ufo vision

[undergroundpanther]

Hey I had a vision a few days ago.Thought I'd share it.
It was triggered when I heard about Britain releasing all those UFO files it held in secret for years. I heard also the pope is saying it's ok for catholics to believe in aliens...this is very weird for I had a vision about that in the 80's..anyway..

Something is going to happen pretty soon. It is not on December 2012 it will be sporadic and a big showy event too. More like 2 things happening at the same time .Both are alien related events. One will be very public so obviously a alien visitation that no one can say isn't there or isn't real..But what I learned is that one is to be a manipulating alien situation(or one that is not good for us).And it will be used to rouse people to war eventually..And these visits will be all over the news and the people who saw it too.

We are being prepared for this occurrence. Psychologically set up for it.We have been increasingly acclimated to the idea of 'friendly aliens"..It's going to fool alot of people and it will not go well for them that seek these events out,but they will not know it's so wrong and they will seek contact,and it will change them in a bad way that won't feel bad to them by time people figure out the visitation is harmful and /or fake,or wrong alot of people will be hurt, changed, dead or gone,and many will fear aliens but will act like they are accepting of them.But do not be convinced of the genuineness of this faked alien occurrence..

Because meanwhile..starting immediately after this big show..

There will be another less visible, arrival/rescue with alien beings that want to help,they will not look like what anyone expects aliens to look like that is the first tip off the event is genuine.
Some of these beings won't even be in bodies.This arrival won't be a "ship" it will be through a dimensional hole or a portal. It will be less showy ,less obviously seen, it may be around magnetic vortices's or electrically charged places and out of the way locales or hidden in plain sight places. The forces already there be it electrical or magnetic may trigger anxiety or fear, realize it is just electric or magnetic influences causing the feelings..

A small 'sign' or urge will draw you to the right place,and you will see it or it means you are even to go with them, your body may drop off behind you and die as you walk into the portal, the bodies found will be dead but in a strange state, not decomposing the normal way..and that visitation will be a real one to look out for. You might be woke up in the middle of the night to go, you may have to split work the urge will be so intense.

Once a significant amount of people start realizing they've been duped they will not go to the big showy events in as huge numbers .They instead will seek out the real deal but they won't be able to find it because a person has to be 'called' to the meeting place. People can't invoke them or beg or pray to make them come to them. The governments will be aware of this after awhile and will try to interfere,by hassling you with cops,by roadblocks or other means.Eventually there will be crackdowns curfews on people walking around at night.Because of the bodies left behind will eventually be found when someone goes through these portals, the laws on movement and such will be justified in the minds of lawmakers and scared people.


Meanwhile transportation will get more costly and harder to do. This is on purpose. There are forces in this world that do not want us to get out.There will be for the observant at night something they may have intuited but never physically saw it before in the sky shimmering faintly or in motion like light playing off the lines of a spiderweb.The light will look blue/silver, no longer gold like to those who may see it now.That criss crossing lines in the sky is the grid.The cage bars.Clouds will obscure it from view.This is because the forces holding that grid in place are breaking up.


Alot of people because it's going to be such a pain to get anywhere may end up walking to meet the beings and the portal.
Guided by intuition alone.The urge to go NOW.. will be very strong and insistent,an I have to go NOW sort of urgency..and once you start moving it will be like directions to where to go FOR YOU,are being downloaded into your head as you leave on a turn by turn basis..it will be confirmed via symbolic landmarks,animals leading and images matching up..I don't know how to explain that part.There will not be big crowds at these meetings, unlike the bad/fake visitation.. most meetings will be with only one person and from what I saw no more than three or four people at once, most of the groups were of friends ,couples or families..

I dunno if this type of event will come to pass or not, but I thought I would share it here anyway because it might be useful..or it could be a load of bull.I dunno.Time will tell.

[midnight]

1. The thought about transportation getting to be so costly that

many will be walking sounds about right. What the heck is going on with oil prices? Through the roof. A few years ago I had a dream that I was at some kind of event outside. Lots of people were excited about something landing. I couldn't see it in my dream but knew something was coming from above. Then this women in front of me turned around. She had red hair. I knew she was an alien and I could of cared less. She told me that the seeds were to be gathered. She also expressed ways to improve myself. Something that did make me uncomfortable. Change is not easy. Today I have a small garden.

[undergroundpanther]

4. cool dream

but than again improve yourself? How?

What gets me is people can talk alot about making changes(especially expressing to others THEY should change). Often people have no clue how to change themselves,or even know what they may desire to change really,or if change is what they want at all..Some just feel pushed to change something,anything just to relieve amorphous guilt at being still or not 'moving forward or "ascending""fast (whatever that means)or something like that.I notice most"changes" people talk around is diet,ecological stuff or trying to force themselves to be "positive" when they don't feel that way. It's kinda sad.

I feel like people are convinced they are insufficient as they ARE.
And certain belief systems reinforce that anxiety.And force a desire for change for reasons that may not be good.

Hope your little garden is flourishing, if that is the change you felt that would help,go for it let it bloom!.

[Fire Walk With Me]

2. The world is our responsibility. The ascension is our responsibility.

Eaties go home.

[undergroundpanther]

3. I don't believe your statements.

The world is our responsibility.
I am not responsible for this world it was here before I was born, it will be here when I am dead.

The ascension is our responsibility.
To ascend means you are moving away from something else.If "Good" or "the light" is all the same one being/force, than what the hell is there to "ascend" TO? Or ascend away FROM?

Did you ever think about the meanings and flawed logic in statements you say?


For me choice wasn't part of being born here.My parents had sex, I was made a prisoner here. I remember how I got here I don't have to tell myself lies to pretty up a pig..I was captured and forced into a fetus.There was NO CHOICE for me.I fought but could not escape..

I am NOT responsible for this violent sick sad world's problems or the psychopathy problem or the idiocy of some people I never met and what the world does. I have complex PSTD,I did not choose to be raped, bullied ,neglected and such as a kid.
Nor am I "grateful" to torturers who messed my head up.Love does NOT have to teach lessons by torturing and shattering souls if it is LOVE or good.. Out of consideration I do not force "light and love" onto other beings because they might not WANT that.Nor do I guilt trip beings with laying such a terrible burden on them telling them they alone are responsible for every bad thing that happens in this world to themselves or other beings.WE are NOT in Control of EVERYTHING not by a long shot. We have a little bit of control and that isn't reliable...If you believe that you are in so much control try not taking a pee for two days and see how much of a master of reality you are.Ever hear of the just world hypothesis? You got a BAD case of it.
http://www.sociopathic.net/rants/justworld.htm

New age fuck-wads who prattle on about choice and responsibility are really vile spewing poisonous beliefs about reality that HURT because they are NOT TRUE at their core.
yet this narcissistic forgiveness is all about pretending control and denial of reality in a spiritual construct devoid of human justice.So Don't give me this crap about controlling reality if you wish hard enough, that is sickening..


But, none of this changes the fact that reality is absolute. This was what Plato meant when he was distinguishing knowledge from opinion.

Consider Shirley MacLaine's words:

"I really think we are all creating our own reality. I think I'm creating you right here. Therefore I created the medium, therefore I created the entity, because I'm creating everything."
-- quoted by Henry Gordon, Channeling Into the New Age, 1991 edition, p.162

I could legitimately say that I created the Statue of Liberty, chocolate chip cookies, the Beatles, terrorism, and the Vietnam War. I couldn't really say for sure whether anyone else in the world had actually experienced those things separately from me because those people existed as individuals only in my dream.
-- Shirley MacLaine, It's All in the Playing

Here we have New Age subjectivism taken to its utmost limit, or perhaps one might say its logical conclusion. The viewpoint that one is the sole being in the Universe and that all else is an illusion for one's own entertainment is called solipsism. It is such a slippery argument that one really can't disprove it philosophically to someone who stubbornly clings to the idea -- in fact, if a person claims that the whole of "reality" is confined to his or her imagination, then indeed there is little reason to discuss anything at all. But, solipsism is a pretty shallow viewpoint, and following it isn't going to improve anyone's daily life. If your car doesn't start, you won't have much luck if you believe your car works despite the annoying fact that it doesn't -- instead, check your battery, fuel, starter, carburetor, etc. Likewise, no amount of wishing will restore a faulty network connection -- but checking wiring, hardware diagnostics, software configuration, and server function will. People don't "create their own reality"; that's simply not how the world works, and it does no good to pretend it does. People, as creatures endowed with free will, participate in a common reality, one which is governed by physical laws. To a New Ager, that may sound like a dreadfully boring world view -- but reality is incomparable. Life itself is a miracle, is that not good enough? The bare facts are, one cannot change the physical world by mental gymnastics in the way one can do so in a lucid dream. In fact, the Gods Themselves must work within the laws of physics They established -- until such time, of course, as They might decide to apply eraser to drawing board... There is no shame in being wrong about something because of bad data or an unnoticed flaw in otherwise well-reasoned logic; but to abandon reality for self-delusion is a sad cop-out.

http://www.geocities.com/athens/parthenon/7273/newage.htm

[Fire Walk With Me]

6. Thanks for your point of view.

Argue for your limitations, and there they are. -Jonathan Livingston Seagull.

[undergroundpanther]

7. deny reality

but still you cannot fly by your own power alone by jumping off a building, gravity always wins here,still your dna designs your body like it or not,still cells die,limitations are the burden of being a spirit trapped in physicality.For some they like it, for me it is hell.

Just because I see my limits does not mean my mind is here it means I am in a body and I can imagine and focus will but this reality is not putty in my hands it has an agenda that is quite un concerned about how I feel or what I would want, need or prefer. Abuse of power is very common in this world and it is those who think they are invulnerable in control masters of reality,that reality will just bend to the force of their wishing upon stars who convince themselves they are ,pure and 'enlightened' that tend to have the sorts of belief systems that blame victims for being in pain and make sure justice never happens because we all created the situations we find ourselves in so why bother. There would be no justice in this world at all if we all played make believe that we controlled reality,and chose our misfortunes and that is not a reality I could feel safe being in.Beliefs like what you espoused in your first post is also what kind of thinking rationalizes horrible unjust limiting things like caste systems, hierarchies and classes.
Which incidentally is a core tenet of the sickening belief system called conservatism..

[BanzaiBonnie]

5. There is much truth in your dream

At least that's my read on it.


I am practicing opening to SV (Star Visitors) and had an interesting experience a few nights ago.

I saw a whole group of SVs. Some were large, some smaller, different sizes and it looked to me like a family type group. My really psychic friend said it's more like a pod. And that jibes with what I got, that they're related somewhat to dolphins. Their atmoshpere is more liquid-like and when they move around it looks like the drawing on the top. I didn't see feet or the bottom part of their bodies.

I have a jpeg of the drawing I made of what they look like. I don't know if I can or how to put it up on this page, so write me privately if you want to see what they look like.

I got some information about these SV myself and then my friend told me this was a group of tourists and I'm like a footnote on the brochure. Be sure and stop by Bonnie's home. I asked if they knew that I could see them. She said they did know and it was exciting for them. Like when we go to the zoo and see the lions roar, "She saw us".

LOL --- Just what I always wanted to be, a galactic roadside attraction. It's okay. I am not offended.


I understood telepathically that they are just really curious about us. It's like visiting a foreign country to see how the natives live.

BB