks.

Can't come too soon but must best come at its own time.

[I Have A Dream]

3. Oh, we *love* Matthew here, so we'll definitely want to discuss this!

:)

Thanks for posting it, mysticalchick!

[mysticalchick]

5. COOL!

I'd love to discuss the Illuminati concept since that's been in Matthew's messages pretty much from the get-go. I loves me some conspiracy theories and I know that is well into that realm but there are things I just "know" are true and that's one of them for me.

(Although even I had trouble getting my head around the idea that GWB (the one we see now) is a clone but it makes some sense when you go back and look at him pre-TX governorship and now. Like night and day. If a spaceship landed, and an ET came out and said "Come home, George" and I watched him walk onto that spaceship myself, I'd be like "yep. Thought so" and go back to what I was doing.)

:tinfoilhat:

ETA link to the Matthew Message to which I am referring: http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=18&z=2

S: Matthew, excuse me, but it is true that Bush is a clone? And if it is, why hasn’t a new clone replaced this one that seems to have become really irrational?

4. MATTHEW: Yes, the President Bush seen publicly is a clone. It was only when he became governor of Texas that it occurred to the powers that be to have him cloned. By that time, alcohol had seriously compromised his physical and mental status, so the first clone could only be a poor specimen. Because the art and science of human—or even animal—cloning is far from perfected on Earth, there is deterioration with each successive clone, so a replacement cannot be in much better condition than the predecessor. And since the brain’s storage unit cannot be downloaded into a physically-ready clone until a new one is required, because all knowledge to that date must be included, by now there is little chance that Bush’s mental condition will improve.

S: Does the clone have a soul?

5. MATTHEW: No.

S: Maybe that’s causing or at least adding to his behavior?

6. MATTHEW: It may be contributing to his stated belief that he has been anointed by God to do what he’s doing, but basically it is the personality that is quite authentically reproduced in clones that you are witnessing. It will be surprising if his controllers can be patient much longer with his erratic behavior and diminishing effectiveness in carrying out their orders, but regardless of their concerns, this will not be publicly apparent.

[I Have A Dream]

7. At one point, I went to Matthew's site and read all of his messages that...

were posted, so I remember this. I recall that Matthew has talked about Bush being a clone several times.

Personally, I believe that there is such a thing as "The Illuminati", which skillfully manipulates the masses behind the scenes. It is the very fact that people don't believe in its existence that it is able to continue to operate as it has for centuries.

By the way, we did a group book read on Matthew's "Matthew, Tell Me About Heaven -- A Firsthand Description of the Afterlife". Have you read it?

[mysticalchick]

33. Matthew's books

I did read that one (and one other, if memory serves me). I am with you on the skillful behind the scenes manipulation and I also believe that the Hierarchy assists humanity and Mother Earth for the highest good of all.

[Cleita]

39. In the mainstream, there is the Bildeburg consortium which

kind of matches and overlaps the Illuminati. There is definitely global behemouths who influence politics in all countries including ours. That's what all the hand holding and kissing between Bush/Cheney and the Saudi royal family is about.

Hopefully, we the people of the whole planet can start to break these powerful groups into smaller less powerful ones with our laws if we ever get enlightened governments into place. It is happening in some countries now like India where large corporations are not that welcomed, but most businessess are smaller mom and pop type operations.

[MorningGlow]

9. Oh--the clone thing

I double clutched for about a nanosecond on that--far less than I expected. But it just seemed to make SENSE deep down in my gut. And, just like you, I watched him change so drastically at first, and then go through phases when the different clones started to go "bad" (like fish? hee), and "Bush" would start blathering like an idiot, with those disjointed sentences and totally misused words, and falling and injuring himself, again, it was so obvious that one of the clones was starting to degenerate (they're not very good at this yet--witness what they did to Pope John Paul, poor guy). Then Bush would go on vacation and come back refreshed, and the process would start all over again.

Yeahhh call me crazy. I can take it! I've had worse! :P

[Why Syzygy]

14. It was only when

he became governor of Texas that it occurred to the powers that be to have him cloned. By that time, alcohol had seriously compromised his physical and mental status, so the first clone could only be a poor specimen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw4Bhmm22xo

This part doesn't make sense, because when he ran for governor, he was in great shape. The video shows the 10 year difference, which most of us have probably seen. In those debates, he showed NO signs of a compromised mental status.

[MorningGlow]

8. Ahhhh--a new Matthew message is always like a fresh breeze

Thanks for the alert, MysticalChick! I've been peeking at Matthew's site all last week, but wouldn't you know it, I didn't check the past couple of days! :)

The election news is just what I expected--but oh how I sincerely hope that the timeline of probabilities stays on track and we DO have fair elections and we DO get a decent leader in November. There are some nominees I just can't look at. When I try, I can see the shadow behind them--the hand of the Illuminati on their shoulder. To me they look dangerous, dark, and angry, even when they're smiling. The best way I can express it is...I don't see their light. Other candidates--they just appear as beams of light to me. And those beams of light are being squashed. It makes me quite angry; I don't like being told "You can choose from Illuminati A or Illuminati B; and over here we have Illuminati C, D, or E. Pull the lever."
:puke:

Also, I really like the symbolism of breaking down the wall into Egypt. I wasn't thinking of it that way, but it makes sense.

And if I didn't say it before (I haven't been on the board very much the past several days--been under the weather), welcome to DU! :hi:

[Sanity Claws]

28. Would you mind sharing who you see as having the hand of

the Illumanti on their shoulder?
I am really interested in hearing what you pick up.
I can see dark energy all around Guiliani. I see Romney as a void, having no core -- a perfect vehicle for the Illumanti but himself not dark, not yet.

[MorningGlow]

30. Check your PM! n/t

[mysticalchick]

35. I'd like to know as well ...

... and I'm willing to discuss it in another post if you guys want to.

[PinkTiger]

10. Guys, I don't want to throw rain on the parade, but

This is over-the-top crap. No offense to anyone here, but there is not such thing as the illuminati and there are no clones.
I also have a problem with anyone who obviously favors one candidate over the other right now at this stage of the game and tries to use this type of HYPE to promote it.
I am empathetic to what is going on, and I can tell you that in MY GUT this is a load of bull.
Sorry.

[stellanoir]

11. No more over the top than the corporate media.

I must confess. I read a lot of this sort of stuff every morning. It's a guilty pleasure and a nice counter balance to all the political crap I read every day.

I probably buy into only about less than 20% of the channeled stuff.

I think about it a lot.

How some I know in the spiritual community are totally oblivious to politics and how much happier they are by virtue of that very disinterest.

You might not believe in the illuminati or clones, but if you look at recorded history, people mindful of humanity's best interests have clearly not been in charge for a very long time.

Something is terribly screwy. I don't necessarily believe that * is a clone.

I know he is imbalanced and there is something deeply imbalanced in each and every one of us that unwittingly put him into power.

I laugh when people talk of conspiracy theories because the corruption going on now is so unbelievably blatant it is hardly congruent with anything "that which is hidden."

I stay off the Karen Bishop threads because I find her not funny and a bit haughty. But she serves other people really well.

Perhaps you might consider doing the same for the Matthew threads, as others enjoy them immensely.

[Why Syzygy]

16. I'm curious ..

how do you (or Hillary) explain the close relationship the Clintons have with the Bushes?
I have never heard this addressed.

I do believe in an Illuminati. Historically, the existence of the Bavarian Illuminati is not in question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati
Illuminati is a name that refers to several groups, both real and fictitious. Historically, it refers specifically to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment era secret society founded in the late eighteenth century. However, in modern times it refers to a purported conspiratorial organization which acts as a shadowy power behind the throne, allegedly controlling world affairs through present day governments and corporations, usually as a modern incarnation or continuation of the Bavarian Illuminati. In this context, Illuminati is often used in reference to a New World Order (NWO).

As this clip notes, many people use the term interchangeably with those who are advancing a new world construct. Do you doubt that there are those who are aiming to re appropriate national and world powers?

If you're having problems with people strongly favoring one candidate over another right now, and many desperately, which might lead to what you term, "HYPE", DU is going to be a very uncomfortable place for you for awhile. It sure gets that way for me at times.

[PinkTiger]

22. On the Clintons and the Bushes

Usually the simplest answer is the correct answer. Rather than seeing Illuminati, I see that both men have been president and that Bill Clinton is a friendly guy who could charm a snake. That is all. They have been diplomats of a sort together; but I don't see them taking family vacations together or hanging out on Super Bowl Sunday.

[mysticalchick]

17. You have to go with what resonates for you, Pink ...

... and I have no beef with your comments. If it doesn't ring true, that doesn't rain on my parade at all. :) There are other channelers out there about whom I feel the same. Doesn't mean it's not true for them or those that "feel it in their gut".

Here's how I understand it: if whatever it is doesn't feel right to me, then there are no lessons for me there. I move on and find what DOES feel right and seek to learn what I can from that. Goodness, if it all felt that way to me, I'd be running in circles day and night!

I am clairaudient and get a lot of guidance that way. One day, while I was floating in my pool, I had a nice chat with Archangel Gabrielle and one of the questions I asked her was about Jimmy Carter. To me, he is an amazing man who understands so much more than we give him credit for. Yet, his evangelical christianity doesn't jive with what I understand to be true. I asked "How can he be all 'fire and brimstone' about stuff when he "gets it" on the higher level?" She replied that his work is to be a light for others to lead them to a higher consciousness and in this incarnation, this is how he does that. And that is where I got the guidance that if it doesn't resonate with you, there are no lessons for you at this time. Move on and find what does. (She also gave me the guidance in the waning years of my mom's life to keep the intention "YOU MATTER TO ME" at all times whenever I did anything for her. I did and they were, bar none, the best times of our relationship. I didn't have to say the words - just kept the intention all around me when I talked with her or did anything for her. AA Gabrielle is such a wonderful guide and messenger to me.)

I appreciate your voice in this thread.

Lisa

[Hersheygirl]

29. Then I would suggest you google

Bilderberg Group and read up on them.

[Bluestar]

12. Something feels wrong here

Why does he "out" Hillary as a member of the Illuminati when the evil Bush gets a pass as being a mere clone? If Bush is a clone, why has Matthew not identified the handlers behind Bush so we know who they are? After all, I think that Bush is quite a bit worse than Hillary.

Also, for the three years that I have been reading Matthew he keeps saying, "the light is coming in, things will change dramatically" and then he predicts more wars, violence and economic disaster (this is the light?). I dare say any one of us here could predict that. I am searching desperately for good changes and I haven't seen too many of these changes to date. I thought that the Democrats winning in 2006 was a good change and evidence that the light is coming in, but Matthew would have us believe that all of our leaders are Illuminati and therefore this was also not a change of "light".

I hope I am wrong about this. If others see evidence of this light, please enlighten me--I would like to believe that something will change, but right now his messages just don't ring true.

I don't mean to offend anyone here--we all have the channels and beings that we believe in and everyone must choose what rings true for them.

[PinkTiger]

13. That's where I'm at on it. Thanks.

I sniff a bit of charlatan here. Sorry if that offends anyone, but it stinks to high heaven.

[TNOE]

25. I understand how you feel

when there is so much wrong in the world and so much inequity and people who are suffering. I can only attest to my own personal life and the changes that have happened and are continuing to happen to me at a rapid rate. The website HiddenMeanings.com talks about our universe and the light from a scientific angle in that the sun is radiating much more light to our planet - and myself, I've learned to completely stop worrying and to shut out all the shit that I can't do anything about - and focus on what I can do. To be the "change" so to speak.

When you begin to go negative - just repeat to yourself over & over again - "my life works in perfect divine order" - and the changes you see in your life will be amazing. Good will win - I can already see it happening. And the more we focus on what's good - the more it will come into being.

[TNOE]

27. P.S.

From the Matthew message:

10. Now then, if you are thinking that despite all our contentions that the light is increasing, there is little evidence of this as you observe more outbreaks of violence, from civil wars to individual acts of assault and murder, please put these in the context of what we have said about the higher frequencies magnifying all characteristics and behavior—simply put, now “good” is better and “bad” is worse. The killings of those who held or were vying for prominent leadership roles anywhere in the world are part of this exacerbated energetic force, and so is the brutality within families and acquaintances and indiscriminate killings. Those kinds of incidents will continue until the energy with dark tentacles that initiates them runs its course. Do not fall into fear, that most pernicious tool and the fuel of the darkness! A magnified energy at its core and correspondingly stronger now, fear forms cracks in the psyche that become entryways for dark tentacles. Keep foremost in your thoughts that always the light is stronger—light is the same as love and it is the most powerful force in the universe. Keeping your light steady is your fortress that the darkness cannot scale.



11. Although from our vantage point of observation and our knowledge of soul contracts in general, we are joyfully astounded by the amazingly rapid progress of the light, we also empathize—yes, empathize, not only sympathize—with the souls who are experiencing trauma, grief and confusion during this stage of Earth’s transition. While many are leaving according to their pre-birth agreements, many others are choosing to amend their contracts and leave early so as to forego the pain of their intolerable living conditions that adds negativity, and they are joining in the light-beaming from souls in spirit to help Earth rid herself of negativity. And I hasten to say that the “better good” is happening in far greater abundance than the “bad worse”!

[Bluestar]

31. I appreciate your thoughts and perspective

I'm not saying that the light isn't coming in--I guess I didn't make that clear. Spiritually, I have been experiencing lots of major shifts as have the people that I work with. I am talking about outside evidence of the light and seeing some of the good changes that he speaks of, i.e. major religions crashing, governments being transformed, etc. There are slight changes, but nothing major as he keeps saying there will be.

My own guides tell me there are no saviors, that we are our own saving grace. So I have a problem with beings from other planets coming here to save us or manipulating things to be better such as fixing election fraud or who is elected in November.

I agree that we all must focus on the good things and not on the negative because when we focus on the negative we give it energy. My guides tell me it is our own mass consciousness energy that will change what's going on. If other beings are around to help, it is only to help, they cannot interfere with what's happening. As such, I believe that we here on earth possess all the knowledge and wisdom that we need to make our own selection of leaders and that, if enough of us pay attention to issues, we won't screw it up. Matthew's readings make it sound like we are all too ignorant to understand the hidden agendas or identities of the Illuminati and we can't possibly do this on our own. This does not ring true for me.

Thank you for your thoughts and good energy.

Bluestar

[mother earth]

32. I think most of us here already read these with a grain of salt.

To think we all believe 100% in these is far from how I feel most feel about these messages. I take what I already know, that there are strong powers that be, whatever you call them, calling the shots. I believe its more Wall St./lobbyist influences rather than Bilderbergers, but there's no doubt that our voice has been squelched, and that's no accident no matter who the guilty parties are.

But back to these messages, I think I speak for most people here, that we all take them with skeptic eyes, there's no cult following here, just those trying to lend positive focus through alternative approaches. I'm still not convinced of anyone's channeling abilities unless we are talking Edgar Cayce.

I know I have a difficult time remaining positive and that's why I come here. I feel strengthened and I learn from those who give their insights.

[Why Syzygy]

15. Matthew is not

one of the channels I regard as beneficial for my path. This group is the only exposure I've had to him. But I am curious. A few months ago, his mother took a break ... How did it come about that she started posting messages again? I missed that part.

[mysticalchick]

18. I believe ....

... the break had to do with a move in residence and other projects she is/was working on. As I understand it, she's settled back in and the work begins again.

As I said to Pink, you gotta go with what resonates to you. IMO, that's how you find your particular path.

[stellanoir]

19. Yeah I remember something about her moving

and she also had a hand injury which made typing difficult for a while.

[I Have A Dream]

20. Her website said that she would begin the channellings again...

sometime after the beginning of November. It was actually in December that she started.

[PinkTiger]

21. I have received some interesting empathy regarding her and Matthew.

She puts a lot of herself into the channelings; at first, I think she channeled him well; after awhile, it became more and more difficult, until now I think she does not channel him well.

I agree with what others have said about "if it speaks for you" and all that; Also, I want to say that I'm able to deal with the desires of the individuals to see their candidates win over the others. However, the facts are the facts. Only one can prevail.

The good that will come from the primaries is that the Democratic Party will be energized.

[mysticalchick]

23. Interesting point ...

... about how you feel she no longer channels him well. How have you seen that change over time? When I go back to some of the earlier writings, the words/energy feels consistent with what I read now. I'm interested in your take since you are detached from the work.

I have a teacher who also (I feel) isn't as clear a channel for some of the work she does. I don't think she has any bad intentions, just that what she receives feels very much colored by her experiences and her wishes. I continue to work the lesson that I am to give what I get as purely as I am able to do. When I first started writing out the guidance as I got it, I changed a couple words that I didn't think fit well and was told clearly that I am NOT to do that. The words and how they are used are for the person receiving the information, not for me. (Basically, take dictation is what they said (lovingly! heh)). So now, I just move my rational brain to the side and let it flow and let go of what is written.

I wonder if Suzy feels a great burden (is that the right word?) to continue the channelings.

[I Have A Dream]

24. The impression that I get is that she does feel a great burden...

in having to continue to channel this information. However, she also needs this connection to Matthew, so she has really ambivalent feelings about the channelling.

(This is just my empathic reading. It's been that way for a while, in my opinion.)

[mother earth]

26. Thanks for that snippet, this is exactly what I've been feeling for

the past couple of days, feeling like why bother to vote when you know it's manipulated and the count is up for grabs. Even when we know how corrupt the system is, it's like we just don't want to believe it is so, and we grasp at straws. I'm waiting for that light to expose the truth, it's been a long time coming.

Thanks for posting this, I'll ck out the rest.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

34. Well, the Mayan Calendar underworld

is Ethics this time around. So I could see where truth will eventually expose unethical behavior.

I agree with Matthew that issues are being swept under the rug. Seems that pundits are more interested in trivia about the candidates than really discussing issues.

[PinkTiger]

36. Tonight, during the SOTU speech, I kept looking at Bush to see

if he looked like a clone. LOL.
He looked OK to me. Or, as OK as he ever looks, which isn't great.
Now, Laura looked different. She has lost weight and looks great. UhOh. Maybe.....you think she is a robot????

[Hersheygirl]

37. We all believe in different things and different

Points of view. But the majority of us here in this forum respect the views of others and refrain from making fun, I would hope you can do the same.

[Cleita]

38. Thank God for Matthew.

Every time I get down in the dumps reading one of his messages gives one hope.