David Icke and the Illuminati

[mysticalchick]

Anyone out there interested in talking about this?

I rented one of his videos (From Prison to Paradise) and find it very interesting. Coming from my "woo-woo" perspective, I feel that things just don't happen - that there are reasons behind things and there is no such thing as "coincidence". The more I look into this, the more I feel it could very well be true.

Having heard his name twice in less than a week, I knew I had to check it out.

I'm open to thoughts, other sites, comments and even a "Get real" if that floats yer boat.

[I Have A Dream]

1. Hi, mysticalchick. There has been a little discussion here about David's...

material, and it's one of the few times where I've actually seen people in this subgroup get upset about a subject. (Just warning you in case it happens in this thread also. If so, don't take it personally because it's happened before.)

I'd be happy to talk to you about it via PM, if you'd like to discuss it there. :hi:

[mysticalchick]

2. Thanks for the heads up ....

.... and I will PM you.

I don't know if I buy it all but I will admit that it piqued my interest a great deal.

[cliss]

3. I don't know that much about David Icke.

I stumbled across his web site a few years ago, while searching for something else.
Since I was there, I decided to see what he had to say.
Read through a lot of his web site.
I was a little surprised when he made his claim about certain people being Reptilian, or part of another race of reptoids. In fact, they do not have our best interests at heart they are predators.

NOW I have no objection to the fact that Dick Cheney is a reptile. Who would disagree with that? The man just is not human.
But I did not agree with David Icke when he wrote that most or all of the Bush administration were reptoids including Colin Powell being part of the illuminati. This man was an outsider they used him because of his sterling reputation from Viet Nam. I've read that Dick Cheney despised him he saw him as a complete threat to his own sordid plans for world domination. Powell was possibly the only one who could have put a stop to / or diverted the sinister plans.
Of course he didn't he was just a tool and they tossed him out when they were through using him.

So I don't know.

But ~ David Icke could be right.

[Cleita]

19. Probably it's his use of words like Reptilian as closest to

the concept of describing these types of people. I'm sure it's meant in a spiritual sense and we know sometimes it's hard to put spiritual concepts into words without a lot of metaphors. For myself who has had a lot of acquaintance in my garden with reptiles I don't find them evil but usually quite benign.

[I Have A Dream]

20. My opinion of what David is saying is that...

he's not using metaphors. He's really talking about shape-shifting beings from another dimension.

[Cleita]

21. I was just reading about him on Wikipedia and it does

state that. I don't know what to think now.

[Celebration]

4. I like him

I mean-- some of the stuff is preposterous. I would say I am going to personally have to see someone shape shift before I buy that. But he is entertaining, and I love the way his mind works. His mantra about the Illuminati--

Create a Problem
Get a reaction
Provide a solution

Yes, it is so obvious, that. problem, reaction, solution. Repeat--problem, reaction, solution

[southerncrone]

5. I have his book "The Truth Shall Set You Free"

Haven't read any of the other books, or seen any of the videos, but would like to. I occasionally go to his site.

I do think he is on to something. My book focuses mostly on how merchant bankers, Freemasons, psuedo-govt. groups (CFR, Fed Reserve, TriLats, Bilderbergs, etc) run & rule the world & have for centuries.

I find he makes more sense than most of what we are "fed" by MSM.

What video did you see?

PM me to discuss.

[Chovexani]

6. I've read some of his stuff on a lark

And the man is a batshit insane anti-Semite. He regularly cites white supremacist BS in his books and is a bit too cozy with known Holocaust deniers. Someone once said his "theories" basically read like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, except with shapeshifting blood-drinking lizard people instead of Jews, and they're right. Keep in mind his career in crazy peddling started when he was sacked from his job as a sportscaster on British tv after claiming to be Jesus. Scientology makes more sense than the crap he espouses, for cryin' out loud. The logic holes are gaping.

No one needs to be giving this fruit loop the time of day. If nothing else, it makes everyone who questions official versions of things look crazy, because they then get lumped in the same boat as this nut. He is dangerous for that reason, even if his ideas are laughable.

[Popol Vuh]

7. I watched that video a short while ago

And it certainly makes some good points. I like David Icke.

Hi mysticalchick and welcome to the DU, especially this section of it. :hi:

If you don't mind my asking mysticalchick, have you ever heard of Michael Tsarion? If you haven't and you enjoyed David Icke, here's some video links of his.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8545585184878490822

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6056789081969524094







Oh and I can't forget the God Father of Secret Society researcher - Jordan Maxwell.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8431552640288551100

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1697805906900297328

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8394844811105390386




I know its a lot of video links, but I enjoyed them all and like to share them when I get the chance..



Peace
Popol Vuh

[mysticalchick]

8. Thanks for the links and the thoughts....

... I tend to go by what my intuition says as to whether something feels like truth to me. I would agree with some here that he is on to something. Some stuff I cannot yet wrap my head around but that doesn't mean it's not true. Thanks to those who PM'd me encouraging me to keep reading and validating and checking. I don't accept something because someone (whomever that "someone" may be) said it was so. If something doesn't resonate with me, there's no lesson there for me.

I am open to hearing all sides (even that he's "batshit insane") because it helps me get to know more about how others see things. So, again, I thank you all for the comments and information. (I wish I could spend all day reading and checking it out but alas, work and then a hockey game calls. But I know what I'll be doing this weekend!)

I am so so so happy to have found this forum.

Peace to you all,
Lisa

[stellanoir]

9. I've a friend with whom I often joke.

We blame anything and everything that goes afoul (flat tires, lousy service in restaurants, etc) on the "blood sucking, baby sacrificing, shape shifting reptilians."

But seriously, Icke is frustrating because some of historical information is quite thorough. The reptilian thing is a bit OTT from my perspective, so I've always seen the callous inhumanity of much of our leadership as being solely motivated by their reptilian brains (eat or be eaten).

They certainly are not motivated by their higher selves or minds or their hearts. That's for sure.

Welcome to this forum.

[Why Syzygy]

12. Tsarion

puts a more realistic spin on the reptilian angle, imo. His teachings are more grounded in metaphysics than Icke's I would say. I've read one of Icke's books and used to read his site.

Like Stella says, Icke has some facts right, but misses in other areas. He claims the elite are the supremacists , and I have to say, I don't think anyone can compare to their level of hate, not even Icke.

btw, Jordan claims he introduced Icke to the US and Icke later snubbed him. Jordon has excellent material also.

[Popol Vuh]

13. I agree

Which is why I really don't view David Icke anymore. Not because I've black balled him or anything like that. But just because Maxwell and Tsarion I think do a better job at explaining that the reptilian description as metaphoric symbolism for a higher advanced species. I also think they put together the ancient text and artifacts better, and, I find their overall description on history to be quite interesting and compelling. Especially since my OBE experiences.


Peace..

[mysticalchick]

18. Tsarion...

... wow... been watching his "Subversive use of Sacred Symbols" video and it is so enlightening. He is a serious, focused man and I am intrigued by his findings. Hiding in plain sight - all of it is.

I know that I've been guided to look into this issue and when I asked my guides and teachers why that is so, they indicated that I need to understand that just because I choose not to put my focus on the darker side of things does not mean it is not out there. And if I am going to work in the field of energy healing and change, I must look toward the bigger picture.

So, thanks again to those who commented and especially those who continue to help me find my way on this path.

[mysticalchick]

14. Thank you for the links ...

... I suspect I will spend some time this weekend viewing them and other stuff. You guys have given me lots of info and avenues and I will be checking into them.

Thanks! :)

[southerncrone]

26. Thanks, Popol Vuh, for connecting me to Michael Tsarion. I think

he might be my twin flame! I plan on ordering his Atlantis book. All reports seem to point to it being a metaphysical masterpiece. All of what I've read that he says resonates completely with me.

Thanks, again. :hi:

[Grateful for Hope]

10. I have read him

And I have wondered if the reptilian aspects of his information are a smoke screen for the information he is really trying to get out there (the researched aspects of the illuminati, etc.).

What I think is that he may be deliberately making himself look really 'out there' so that he isn't taken all that seriously by those he speaks about.

Just a thought.

[Mnemosyne]

15. It can also help one

to stay alive.

I recall a strange incident a couple years ago at the WH. A man had sneaked in, huh?! can someone actually do that?, was hiding about with a gun, iirc, and was caught IN some corridor or room inside ranting about lizards or demons or something that made him sound like "just some nut". How convenient.

It was only a brief 'report' and then gone. I've always felt it was an insider that became terrified at something he learned or saw. jmho.

I believe it was discussed at DU somewhere, assumption made, of course, that he was "just some nut". If the DU search worked better I'd go looking for it. Maybe I'll try later now that my curiosity is peaked.

[katty]

11. he's been around for years - others in this area have written

extensively on their POV re: Illuminati - just google/advance google and follow the yellow brick roads

[Mnemosyne]

16. I always figure there are no

coincidences. :) When it happens to me, I investigate too. :hi:

Interesting thread, btw.

[Why Syzygy]

17. btw

David Icke also has 4 video interviews on the conscious media network. That's pretty mainstream (for metaphysics). It's been awhile since I viewed it.

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/home.htm (interviews are in the drop down)
I just noticed they now require registration to view videos.

[I Have A Dream]

22. Thanks for this, vsm. nt

[judaspriestess]

23. I have one of his books

Tales from the Time Loop.

[katty]

24. on Illuminati: interesting.. LINK

http://www.illuminaticonfessions.webfriend.it/


(fyi, I just found this, I don't know about this guy's history)

[Lindsey]

25. I have a friend that's into him a little so I only know what I pick up from her....

I feel that some of these so-called people we've been dealing with (*, Cheney, Rove, etc.) aren't human beings and really are some type of other beings from a dark space. I've always been comfortable with referring to them as reptiles 'cause IMHO they sure 'aint human. After reading this thread, I'm going to check out Tsarion....never heard of him. I LOVE this place on DU! Great threads and info.:-). Peace & Welcome.....

[mysticalchick]

27. Been watching "From Prison to Paradise" ...

.. and the 2nd disc is fascinating to me. Going over the esoteric symbols and how they show up time and time again in our culture, how things are right in front of our eyes but since we do not know the "code", we don't see it. Very interesting.

Also, I like how he discusses energy being neither positive nor negative - it's what that energy is used for (in this case, malevolently) that makes it all happen.

I've been watching Michael Tsarion as well (so you can imagine how I've been running around all cynical and Bah Humbuggy lately, right?) and truly, this fascinates me. I ran it by the Dean of our Seminary (Sancta Sophia) to see what she thought (as she is very progressive and knows symbology backwards and forwards) and she agreed that the energy just IS and intention is a big part of it. She also said that it would take her hours to put into words what she thinks about it so I am hoping to hear more next time I speak with her. I will see her when I go for a class in a couple weeks and she mentioned that it would be a good topic for conversations between the seminary students. (Last time I was there we all were discussing various and sundry UFO experiences and nobody batted an eyelash. I loved that. People are just so open to what might be. It's a wonderful place for study.

Anyway, any more thoughts on this?

[Why Syzygy]

28. Something did occur

to me after this thread had been going awhile, and I've been bouncing Tsarion's name around .. because in one of his presentations, he refers to politics as a "circus", as in it is to a large degree pretend and a salvo for the masses, much like religion. "The Cross and The Crown". I think his assertions are hard to dispute with any information available to the public. I still care a great deal about what happens in politics because it does shape our world and is at least a public view of what is turning with TPTB. Maybe that has been Bush's greatest asset. He isn't a very good liar, even though he practices all the time, and he has made a lot of dirty business transparent. That's why it is so hard for us to believe he doesn't get busted, because it is so OBVIOUS.

If someone believes deeply in the political process, they won't agree with that aspect of his lecture. There are lots of other things to look at though. I'm glad you're enjoying the videos.