OT: An invitation some will take her up on

[ProSense]

“If the most important thing to any of you is choosing someone who did not cast that vote or has said his vote was a mistake, then there are others to choose from,” Mrs. Clinton told an audience in Dover, N.H., in a veiled reference to two rivals for the nomination, Senator Barack Obama of Illinois and former Senator John Edwards of North Carolina.

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As someone who believes Bush violated the IWR, the sheer arrogance of the above statement is mindboggling.

Why say this in such an in your face way to voters?

[whometense]

1. It makes no sense to me,

except if the most important issue to her is appearing to be just as tough as the boys.

Bleah. If I want to vote for a woman for president it'll be precisely because she is better than "one of the boys".

I don't see how anyone is excited about her, though after listening to this show last night I can see that some are. To me, she is sort of the worst of all possible democratic worlds.

[karynnj]

3. I hate that they are putting it down to her being female

I didn't vote for John Kerry, because he was male. I voted for the ideas and values he had in his head and the compassion that was clearly in his heart. I wouldn't vote for either Clinton at this point.

I am becoming less and less enthused about 2008 and realise more starkly what we lost in 2004. It was as much a fight for the soul of the Democratic party as for the country.

[ginnyinWI]

5. I was discussing Hillary with members of my family--

Daughter, son-in-law and husband, none of who are paying much attention to politics (I have that cornered for the whole family). Anyway, the view they have of her is that she doesn't mean what she says, and will say anything to get where she wants to be. It doesn't have anything to do with her sex.

Karyn, we may not have voted because he's male, but those pic threads would be a little duller if he weren't. :blush: :evilgrin:

[karynnj]

8. I agree on the picture threads

though as my favorite ones have been the threads of him and Teresa.

[MH1]

2. For once, I agree with her, though.

Maybe SHE shouldn't have said it - or shouldn't have said it that way - but that's what it really comes down to. It's time to get over it and move on. If someone thinks that one vote is the only one that matters, and they think that their own knowledge of the situation around that vote is so perfect that they won't forgive someone unless s/he grovels at their feet for sufficient time - than the person is a lost cause anyway. Because - as we've seen here at DU - many if not most of those who do this, will not accept the "apology" anyway.

I for one, never had a problem with someone merely voting "yay" on the IWR that came to a vote. My problem is with the people who constructed the form that the vote came in, or were so incompetent as to allow it to happen before the 2002 mid-term elections. (*cough*Edwards*cough*Daschle*...)

[emulatorloo]

4. Daschle's book has a fair amount re the pressure exerted to make IWR vote happen before 2002 midterm

My memory has gone to hell so I can't remember the details, and I don't have a copy of it here. but I do remember Daschle writes a long section on the tremendous pressure from Cheney. White House, Rove, Repubs etc to have it done before the midterms, Daschle trying to get it put off. etc.

His book is well worth reading -- Like No Other Time: The 107th Congress and the Two Years That Changed America Forever

I am no Daschle fan, and resisted reading it for a while, but I found it to be a really fascinating book -- it really gives you a real sense of that period -- post 9/11, everyone wanting to stand behind Bush and believing that he would rise to the occasion and do the right thing, and Bush taking advantage of the good will to screw everybody over. Plus the anthrax attack on Daschel's office is pretty interesting to read about. Well worth checking out of the library.

From an amazon user reviews:

But his discussion of the Democratic Party's debate, in the fall of 2002, over going to war in Iraq is priceless. Daschle aptly conveys the slanderous attacks made against the party over Iraq and the Homeland Security bill.

[ProSense]

6. Agree about the apology, but her handling of it was inept,

especially when you learn that she's trying to coerce support for her anti-war status.

[JI7]

7. i agree with her also, but notice she refers to the VOTE specifically

she isn't saying the issue of Iraq is not important but rather than vote.

lets look at the Republican side. you have Chuck Hagel and John McCain who both voted for the IWR. but there is a huge difference between them on what to do in Iraq. and i would rather have Hagel in charge of foreign policy than McCain if it was between them two.

[BlueIris]

9. I just....some days I can barely stand to look at her.

Like another fall of man.