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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 02:38 PM
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FOX NEWS: JK NAILS them to the WALL.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 02:40 PM
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1. What does that mean? n/t
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Democrafty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 02:41 PM
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3. He's kicking their asses. n/t
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 02:40 PM
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2. My mother in law called me to tell me that. I was able to hear it
thru the phone. He was really in fire.
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 02:41 PM
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4. The conference is on Fox and he's ripping them a new a**hole.
Seriously.

I am in awe.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 02:43 PM
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5. It is also on CNN but NOT MSNBC.
Edited on Tue Oct-31-06 02:46 PM by Mass
They talked over his speech.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 02:44 PM
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6. It's on Fox????????
This press conference?:woohoo: :woohoo:
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StoryTeller Donating Member (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 02:47 PM
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7. I DON'T HAVE CABLE, DAMMIT!
As soon as there's a video available, PLEASE let me know!

Thanks! :)
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 03:01 PM
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12. CNN:
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 02:49 PM
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8. That was awesome, and I saw it on Fox (ha, ha)
Brit Hume even said after that this was not just a response to today, but to the entire campaign against him in '04. Ladies and gentleman, that is EXACTLY the narrative we're looking for (a man unjustly dishonored). Then he went into attack mode, but still, not bad.

How will it all turn out today?
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 02:53 PM
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9. Links?
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 02:56 PM
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10. I don't have video yet
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 03:03 PM
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13. CNN has some video -
haven't watched it yet.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/31/kerry.mccain/index.html

down the left column
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 02:57 PM
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11. Just saw it on TV
This needs to be YouTubed -- I didn't tape it but hopefully somebody else did, and puts it on YouTube.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 03:07 PM
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14. FoxNews
Edited on Tue Oct-31-06 03:09 PM by whometense
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,226490,00.html

Kerry's Reloads in Dogfight Over Snipe at Troops in Iraq

Tuesday , October 31, 2006

WASHINGTON — An attack on President Bush's Iraq policy by Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry erupted into a verbal dogfight Tuesday between the failed 2004 Democratic presidential candidate and administration spokesman Tony Snow, who Kerry called a "stuffed suit White House mouthpiece."

"I apologize to no one for my criticism of the president and his broken policy," Kerry told reporters in a press conference in Seattle. "My statement yesterday, and the White House knows this full-well, was a botched joke about the president and the president's people and not about the troops."

"Shame on them, shame on them," Kerry said of the Bush administration, which he charged is afraid to debate "real men."

"I am sick and tired of a bunch of despicable Republicans who will not take responsibility for their own mistakes. Enough is enough. We are not going to stand for this," he said. "The American people are going to take this to the polls next Tuesday."

The bitter words for the administration were sparked as a result of Kerry's own comments a day earlier to a group of students at Pasadena City College.

"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don't, you get stuck in Iraq," he said.

That remark spread like wildfire across the World Wide Web.

A half-mocking Snow told reporters at the daily White House briefing Tuesday that Kerry's comments are emblematic of his disdain for the military.

"What Sen. Kerry ought to do first is apologize to the troops," Snow told reporters Tuesday, referring to a comment Kerry made a day earlier while campaigning in California for gubernatorial candidate Phil Angelides.

"The clear implication here is, if you flunk out, if you don't study hard, if you don't do your homework, if you don't make an effort to be smart, and you don't do well you, quote, 'Get stuck in Iraq,'" Snow said.

"An extraordinary thing has happened since Sept. 11, which is a lot of people, America's finest, have willingly agreed to volunteer their services in a mission that they know is dangerous but is also important," he added.

Kerry said in making his "botched joke," he was referring to the administration's failure to study Iraq and its decision to go to war. He said he learned the Republican campaign strategy playbook "deep and hard" and won't let Republicans get away with distorting his record, the way he claims was done to him in the 2004 presidential race.

"If anyone thinks that a veteran, someone like me, who's been fighting my entire career to provide for veterans, to fight for their benefits, to help honor what their service is, if anybody thinks that a veteran would somehow criticize more than 140,000 troops serving in Iraq and not the president and his people who put them there, they're crazy," he said.

The latest round is just the latest of several nasty proxy battles between Democratic and Republican leaders in the run-up to next Tuesday's election.

Earlier in the day, a defiant Kerry fired back at criticism, declaring in a statement that he wasn't about to be cowed by Snow's response.

In "response to White House Press Secretary Tony Snow, assorted right wing nut-jobs, and right wing talk show hosts," Kerry accused his opponents of distorting his comments to divert attention from what he called a dismal record on Iraq.

"I'm sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in war, but love to attack those who did," Kerry said. "I'm not going to be lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium, or doughy Rush Limbaugh, who no doubt today will take a break from belittling Michael J. Fox's Parkinson's disease to start lying about me just as they have lied about Iraq. It disgusts me."

Snow countered, asking reporters whether Democratic veterans who are running for office, like Jim Webb in Virginia and Tammy Duckworth in Illinois, really want to stand up next to Kerry.

Republican Sen. John McCain, who, like Kerry, is a decorated Vietnam veteran and potential rival to Kerry should both decide to run in 2008, said in a statement that Kerry "owes an apology to the many thousands of Americans serving in Iraq, who answered their country's call because they are patriots and not because of any deficiencies in their education."

House Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, also called on Kerry to apologize, labeling his comments "disrespectful and insulting to the men and women serving in our military."

But Kerry said McCain "ought to ask for an apology from (Defense Secretary) Donald Rumsfeld for the mistakes he's made. John McCain should ask for an apology for not sending enough troops" to Iraq.

Angelides is far behind in his bid to unseat Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, and retired Gen. Wesley Clark suggested Kerry's remarks are not helpful to Democrats in general.

"I can not explain anything John Kerry said," said Clark, who also ran for the 2004 Democratic presidential nomination. Clark added that he's spoken to military leaders about the next troop rotation coming. "They tell me the troops are ready. The families are ready back here. They know what they're facing. It's the best army we've ever had."

As the march to Election Day draws to an end, the close nature of the race for the congressional majority has led to an increasingly nasty tit-for-tat among candidates and their proxies.

In a separate match-up, Rep. Charles Rangel of New York, who would be on tap to take the top post in the House tax-writing panel should Democrats win the House majority next Tuesday, called Vice President Dick Cheney a "son of a bitch" after the vice president said Rangel would raise taxes as head of the Ways and Means Committee.

"Charlie has said there's not a single one of the Bush tax cuts he thinks should be extended. And he could achieve that objective simply by not acting. Unless there's an affirmative action by Congress, legislation passed to keep those rates low, those rates are going back up, and he'd have a massive tax increase," Cheney told FOX News' Neil Cavuto on Monday.

In Tuesday editions of The New York Post, Rangel suggested Cheney needs professional treatment.

"He's such a real son of a bitch, he just enjoys a confrontation," Rangel said, describing himself to the newspaper as "warm and personable." He told the newspaper Cheney may need to go to "rehab" for "whatever personality deficit he may have suffered."

"When you have those sorts of problems, you're supposed to seek help," Rangel said. "He acknowledged that he has problems with communication."

Snow said he talked to Cheney, who got a big laugh from Rangel's remarks.

"In a year in which, again, on these key issues, the Democrats don't have a plan, it does appear that they have an anger management problem," Snow said.

Democrats need six seats to win the Senate and 15 to take control of the House. In order to succeed, candidates are relying overwhelmingly not on their appeal, but on voters' rejection of their opponents.

An assessment of campaign advertising spending shows that in this campaign season, the political parties have spent about $160 million in negative ads compared to about $17 million on positive image message, a rate of about $1 of nice for every $10 of nasty.

"Negative ads only work in two situations — when you are incredibly desperate or when you're incredibly close to the end," Ray Seidelman, a professor of politics at Sarah Lawrence College who has studied political advertising and voter turnout, told The Associated Press.

Republicans argue they will get their voters to the polls and succeed on Nov. 7, much in the way they upset losing predictions in the past. But just in case, they warn that if Democrats win the majority, they will find themselves paralyzed by inaction — unable to appease both the swing and moderate voters who broke for them this election and the party's liberal base, which guides the party's policy positions.

Republicans point to Democratic leaders — Rangel, for instance, and Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, who is set to become House speaker after a turnover — to drive home the fear.

"Tony Snow's here today," Republican Rep. Chris Chocola said at an event Monday. "The president's been here many times. The First Lady was here two weeks ago. Where's Nancy Pelosi? Where's Hillary Clinton? Where's Howard Dean? They don't come to Middle America because people don't like the message that they bring."

On the other side, Democrats are consistent in using what they consider the penultimate insult — attacking Republican opponents by calling them rubber stamps for Bush.

"Michael Steele was recruited by George Bush and financed by George Bush and he agrees with George Bush's agenda, said Rep. Ben Cardin, who is running against the Republican lieutenant governor in a closer-than-expected race for the open Maryland Senate seat," Cardin told FOX News.

To counter the argument in the heavily Democratic state, Steele has suggested he's nobody's man, and wants to confront voters' issues by looking outside the political lens.

"Ben Cardin has spent the past year running against George Bush. I've spent the past year running for Maryland. I've been laying out a vision for Maryland that embraces the future, that sees the glass as half full, that sees a great deal of opportunity," he said.

But for Democrats in tight races in traditionally red states like Kentucky, Indiana, Texas and Georgia, they too are looking at compromise over confrontation.

"When I vote for a leader, I am going to vote for a leader who reflects a lot of my own views, and we're conservative to moderate out here, and that's what I believe," said Indiana's 2nd District Democratic candidate Joe Donnelly, who on Monday described the type of speaker he would back if Democrats win the House majority.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 03:22 PM
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15. It isn't bad for Fox. However, I think Clark should have waited to
comment until he had all the facts. It is obvious commented from what was originally reported. I would have thought better of Clark. I like how they cut and pasted Snow's comments. The references calling for Webb and Duckworth to denounce him were certainly placed strategically to benefit the Republicans. But, it is Fox News.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 03:31 PM
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17. Just like for Kerry, I'd like to have Clark's statements in context.
Edited on Tue Oct-31-06 03:33 PM by Mass
Some of the things he is quoted saying do not make sense, like the fact the army is prepared ! And this does not even answer to what Kerry said (not to speak of what he meant to say).

I think he was trying to find a way out of this while on one of these shows on FOX.
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 04:59 PM
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23. They cut part of his statement out...
The full thing went something like...

"I can't explain what John Kerry said, because I haven't seen it."

But of course they didn't print THAT.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 05:25 PM
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24. Thanks for that.
Unfortunately, they didn't. Why not try to seed an infight while they're at it?

Thanks for clarifying - I had a hard time believing that was actually what Clark said.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 03:29 PM
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16. The only thing I wish Kerry would have said
I apologize to the troops if they misunderstood my comments.
But I will not apologize to this administration who my comments were directed at. something like that.


:hide:
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 03:37 PM
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18. No. Because then they've won. He HAS to stick to the fact
that it was a botched joke in how he read it. That the troops were not even MENTIONED. If he even gives any amount of apology then it will be like he's saying they have a point. I don't think that's the right way to go about it.

What do you think?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 04:32 PM
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22. I wonder if he will do that at some veteran event
if asked by someone in the military.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 03:39 PM
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19. NYTimes account.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 03:56 PM
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20. I think this is good! It sounds reasonable and adult like.
This whole incident has been childish on the part of the Republicans. Do you think the Republicans can grow up now and move on. We have a two wars to get right.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 04:29 PM
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21. That is a very decent summary
Note that McCain comes out looking oppurtunistic at best. As Kerry said McCain knows him better than that.
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