I just cannot read another word about W. Is there some astrological reason

[Callie McAllie]

why people in this country are not up in arms? We should be rioting in the streets in protest. We should be storming the Bastille (or the White House).

:kick:

Even the few demonstrations I've attended have always felt quite lame and passive.

I've been thinking all along that people are just distracted by the media, by American Idol, for example, or that once they voice their concerns on the internet they no longer feel the need to do anything more. Or that they just don't think they can change anything so they don't bother. As a country, it feels like we are more passive than cows.

But perhaps there's some kind of astrological influence here that keeps us from going all impeachment on his ass? If anyone has some insight, please share.

[I Have A Dream]

1. I feel the same way and have the same question, Callie.

:shrug:

Even when people do turn out in large numbers, the press under-reports the number of people who attended.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. It is almost as if there is some sort of psychic shield

surrounding protests, so that the energy from them cannot break out and change things around. For this reason, I've been doing a lot of inner work. Perhaps that is the way to change things--it's worth a try, at least.

[I Have A Dream]

3. I know that this is going to sound weird but...

I've been thinking that there might be some kind of subliminal message being broadcast on networks like Fox News and certain television shows. I can't think of any other reason that people aren't screaming about the way things currently are. If a Democrat were president, I truly feel that the masses would be screaming for his/her head. (Of course, hate radio would be getting them all riled up so that it happens.)

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

4. You could be right

I haven't watched network or cable news in years. Feeling I get when I happen upon a report is one of negative energy.

[Angel Wings]

8. I have felt this to

but not just with cable. I remember when the war started. I was always against it and thought that the whole reasoning was a sham but notice when I watch the news and heard bush talk I would get this feeling that everything was alright. I knew that was not at all the way I felt about it. So, I stopped watching the news that often and boycotting anything concerning bush.

[Celebration]

6. cable

Well, I have a Radionics workbook and tape by a woman named Caroline Conner. She and other people feel that there is a crystal in the satellites that broadcast cable, and that those crystals are programmed to hypnotize us (or something like that?) She is certainly accurate on some things, but I have to wonder about this. Maybe it is just that the media is all owned by huge corporate interests.

I watch cable. I hate supporting Comcast, but, oh, well, I don't feel hypnotized.

Who knows?

Oh, when she was asked "who" was doing this (on the tape) she just answered "You don't wnat to know."

[Callie McAllie]

11. I prefer the crystal theory to the alternating realities

I think the latter is more than my brain can handle. Plus the crystal theory satisfies my desire to see conspiracy around every corner.
:)

I certainly do feel hypnotized by cable TV, I'll tell you that. My husband and I can watch Law and Order for hours at a time, and I am amazed that there episodes still come on that I have never seen!

Likewise, American Idol is hypnotizing me three nights a week. My husband never watched it until this year, and now he's hooked too.

[conscious evolution]

12. You guys are hypnotized

Its not the content that is doing it either though it does play a part.

What is hypnotizing everyone is the televisions themselves.
Hours of staring at repetitive flashing lights will fuck with anyones mind.

[ricochetastroman]

20. right on n/t

[Delphinus]

21. Have to agree with you.

I've noticed it working on me.

[I Have A Dream]

23. I am part of a group that works with a channelled being...

and, a couple of years ago, he set up a ten week program that had us do all kinds of things to try to improve our health and well-being (physical, mental and spiritual). The things that he requested that we do were all really practical things. Some of these things were eating a very high amount of fiber every day, walking outside for 30 minutes every day (this was in the winter! :scared:), not drinking alcohol, and not watching television. He said that, if we really had to, we could record television shows and watch them later, but we were not supposed to watch shows at their regular times -- we were to record them and watch them some other time.) At first, I didn't understand the difference between watching them normally and watching them the way he wanted us to watch them, if we had to watch them. My television habits permanently changed, and, for the most part, I continue to do as he suggested during this ten week program. I've found that I'm much less likely to watch television now. I don't even know what channels are which stations anymore.

I think that the problem with watching television real time is that it's really easy to just keep watching even after the show that we wanted to watch is over. Also, it makes our lives revolve around the television.

[conscious evolution]

26. Show me a family who vacations at Disney World

and I will show you a family whose lives revolve around television.

For some reason the idea of recording and watching later seems like a good idea.It is as if by watching at their schedule it turns a person into a creature of habit.

[Blaze Diem]

27. I agree and thats what the casinos use in excess of. Mezmerizing.

Casinos use many methods that play on the psycology of the human brain.
They research it and apply it to maximize their profits.
It works every time.

[Shallah Kali]

29. They Live?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Px3nBTLZCQ

Aliens, extra or interdimensial beings, subliminals or something else TV is plenty capable in my opinion inducing altered mental states. I still remember the first time I watched music videos as a teen at a friends house. when the ad came on I was jolted out of a trance that I later realized felt like being jolted out of hypnosis to me. It wasn't until later that I started being more discerning about what I put into my mind. So much of TV, music, books, and movies idealize obsessive behaviors as 'true love' and normalize other unhealthy dysfunctional behavior. I decided I didn't want to risk getting caught up in that bit of my cultures collective consciousness.

[Angel Wings]

7. I have an even weirder theory

but one I've thought about for a while. A while ago, I heard about this guy who claimed he was a time traveler and was posting, for a few years on an internet site, about his life in the future. Some things started to come true as he said except for the part about the civil war that was suppose to have erupted after bush came into office the first time.

In his reality, people could clearly see the injustice that accrued and started rioting which soon gave way to civil war. From his description, this country was ripped and torn apart after that. I'm not totally sure, but I think he also said that a few other counties came in later to sift through our debris, so to speak. Also, the communal living that we read about would be the norm after dooms day was how he grew up. And, it wasn't a great experience from his description. Also, there were no enlightening moments for human kind and 2012 was just another day as the others. And from my interpretation of what I read he said, people stayed angry, vengeful and looking out for themselves or their own groups.

The turning point came, I believe, when 911 happened. I'm not sure if they said he even had one in his reality. But, I do remember the supposed riots and civil war happening after bush took office. This cause people to get upset and angry with time traveler guy and some started calling him a fraud. Time traveler guy also got upset and angry with the way people saw things and soon announced his last post and that he was going back to the future.

Now, this got me thinking about how there may be many different time lines but also something else. Like maybe on an unconscious or a supper-conscious level we already know about the possibility of what Time Traveler described and don't want a destructive reality to form. I know from my own unusualness. Now I can fight if need be and I also can fight at all cost if need be. I definitely see the need or blatant injustices but I don't have the inclination to fight like that. When I take time to really think about it, I feel like the best action is nothing or very minimal physically. As if, everything will eventually wind its way out if we step carefully or wisely. Like there shouldn't be a big hard fight at least not yet. Maybe now is not the time yet if it comes at all. I wonder if this may be going on with others also, unconsciously. That we may have a better plan even if we don't know it.

Also, I know I felt the energy from those power days that have come over the past few years when we where to meditate and send out as much positive as we could. Something Time Traveler didn't seem to be aware of. Maybe that’s the way most of our collective fighting dose and will take form...hmmm

Dose anyone remember or have any other info no the Time Traveler guy I'm talking about?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

9. No info on Time Traveler, but a thought on alternate realities

Seth talked of this--that all variations of what could happen are played out-and they are near to one another, just on different frequencies. Our actions can actually make us drift from one reality to another, in a limited way of course.

[Digit]

10. His name was John Titor...

Here is what wikipedia says:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor

Check this out for more information. If you google, you will find all sorts of things.
http://www.johntitor.com/

[eilen]

13. That's John Titor

and there was supposed to be some kind of war or act of war in 2007 that would cause the cities to be under a police state more or less with freedom loving individuals decamping for rural areas. He said a second war stemming from the first (Iraq) war that originated in the ME. Many people thought it would be war with Iran. There is a yahoo group that discusses him and has transcripts from the bulletin boards he kept.

After the changes the country goes through, people tend to rely on each other more, work together. There is a big problem with the food supply, it had become tainted and he talks about that, also, Mad-Cow disease spreads. So there is much disease and some issues we have today, like debates on abortion are non-starters in his world. People are just hoping their kids live through childhood.

Big scarcity of oil, people are riding bikes and carrying firearms to protect themselves. He has a time machine and is part of some mission to obtain some early computers, something like that.

That is what I remember from it. I found out about it listening to "Coast to Coast".

[Chovexani]

14. John Titor, and he's a proven fraud.

For starters there were several inconsistencies with his purported timelines. This is a good summary:
http://community.livejournal.com/hoaxes/90359.html

It's a shame because I'm a firm believer in alternate universes (I've gotten "glimpses" of many of them, usually intuitive flashes) and things some people would consider "out there". I just wish folks would take things with a grain of salt and not believe everything they read on the internet.

[Celebration]

15. I agree, it is a delicate balance

The John Titor story is really, really interesting. It is great to entertain as an idea. It just doesn't hold water. I think it may be related to some media project. I'm not 100% on this, but at the present time, I would guess that it is an elaborate hoax. It's interesting enough that I forgive everyone that is involved. (Then I say, move on.)

[Chovexani]

16. Agreed.

It's a fascinating story and we can learn things from it. At least it's an entertaining hoax.

I think one of the positive things about it is that it's gotten people to think about these things, and it's made people more willing to entertain these possibilities.

[PinkTiger]

19. It's been proven that subliminal messages don't work.

At least, the effectiveness of subliminal advertising is very limited.
This is my field, sort of, so I know about this. Here's the wikipedia site on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subliminal_message

However, let me explain my theory of why we aren't "in the streets."
The American people are not, as a group, all that political. Most of them couldn't explain the government, how it works, etc., so most of them are not in touch with what is happening. Sad, but true.
The only reason so many of them are involved in politics right now is, it is fashionable. But few of those newbies even know or understand how it works.
And they do know that BushCo is coming to an end. What saves us from revolution here in the US is our electoral system, which brings a revolution of sorts, or a possibility of it, every four years. It is a great system.
I'm just not so sure what good a subliminal message would do, when the overt message out there is that it would do little good to protest, anyway. Protest is not appreciated in the US, and protesters are treated like kooks and radicals.

On edit:
I do believe the gas prices in the US have been kept artificially low for a long time. By rights, we should have been dealing with $5 gasoline for some years now, but the powers that be are afraid to let that happen. I think people WOULD protest high gas prices, in a big way, because it is something that affects them in a huge way.

[Fire Walk With Me]

5. Hitler researched occult methods. The CIA etc. are nearly on the same general path

so would it be odd to even consider that they have researched and attempted occult technologies?

These are people who videotape torture for later enjoyment. 'Nuff said.

Washington D.C. and all involved in government and lawmaking need all the light that you can generate.

http://www.spiritofmaat.com/messages/nov11/aamichl.htm

[FirstLight]

18. Speaking of time travel, has anyone here read the series of books

...that started with "Spiritwalker"...?

The guy is an anthropologist, and starts having spontaneous shamanic journeys...as he keeps record, the ironic twist unfolds that the eyes of the man he sees through (6000 years in the future) can also see through his eyes as well...and they are each descendants of the other, and are being trained in the way of the medicine man - the crossovers in each one describing their experiences is amazingly vivid...(the language is too real to be made up, does that lake sense?)

The view of the future really rings true...the whole of central CA is called the inland sea, an the traveler comes to the sierra foothills, goes over the mtn range to find settlers of a different tribe in the carson valley

very cool reading

and the guy that wrote this had NO idea of shamanic journey except in very distant theory of some of his studies...he had to educate himself to figure out what he was seeing...and then risked complete academic suicide to go public and write the book was hard for him too...now years later, he is giving workshops on Shamanism, and helping others find their power guides, etc...

This is the story that aways comes to consciousness when I think about how it will all go down. The immediate future is not really spoken about. "Something" happens, that is known and described in the future's legends.... But the mere fact that our species is still here, and that the planet has managed to carry on and still support life is very encouraging...

[Delphinus]

22. Yes, I have!

It's been a few years now, but you mentioning it brings it back to mind.

[Shallah Kali]

30. 'The Men Who Stare At Goats' one of these days I will ask for an interlibrary loan to read it

http://books.google.com/books?id=2htuO07UAUoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=the+men+who+stare+at+goats&sig=z2STZRklKFkskC-lbM6vh8BCk0k#PPP1,M1

[peacetalksforall]

17. The center of everything in this country (that could apply to elsewhere) is this -

For some reason unknown by proof of statement or just not proven or even tested, we really don't like children especially when the child is the wrong gender, race, or social class.

In this country way too many of us love the fetus more than the birthed child. Supported by the way we even write laws and conduct transactions so that they go hungry and are without medical care and the way we guide them to follow the paths of shopping, sports, serial tv, celebrities and the way we seem to groom some of them to die for us by the collective acceptance of war.

Ours is a collective mindset that we need to defend ourselves and we were never taught where a line is supposed to be drawn between offense and defense when it comes to war, because we were always convinced that we were all about defending and we taught our children that.

Too many now find it impossible to draw the line for pretend wars, perhaps because we can't conceive that wars are concocted by taking advantage of deeply held beliefs that we are heroes to the world - who need to be honored, a just and honest people who cannot be touched - while, at times, totally ignoring that we eliminated and corralled the First Nation, made slaves do everything from stepping aside to building a White House. And that we used their children for our wars - and too often without equal reward.

We allow a certain kind of parallel universe because we believe in jaundiced leaders more than in our need to allow the child to live, bloom, and prosper for a connected universe. Look at the child. Look into the child. Act for the child. Not for the leader. Make the leader structure work for the child. Or, we'll never get it right.

[PinkTiger]

24. Have you studied this thorough the ages?

I think you will find that what you are talking about is very much a part of human nature.
Children have never been valued in the Indo-European mindset. My mother told me that often, when she was growing up in Alabama, they wouldn't even name a child until he or she was a year old, because so many times they died shortly after birth or before the year was out. Prior to the 20th Centiury, the poor were treated as pariahs, with being born into a certain class the only sure way to survive. And even then, it was no picnic.

In the 20th Century the youth culture, which had its first stirrings in the post Civil-War US, began in earnest. After WWII GIs came home to cheap housing and college stipends, that culture flourished.
As for war, our economy has always been succinctly paired with a war machine.

The fetus thing began as a backlash against the feminist movement of the 1960s and 1970s, when our patriarchal society began to fear it was losing control of women and girls. I'm always suspicious of any women's issue that is championed by men; when men began to push the right for life, I knew there was an ulterior motive. These same men would think nothing of having an unwanted child aborted, if it were in their best interests to do it. But they don't want women to have power over their reproduction and to be able to choose when to have children.

On poverty, we can't force people to work and to take care of their assets, or to stop self-destructive behavior. There will always be those issues to create poorer people, homeless people, etc. However, what we as a society can and should do is to make sure:
1. People who want to work can get a job, and one that pays a living wage. When they have a job, they should have some security in it. Employers should not be allowed to willy-nilly fire people without cause. If you hire someone, you are required to be responsible.
2. People can afford safe, clean, proper housing that meets their needs in our society; this means not only basic housing -- which can be deplorable -- but housing that provides the tools we need to exist as peers in our society. This means utilities, facilities, and connectivity, as well as leisure options.
3. Children of working families will have options of care and education, from cradle to college. This care should be safe, available to all, and affordable. No child should be turned away from this care because of the parents' inability to pay.
4. Education should be freely available through community college level, and affordable through graduate school. We should not be saddling our young people with student loans that take them most of their working lives to pay off. The cost of education for medical school, law school and other similar programs should be offset by allowing them to work in certain positions to pay for those loans, if they choose. Making it a short enough time, say less than 7 years, would be fair to them and good for our inner cities and rural areas.
5. Health care should be universal. It should be covered, period. If you work, you are covered. If you are on public assistance, you are covered. If you are homeless, you are covered by default, and steps should be taken to assimilate the homeless into society as far as practical. The mentally ill or challenged should be treated the same as people with physical disabilities, and placed on public assistance and mainstreamed into society.

Nothing about this means we would live in a collective society, where choices don't exist. People could still go to schools like Harvard and Yale, and pay the price, and refuse to work in the public sector to pay for the cost. People could still hire private nannies. But they would be required to pay decent wages. No more falling between the cracks and not reporting the income. But more probably, people would not do this as much; the public facilities, in your neighborhood, accessible and always there, would make a huge difference to people.

[Fire Walk With Me]

25. Now sounds like a good time to re-watch "Sicko"...

I loved his documentation of how the Europeans do things...

[PinkTiger]

28. The Europeans have the right idea.

I've traveled there a lot, and stayed in France for extended periods. You can probably tell by my idea of the ideal life - the utopia I mention sounds a great deal similar to France. Of course, they also have their problems, mostly in dealing with immigrants and in assimilation of those people into their system. The
French tend to be rather ethnocentric by their very nature, and expect more than we do that those who come to France do as the French do.

But the social changes that were brought about, mostly by revolution of the most brutal kind, have made a huge and basic difference all around Europe. Even in the UK, reforms have opened up healthcare to all. One thing I like is being able to go to the pharmacist (one on every corner, and one is always open in the neighborhood) for medical care that is non-urgent. I've seen cases where children came in with their mothers for a bandage or for a fever, etc. And I've had to call a doctor on two occasions to the hotel, to deal with ill students. A wonderful thing. Unfortunately, when I get sick, I have to take off work and drive to my doctor's office, which is 70 miles from my office; I can go closer, but I pay much more because of the way the local doctors bill my insurance. One time I had to go locally and it cost me more than $200; the same doctor visit to my doctor would have been $20.

The difference in the pay is that my doctor has facilities in house for testing, and these are covered. The doctor closer will send to the hospital for tests, even blood and urine tests, and so I pay for those against my deductible. Same insurance, both in house; it is a travesty.

[stellanoir]

31. Hey Pink

did you ever catch this?

http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/19529-michael-moore-cut-this-scene-from-sicko-because-no-one-would-believe-it

Amazing really.