Someone please show me where I'm wrong.

[Fire Walk With Me]

Bear with me, this is about impressions and is not a linear presentation. Sometimes when I'm right, I'm very right, and sometimes, I'm wrong and have to learn something from having made the mistake. I don't care much for that, mind you :) Pardon the semi-coherency, and a poke in the eye to any lurking freepers.

In a lump: The "Ascended Masters" are working to create an energy grid around the planet to help the Ascension. One site I found has an Alice Bailey-related "Triangle" project, to link lightworkers in triunes around the world. Alice Bailey and friends are purported to have started a Lucifer-oriented project. "Lightworker" is derived from the "light" of Lucifer. Lord Maitreya advises us to become masters as they are, using the "powers" of the Creator to attain mastery.

This site argues about such things:

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NewAge/Creme_Maitreya.htm

Now I'm not so into the Bible because I don't trust Christ, one of the Ascended Masters. The Universe is an energy exchange system; you are given what you give. You can create positive energy through selfless intent. Tibetans teach this, and seem to use this to cover the possibility that they lost Tibet due to black magic (Padmasambhava predicted this, and Trungpa notes that Padmasambhava is now in the field of vampires beneath the copper-colored mountain).

It is said that Jesus went to the East to learn. Such "powers" are common in India. Patanjali lists them, and a new tranlation that I have sort of giggles at the concept of rogue yogis using them to gain control of people and places.

So. Jesus returns to his home, and according to one text, cannot perform miracles in his hometown. This jibes with what I've heard, that faith in others either accentuates or diminishes the "powers". Jesus performs an unselfish act and ascends to immortality in the mental plane. As have the other Ascended Masters.

It is said that some of the gods in these realms require contributions in order to survive there, as it is risky to become involved with our level of karma. I wonder if any of the Ascended Masters are like this, or if they receive from God for continuing acts of good intent on the behalf of lesser beings. Jesus says in the Bible that we can all do as he has done. The link above questions the call to such power as being against the will of God. Some paths are entirely about the pursuit of such powers, and the more I look into them, have involved a complete lack of God. I don't know why the Christians don't question Christ regarding such powers.

And I don't know whether to take the Bible seriously if Christ is not there for our greater good. Jeshua (ben) Joseph Christ= 666. Is the Book of Revelations right or wrong? Positive or negative? Is Christ the anti-Christ?

I read that some people provide energy to the Ascended Masters. They're called chelas. This is about all that I know about the subject so far, but it seems to fit more into the vampire bit than the "universe supports and rewards you for every act of good with more good". Magicians of such calibre would not need anyone to donate energy. If they're worried about karmic involvement with the Earth plane, it's just weird. Why not incarnate and use those powers, as well as negate the karma involved? Buddha can generate a Sambogakhaya body if needed. Why not the others?

Now from the article:

"Alice Bailey founded the Lucifer Trust, which she later changed to the Lucis Trust -- what did she mean by Lucifer?"

"Now would the true Christ return to deny God and give the same message that the serpent gave to Eve; we can become Gods. Creme teaches that the Christ Maitreya has returned as the World Teacher and that his teaching is the art of "self-realization" or in other words, man has the capacity to become God by occult initiatory methods."

Now I have experience with the horrific writings of one of Bailey's students. Look no further if you want the real deal regarding negativity. Well, there is one more that is worse, but it hasn't come up here.

The one who has been channeling Maitreya has a history with Gurdjieff, Oustpensky, Bailey, and Blavatsky, as well as Patanjali's writings. This is very nearly a who's who of what is wrong with the world today. I can offer zero trust to anything related to such connections, especially with so very many of them at once. If you have read some of these writings, you have truly been poisoned, in ways that you might not like, and I recommend as strongly as I can that you find a brilliant healer to look into it and deal with it.

This goes further to something I posted regarding channelings from the Galactic Federation. They say that the Ascended Masters are working to complete the conditions for first contact, and that the ETs will help us to ascend into full God consciousness. Again, it is possible to gain such consciousness and to have no ties with the Creator whatsoever. A planetfull of ego-bound, fully aware beings worries me vastly, mostly for their own sakes, but for the future of the planet as well.

This has begun to reveal some sort of interaction between all of these aspects. I now take the Galactic Federation material to be negatively-sourced. A couple of items in the writings made me flinch, and now I believe that I see why. First Contact can also take the shape of an occupation. I hear less and less about God and God's will in these things.


Now I don't know if it's God's will for us to do anything special at all at this time, or for us to take up the call to such mastery. I've learned that I myself do not know enough to make such large decisions on my own, and have attempted to trust in God's will and guidance (again, I'm a student at this, by no means a master, so don't get upset if I screw up once again through self-will. It's zero reflection upon God, and only upon my own lacks. Or worse, if I fail simply because people are what they are- unready for such powers in any amount whatsoever.) What does =God= want from us at this time? Why did "Abraham" of Abraham-Hicks (which I also dislike due to the greed-oriented teaching, as well as the many contradictions) sneer "That one" instead of using Christ's name? (Audio download on their web site.) If "Abraham" is unable to even say Christ, is Christ after all a positive being? Are there so very many liars being channeled these days, that it purposely becomes difficult to tell?

Obviously I don't know the answers. I've been wrong before and will be wrong again, the latter being why I'm so very skittish, and wishing for insight into these things. The worst negativity, hiding itself in light, sets us up for the true, fatal fall, by our own self-will. This isn't a dress rehearsal, folks. This is being with God or not time. I've taken to praying to God for God's greatest good for the Earth and all beings on and around it, and to undo evil and to keep negativity off the planet. The Christ energy is very bright and powerful, which might be a warning regarding the Lucifer aspect? The worst of the negative bunch said, "The Luciferic opens the door to the Satanic." And that door, my friends, would not be easy to close.

[TNOE]

1. OK

You've said alot here and there may be others way more qualified than myself to answer you here - however, I have done quite a bit of study on all things Bible and religion - for the past 20 years.

1st of all - the Bible should never be taken literally. Use it for the lessons Jesus spoke of and tried to teach - to help the poor, have compassion and empathy, etc. The Bible has been manipulated by many men and women (Kings & Queens) over the years. King James added and took away from it - The Council of Nicea (a group of men) decided which books would be included in the Bible and which would not - St. Catherine the Great removed all references of reincarnation, among other things. However, according to one (Michael (can't remember last name, but can find it) - the Bible is still "coded" to raise and enhance your DNA level, so it can be a good thing to read - but for me personally - I think the Old Testament is completely irrelevant.

2nd of all - I think there have been many "anti-christs" - Nero, Hitler, George W. Bush, well - the whole Bush family and Cheney and Rove, etc. - I don't think Revelation is particularly important. However, if you study the Mayan's and the IChing and various other tools of prophesy - they all predict an "ending" and a "new beginning" - the ending being around 2012. I do not think Christ is the anti-christ.

I have read other sites who talk about building a "grid" around the earth. I hope that's true, but whether or not it is - I don't think it matters. What seems to me to matter is our own "thoughts" "Emotions" and feelings. Forget about "fear" is the #1 issue. Anything fear-based does not serve you. focus on love, empathy and compassion - and if there is indeed an "ascension" - then you will rise according to your level of understanding and based on your heart.

I'm sure many here feel the way I do some days - most days - and that is I don't know how much more of this evil, negative, ignorant shit I can take. I'm so sick of war, torture, stupidity, mindlessness, brainwashing, etc.

There are some good website and books you can read if you are interested, let me know.

[TNOE]

2. Additionally,

Some websites ahve said all this "first contact" stuff is deliberate misinformation. Is it - or isn't it - I really don't know, but I don't let it bother me one way or the other. I'm sure we have space brothers & sisters - and if they come to help us - more power to them!! Obviously, we need all the help we can get.


There is a lot of "disinformation" out there - especially with channeled material. To me - if it speaks of love, kindness, and goodness and I resonate with it - then I'll read it and soak it in, but if it focuses on "fear" - I reject it immediately. So - don't allow yourself to be afraid or caught up in fear. There is no "right" or "wrong" - things just "are". If you focus on love and good intent (like your prayers) you should be fine and find your path.

We can "never" "not be" "with God". We're a part of him who created us - and we can never be separate. But we can think we are.


Put the fears away - and I would suggest you pick up the Conversations with God books by Neale Donald Walsh - start with Book 1. They are amazing. You can also check out a website called Hiddenmeanings.com which explains much of the Bible scientifically. Also - the book "Change Your Brain, Change your Life" is great.

[Fire Walk With Me]

3. Haven't you noticed that the channeled "voice" in Walsh's book changes?

And that's the best thing that I can say about the part of the first one that I read. Did you see him in "The Secret"? He appears to be a highly troubled man, and has attracted like energy. Wasn't he highly depressive and even an addict at one point? NOT the best time to deal with channeling!!

Thank you for replying. I do not take the bible literally, and adore much of its social engineering. I do search for the message of love and peace, but note that when there is much information and technique without any love and peace, that it isn't a good idea to go much further. I just don't know whether to trust the direction being offered by those who might not be aligned with the Creator. I've made terrible mistakes before, and worry about again doing so. I know what actions result in my feeling better, and I cultivate them daily..prayer for the redemption of the worst off and worst suffering seems to make the largest difference in my day.

I know that we, and everything, are part of God, but trust me, you don't want to end up separated from God, especially not long-term. My wish is to avoid all such possible separation. It is literally a sensation of continuously dying.

I am obviously worried and afraid, and am working on surrendering that to God. Thank you for the insight.

Edit: I absolutely, definitely cannot trust anything from anyone who has studied the negatives that I'd mentioned. They're too good at the ulterior motive thing.

[TNOE]

4. Hmmmm?

I've read ALL the Conversation with God books several times through and through - and no, I never noticed the channeled voice changing. It remained very consistent in my opinion. Loving and completely non-judgmental. Its just your opinion and has no basis in reality since you actually haven't read the books.

And I never heard Neale Donald Walsh was an "addict", although I know he was homeless at one point in his life. He has always claimed to be an "imperfect" messenger - which of course, makes him perfect.

To each their own. If you only made it 1/2 way or less through the 1st book, you definitely wouldn't understand and have bought into "fear" where these books are concerned.

[TNOE]

5. From Widepedia

THE SECRET:

Others interviewed in the film, and who voice very similar views without actually using the phrase "Law of Attraction" include: Lee Brower, Hale Dwoskin, Cathy Goodman, Morris E. Goodman, Dr. John Hagelin, Bill Harris, Dr. Ben Johnson, Loral Langemeier, Dr. Denis Waitley, Neale Donald Walsch, and Dr. Fred Alan Wolf.

ABOUT:
Before starting to publish these books in the early 1990s, Walsch suffered a series of crushing blows — a fire that destroyed all of his belongings, the break-up of his marriage, a car accident that left him with a broken neck. Once recovered but alone and unemployed, Walsch was forced to live in a tent in Jackson Hot Springs, just outside Ashland, Oregon, collecting and recycling aluminium cans in order to eat. At the time, Walsch thought his life had come to an end. Despondent, Walsch began his writings after working his way out of homelessness following a short-lived job as a radio talk show host.


NO EVIDENCE OF ADDICTION - BUT PLENTY OF EVIDENCE OF TRANSFORMED LIVES AND GOOD DEEDS.

[Fire Walk With Me]

9. Ah, thank you. I was right. He appeared to have very heavy energy around him

and to me, stood out like a sore thumb in the film. I've seen that same black cloud and crushing weight in newcomers to 12-step programs. And also, watch it lift. Perhaps it had already lifted some from him, but still, any sort of direct contact with God, especially channeling, -should- have cleansed all of that right out. When I want to heal someone or something, I pray for the presence and love of the Creator upon it, and enough of that makes a difference.

I did read enough of the first book to get a feel for it. I'm sorry that my take disagrees with yours, maybe I'm wrong, I've been wrong before, but I dropped it when it claimed that we could go out and do anything without judgement whatsoever. Karma has not ended somehow. Even Yogananda balked slightly at the Creator's judgement once in Autobiography of a Yogi, stating a preference for Divine Mother's forgiveness and love. I don't know if this has changed recently, but I take it, among other items in the book including the shifting character of the channeled voice, to be extremely suspect. I'm cautious that way, but it put me off in a hurry. I don't know if anything written afterward would get me back into it.

For reference, I liked what I've read of The Master Key System quite a bit; it's positive energy and focus are very refreshing. It's downloadable for free online. I liked Autobiography of a Yogi (first edition recent reprint) excepting a couple of odd contradictions. Speaking of "added energy". I also love the AA Big Book. Chapter 5 is quite inspired and there is great truth about God throughout. It's obviously not for everyone, though. I also liked the Upanishads,

http://www.amazon.com/Upanishads-Penguin-Classics/dp/0140441638/sr=1-1/qid=1167207590/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-7726852-5775304?ie=UTF8&s=books


The Path of Emancipation: Talks from a 21-Day Mindfulness Retreat

http://www.amazon.com/Path-Emancipation-21-Day-Mindfulness-Retreat/dp/1888375159/sr=1-1/qid=1167207851/ref=sr_1_1/102-7726852-5775304?ie=UTF8&s=books

And the great master's talk on non-duality:

Branching Streams flow in the darkness, Zen talks on the Sandokai, Suzuki-roshi

http://www.amazon.com/Branching-Streams-Flow-Darkness-Sandokai/dp/0520232127/sr=1-1/qid=1167207952/ref=sr_1_1/102-7726852-5775304?ie=UTF8&s=books



"He is self-luminous and more subtle than the smallest; but in him rest all the worlds and their beings. He is the everlasting Brahman, and he is life and word and mind. He is truth and life immortal. He is the goal to be aimed at: Attain that goal, O my son!"

-Mundaka Upanishad, Chapter 2

[Why Syzygy]

12. "karma has not ended some how"

My thoughts on this can be summed up by a quote from Paul. I don't believe BECAUSE he said it, however. He said, "all things are lawful for me but not all are profitable".

It's about the same as the Wiccan Rede> "Do what thou wilt and harm none".

Intentions are very powerful.

[conscious evolution]

6. Interesting

Not sure what to make of most of it though.Definitely food for thought.

A couple of things I will comment on.
As for Tibet,I have been wondering lately if it was black magic that kept them locked away in those mountains and Chinas invasion was actually one of liberation.Was the Dalai Lama freed to help prepare the world for what is coming
Jesus was right.We can do what he could do.

I believe there are vampires on the other side.Some of them masquerades as gods.While the rewards for feeding them may seem good,it is good only in a temporal sense,and is actually harmful on the spiritual level.There are a couple of guanyin tantric cults that will lead one down this path.

As for your link-It made my skin crawl.

[Fire Walk With Me]

10. The link has some odd vibes, and Christian accusation, but it also informed me about a few

things that I hadn't known, and must be very wary about. That channel studied some extremely dark things, and is as such, untrustworthy in my book. I have had experience with what I'm talking about, BTW, unfortunately.

[Shallah Kali]

7. Aren't we always called to be the best person we can be? If so make that your path

I don't know about most of what you have written about. I do know that channeling can be full of problems. Even the best messages can be subtlety altered by even the best channel. And as you spoke of some connect with less than pure intentioned beings at times so as with all things discernment is needed.

So how do you know who to listen to and not just in channeling but books and so on? This too is a constant question for me. I always come back to this: if the message helps you be the best person you can be, with kindness, honesty, compassion, that assists you in healing any unwell aspects of your being and/or helps you assist others in like fashion there is at least some truth there. Take what helps and heals you and helps you assist others and ignore the rest.

Now personally I hesitate to put any faith into predictions of space brothers coming to earth and saving us from ourselves because I don't believe anyone or any group will do that. I feel that there is help but to expect others to do the job for us is unrealistic. I also discount channelings that put emphasis on 9/11 and recent events because when I look at human history I see so many horrifying acts of mass violence and when I look at the numbers of individual violence in America that has been going on for decades with over 15,000 people murdered each year I wonder how come things like those didn't trigger the same reaction. I remember coming across one channel that had predicted space brothers coming to help us but they turned back because of 9/11, not because of ruwanda, the war in the congo or the former yugoslavia or any of the multitude of other mass and individual horrors committed elsewhere. Basically anyone or anything that does not put equal importance on *all* life makes me doubt or totally discount them.

[Fire Walk With Me]

8. Thank you for your post.

I agree, find the good and leave the rest behind.

I have a problem, however. My focus is intense and I take in a large amount, as I'm sure many here do. As healing energy and higher connections can be attached to words (Yogananda speaks of this in Scientific Healing Affirmations), so may darkness. A couple of the authors I've listed did -something- to their works, and it gets in just as easily as anything else. Gurdjieff, for example, wrote half-page run-on sentences, thousands of pages of them, and then said to read the books three times to really get it. Turns out that he'd studied hypnotism, among other things, which is a manipulation of the attention. The "Lotus Sutra" is the same way. :/

As the energy shifts, such things become even more "effective". I despise beginning a path and finding that there is poison there, after it's too late.

The problem about the "galactic federation" was that it sounded like it expected us to give them our power in exchange for ascension. We ARE all too willing to have daddy solve our problems. Some channeled information said to take our power back, and that has been helpful to me.

I'm getting over my fear more and more every day, but there was a tremendous amount there to begin with. Thank you for letting me catch up.

[Shallah Kali]

11. I have given up on finding somone perfect to follow and pick and choose

I always come back to self-work to clear and heal my own issues and energy. When I ask for metaphysical help and work with energy I always clear and affirm that I only work with beings of divine light and divine love. All else is banished. A large part of my path is working with energy especially Reiki which is a wonderful pure healing energy. I have found it very useful in healing myself and assisting others including using it to transmute harmful energy. Like you as I change I find I pick up more on harmful energy with things as well as being more sensitive to it. This is unpleasant but at the same time good because then I know I can transform that energy. It is like being grossed out to find out one's home is infected with bad germs but relieved to know it can be fixed instead of waiting until someone becomes unhealthy from it. I guess even as I become more sensitive I become more resistant as I simply cannot stand to be around the bad stuff.

re: relinquishing personal power - I personally favor those who suggest humans are finally to become the co-creators we were intended to, not to follow blindly and subserviently but instead ally with the Divine. Lessor partners but still partners with free will.

[rumpel]

13. as a different perspective

I have only started reading the messages from the various channels a couple of years perhaps, and by no means know much of them.

I come from a different perspective. I was born catholic, and since I did not grow up in the US, I went to a school where we actually had a mandatory class for protestants and catholics. There we "learned", in my case, the catholic philosophy, which I totally rejected, as I found it to be illogical. At 14 we were allowed to opt out of the class, and I did. I pestered and peppered Father B., with questions he could not answer, just as my older brother did - only to learn years later, he stepped out of church himself and got married! :rofl:

Therefore, (not because Father B. got married) but because of the fear based teachings among many other disagreeable factors, about "God", as taught - I am now, perhaps allergic to the word "God" itself.

I do not believe that there is a personified being above and beyond, who wants us to do anything, or decides anything. However, I believe as we are all energy, perhaps we are a particle, so to speak, of All energies. Way back when in my teens (I think I posted this concept a few years back) I envisioned the universe and our existence like this: if the universe was a box, we would be negative and positive energies in the box. The number of each element does not change, however as a collective energy we constantly shift towards a collective negative or collective positive state. At the time Vietnam was just about over, then Marvin Gaye sang "What's Going On", and I strongly felt that the negative has outweighed the positive and there was a need to "balance" it out in order to create a clean environment, equality, justice and peace. To me, the "box" is "God" if you will, I'd rather call it "All That Is".

With that background, to the channels, Christ etc. There are no superhumans, we are all "energy" each of us capable of quite a bit, by making choices, by listening, learning and acquiring wisdom along the way. I also believe "insights", "messages" and perhaps "enlightenment" can be tapped into at anytime ourselves, provided, we are ready to listen to and process the collective energies of the Universe towards what we want to create. Maybe, we actually do it every day...
So if any of the channels or Christ or the Dalai Lama or anyone speak of something that does not resonate it is ok, because we all have our own messages.

Ultimately, is it not our goal to uplift "All That Is" to be in harmony, each in our own way, at whatever level of understanding we find ourselves in?

Yet, in those days I wrote a short fiction piece for a magazine, "A Man Called Zero". I felt, that when we are in perfect balance, that is neither negative or positive, but Zero - this would be utterly boring. No crying no laughing. These days, I think perhaps the state of Zero is total bliss of love as they say - but am not quite sure if I can envision that to be a constant state.

I hope this helps...in some way.

[I Have A Dream]

14. rumpel, what you stated is almost exactly what I believe also. nt

[rumpel]

16. :)

:hug:

[Fire Walk With Me]

15. Talk you your local recovering addict. God is indeed in existence, and is also active

and is interested in every single minute part of Creation. I'd be dead right now if not, as my disease is guaranteed fatal. There is a specific path of action that must be taken for the 12-step programs to be of benefit, and as the universe is an energy exchange system, right action benefits the one that acts, and those they benefit as well. Selfish acts separate us from the grace and presence of God. Redemption from selfish acts, often fatally overwhelming amounts, is something that makes me very happy, and also confident in at least this aspect of Creation.

Hindus call God the manifest and unmanifest (Upanishads). So part of God is out there, beyond the universe, untouchable by whatever happens here. As you have said, everything in the Universe is God, and God is aware of all relations that occur and of everything involved. God has a plan of some sort, which is likely the full flowering of each particle into its maximum capacity. God learns through us, and has ever-new joy (I believe Yogananda coined that last part). God is willing to share, guide, and teach, and to be present in our lives, but due to free will, shall never interfere without being asked. I was taught that God will not share anything that will damage you, but that there is always plenty of energy, insight, perspective, support, and experience available for what works for you as an individual. And you must align your will to God for any functionaly association to occur.

Negativity, which is our right due to free will, also has a course of development, which requires parasitizing the energy of other beings or to be consistently given offerings in order to maintain continuity. One text said that the greatest evils are those that maintain some amount of good karma from the initial realization of the universe, and are aware of the limit where there is no turning back. They are happy to gradually lead others further into karmic debt than the system allows, however. Two texts say that we go up and down the evolutionary ladder, with bacteria being at the bottom of consciousness, and that below that, there is a point where the energy of a being will be "recycled". This may be the "Judgement" of which many texts speak.

This is my limited experience. I'm just a student, which is why I'm interested in bouncing these things off of others, to gain and share. I'm happy to let this thread die, however, as I'm making great progress into light every day, and the fear is leaving me. Thanks to all who have helped!!!

[rumpel]

17. what if

the "grid" is All That Is that connects us all sentient beings?

I do not equate negative energy to bad or positive energy to good per se - we all swing all over the place with every thought...and it's resulting actions.

[Fire Walk With Me]

18. Transcending the polarities and their attractions (and the binding results) is desirable.

God is what is outside of the Universe, when we get tired of it (or surpass it, then wish to stay to help).

Of course, the enlightened on the negative path also stay, and work for the destruction of Creation.

I prefer God's will to any dilly-dallying around within the polarities. That's just me. I'm done with negativity. It is too intensely awful, once you've known the light. And I am not so far into the light, and already feel that way...