Don't identify too closely with your Sun sign.

[ricochetastroman]

Sun signs are like noses. Everybody has one. It is only natural in such a complex study as astrology to try to simplify it by identifying with your Sun sign. Some Virgos are much like the archetype, some not. Many, many factors in a person's natal chart can make you much like your sign or not. A Sun sign is AN ARCHETYPE OF ENERGY. Most of us are infused with 4 or 5 SIGNS strongly. We are a complex mix. It takes a good bit of training in astrology to ascertain just what signs are strong in your chart. Surely, many articles are written about Sun signs and even joked about. But, the thing to remember is that it is an ENERGY - a generic undertone.
Therefore, many times when I speak of Gemini, I am talking about the general Geminian energy - not specifically about a person who has that "Sun sign".

Archetypal forces lie deep within us and map the basic needs and desires of being human. The need to assert (Aries), need to possess (Taurus & Scorpio), need to excel (Capricorn), to perfect (Virgo), etc. etc.

Many things in your chart can give you "other" attributes, i.e., your Moon placement, your rising sign, close conjunctions of planets, planets near your 4 "angles" and many other factors. You cannot ascertain this from a computer program reading or a poor astrologer. It must be read in terms of "weighting" from a qualified astrologer. Even then, it's not easy to do.

I really wish I had the time to peruse all of the charts for the folks out here - yet, I just don't have the time.
Start by going to www.astro.com and getting your free chart done. Study where your planets are and try to figure out which planets are strongly placed. In other words, if you have a strong Saturn, that gives you Capricorn traits (since Saturn rules Capr.) regardless of your "Sun sign". If you have a strategically placed Neptune, you'll receive strong Piscean traits (since Neptune rules Pisces.) Planets near your ascendant, descendant, nadir, or midheaven symbolize another group of "Sun signs" that are strong.

A Sun sign merely means that that sign was the sign the "Sun" was in during your birth. Nevertheless, if you dig deep enough and know where to look, you'll see the Sun sign in everyone you perceive.

All signs ARE POSITIVE. Some aren't expressed in a healthy fashion or are over-used; that's when the negative side of the sign emerges.

I hope that helps some. I know it's very confusing... it just is... keep on reading, it'll help. :crazy:

[Why Syzygy]

1. What arechetype would you

put in (parenthesis) for Libra?

Archetypal forces lie deep within us and map the basic needs and desires of being human. The need to assert (Aries), need to possess (Taurus & Scorpio), need to excel (Capricorn), to perfect (Virgo), etc. etc.

[ricochetastroman]

2. For Libra

it's the need for a sounding board, a social place, to be socially accepted, to find identity through combining with another.
The need for beauty and grace and tact. To carefully assess all situations; weigh things back and forth. To sit on the fence in all matters, they're not made for decision making unless they have a lot of Virgo, for instance.

Mainly, it's the need to find a partner in order use as a sounding board. But moreover, it's the need to COMPARE; Libra finds its identity by comparing to existing social standards.
Hope that helps.
r

[Why Syzygy]

3. That's why

my son and I have endless debate. Both Moons in Libra and his Ascendant also. :nods:

Thanks, Rick. Love your contributions here.

[ricochetastroman]

5. Didn't you used to be VSM?

or am I confused.
Yes, NO SIGN argues more than Libra, only they call it discussion or debate. They have more ego than they want to admit to, in fact, in my opinion, I believe they are the Aries of the second half of the zodiac. They are SMOOTHLY competitive. Pleasant too. Thanks for compliment!

[Why Syzygy]

11. Yes, VSM.

lol . And, yes, we call it "debate". My son gets chided about it at some of his training missions; bringing up alternative views (we also call it).

However, my mother is Libra Sun, and I cannot STAND to "discuss" with her. She's too devious, but I don't know anything about the rest of her chart.

You are quite welcome. This wouldn't be the same forum without you.
I remember the first time you posted, out of curiosity from your site hit counter. :D

[kimmerspixelated]

4. What would you say about Aquarius?

[ricochetastroman]

6. In my opinion

Aquarius is simply two things, and they are a very complex sign.
1. the sign of paradoxes is all about realizing the ramifications of combining two or more ideas
2. recovering the soul's "personal sense of freedom" recently forfeited in the previous sign of Capricorn due to their conformity to society.

[kimmerspixelated]

7. Wow-Interesting..

Do you do readings professionally?

[ricochetastroman]

9. yes I do

look to www.starself.com for more info

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

15. Thank you for this

My husband is a Libra with Libra rising, and this sounds very much like him.

[Sanity Claws]

8. I'd love to hear your archetypes of Gemini and Sag

Also, do you think that a latent archetype can come forward at a different life stage?

[ricochetastroman]

10. Gemini / Sag

both very difficult to talk about. I'm working on a book and the Gemini chapter has been the most challenging. Why? Well, why the Twins? that's why.

Gemini is the bridge between subjectivity and objectivity. They vacilate back and forth quickly like AC current between two poles. Their need is to explore like a butterfly leaping from subject to subject. They're walking encylcopedias.

Sag is like a great big Gemini. Only, world-wide, a bigger arena. Carefree from all the pain and fire of the previous sign of Scorpio. Therefore, they want to explore and grow bigger like their ruler Jupiter - the largest of all planets.

Much more will be covered in the book.

Point 2: a good question. "do you think that a latent archetype can come forward at a different life stage? "

The latent archetype IS ALWAYS coming forth. It certainly appears more poignant at specific times of life than others as the personality is ebbing and flowing with the current trends of the transits at the time. Yet, when we use a wide enough lens to view the Sun sign, it is always "there" and represents one of the very basic urges of the person.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

12. Thanks for this

I realized that I wasn't the typical Aquarian when I figured out my chart back in 1968 (Must've done it right; it matches the astro chart. Since I have a stellum of Jupiter, Mars, and Venus in Pisces, and my Sun is opposite my rising sign, I always figured Pisces had a stronger influence in my chart than it would in a "normal" Aquarian chart.

I didn't realize that planets near ascendant, descendant, nadir, or midheaven strengthens the influence of planets.

I really appreciate this information-guess its time to go back and study my chart some more.

[ricochetastroman]

13. Almost NO ONE is their Sun sign.

You are right in your analysis of your chart. SINCE MY GIRLFRIEND, AN ASTROLOGER OF 35 YEARS, is sitting next to me and is born two weeks before you and on the same year!... I think I know a little about your chart.

Number ONE, Your chart is extremely Plutonian or Scorpionic due to the fact that Pluto opposes the Sun across the ascendant-descendant line. Having natal Jupiter in between Venus and Mars in Pisces is GODSENT. An amazingly powerful spiritual statement. Just lovely. And here to serve all. The Moon in Aries helps you to get some necessary "selfness" yet it is opposite Neptoon giving you even more Piscean qualities!

My translation of all of this may be wrong, but it implies to me that you are "here" in one of your final lifetimes - here to give rather than here to learn.

Another BIG FACT is that your Sun lies almost directy on the descendant. Since the Sun rules Leo, it makes you very LEONINE. Roar!
I wonder if THAT is where you got your dramatic name from?

p.s. Would you please pronounce your name to us phonetically? qqiqa
I THINK that's the ONLY name in the world that has 3 q's in 4 letters! :party:

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

14. Thank you much for this!

I have always felt that Pluto placed where it was meant spiritual enlightenment. Thank you for saying this may be the last lifetime, for this would mean, to me, that I would achieve the goal. And yes, to serve all, to give. I'm sure doing that! And now I understand why I get on so well with my Scorpio brother. Just did the astro chart using my husband's chart and it rang true, in that we are often more one than two.

Ah, now the name. It is the combination of my two spiritual names:

Ayesha (uh YAY shuh)-Arabic for "woman"

Haqqiqa (Ha KEEK ah)-based on the term "Haqq" which means "truth".

Please give your girlfriend my salaams and greetings. I am honored that you took the time to share these insights with me.

[ricochetastroman]

16. In response

"in that we are often more one than two." is so beautifully stated. I wouldn't attempt to interpret the Pluto near your ascendant because it is so robust with meaning. It means many things, I'm sure. It certainly symbolizes a person who has decided to take on her (and the group's) karma head-on. Especially being opposite Chiron. That means "healing thru purifying" which MUST be a major theme in your chart. You heal constantly focusing on purifying; that is central, central, to your chart.

My "girl" Cheryl says salami to you. (my favorite lunchmeat) :wow: