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StoryTeller Donating Member (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:46 PM
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Can you explain a couple of concepts to me, please?
I'm lost on a couple of things I keep reading here:

1) What does "triangulation" and its various forms mean?

2) Why are certain primary states so important? All I know is that here in Nebraska, we hardly count for anything, so I've never paid much attention to how primaries work. Just go do my little patriotic duty in May, because it's what good Americans are supposed to do. And I didn't even vote in the 2004 primaries because I was disgusted with the line up on the ballot for the party I was--at the time--registered with. So how does this primary thing work, anyway?

Thanks!
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:55 PM
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1. Ahm, that will require a couple of long answers.
Edited on Fri Oct-27-06 01:15 PM by TayTay
In a couple of posts from a lot of folks.

Triangulating an issue started hitting the papers in the mid 1990's. President Clinton suddenly had to deal with a Republican Congress that was hell-bent on dumping as much bad press and mud on him as possible. Clinton could no longer pursue 'his agenda' with the Congress, because he didn't have enough votes.

So, how was Bill Clinton to avoid being a lame-duck President only 2 years into his terms. That's where this idear of triangulation comes in. Clinton saw a number of issues that the GOP was pushing and made them his own issues. The GOP was pushing Welfare Reform. Clinton stepped in and made that his priority and pushed Congress to pass his bill on it. It took away the ability of the GOP Congress to threaten him based on support for this issue. Clinton did the same thing with the issue of Gay Marriage. The Defense of Marriage Act passed in 1996 overwhelmingly. (Only 13 Senators or so voted against it, including both MA Sens.)

So, in brief, this means taking your enemies issues out of their hands and adapting them to your use. The fall-out from this is the dreaded, 'Democrats don't stand for anything' leftovers that result from this. If we (Dems) only define ourselves by their (GOP) issues, then, ahm, what are we?

Triangulation is widely praised by DC-based consultants and viewed either suspiciously or with great dislike by a lot of 'rank and file' Democrats. Some think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread and urge other candidates to use it to their advantage. (Pres Clinton told John Kerry in 2004 to use the Gay Marriage issue to his advantage by advocating against legalizing same-sex unions. Kerry, who likes to actually stand for things, refused. Some say good, some say that makes him a bad politician.)
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:58 PM
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2. I'll take the first on triangulation
It had to do with Clinton's strategy dealing with a Republican Congress.

From a wikipedia profile on Dick Morris:

Less sensationalistic but more relevant to political observers was Morris's use of polling data and his "triangulation" strategy in 1995 and early 1996 to outmaneuver Republicans Newt Gingrich and Bob Dole who had won a decisive victory in the 1994 election. Morris led Clinton to co-opt popular Republican initiatives and force the Republicans to justify their unpopular decisions leading to the 1995 government shutdown. Key to this effort was massive early TV advertising in swing states paid for by soft money raised through the Democratic National Committee, which gave Clinton a decisive advantage before Bob Dole won the Republican presidential nomination.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Morris

Another article from The Atlantic

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200501/todd

Clintonism, R.I.P.



How triangulation became strangulation
by Chuck Todd

.....

ith the 2004 election past and the losing party's ritual period of self-appraisal about to yield to George W. Bush's second term, the Democrats appear to have learned two small lessons and to have missed a much larger one. Of the two small lessons, one follows naturally from the other: first, the election demonstrated that the Democrats are becoming less competitive in much of the country, and second, it suggested that they cannot hope to regain the presidency or control of Congress until that changes. The reason they've lost ground, we've been told ceaselessly, is that many Americans believe the party is deficient in "moral values" and cast their votes accordingly. There is some debate about whether values played the decisive role or just a minor one—but no debating that something is wrong.

What's been missing is a discussion of how the Democratic Party arrived at this point; that requires a broader view, encompassing both parties' most recent periods of triumph and focusing particularly on the major difference between the evolving political legacies of George W. Bush and Bill Clinton. As a candidate each sought to distance himself from his party's reigning image—Bush through "compassionate conservatism" and Clinton through a "third way" approach between liberalism and conservatism. Each succeeded well enough to win two terms. And each is now viewed within his party as something close to the ideal.

The difference is that Bush measurably strengthened the Republican Party along the way, whereas Clinton worried mainly about his own political fortunes, to the detriment of his party. Every election under Bush has resulted in Republican gains in Congress; in sharp contrast, Clinton assumed office with his party in control of the House, the Senate, and a majority of governorships, and left it with none of those advantages. Since Clinton, Democratic losses have deepened and broadened to include both subsequent presidential races, in which the Democratic nominees dutifully adopted Clinton's strategy of centrist triangulation. The results so starkly apparent on November 2 should prompt a question that, though still heretical to Democrats, is worthy of being posed here: Is it time to retire Clintonism as a political philosophy?



Later it says that Clintonism means moral ambivalence.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:58 PM
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3. The primary question takes a lot longer to answer
It is the 'red flag in front of the bull' to some of us wonky people. Therefore, I have to think about this and how to write about it. Otherwise, you get the encyclopedia version. (Not good. Too wonky.)
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StoryTeller Donating Member (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:42 PM
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4. Thanks, TayTay and Beachmom
The triangulation explanation was a...sensation!

(Sorry, couldn't resist.) :D

Seriously, that makes sense. I appreciate it, and will await further enlightenment on the matter of primaries.

Thanks for taking time to get me up to speed here--I wasn't kidding when I said I pretty much ignored politics as much as possible until just a few years ago. I feel pretty ignorant at times.

You gals, however, totally ROCK! :)
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