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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 11:57 AM
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JK press conference and
Edited on Tue Feb-06-07 11:59 AM by ProSense
and new blog post. Also posted in GD-P

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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 12:27 PM
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1. What press conference? n/t
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 12:31 PM
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3. on Iraq "Drawdown"
Maybe this is the paper he was handing out in the Senate???
Can't find it on CSPAN. . maybe it will be broadcast later???

Kerry to Hold Press Conference on Setting One Year Deadline for Troop Redeployment from Iraq

WHO: Senator John Kerry

WHAT: A Press Conference to Push for an Iraq Drawdown in One Year

WHEN: February 6, 2007
12:00pm

WHERE: Radio and Television Gallery in the Senate Side of the Capitol,
Room S-325
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 12:30 PM
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2. Press releases (2)
Edited on Tue Feb-06-07 12:31 PM by whometense
First:

Kerry to Hold Press Conference on Setting One Year Deadline for Troop Redeployment from Iraq



WHO: Senator John Kerry



WHAT: A Press Conference to Push for an Iraq Drawdown in One Year



WHEN: February 6, 2007

12:00pm



WHERE: Radio and Television Gallery in the Senate Side of the Capitol,

Room S-325



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Second: Kerry Calls On Senate to Set One Year Deadline for US Troops to Leave Iraq



Says Diplomatic Initiative, Firm Benchmarks for Iraqi Leaders Must be Part of Strategy





WASHINGTON, DC – Sen. John Kerry today said he is introducing legislation that would include many of the recommendations of the Iraq Study Group and set a firm deadline for the withdrawal of most U.S. troops from Iraq. Kerry said the other key elements of his bill are: launching a major diplomatic initiative, enforcing a series of benchmarks for meeting key political objectives, shifting the military mission to training Iraqi security forces and counter-terrorism operations, and maintaining on over the horizon presence to protect U.S. regional interests.



“The only people who believe there is a workable military solution for the conflict in Iraq is The Bush Administration,” Kerry said. “We must find a way to force the Iraqi politicians to make the tough compromises necessary to find a sustainable political solution. It’s time to sponsor a regional effort aimed at using diplomacy to achieve peace. We can’t pull the plug on our efforts in Iraq overnight, nor can we endlessly debate continuing the status quo into the next decade. My plan offers a rock solid deadline that forces Iraqis to step up their responsibilities while redirecting the mission of US troops to training, counter-terrorism and force protection.”



“The president is asking Congress to approve another $245 billion to pay for wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. We have little to show for our effort in Iraq and the president and Republicans in Congress are attempting to prevent us from debating this issue on the floor of the Senate. The American people aren’t interested in 60-vote minimums. They want to see the leaders in Washington have a plan for moving our brave men and women out of the chaotic civil war in Iraq.”



The legislation is based on Kerry’s bill from last year, which also called for creating a firm one year deadline for the redeployment of U.S. troops from Iraq, leaving only the minimum number necessary to complete the training of Iraqi security forces, go after terrorists, and protect United States facilities and personnel. In December, the Iraq Study Group set a goal of withdrawing United States combat forces from Iraq within a year. This date was based upon the timeframe for transferring responsibility to Iraqi security forces set forth by George W. Casey Jr., and on the schedule agreed upon by the Iraqi government for achieving key political and security objectives. It is also consistent with the President’s stated objective, worked out with the Iraqi government, of transferring full security responsibility to the Iraqis by November of 2007. Senator Kerry continues to believe that setting a firm one year deadline is necessary to make that goal a reality.



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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 12:32 PM
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4. Awesome! Thanks.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 12:37 PM
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6. de nada.
Let the pummeling begin. :hide:
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 01:09 PM
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9. Oh, either that or they will try and ignore it.
Covering this would interfer with the 24/7 coverage of the prersidential elections that are 1 year and nine months away.
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 01:12 PM
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10. oh, yes. Let's keep our priorities straight, for sure! : ) n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 12:36 PM
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5. This should
get a GD thread.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 12:37 PM
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8. I'll do it if there isn't one yet.
Edited on Tue Feb-06-07 12:40 PM by whometense
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 12:37 PM
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7. Great comments by JK! n/t
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 01:25 PM
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11.  link to nice picture from press conference.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 01:28 PM
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12. That is a nice one!
Thanks. :-)

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 01:28 PM
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13. Very nice! n/t
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 01:38 PM
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14. Thanks for posting the picture. One of these days I figure out how to just
post the picture. LOL
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 02:09 PM
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15. DailyKos has a front page article on Sen. Obama's bill.
This bill is basically the Kerry/Feingold bill from last year and nearly identical to what Sen. Kerry proposed today.

It bears reminding that Sen. Obama is a junior member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and that his bill will be looked at by the sub-committee responsible for legislation regarding Iraq and probably folded into the bill proposed by Sen. Kerry.

That front-page Kos diary on DKos has some posts on it that presume that this idea by Sen. Obama is new. It is not. It is also not his to shepard through the committee. (Sen. Obama is not a member of the sub-committee that would do the initial work on this bill, the Near Eastern and South and Central Asian Affairs sub-committee.)

Just an FYI. This media should note that this is Sen. Kerry's bill from last year and Sen. Obama has just re-introduced it with his name on it. I can't understand why he didn't just co-sponsor the bill when it was re-introduced today, but that is probably due to Presidential politics. Nevertheless, the real work of getting a workable bill out of committee is not in Sen. Obama's hands. Is Sen. Obama genuinely wants gto affect the course of the war in Iraq and not just use it as an issue to run on, then he should back the original bill. (His is almost a direct steal. It's hard to believe people would not notice this, but the media is what it is.)
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 02:12 PM
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16. did post this comment on Daily Kos? n/t
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 02:33 PM
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23. I have a comment up
Don't over re-act on this.

Again, don't over re-act on this. Please.

Do point out that this measure has to go through the Senate Foreign Relations Committee where it will probably be combined with other bills. As Sen. Kerry has more tenure as a 22 year veteran of that committee and as he originally proposed this bill in part in 2005 and in part in 2006 with Sen. Feingold, that the end result bill will probably have Kerry's name on it. (And rightly so.)

Sen. Obama's on-the-record speech on the floor of the US Senate on 6/21/06 when he explained why he would NOT VOTE for the Kerry/Feingold amendment. Please note, it is nice that he has decided to come over to the side of the angels on this. But he should acknowledge that he is standing on the shoulders of others on this.

Mr. OBAMA. Mr. President, I thank the Senator from Michigan for managing this fine amendment.

In October of 2002, I delivered a speech opposing the war in Iraq.

I said that Saddam Hussein was a ruthless man, but that he posed no imminent and direct threat to the United States.

I said that a war in Iraq would take our focus away from our efforts to defeat al-Qaida.

And, with a volatile mix of ethnic groups and a complicated history, I said that the invasion and occupation of Iraq would require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.

In short, I felt the decision unfolding then to invade Iraq was being made without a clear rationale, based more on ideology and politics than fact and reason.

It is with no great pleasure that I recall this now. Too many young men and women have died. Too many have been maimed. Too many hearts have been broken. I fervently wish I had been wrong about this war; that my concerns had been unfounded.

America and the American people have paid a high price for the decision to invade Iraq and myriad mistakes that followed. I believe that history will not judge the authors of this war kindly.

For all these reasons, I would like nothing more than to support the Kerry amendment; to bring our brave troops home on a date certain, and spare the American people more pain, suffering and sorrow.

But having visited Iraq, I am also acutely aware that a precipitous withdrawal of our troops, driven by congressional edict rather than the realities on the ground, will not undo the mistakes made by this administration. It could compound them.


It could compound them by plunging Iraq into an even deeper and, perhaps, irreparable crisis.

We must exit Iraq, but not in a way that leaves behind a security vacuum filled with terrorism, chaos, ethnic cleansing and genocide that could engulf large swaths of the Middle East and endanger America. We have both moral and national security reasons to manage our exit in a responsible way.

I share many of the goals set forth in the Kerry amendment. We should send a clear message to the Iraqis that we won't be there forever, and that by next year our primary role should be to conduct counterinsurgency actions, train Iraqi security forces, and provide needed logistical support.

Moreover, I share the frustration with an administration whose policies with respect to Iraq seem to simply repeat the simple-minded refrains of ``we know best'' and ``stay the course.'' It's not acceptable to conduct a war where our goals and strategies drift aimlessly regardless of the cost in lives or dollars spent, and where we end up with arbitrary, poll-driven troop reductions by the administration--the worst of all possible outcomes.

As one who strongly opposed the decision to go to war and who has met with servicemen and women injured in this conflict and seen the pain of the parents and loved ones of those who have died in Iraq, I would like nothing more than for our military involvement to end.

But I do not believe that setting a date certain for the total withdrawal of U.S. troops is the best approach to achieving, in a methodical and responsible way, the three basic goals that should drive our Iraq policy: that is, (1) stabilizing Iraq and giving the factions within Iraq the space they need to forge a political settlement; (2) containing and ultimately defeating the insurgency in Iraq; and (3) bringing our troops safely home.

What is needed is a blueprint for an expeditious yet responsible exit from Iraq. A hard and fast, arbitrary deadline for withdrawal offers our commanders in the field, and our diplomats in the region, insufficient flexibility to implement that strategy.

For example, let's say that a phased withdrawal results in 50,000 troops in Iraq by July 19, 2007. If, at that point, our generals and the Iraqi Government tell us that having those troops in Iraq for an additional 3 or 6 months would enhance stability and security in the region, this amendment would potentially prevent us from pursuing the optimal policy.

It is for this reason that I cannot support the Kerry amendment. Instead, I am a cosponsor of the Levin amendment, which gives us the best opportunity to find this balance between our need to begin a phase-down and our need to help stabilize Iraq. It tells the Iraqis that we won't be there forever so that they need to move forward on uniting and securing their country. I agree with Senator Warner that the message should be ``we really mean business, Iraqis, get on with it.'' At the same time, the amendment also provides the Iraqis the time and the opportunity to accomplish this critical goal.

Essential to a successful policy is the administration listening to its generals and diplomats and members of Congress especially those who disagree with their policies and believe it is time to start bringing our troops home.

The overwhelming majority of the Senate is already on record voting for an amendment stating that calendar year 2006 should be a period of significant transition to full Iraqi sovereignty, with Iraqi security forces taking the lead for the security, creating the conditions for the phased redeployment of United States forces from Iraq. The Levin amendment builds on this approach.

The White House should follow this principle as well. Visiting Iraq for a few hours cannot resuscitate or justify a failed policy. No amount of spin or photo opportunities can change the bottom line: this war has been poorly conceived and poorly managed by the White House, and that is why it has been so poorly received by the American people..

And it is troubling to already see Karl Rove in New Hampshire, treating this as a political attack opportunity instead of a major national challenge around which to rally the country.

There are no easy answers to this war. I understand that many Americans want to see our troops come home. The chaos, violence, and horrors in Iraq are gut-wrenching reminders of what our men and women in uniform, some just months out of high school, must confront on a daily basis. They are doing this heroically, they are doing this selflessly, and more than 2,500 of them have now made the ultimate sacrifice for our country.

Not one of us wants to see our servicemen and women in harm's way a day longer than they have to be. And that's why we must find the most responsible way to bring them home as quickly as possible, while still leaving the foundation of a secure Iraq that will not endanger the free world.


I thank Sen. Obama for his support and I hope he will work with his Senate colleagues on getting a bill through the SFRC Near Eastern and South and Central Asian Affairs sub-committee, the full committee and the Senate.
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Democrafty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 02:14 PM
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17. OMG.
I literally feel sick right now. I'm trying so hard to be supportive of other Dems now that JK is out of '08, but this is just such a cheap move.
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 02:23 PM
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18. again, it's the lack of generosity
what would it cost Obama or anyone to give Sen. Kerry the credit he deserves, or to acknowledge folly in voting against Kerry-Feingold?
I can't STAND the 2008 race so far.
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 02:23 PM
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20. . . and lack of even the concept of fairness n/t
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Democrafty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 02:25 PM
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21. EXACTLY. n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 02:23 PM
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19. This may make sense - Many Kerrry people have gone with Obama
Edited on Tue Feb-06-07 02:35 PM by karynnj
It may well be that Obama's bill will be put into Kerry's - which is likely far more detailed. Kerry can try to push it this year and next - but the way it can really succeed is if Obama wins. Having a plan will be needed for everyone running - see the flack Edwards got for too vague a plan. It is good that someone has taken many of Kerry's ideas - it would be even nicer if he credits Kerry for anything.

(totally rewritten from an emotional first response)
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 02:40 PM
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28. Why would Kerry bother with his own press conference and why doesn't
Obama come out and support this as Kerry plan?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 02:43 PM
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29. Because it is NOT the Kerry-plan. It looks like it, but there are so many things inserted in the
bill that makes it REALLY different, started by the suspension of withdrawal I posted lower.

It is the plan Obama proposed ONE YEAR ago, with a little more details and a little more reflexion. Nothing more.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 02:26 PM
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22. Obama's bill does not have a firm deadline. It has a goal.
Edited on Tue Feb-06-07 02:29 PM by Mass
This is a major difference if Kerry is serious with the deadline.

For the rest, it is probable that Obama needed HIS bill for electoral reasons, you are right. But also, he opposes a FIRM deadline.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 02:36 PM
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24. Sen. Obama must seriously work for his bill
in the SFRC and in the US Senate. That means that he cannot just dump this piece of legislation and then not do any work on it.

Reason dictates that a serious approach to actually getting our troops out of Iraq means working with others to blend ideas together and develop a bill that can actually make it to the floor of the Senate. I would hope that Sen. Obama, if he is truly serious about getting our forces out of Iraq, will do that. I also hope that Presidential politics is not put above the goal of getting our troops out of Iraq. That would be an unforgiveable offense.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 02:37 PM
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25. Yep -- I think I posted 10 comments correcting people.
I'm being fairly gentle but the history is clear -- Obama voted against the K/F amendment and now he's for it. And I think it is for Obama's own good that we bring this up, because you can be damned sure if he were to be the nominee, the Right will bring it up, too.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 02:38 PM
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26. Wow, we can not let this stand. This is stealing in my book and
demonstrates two things to me, Obama doesn't know enough to propose something on his own and he is not a trust worthy and honest person. There is only one reason not to sign on to the Kerry Feingold bill- he doesn't want to give them credit. He is playing politics. I doubt his sincerity on this issue. I am shocked and extremely disappointed in Obama. Less than eight months ago he was saying the Kerry/Feingold bill was precipitous.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 02:39 PM
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27. Here is the bill - Before people jump and say that it is the Kerry-Feingold bill, have a look
Edited on Tue Feb-06-07 02:41 PM by Mass
All that it does is force Bush to go to Congress regularly. If they find enough Congresspeople to support the suspension, nothing will change.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c110:1:./temp/~c1104sNlyY:e7889:

It is FAR from a firm deadline. If anything, it has provisions where the withdrawal can be suspended. This is NOT a bill I can go behind, contrarely to Kerry/Feingold.

b) Suspension of Redeployment-

(1) IN GENERAL- The President may suspend, on a temporary basis as provided in paragraph (2), the redeployment of the Armed Forces under this section if the President certifies to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives that--

(A) doing so is in the national security interests of the United States; and

(B) the Government of Iraq--

(i) has lifted all restrictions concerning non-interference in operations of the Armed Forces of the United States in Iraq and does so on a continuing basis;

(ii) is making significant progress in reducing sectarian violence in Iraq and in reducing the size and operational effectiveness of sectarian militias in Iraq;

(iii) is making significant progress towards removing militia elements from the Iraqi Army, National Police, Facilities Protection Services, and other security forces of the Government of Iraq;

(iv) has enacted legislation or established other binding mechanisms to ensure the sharing of all Iraqi oil revenues among all segments of Iraqi society in an equitable manner;

(v) is making significant progress towards making available not less than $10,000,000,000 for reconstruction, job creation, and economic development in Iraq, with safeguards to prevent corruption, by January 10, 2008;

(vi) has deployed at least 18 Iraqi Army and National Police brigades to Baghdad and is effectively ensuring that such units are performing their security and police functions in all Baghdad neighborhoods, regardless of their sectarian composition;

(vii) has enacted legislation or established other binding mechanisms to revise its de-Baathification laws to encourage the employment in the Government of Iraq of qualified Iraqi professionals, irrespective of ethnic or political affiliation, including ex-Baathists who were not leading figures of the Saddam Hussein regime;

(viii) has established a fair process for considering amendments to the constitution of Iraq that promote lasting national reconciliation in Iraq;

(ix) is making significant progress towards assuming full responsibility for security in all the provinces of Iraq by November 30, 2007;

(x) is making significant progress towards holding free and fair provincial elections in Iraq at the earliest date practicable, but not later than December 31, 2007;

(xi) is making substantial progress towards increasing the size and effectiveness of Ministry of Defense forces as described on page 11 of `Highlights of the Iraq Strategy Review' published by the National Security Council in January 2007;

(xii) is making significant progress in reforming and strengthening the civilian ministries and other government institutions that support the Iraqi Army and National Police; and

(xiii) is making significant progress towards reforming its civilian ministries to ensure that they are not administered on a sectarian basis and that government services are delivered in an even-handed and non-sectarian manner.

(2) PERIOD OF SUSPENSION- A suspension of the redeployment of the Armed Forces under this subsection, including any renewal of the suspension under paragraph (3), shall be for a period not to exceed 90 days.

(3) RENEWAL- A suspension of the redeployment of the Armed Forces under this subsection may be renewed. Any such renewal shall include a certification to the officers referred to in paragraph (1) on the matters set forth in clauses (i) through (xiii) of subparagraph (B) of that paragraph.

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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 02:47 PM
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30. yes, but without have K?F in front of me I recall K/F stipulating that
redeployment dates would always depend on conditions on the ground and the benchmarks were flexible.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 02:56 PM
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31. Not really. The bill did not say so, I think.
Edited on Tue Feb-06-07 02:59 PM by Mass
Of course, they are not idiots and have said publicly that if 15 days were missing, they would allow it, but they did not allow this type of leeway in the bill.



SA 4442. Mr. KERRY (for himself, Mr. FEINGOLD, Mrs. BOXER, and Mr. LEAHY) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill S. 2766, to authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2007 for military activities of the Department of Defense, for military construction, and for defense activities of the Department of Energy, to prescribe personnel strengths for such fiscal year for the Armed Forces, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

On page 437, between lines 2 and 3, insert the following:

SEC. 1084. UNITED STATES POLICY ON IRAQ.

(a) Redeployment of Troops From Iraq.--

(1) SCHEDULE FOR REDEPLOYMENT.--For purposes of strengthening the national security of the United States, the President shall redeploy, commencing in 2006, United States forces from Iraq by July 1, 2007, in accordance with a schedule coordinated with the Government of Iraq, leaving only the minimal number of forces that are critical to completing the mission of standing up Iraqi security forces, conducting targeted and specialized counterterrorism operations, and protecting United States facilities and personnel.

(2) CONSULTATION WITH CONGRESS REQUIRED.--The President shall consult with Congress regarding the schedule for redeployment and shall submit such schedule to Congress as part of the report required under subsection (c).

(3) MAINTENANCE OF OVER-THE-HORIZON TROOP PRESENCE.--The President should maintain an over-the-horizon troop presence to prosecute the war on terror and protect regional security interests.

(b) Iraq Summit.--The President should work with the leaders of the Government of Iraq to convene a summit as soon as possible that includes those leaders, leaders of the governments of each country bordering Iraq, representatives of the Arab League, the Secretary General of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, representatives of the European Union, and leaders of the governments of each permanent member of the United Nations Security Council, for the purpose of reaching a comprehensive political agreement for Iraq that engenders the support of Sunnis, Shias, and Kurds by ensuring the equitable distribution of oil revenues, disbanding the militias, strengthening internal security, reviving reconstruction efforts and fulfilling related international economic aid commitments, securing Iraq's borders, and providing for a sustainable federalist structure in Iraq.

(c) Report on Redeployment.--

(1) REPORT REQUIRED.--Not later than 30 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Defense shall, in consultation with the Secretary of State, submit to Congress a report that sets forth the strategy for the redeployment of United States forces from Iraq by July 1, 2007.

(2) STRATEGY ELEMENTS.--The strategy required in the report under paragraph (1) shall include the following:

(A) The schedule for redeploying United States forces from Iraq by July 1, 2007, developed pursuant to subsection (a)(1).

(B) A schedule for returning the majority of such redeployed forces home to the United States.

(C) The number, size, and character of United States military units needed in Iraq after July 1, 2007, for purposes of counterterrorism activities, training Iraqi security forces, and protecting United States infrastructure and personnel.

(D) A strategy for addressing the regional implications for diplomacy, politics, and development of redeploying United States forces from Iraq by July 1, 2007.

(E) A strategy for ensuring the safety and security of United States forces in Iraq during and after the July 1, 2007, redeployment, and a contingency plan for addressing dramatic changes in security conditions that may require a limited number of United States forces to remain in Iraq after that date.

(F) A strategy for redeploying United States forces to effectively engage and defeat global terrorist networks that threaten the United States.


Certainly, Kerry has been an important force in most of the bills that have been proposed in the last few months concerning Iraq, whether they just use the same words without any intention to do something, or whether they are more serious, like the Obama bill.

However, he has made clear several times, including today, that the DEADLINE was the important element, and the deadline is not present in the Obama proposition. On the contrary, it provides a way to stay longer than the goal, if necessary.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 02:58 PM
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32. This is the Nov 2005 bill combined with the june 2006 amendment
These ideas on diplomacy and on getting special envoys and such are not new with Sen. Obama. They were in the earlier bills.

HOWEVER, the point of this is not a fight over ownership. It is to hold Sen. Obama and all other Senators to what they say. Sen. Obama must join forces with his other colleagues in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and work out a bill that can get to the floor of the Senate. THAT IS THE POINT. He cannot drop this bill into the Senate till then walk away and say, well, I tried. He has to commit to the hard work of combining all the competing bills and opinions on Iraq into something that can get enough votes to get out of committee. (And no, it won't pass on the Senate floor. But it is important to get these bills and views together. We have to do that.)

Also, I am very glad that Sen. Obama is no longer dumping on his Senate colleagues and calling their proposals by right wing talking points. That does have meaning. The Amendment by Sens. Kerry & Feingold was never 'precipitious withdrawal.' It was wrong of Sen. Obama to call it that back in June. Dead wrong.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 03:02 PM
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34. In fact, this is more like the Nov 2005 bill, which was offering a goal, than
the 2006 bill.

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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 03:09 PM
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36. I don't see a point in him doing this this way other than grandstanding and
drawing attention to himself. Are his intentions honest if so, why not work with his colleagues as you say to come up with a workable plan. And, why has he done this about face now, when eight months ago he opposed a withdraw as outlined in K/F?
I just hate it that we have to question whether they are playing politics with this issue- just hate it. I don't know if I trust any of them except Kuchinich.

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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 03:37 PM
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37. I do too, but this is not necessarily a bad thing
This is also a chance to 'hold their feet to the fire' on this issue and keep them honest on it. That is part of being a citizen, you have to stay in the process and make sure that the pols who are out there are in it for the long haul and not just for the next election.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 03:00 PM
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33. No, had he voted for the K/F amendment, I'd feel a lot better about this.
Washington DC is about stealing ideas -- I know I steal ideas from the blogs all the time. I don't even care if Obama gives the credit -- that's the media's job and they still haven't done it. My biggest problem is with Obama's vote and the reasoning Tay Tay presented (which was, ahem, a lie about the K/F amendment). I think we're actually helping him out here -- he needs to come up with why he's had a change of heart. The way it looks now is that he decided that for his presidential campaign, he wants to have anti-war bonafides and go to the left of Hillary. That's not good enough -- he needs to come up with a better explanation.

P.S. -- I earned points with the Feingold people yesterday by including Feingold's non-binding res. of 8/05 -- they're now tag teaming with us on this matter. Feingold was the first AND he voted against the IWR, so I'm going to give him credit for that. I also give Obama credit for being against the war in 10/02. And I am just side stepping IWR fights because, frankly, they don't accomplish anything.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 03:06 PM
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35. My biggest problem with this bill is that he is offering a process that is not
Edited on Tue Feb-06-07 03:07 PM by Mass
bound in time. It seems limited if you listen to what his supporters and the media say, but, if you read carefully, it is not.

So, I am not that sure that he would agree with the Kerry/Feingold amendement even NOW. I do not think it was the 12 months that bothered him, but the fact that there was a deadline involved and not simply a goal.

What is interesting is that Obama and Edwards are offering the same type of solutions that Kerry offered in 2004 and they seem like heroes just because they utter the word "withdrawal". You may wonder what people think.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 03:47 PM
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38. I think putting the date out there, even if it's more flexible than
Kerry/Feingold's still is pretty close, and will put pressure on Obama (say if he were president) to make good on that deadline. In fact, the more it is perceived as a hard deadline in the media, the better. And it really does take 2005/2006 ideas from Kerry big time, even down to the forces remaining being for counterterrorism, training and force protection.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 04:14 PM
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39. CBN has a video of the beginning of the press conference.
http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/100083.aspx

Ignore the comments (as if any of these guys have ever been in a press conference with Kerry). They are stupid, but good to hear him.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 04:25 PM
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40. Cool, thanks! n/t
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 04:36 PM
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41. I wish it allowed comments. I think it would surprise them to know
that people would actually thank them for providing the video, and to also point out that it's not very Christian to mock someone, then offer a prayer for Brody's soul for being so mean spirited.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 04:57 PM
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42. It seems as though this is going to be the new persona created for Kerry,
The lonely guy who no ones care about. Of course that is what the RW would like.
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Luftmensch067 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 06:05 PM
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44. Truly, when you think about it, this is the same thing they tried to do to Gore
All those jokes about the beard and the extra pounds. But then he came roaring back and made them all look like the idiots they are. So shall it be with JK, and sooner than they think!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 07:24 PM
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45. They've been pushing the loner thing at least since 2004
Jodie Wilgorhin (NYT), in addition to emphasizing Kerry's elite background called him a social loner. That was bad enough, but when people complained to the NYT Ombushman, Okrent (?), he took her side. Apparently, she claimed that she spoke to several life long firends - who all agreed he was a loner. (Now, I wonder if they asked about "social loner" which sounds like a psychological diagnosis.

I saw it because one of the blogs went after them - arguing that anyone with several life time friends is not a loner (social or otherwise).

The problem they will have is that he won't pander to be "liked" and he is willing to stand when he has to - but it's clear that he is very gifted working with others to get solutions.

I just hope that he and Teresa get coverage on their book tour. There is no way seeing them together that he looks lonely or sad. Also, it seems much of the book celebrates people doing good things that he met. This is gonna make that image hard. It hasn't worked and they've tried for over 3 years.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 08:05 PM
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47. More so for Democrats, although they'd never admit.
This is a large part of unflattering comparison for Hillary. Again, if they'd only embrace Kerry's leadership, its a win-win for the party, and the world.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 05:59 PM
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43. I'm emailing him.
What a dick Brody is. Someone is directing this childish meme, and these idiots should know we're on to them.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 07:48 PM
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46. Senate Democrats to Join Veterans in Demanding Debate on Iraq Escalation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x142400

Senate Democrats to Join Veterans in Demanding Debate on Iraq Escalation

To: POLITICAL EDITORS

Contact: Jim Manley or Rodell Mollineau, +1-202-224-2939, both of the Senate Democratic Communications Center

WASHINGTON, Feb. 6 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Tomorrow, Wednesday, February 7, 2007 at 11 a.m., Democratic Senators Patty Murray (news, bio, voting record), John Kerry, Jack Reed (news, bio, voting record), and Sheldon Whitehouse (news, bio, voting record) will join veterans of the Iraq war to call on Senate Republicans to stop blocking a debate on the president's plan to escalate the war. Before sending another 48,000 young Americans into battle, the Congress owes it to our troops, their families, and their communities to have an honest and open discussion about their mission.

WHO: Democratic Conference Secretary Patty Murray

Senator John Kerry

Senator Jack Reed

Senator Sheldon Whitehouse

Jon Soltz, co-founder and chairman, VoteVets.org

Andrew Horne, senior advisor, VoteVets.org

WHAT: Press conference the effects of escalation on America's troops and
veterans

WHEN: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 at 11 AM

WHERE: Lyndon Baines Johnson Room, S-211, U.S. Capitol, Washington D.C.

CONTACT: Jim Manley or Rodell Mollineau, (202) 224-2939

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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 08:59 PM
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48. Excellent, excellent
Gee, I wonder if Jon Powers will be there too. (Hey, hello, VoteVets member. I am entirely talking business here. Really.)

This is wonderful news. This also has those chilling echoes of a prior war and how the Vets who gathered to protest that war played a significant role in ending it. Bravo!
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