Clairvoyance on the Iraq War

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

I assume most of you have seen the post on the Greatest Page about Chelsea Clinton's answer to a questioner about why her mother voted for the IWR. She said something about her mother not being clairvoyant, and it was taken for a sarcastic put-down.

But I took it another way, because in 2002 and 2003 I saw what would happen if we went to war. Saw clearly, like a slide show, pictures of wounded children, broken families, destroyed cities, soldiers killed. I saw it and felt it--felt the people directly involved in the drama making the choice to bow out of this life in a violent manner. It was like a detachment, a letting go. My vision was of people breaking their life cords (the ones that connect the physical body to Source) much as one breaks the stem of a plant--not completely tearing it off, but life hanging by a thread, where it wouldn't be long before it was gone. I saw all this, and more. The pleading eyes of those who did NOT want this to pass. And I tried. Tried with all my might to make this group reality choose a different course. But there were zig zag energies around, insanity riding a wave of psychic energy. At one point, at one demonstration, it took the form of a woman no one had seen before. She came up to us and spat at us, telling us we were wrong. We told her that was her constitutional right, and she symbolically wiped her anus with the constitution, and then directed a blast of psychic energy so strong it literally landed my husband on the ground, and he was standing three feet away. The cops came and took her aside, and I've never seen her again. BTW, it took a while for him to recover from this attack, btw, including ceremony to dispel it.

Funny how a put down brought all that back to me. Of course, I couldn't talk of it on the main board, but I know it is safe to talk of it here.

I was wondering if anyone else here had premonitions of what was going to happen, or who was visited by destructive forces like we were.

[Proud_Lefty]

1. I did, but nothing like what you went through

As Bush was pounding the drums for war against Iraq, I became extremely uptight and uncomfortable. Like you, I could see death and destruction, but I also saw us attacking the hornet's nest and opening up something we wouldn't be able to just walk away from. I tried telling everybody that the war was so wrong and I was laughed at and ridiculed. Americans wanted revenge for 9/11 on any country, no matter who was to blame. I seriously thought I was living in the Twilight Zone. During the first month or so of the war, I cried every morning for the innocent people losing their lives over some game of greed. I kept waiting for the soldiers' mothers to come out and speak against the war, but nothing was said for a long time. When Cindy Sheehan spoke out, I finally felt some hope for humanity. When she was in my area, I met her and had to hug her to embrace such a beautiful soul.

To this day, I still don't understand how the religious bible thumpers can encourage continuation of this awful war while claiming their one lord and savior to be the one and only Prince of Peace. Of course, nothing they do makes sense to me.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. in re: religious Bible thumpers (and Qur'an thumpers)

I see in both groups a decay of the paths that, at one time,led to greater knowledge of Source. I think we are on the threshold of a new time, when Source is displayed in a greater context--when our ideals are shattered on the Rock of Truth.

[Grateful for Hope]

8. My premonition

had to do with the Afghanistan war. I was so upset when that war was started that I sent an email to the WH...

[Proud_Lefty]

11. Not too many people see anything wrong with that war

A lot of people think that war was actually going after the people who attacked us and is completely justified. I agree with you - and the real reason for going in there had more to do with laying their pipeline than seeking justice.

[Celebration]

3. my concern for it

was that everything seemed orchestrated. We weren't getting any significant antiwar sentiment, except from a few random people. So, I just had a generally sort of suspicious feeling. I didn't know it would be a disaster. Really, Congress should be made to declare war so people can't act like such weasels. (Oh, how could I possibly know that GWB would interpret the vote this way and after all I wasn't clairvoyant.)

[Why Syzygy]

4. Yeah, I guess I'm clairvoyant ..

or just have some common sense. I read what Scott Ridder was saying. He was there and against it, and I believed HIM. I watched in horror as Daschle eventually caved on the vote. It was devastating. I was in the minority too. When I did voice my concerns, they were met with cries of "NO! He has weapons of mass destruction! He has to be stopped!" I didn't believe he had the weapons. Eventually the visions came. My main one was a bloody retreat. And it was about the belief that we would never get out. That if the soldiers tried to leave, they would face fire all the way. I knew about the suicides that were to come. I knew about the broken lives, the lost limbs, the lost minds and souls. But one doesn't have to be clairvoyant. One only has to live through the Viet Nam war. Which Hillary Clinton did.

Yeah. It sure looks like evil magic. I won't even call it dark because dark has benefits. It is pure evil brought to us by evil people.

[Stevepol]

5. I had a lot of dreams that indicated that war was coming, but

I don't think it needed dreams to figure out that * and his cohorts had war and war only on their minds. It became even clearer as the lies piled on top of one another.

I tried to pray too, to join with others to try to avert what was coming but as some have said on this thread there was just too much power behind the idea of war. I do think there were many millions of people praying for peace, but it just wasn't to be.

Iraq is one of the great tragedies in human history, and it was very hard I think to avoid seeing what was going to happen. Still, I know there are times when it's very easy to delude ourselves because of what others are saying. Nobody wants to believe that the government is just dishing out lie after lie, so we don't like to doubt everything.

I remember the time when I almost believed that the war might be justified. It was in Sep of 02 when * and Blair were meeting at Camp David and Bush said that the IAEA, when it was pushed out of Iraq the last time (actually they weren't pushed out but left of their own accord when they realized the war was coming), had reported that Saddam could have a nuclear bomb in 6 months. I hadn't thought about it being that soon, so I was amazed. And for a week nobody even disputed *'s claim. It took a reporter at the WA Times of all places to actually get the brilliant idea of actually calling the IAEA to find out if it might be true. Of course it was a complete fabrication. The IAEA had actually said that Iraq was in no danger of building a bomb, that it would take FIVE YEARS before they'd even be able to start to develop one.

It's pretty hard to blame the American people when for a year or more they were bombarded by lies like the IAEA one, a propaganda barrage the likes of which I don't think has ever happened in the US except maybe in war time. But even thru it all I'm not sure a majority ever favored invasion. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but if it was a majority in favor it was a slim majority.

We're just beginning to feel the effects of what we've done, along with many others too I guess. A hard rain's a gonna fall.

[Why Syzygy]

6. There was a ton of mind control.

I was just talking to someone about this today. They lived in central Texas during that time and didn't know anyone who supported the war. I lived in north Texas at the time and didn't know anyone besides myself who opposed the war. I was seeing someone then, and when I tried to talk to him about the truth, he had sort of a gleam in his eye as he repeated the WMD lies. Now that I think of it, it was pretty scary. I was really terrified until Howard Dean started publicly opposing the war. I know Kucinich did too, but didn't have the visibility of Dean. Only then was I able to put my fear away and the mood of the country did begin to slowly change.

Remembering that friend's gleam, I'm not at all sure anywhere near a majority opposed the war. Sometimes I think we are a blood thirsty people.

[Fire Walk With Me]

7. I just looked at Bush and friends and knew that they could not be trusted whatsoever,

that they were up to something, and with all the oil in that region, and the previous instances of US "involvement" in the region, that the oil might be what it was all about. IIRC it took me a bit to observe and form that conclusion.

[Cleita]

9. Many non-clairvoyants saw from the beginning what a disaster

Bush/Blair were leading us into. This was the reason for the world wide anti-war protests before the war that the media ignored. It didn't take a rocket scientist to see what propaganda and lies they were spreading in trying to make Iraq look responsible for 9-11. Certainly someone who is supposed to be as smart as those who voted for the IWR claim to be could have seen it. My Senator Dianne Feinstein also voted for the IWR so Hillary doesn't have the whole blame here but those two women certainly should have known better.

[Silver Gaia]

10. I didn't have an experience like yours, ayesha, but

I remember the night the Supreme Court handed the presidency to Bush. I was sitting right here in this room with my husband beside me when we heard the news. I'd been feeling off-kilter all day, but in that moment it was as if the world shifted around me, as if I/we were being thrust into an alternate reality. I remember my husband saying, and his voice sounded far away and like he was speaking from underwater, "Well, he's so dumb he'll just end up being a lame duck." When he said that, the tears began to fall from my eyes, and I remember saying, "No. He is going to take us to war. This man is will bring death." This wasn't a conscious thought. It just welled up from within me. I knew it then. I had seen it in his eyes.

Like the rest of you, I did my best to prevent it. Protested, wrote letters, talked to people everywhere I went. But it happened anyway, and on the day the first bombs fell, I felt the horror. All I could do was cry. For days.