A new Matthew message is up.

[GardeningGal]

I found this one helpful after the massive tornado here in Colorado.

http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=88&z=2

[I Have A Dream]

1. Thanks, GardeningGal! I've been checking for it for a while now.

:)

[PinkTiger]

2. I'm a bit ticked.

It is obvious that the Matthew writer favors Barack Obama. This is a bit far-fetched and over the top.

[TNOE]

5. Pink

Don't you think Hillary has proved herself at this point as just another Neocon? I don't want to upset or anger you, but why exactly do you still think that she would be anything different besides what we have now?

[PinkTiger]

6. No, I do not and I am very offended by your notion of this.

I think I am beginning to see that the Democratic Party under BO is not the Party I joined. And there are those who agree with me, buster, so just be clear.
What I am calling out here is the notion that someone can hide behind Matthew and push an agenda like this. You will all be surprised and saddened to find out, I'm sure, what BO is really made of. It ain't pretty by a long shot.

This whole place makes me sick.

[TNOE]

7. Wow

well - I'm NOT a "buster" and I think you are wrong - and hopefully for all our sakes - you are. As far as I know - the Democratic party is about the middle class and the people NOT the corporations - and that seems to be to me who Barack is speaking to. So I'm not sure what or who you thought the party was about - but I don't want it to be the War Party - or the Torture Party - or the Corporate Fascist Party.

You are just "assuming" the writer is biased - when perhaps he is just speaking the truth. He has said for years there would be no Iran war - and despite all the blustering, there hasn't been.

And, I'm sorry you are so angry about the outcome. I, on the other hand, feel that we as a country have been blessed. That our call out to the Universe for a change in direction and leadership has been answered.

[PinkTiger]

8. Whatever.

You just believe that you are right and everyone who disagrees is wrong. Why else would you post what you posted to me? You are very unkind and unfair. Welcome to my ignore list.

[Name removed]

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[TNOE]

10. I'm neither

unkind or unfair. You are just very angry and disappointed and are taking that out on me. I think you will wind up quite pleased with an Obama presidency. I do believe I am right and I do believe you are wrong, based soley on Hillary's actions in this campaign. And, I imagine that your "ignore" list is very long - so its fine with me to be on it. I spoke very kindly to you and it was not accepted with kindness. That is obviously your failing. Happy trails.

[TNOE]

11. I now see Hillary just brought up the assination of

RFK again - anyone who still can support this woman now needs their heads examined. SHE does not fit with the democratic party - she needs to go and she can take her supporters with her.

[midnight]

12. Hi PinkTiger. I'm not sure about Mr.Obama.

would you like to comment further about your comments of being supprised and saddened.

[PinkTiger]

14. I don't think this thread is the place.

However, I will post my feelings on this on my blog. I will send you a link.

[VeraAgnes]

17. Matthew is really just a character

of someones imagination.......like from a play or book or maybe a "soap opera" would be most fitting. I do say, I have enjoyed the occasional Matthew story in the past.

[mysticalchick]

21. And you know this how?

Matthew is really just a character of someones imagination.......like from a play or book or maybe a "soap opera" would be most fitting. I do say, I have enjoyed the occasional Matthew story in the past.

I can appreciate that we all have differing opinions as to what is true for us but to present it as FACT when you don't know that seems a bit ... disrespectful to those of us who may believe otherwise.

As one (of many on this board) who can communicate with those in Spirit, I rather dislike being told that it's all my imagination when I know otherwise. I'm not saying you have to believe it without question and I wouldn't tell that to ANYone about ANY belief. I'd say that if it doesn't resonate with you, by all means, find something that does. But be respectful of other opinions and present yours as exactly that - an opinion. I don't usually go around preaching about stuff like this but I really took offense to what you said (which is unusual for me) and wanted to speak to it.

That said, this message felt more coherent and peaceful so perhaps Suzy is getting her energy back and again becoming as clear as she can to bring through the info.

What I take from the Matthew messages, overall, is to just stay out of the fear. And trust.

[Proud_Lefty]

3. Thanks for posting this

I truly look forward to Matthews messages. I love the way he explains the divine purpose behind the tragedies and how people's souls are actually advanced. It helps accept those realities that much better.

[TNOE]

4. I did love hearing this

8. Attention is being given around the globe to the United States presidential candidates. Despite the rigged primary elections to favor Hillary Clinton and John McCain’s supporters waffling because he himself waffles, soon it will be glaringly apparent that Barack Obama’s greater popularity among voters will be sustained. Thus free will choices of the majority have been made and now, without influencing those choices one whit, we can reveal that in the energy field of potential, Obama’s momentum always was unstoppable, and we can tell you that this highly evolved soul with many lifetimes as a wise and just leader came from a spiritually and intellectually advanced civilization specifically to rise to his current prominence. At soul level he knows this is his mission, but consciously he is aware only of his innate leadership abilities and genuine intent to serve his nation as he so states; in time he will become consciously aware of his origin and purpose for embodying in this lifetime. Once he is in office, some darkly-intentioned persons expect to control him just as they and others before them have controlled a succession of US presidents and many members of Congress. However, that vicious kind of governing is at an end, and contrary to the protestations of Hillary Clinton that this race is not over, she and other top Illuminati know they are witnessing the demise of their “secret government”; therefore, the Obama family members are among the most intensely light-protected persons on Earth.

[Nia Zuri]

13. I have felt for some time that this is indeed who he is.

I believe he is evolved which is why he has such high ideals and can take the high road. He is going to help us usher in a new age. I wondered if he was perhaps a walk in. He speaks of a turning point in his life when he felt his destiny and changed the way that he comported himself, he got serious in preparation for making a difference in the world.

[VeraAgnes]

18. "Beam me up Scotty"

:woohoo: :applause: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Proud_Lefty]

19. One of the things very special about this forum

is allowing people to think outside the box without fear of being belittled by others. It has been such a safe place for free thinkers that I truly admire. Although I don't post much, I've enjoyed reading so many different ways of believing. That sharing seems to be a lot more guarded these days. What a shame! There's such wonderful light on this forum that shouldn't be shielded.

[PinkTiger]

20. Take me with you, Vera

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::puke:

[Nia Zuri]

22. Now, if Matthew was "pro Hillary", it would be a different story.

Seriously, it's really not nice to poke fun when you guys are laying tarots, doing charts, etc. in support of Hillary the same beam me up shit could absolutely be said for you and your perspective. Just allow me to share my feelings without attacking as you have accused others of doing to you. I think there is something very, very special about Obama. I didn't always think so, but have come to believe that he is a visionary and in a sense was "sent here" for a purpose. I do believe that he has a date with destiny and that he will be our next president he is going to lead us to a better place and that as someone mentioned earlier, you will be pleasantly surprised. Fire away!

[PinkTiger]

23. OK, I'll play.

And you know this how?
Let me tell you what I'm thinking -- now if I'm wrong, please tell me, and I'll hush. But I'm thinking that what may be going on here is that so many democrats are hoping and praying for a leader like this to rise within our ranks, that the temptation to project what we want our leaders to be, whether they have those characteristics or not, is strong.
And lest you think I have done with with HRC, let me assure you that no, I have not. I know that she is a flawed human being. She is not a savior or the second coming, she is a woman. But you see, I feel she is the one best able to get elected, and the best one to run this country right now. Now, that is my opinion, and I realize that you respectfully disagree, and I give you that. You have my permission to feel otherwise. OK? But, I do have a little ability in the precognition department, and I can tell you my feelings about anyone who is put up as some beacon of truth is probably a false feeling and is suspect. I know this because when I was younger and less discerning, I put my faith in false gods. I call them that because that is what they were. I trusted in them and they let me down. And some of them were candidates.
Barack Obama may be a great man, but his time has not yet come, I do not feel. That is my opinion. He has a lot of growth to do. And it is scary, to me about the people who are pushing him to this office that he is not ready for.
That is my opinion. You wanted to play, and I'm playing.
And yes, I have read Tarots, but if you read my tarots, they are not readings that push one candidate over another.
They are readings of the question only.
I don't do charts, as I'm not an astrologer. My knowledge of that art is limited.
OK, I've said what i have to say.
I'm sorry if it makes you feel bad that I don't agree with you. Barack Obama was not sent here to save us. Nothing about him is all that special. He is a man, and he is flawed. Like we all are. The fear I have is that so many are putting unreal hopes on a man who is certain to have feet of clay, as do we all.

[Nia Zuri]

27. I did not have a strong feeling about Obama until 2/5

I was a heavy duty Edwards supprter and had been for over a year. I was impressed by his antipoverty platform and his progressive stance on ohter matters. His willingness to admit that the IWR vote was a big error in judgment. A few years ago I really thought Hillary was awesome, it wasn't until she voted for the IWR that I began to have doubts. Early in the campaign I did not care for Obama. I thought he was a lightweight and an upstart. I also found him to not be progressive enough for my tastes. I totally dismissed him. It wasn't until I heard him speak on 2/5 did I really get a feeling for what he was all about and who he was. I have to say that this strong feeling came out of left field because as I said I was for Edwards all the way. I don't pretend to know the future, but my intuition tells me that he is the real deal & I tend to be pretty accurate in terms of reading people. It's funny because the same dark feelings you have for Obama, I have for Clinton, only probably worse. I won't articulate it here, but she takes me to a bad and scary place.

[Why Syzygy]

43. My feelings

for Obama are not self manufactured either. OTOH, I don't get any bad vibes.

Some of their stuff absolutely chokes me up. I don't respond like that to artificial pandering.

Example.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/29/33133/3956/139/524643

Fear is the reason this country is where it is today. Fear is a useless emotion.

Don't ever make decisions based on fear. Make decisions based on hope and possibility. Make decisions based on what should happen, not what shouldn't.

Don't ever make decisions based on fear.

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[Flying Dream Blues]

28. This response really is not in keeping with the spirit of this forum.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but this is one place where alternative beliefs are presumed to be respected. Did you not realize this?

[PinkTiger]

29. The alternative belief, I believe, is not the subject of the roflmao.

You are misinterpreting the post.
And when the beliefs of all of us are respected, then you can expect your due.
I swear to God, sometimes I think I'm back in Frigging Church, and have to kneel at the cross in this place! Lighten up, bun heads!!!!

[LWolf]

24. That really disturbed me.

I'm very intuitive, and generally read people correctly, even if that doesn't become evident until later on. Obama has set off all of my alarms from the first time I heard him speak.

Does that mean that I'm now working against the light, if I trust my intuition, which has served me so well for a lifetime?

Does it mean that he will somehow change his path for the better once he is consciously aware of his origin and purpose for this lifetime?

I HAVE recognized that the energy he attracts is positive. I just haven't been able to find a legitimate foundation for that attraction.

I haven't taken sides in the primary wars, not finding what I'm looking for in either one of them.

I usually find Matthew's messages informative and uplifting. This time, I didn't. It leaves me in a place of self-doubt and distrust of everything and everyone, including myself.

[PinkTiger]

25. I don't think so, LWolf.

None of us are all knowing and infallible. I also have the alarms going off, and they are loud. I will send you a link to my full impression.

[DemExpat]

40. It does not bother me to hear of exact opposite intuitions and "visions"

about OTHER people.

I DO trust my intuitions that have served me very well all my life, and in this case of Obama, my alarm bells have also been ringing since his entrance into the election.

I choose the flawed and feisty woman Hillary Clinton who I think will get the most done for the most benefit. More of a pragmatic choice than an idealistic one, except for the wonderful milestone of a woman reaching such a position! She has done so well to come this far, no matter what the outcome is......

All of our hopes of OTHERS being the chosen, special ones are false hopes IMO, and it is in all of our paths (at least this is my path at this time) to find the reality and truth in the lesson that we can only learn to listen to and trust ourselves, OUR spirits, IMHO. So when I hear of other people's differing intutions, I see this as simply THEIR lessons to learn from, just as mine are my teachers.

When has there ever been a political leader that has truly been able to change the dualisms, power structures and divisions in our world?

This deep and I feel healthy distrust I have of this huge movement of mass popularity, belief in and adoration of this flawed man Obama is probably exactly what makes my alarm bells ring in a deafening tone.

I don't buy into it.


:hug:

DemEx

[LWolf]

45. You've voiced what my gut tells me very well.

I don't have an ax to grind; I don't have a preferred nominee in the race. It's that mass movement you refer to that rings all the alarm bells.

In a year that we should be rising to take back what's been lost, to heal and to grow, I feel like we're on the wrong path.

Just me.

:hug:

[PinkTiger]

46. thanks to both of you for posting.

It's very lonely out here sometimes.

[Proud_Lefty]

30. Someone emailed me this today

I guess Matthew isn't alone on how he sees the outcome. I don't know anything about this conference, but I thought of this particular thread when I read it and thought many of you would be interested in it.

ELECTION UPDATE FROM UAC CONFERENCE

Perhaps you have already heard the news? It was reported in various media around the country. The international, United Astrology Conference had a panel of seven astrologers, including one from Turkey, who gave their analyses of who would win the Presidential election. In all fairness, I must preface their conclusions, by reiterating what was said repeatedly during the panel.

1) We do not have good charts for ANY of the candidates. Although a new time for Obama was reported with a higher accuracy at the conference (7:11 PM), all the candidates have questionable birth times, which makes a huge difference to a chart.

2) We are still missing important information, specifically the charts for when the candidates will be nominated by their parties (very important!).

3) Election day looks highly questionable. As I’ve already reported in the newsletter, this date is filled with a high level of deceitful actions, leading me to expect fraud. Mercury is retrograde that day, suggesting we won’t know the winner when we go to bed, or if we do, a recount may prove otherwise, Plus we have an exact Saturn opposition to Uranus, suggesting a major upset or “political earthquake”. Worst of all, we have a falling out (Orange Final Result) until the Time-Out starts, which lasts most of the day. This suggests that “nothing may come” of the results, again leading me to wonder if we will have to do a recount or even have another election.


4) The Inauguration chart for the new President will be during a Time-Out (making it hard for the new President to accomplish much). However, technically the Moon makes an aspect to one of the angles of the chart, so I think it should still be OK.


I must say that I was astonished with the results, since all seven of them came to the same conclusion. I have never witnessed an election panel that had all seven members concurring, so this was new. I have seen all the election panels at astrology conferences since 1992.


All seven of the panelists concluded that Obama would be elected. We’ll see what happens! And remember, we don’t yet know the full story, since we’re still missing some charts. But at this point in time, the data looks strong for Obama.

______________________________________________
TED KENNEDY

The last Full Moon had the Sun and Moon at 29 degrees (the final degree of any sign) of Taurus and Scorpio respectively. I thought we might see some companies at the end of their rope, (Q2 Newsletter), but instead it looks like one our leaders is at the end of his rope. The Sun in charts like that represents leaders and/or organizations. Scorpio is the sign associated with death and dying, rebirth and transformation, so the Scorpio Full Moon suggests that something or someone is either dying or will be transformed. This is certainly the case with Ted Kennedy being diagnosed with a brain tumor.

Although I do not have Ted Kennedy’s chart yet, we can be assured that since this development was announced so close to the Full Moon that he is at the end of his career, if not near the end of his life. Whether or not he dies from this tumor, I feel sure it will reveal some much needed information to the public. Even his health crisis seems to be in service to the public.

If you are inclined to do so, please send him some healing energies and prayers for his journey, whichever way he’s headed. He’s done a lot to get important bills passed by finding common ground where others couldn’t see it. He deservesour gratitude and thanks no matter which party you belong to.

[Grateful for Hope]

31. Thanks for posting this, Proud_Lefty

I do not know astrology at all, but the general gist is very much in keeping with what I have thought would happen. I do think Obama will be the nominee, and, I also think he will have a very rough road to hoe if he is elected. That said, I do hope that our Dem candidate is elected.

Ted Kennedy: I don't think he will survive this illness (I have had this thought since I first heard his diagnosis). I really hope (and am sending him some healing energies) that he will, but, I have had a gut feeling that this will not be the case.

I also think that he will take this time to do something extremely positive for America. I have a feeling that he, being the very progressive senator that we all have loved, may want us to know some things before his time of passing.

Senator Ted Kennedy is an amazing man.

[Proud_Lefty]

35. I agree , Hope

Senator Kennedy is so incredible and holds something very special he shared with his brothers. He's done so much for our country when so many around him have seemed so out of touch. I'm sure the light being sent his way will carry him through.

[PinkTiger]

32. I give up.

Have it your way. Sure. Everyone says Obama the great prophet and precious one will win, all the other bad suckers, who are shitty people for even thinking about running against him, will lose and they and their supporters will die from the bites of 1,000 fleas.
I hereby apologize to all you great, wonderful people who are so enlightened, for ever thinking that anyone else was even worthy.

God save us all.

[Nia Zuri]

37. Have an open mind Pink.

Maybe, just maybe you are wrong about Obama. Maybe just maybe things are not what they seem. I say that knowing I would have an equally hard time with those thoughts if my favored candidates were in the same place.

[PinkTiger]

38. What makes you think my mind is closed?

What makes you think your mind is open?
I love how you people constantly suppose that you know everything you think you know.

[Nia Zuri]

39. Good point.

I do sometimes assume that those who are so negative towards Obama are reacting from a visceral, enotional level and are completely closed off to him as an option. I know there are some who feel that he is undeserving & is some kind of usurper. You are right in that I shouldn't make that assumption about you or anyone else. Perhaps you've made deliberate careful comparisons between the two and as not rejecting Obama based on a reaction to external factors such as race or gender. if so, my apologies.

[PinkTiger]

41. Well, thanks for that.

No, I haven't rejected him on race or gender. I'm not even sure "reject" is the term. I am very bothered, though, by those who tend to put him on some pedestal and fail to see that he is a human being, and cannot fulfill their hopes and dreams. No one candidate can.
I also think we need to look carefully at who can get elected, and I don't think he can be. The "visceral, emotional" responses, while not mine, will reverberate across middle America and he will lose.

[Dover]

33. I don't understand why people assume this election won't be stolen

or isn't the result of manipulation (regardless of who 'wins').

What's changed in the election system since 2000 to change the reliability of the outcome?

And I'm kind of fascinated with the fact that virtually NONE of the candidates' charts are reliable.
Not to mention all the difficult and unpredictable transits between now and the inauguration date. Expect the unexpected with the Uranian influences...which is not to say that surprises lead to negative results.
Often, even upsetting situations are liberating after the dust settles. But it would be a mistake to cling too desperately to the status quo and business as usual. I really think it's time to throw out notions that things will ever 'return' to 'normality' or the way things were prior to Bush, as far as what our lives will be like. Bush was just the harbinger...and not coincidentally, his favorite activity was 'clearing brush'. They've cleared a lot of 'brush' in eight years, bulldozer style. And the earth will have its changes too.

And do people really think Pluto in Capricorn is going to be a cake walk? That our current way of life, our institutions and the very infrastructure that makes it all hold together are somehow going to get a pass from Pluto? That the current power structure will become a socialist organization regardless of who is selected as president? Have people read anything about the astrological implications of Pluto through Capricorn, or any of the other important transits going on? Of course there are very positive and very negative things all going on at the same time, as always...and all is, cosmically and spiritually speaking, as it should be. The astrological and intuitive messages I and so many others get do not support a 'business as usual' situation ahead on any level.

[Proud_Lefty]

34. You make a lot of great points

As I was watching Recount on HBO the other day, I remembered the extreme pain I felt during those days. I then remembered the high hopes we all had that Kerry would win in 2004. Despite everything going our way, at an instant, it all changed and Kerry, like Gore, conceded so readily when the people were ready to fight for democracy and the multitudes were left shell shocked, wondering what the hell happened. It wasn't Kerry's election to throw, it was ours. I now wonder if it would even be worthwhile to hold any hopes this year that anything would be different, as you say. Will democracy really would be served in its truest sense of the word? As we know, our democracy has been sold out from underneath us. At this point, all we have left is believing in the Universe and that all is in divine order, even the most miserable parts. When I look in that direction, I know there has to be hope somewhere, hopefully this November or sometime too far off in the immediate future.

[Dover]

36. Disillusionment is the result of false realities

I think we will continue to have our illusions stripped away until individually and collectively we
find, not hope, but truth and reality. That is the evolutionary journey of the soul...and that's what Pluto represents.

[dbt]

15. I was shocked by the casual mention of weather control:

"Even the lamentable fact that weather technology used with malevolent intent was a major factor in both events..." leaped right off the page at me, by nature of the very offhand way it was presented. I don't get strong impressions about very many things, but weather control is right up there at the top of my list--it raises the hair on my arms and the back of my neck the way snakes and spiders frighten some people: instant horror and revulsion.

And now, to read that "technology" (what? Chemtrails and HAARP and scalar waves and Goddess-knows what else?) played a part in such MASSIVE trauma to Humans AND Earth just FILLS me with loathing and dread. This crap has been going on, both in front of our eyes and behind our backs, for at least ten years now and anyone who dares to speak of it is usually reviled as a nutcase.

The only thing of which I AM certain concerning weather control by Humans is that no good will come of it. There are some (read: many) things best left to Mother!

SIDEBAR: May peace soon come upon all who are being wounded by this election.

dbt

[Delphinus]

16. Ah, dbt,

what a wonderful (sidebar) sentiment. Very heartfelt. Thank you. :hug:

[Callie McAllie]

26. kick

[loudsue]

42. Good timing! Thanks for posting this new message.

I've missed these messages for the past few months.

:kick: