That's it!! I've HAD it with the Kossaks!!

[beachmom]

Not to get petty here, but Sen. Feingold posted an excellent diary on Kos about *'s pre-1776 mentality, which is great and I recommended it. But it's been there for hours, and he hasn't written back ONCE. Now obviously he's a busy senator and has to get ready to grill Alberto Gonzalez. But talk about double standards from that crowd. There is not one negative comment to Feingold, not one gripe about how dailykos is not to be used just as a press release, that he needs to be there live blogging. Why are they so respectful to one senator, who hasn't written any comments back, while at the same time condemning another senator (John Kerry) who WAS writing back, and even updating his diary with the famous "slings and arrows" line. Before you knew it, there was a negative diary about him with that title. The Kossaks are totally inconsistent with their arguments and just plain make my blood boil.

Oh yeah, and did you see Kos's snark about being "impressed" that Kerry's straw poll number for '08 on dKos didn't go up, showing that you can't just show up once and think people will like you. Excuse me -- he did 3 diaries, wrote back to people, and LISTENED to people, put his ass on the line for all of us, got lampooned in the media fighting for our values -- and now the a**holes over there say a "one night stand" isn't going to do it, Senator. I don't recall Feingold doing anything too far out of the box for the base. He's always been a maverick doin' his thing but I haven't seen him stick his neck out anymore than many of the other good senators. Look I'm not trying to put down Feingold -- I highly respect him and he obviously has the two famous votes being against IWR and the Patriot Act -- but I just am so SICK of those ungrateful toddlers over there who haven't a clue that they were touched by greatness last week. Not a f***ing clue.

[Luftmensch067]

1. You're absolutely right!!!!

And I love your eloquent rant.

I wish I could believe they have it in them to grow up, but I'm not sure they ever will....

[blm]

2. Reply to kos - What it proves is that if you keep spreading lies about a

senator, minimizing his extraordinary contributions while maximizing the efforts of others, you CAN keep his poll numbers down - right kos?

[FreedomAngel82]

27. Kos is still a jealous jerk

[_dynamicdems]

49. And an effing arsehole. n/t

[ginnyinWI]

3. they don't deserve JK

Well--some of them anyway, for being so snarky.

You know what I would love? I'd love JK's own website to have a blog again--where he would post, this time, and dialog with his supporters. I'd also love to see posts by his staffers.

[Mass]

4. Forget them - They are not worth it.

Read Feingold's diary. Enjoy it because it is both great and the type of red meat they like.

The problem is that, while both of them are great and care about these issues, they work in different committees and therefore tend to take the leads on different issues.

Feingold, being both on the judiciary and the intelligence Committee, has more opportunities to speak about the issues that kos cares about. As kos said once on his blog, they dont really care about bread and butter issues.

Kerry, while active on Civil Rights issues and in all these issues, has rarely a chance to take the lead (he had to take the lead on the filibuster because of Reid's failure). He is, however, very active on economical issues, being a high-ranking member of the Commerce Committee and the ranking member of the SBC as well as a member of the finance Committee. He is also very active on environmental and energy issues. kos does not care about these issues, though you may think a progressive blog would care about bread and butter issues.

And look, they did not care about Alito either (at least for kos).

So, dont worry. I stayed on kos during the primary season and it was like that (only worse), and we were able to see the results.

[ProSense]

5. I think they do it

to knock Kerry down a notch by creating the perception that he is unpopular in the hopes that this creates the impression that their candidate is more popular. It's usually many of the same people knocking Kerry as praising another candidate. Those who are prone to use this tactic all pile on Kerry because they perceive him as the biggest threat. That's behind a lot of those "Kerry shouldn't run," "Kerry had his chance" and "Kerry did not stand up for us" statements. Of course, the latter has been proved false over and over, and more recently with the filibuster.


I swear they act like the "T" people.

[jenndar]

7. I give up.

Who are the T people?

[Mass]

8. Happy to see I am not the only one wondering who they are.

[ProSense]

9. You know

trolls. Sorry.

[jenndar]

10. Ah!!

That makes sense. Thank you.

[jenndar]

6. You're just figuring this out NOW?

Just kidding - like it or not, Kos gets tons of hits every day, so I guess we do have to at least try. But I understand your frustration. The Kossacks remind me of something THK said about her husband's critics - "they think small." At times like this, we have to remember that Kos didn't endorse a winning candidate for the Democratic Nomination in 2004, partly because he was on Gov. Dean's payroll, and which was, at best, pretty unimaginative. :) And his criticisms of JK range from petty to completely fallacious. Doesn't always make them any easier to swallow, but it explains why JK is able to outclass people like the Kossacks every single day.

When I'm dealing with the vaguely dirty feeling I get every time I read Kos, I usually try to put some energy toward writing to the print media re: Senator Kerry. If nothing else, it reminds me that Kos is NOT the center of the universe. Thank goodness.

[ginnyinWI]

41. sometimes when I read all the Dean praise--

not only there, but at DU too, I'm really tempted to post something like, "But it was Kerry who blew him away during the primary debates--so why do you think he'd have won the election for sure??" But I don't, because I'm a uniter, not a divider. ;) (and I really do like Dean,too. :) )

People who just love their particular Dem and just hate all the others are indeed thinking small. And tribal. So pre-1776.

[jenndar]

43. Haha, I have nothing to say to people who are

still claiming the superiority of Howard Dean. And that has nothing to do with how I feel about Dean, because I like him, too.

[WildEyedLiberal]

11. Say it with me = "hyp-o-cris-y"

I joined at DKos after JK posted there, but I don't plan to visit or post unless there's a JK related diary I can recommend. Kossacks are the "lefty" version of Dittoheads, and Kos's cult of personality is every bit as nauseating as Rush's. They are mired in the same circular logic, groupthink, bald hypocrisy, and inability to consider facts that do not align with their worldview as are the Dittoheads. I am glad Kerry posted there if only to reach those that can still be reached, but he should post at other blogs like HuffPo, Firedoglake, or EVEN DU before he posts again at Kos.

[Blaukraut]

12. Absolutely

You're so right about kos. I don't post unless one of us needs a recommend, or Kerry posts. And about JK posting on DU - it's way past time for that!

[beachmom]

13. You got that right about a DU post!!

I swore this morning that I was going to embark on a "Blog fast". No blogs for 2 days to clear my head. I didn't last an hour. I'm thinking it's because I don't want to miss it if he pops in and says hello!! :) Okay, I'm not sure how likely that is, but even if it was a 1% chance, I just can't stay away from my computer one day to risk it!!

I know, I know -- I've hated Kos since January (I missed the primaries) and doubly hate Armando who called me a "dupe for BushCo". But I just thought that if only they got to know JK and see what he has done that they would look at him differently. The way Kos got around it was a) staying quiet when the Kerry love arose and then b) acting like Mr. Realist about the filibuster very subtly showing him to be with Reid and far to the right of Kerry. Lefty Dittoheads -- that's about right.

[Mass]

15. I agree except for the term lefty

People on kos would not for the most part be able to find their right from their left.

Each time I read they are lefties, I have to yell. They think Murtha is a liberal. Uninformed, hypocritical, all you say, but for the most part not lefty, just opportunistic and with a idea of who will win as wrong as Al From.

[WildEyedLiberal]

16. I agree, I just wasn't sure how else to describe them

They're the "Democratic" version of Limbaugh - I almost put liberal, but they are decidedly NOT liberal, so I chose "lefty" - I put it in "quotes" because I know that there is nothing consistently liberal about a thing they say or do.

In that respect, they're WORSE than Limbaugh and his Dittoheads, who at least have some ideology they follow. I have no idea WTF Kossacks care about other than the Kos cult of personality and "winning" (which is pretty weak and hollow if you're not winning a victory for any sort of cause).

[beachmom]

20. Actually, the Limbaugh/Kos analogy is about right

He defends * no matter what, it seems. Two exceptions that I know of -- Harriet Meyers and immigration. I don't listen to Rush, but what did he say about the Medicare drug bill? That's not a conservative bill for sure. It's just corporate welfare in my book. Real conservatives hated it. But Rush plays ball for *, even if * isn't even a real conservative. I read Andrew Sullivan and he said he voted for Kerry because he wanted to save conservatism. I don't agree much with Sully ideologically, but that guy is no dittohead. He has his views and sticks with them, and refused to carry water for * anymore (obviously, the gay marriage thing was the straw that broke the camel's back for him, but certainly not the only thing). but Rush is on "the team", which means changing his tune if that means defending his "guys". The Kossacks have chosen the Democrats to be "their team", but don't seem to understand what the Democrats stand for.

I liked the "lefty freeper" name a lot for the haters on DU. We need to think of a good name for the Kossaks (Kos Kids is too vague).

[sandnsea]

14. I'm just generally fed up

So much so that I can't even put in words. And at a complete loss because we're not making any progress on any front and everything just keeps getting worse on all anybody wants is another publicity stunt or politician on a rampage.

[karynnj]

17. There is one other way to look at it

The Feingold diary has been up since 8am. It's now 5:30 and it has 438 posts. Kerry's were a much bigger deal in terms of response. Feingold has put blogs up before and likely hasn't interacted - they know it and they don't expect it. With Kerry the expectations (as vector has very colorfully described) are impossible.

Kerry wrote a far more detailed blog that attempted to detail a huge amount of proof that Bush didn't effectively go after Bin Laden. The intent was possibly to make sure the liberal blogs had the information to go after the Rove response to the Bin Laden tape. Rove had everyone saying "Bin Laden sounds like the Democrats." Kerry's own response that if Bush would have done his job there would be no Bin Laden tapes was a great response. Passing all the backup information to the blog was a good idea. I just wish more people spoke of the content. The second one was just a nice "Thank you". Both got huge response and generated diaries about it and posts over in DU. One question should be is why was there more excitement?

Another point is that Feingold was on the judiciary committee. His questions were ok, but not spectacular. That Matthews commented that they needed a good questioner and said Kerry and Boxer were the best the Democrats have. One question is why didn't Feingold join Kennedy in a filibuster attempt. He wasn't heard from all week - people didn't even know how he would vote on it. But I really don't remember anyone questioning why he didn't. (Other than some who bemoaned the fact that Feingold wasn't leading it.)

When Kerry wrote the third one, it was to initiate the battle. What may dawn on them at some point is that Kerry didn't need their condesending posts explaining that you need to respond too. They could see that Kerry was actively partnering with them. Framing issues and giving them information and asking them to pass it on or use it. To me that's what seems so different.

The change in perception of Kerry is more than the poll indicates. The poll lets you pick one person. From month to month, few people change their choice. Most people there (or here) likely have a favorite. For the choice to change several things need to happpen - they see an Achilles Heel in their favorite, something happens that makes them see that their percption of the favorite was wrong; then they need to find who of the others could replace him. (That opinions are sticky can be seen by how many of the Clark people STILL insist he is more anti-war than Kerry and others - which by his own words, he isn't. I gave up awhile ago fighting the most liberal argument.)

A true measure might be if the poll asked an opinion of Kerry. This I think would have shown a pretty big change - just going by the comments. There is still huge disappointent over 2004 and there is the constantly reinforced argument that he somehow or other cheated to beat Dean. But, just as there was a story (I think from Iowa) where Kerry told veterans he would stay and talk to them until he answered all their questions and convinced them that he was the right choice - if Kerry continues to speak to them, he will eventually win them over. At least at this point, no one else is doing what he did.

[blm]

19. This post would be a great read at kos. It would help their community.

Not that I visit there or anything. ;)

[karynnj]

22. I tried to get an account

but either they didn't send the password or our spam filter ate it. I think that at some later stage assuming that Kerry does continue contact - the part of it that deals with how different he is using the blogs, tied into Kerry's comments about activism, Kerry's own days as an activist, and how this would indicate that his background suggests a person, who even as President, reaches out to really hear people. There's also several Kerry comments that he wanted to use the voice he had as a Senator to speak out when he should.

As is it's more me trying to understand them. What's good is that mostly they were polite to Kerry and they were clearly excited that he came. (It might also be that they are looking for something new and shiny - so far the new and shiny have kind of been a disappointment (except possibly Feingold). But it may take time before they realize that just like last time Kerry outclasses the other possibilities. (The biggest danger might be if Kos is suddent infatuated with Hillary.)

[Mass]

18. Frankly, today I have had it with DU also

There are I dont know how many threads saying they want to replace DiFi with Cindy Sheehan because she is more liberal.

They have NO idea of what she stands for except for ONE issue, and on this issue, she stands with people ranging from Pat Buchanan to Joshua Franks. They dont care about anything, they just want somebody who yells. I like Cindy, but before choosing her against somebody who is not that conservative, may be I would wait to know what she stands for on more than one issue.

[karynnj]

23. Not to mention Cindy Sheehan seems very easily led

Some of her comments have been completely unwarranted and obnoxious. There is nothing to suggest that she has the intelligence or the people skills to be a Congress person or a Senator. Consider that when Kerry was protesting, Senator Pell's comment that he hoped Lt Kerry would be a member of their body some day made sense given his intelligence, eloquence, courage, convictions and the many skills he had shown that weekend.

While Sheehan has rallied many anti-war people around her and has been a reminder of the costs of war, that doesn't mean she shouldbe a law maker.

[WildEyedLiberal]

24. Exactly, she's being used as a tool for the catch-all "radical" agenda

I feel sorry for her... she has diluted her pure righteous crusade into a sideshow with all her antics since Camp Casey. It's like she doesn't know when it stopped being heartfelt and started looking like a publicity stunt, and DU and all the other radicals encourage her. Sad.

[MH1]

25. Ranging from Pat Buchanan to Joshua Frank? That's not a very wide range

Unless you go the long way (i.e. passing through normalcy).

;-)

[kerrygoddess]

21. Well...

I didn't expect any great changes there...

It's hard to get people to see past the sniping and pissing and moaning and the screaming and yelling long enough to get that changing the way we talk about stuff makes a difference.

The only hope I see is to keep doing what we are doing and stick together and try to make a difference.

[FreedomAngel82]

26. I can't stand it either!

I don't go there anymore that's for sure.

[TayTay]

28. Maybe, but who 'fired the shot heard round the web'?

John Kerry did. His call to action was one of the biggest things to ever happen in the liberal blogs. Ever. No one else has ever generated that kind of a response. Ever. There is a lot to be learned from what happened, why it happened and what it means.

I learned that Kos is important but not always relevant. When that call to 'Filibuster Alito' went out on that DKos posting, it was a real 'moment' on the web. Kos didn't control that. He could barely respond to it. The readers of Kos responded to that. It transformed the site. It transformed DU (didn't we go to DU: Alito and DU: Everything Else?) There were dozens of sites that basically converted to a 'war time footing' and blogged about the filibuster and little else. Even Kos had to put up diaries with terms in it like, 'This is the moment.' Yes, it was and it was a moment generated by Sen. Kerry.

Why? Because Kos is a blogger. He can do what he does. His site is info heavy and full of great snarky comments that normally have limited influence. Kos may think he's 'God's Gift' to the blogging world, but he is really a info stream and a communications source. He lacks the standing or the influence to d what Sen. Kerry did. It takes a 'name' to make the blogs really active and not just info sources. Hmmmmmm.

Sen. Feingold's excellent Kos diary today is the second type of diary that an elected official posts, a sort of 'heads up, this is what is going on right now' post that I hope to see more of because they are very useful. They are good for the readers of Kos, and good for the blogs in general. (People can go to the blogs not just for the info that bubbles up but for opinions that are top-down.) Nice.

Sen. Kerry's first diary on Kos was also a 'here's what's going on and oh, btw, nice to be here' type thing. Go back and read some of the comments on that first diary. A lot of them are not just sort of dazed at responding to a post by Sen. Kerry (and they were) but were emotional posts. I find that very, very interesting. The responses to that first diary were raw, snarky, nice, not nice, and, ahm, emotionally charged in many cases. I haven't finished pondering what this means, but it's a fascinating study. I didn't see that kind of personal and emotional response to some of the other elected officials diaries. (Maybe I missed it.) Hmmmmmmmm.

Kos can try and diminish Kerry or anyone else he wants. He has been doing this since Nov 3, 2004. Still, all that snark and all that condescension and all that belittling didn't stop Sen. Kerry from using Kos as the place to galvanize the lib-blogs and connect with the online Dem community the way he did. It didn't blot that action, it didn't diminish it and it sure as hell didn't stop it. So, bear that in mind when you think of Kos and his little rantings. Sen. Kerry might not do well in his meaningless polls, but he did extremely well when it came time to actually use the lib-blogs for action. Very well indeed.

[beachmom]

30. Well said, Tay Tay!!

What you wrote is exactly how I feel about what John Kerry did. You're right that Kos is sorta nobody, but he is a good snarky writer (resume action: snark skills), and in one full swoop, swept Kerry under the rug as irrelevant. 'Course that's the OPPOSITE of what is true.

I felt bad after this all happened (I mailed a nice, but slightly emotional thank you card to the Senator). But I'm beginning to feel better now. The more I think about it, the more I think he is a real hero, based on personal experience. I wish there was some MSM reporting of what the lib blogs did and his role in it. They can even snark a little but I would like some stats.

On the commenting on JK's diary -- yeah, people talked about having an "emotional hangover". Maybe a lot of the people who posted then, are skipping dKos now. And the other argument (like what Karynnj said) is that people may want someone else for '08, but that doesn't mean they hate Kerry. They might think the world of him, but just want somebody new. That puts them in the persuadable category if you ask me.

[TayTay]

32. It's going to be interesting for '08

The MSM doesn't yet understand the blogs. That's because the blogs are kind of thought of as a untested medium. (What are we anyway? A library, a pizza and pajama party, a place to go to recruit foot soldiers, a gathering of eggheads, a place to say any damn thing that pops into your head regardless of whether or not it makes sense and so forth.) It's a work in progress.

Kos is important. His writing sets the style for his blog. But that can be overwritten. As someone else on this thread pointed out, Kos never liked Kerry in 2003 or 2004. So what? I think the '08 race is not yet really on. (I like Russ Feingold, but I do not think he has a chance anywhere outside of the blogs. Great man, but he is not going to be first tier in '08. Neither is Joe Biden. The interesting people to watch right now are Kerry, Clinton, Warner and Bayh and maybe Edwards. And probably a Player to be Named Later. Some of that is due to name recognition, some to the ability to raise money.)

[ginnyinWI]

45. ooh TayTay, nice catch!

That was a really good observation! I noticed that too. They responded to him emotionally, as their leader and protector--someone with the answers. Because he's a natural leader--people can't help but respond that way. People rally around and stay rallied. Well, not everyone, but more than a few. People were remembering the connections they made to JK during the election campaign, and spoke from that place. Whether they were positive or negative, they were crying out from their hearts. Nothing Kos or anyone else does can stop that.

[wisteria]

29. Kos seems to want some people to kiss his *ss. I've taken to calling

him little turd - sort of a take off on turd blossom. Anyway, I wouldn't expect him to come around. He has to keep people coming there so he has to be a jerk to Kerry when he can.

I saw Feingold's post, very good IMO, but it only had 175 posts when I checked I would bet it isn't anywhere the number Kerry received.

[beachmom]

31. Actually, I think it was 400+ when I last looked

How many posts did JK get for the last diary (Filibuster Alito)? I'm thinking 700, but I'm not sure. The point is that once you post intermittently, you're going to get less posts.

[TayTay]

33. Nearly 800, but it went 'wide' to a lot of other blogs.

Ahm, again, didn't DU got to defcon 4 over Alito and rename the forums because of Sen. Kerry's call to action?

[beachmom]

34. Defcon 4!! You make me laugh, Tay Tay!

Yes, yes, and yes. It was HUGE. Isn't there a reporter somewhere, anywhere, who can take this story within the story and run with it? Seems pretty damned interesting.

[Mass]

35. Another reason they love Feingold

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00011

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 109th Congress - 2nd Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate

Vote Summary

Question: On Passage of the Bill (H.R. 4659 )
Vote Number: 11 Vote Date: February 2, 2006, 10:02 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Bill Passed
Measure Number: H.R. 4659
Measure Title: A bill to amend the USA PATRIOT ACT to extend the sunset of certain provisions of such Act.
Vote Counts: YEAs 95
NAYs 1
Not Voting 4

Of Course, this is only a 5 weeks extension so that people do not have to rush in debates, but they love this and think it is a principled stand.

[wisteria]

36. I say bid deal. He has never voted for the Patriot Act. His

principled stand came back them. He never liked it why would he vote to extend it? Personally, I am not entirely opposed to a couple of things in this act-but just a couple. I trust JK judgment on this. I question Feingold ability to protect us, if he were to become President,since he never votes to strengthen or defend American from our enemies.

[Mass]

38. In fact, he did

He voted for the Senate version of the Patriot Act last year and for the extension at the end of last year.

In addition, contrarely to what the "lefties" said, the Patriot Act would not disappear if it was not renewed. A handful of controversial propositions would and even Feingold does not want to abolish them. He is in agreement with Kerry, Kennedy, Boxer, and all the other ones to modify them.

This said, it is true that politically speaking, his vote on the Patriot Act, while the left loves it, probably does not please many of the primary voters nor the general election voters.

Careful though, if they studied Feingold's foreign and military agendas, they would be surprised to see he is as hawkish as Kerry, if not more. I have heard him on Iran and Hamas say things that would be highly controversial said by Kerry.

[wisteria]

46. Thank you for the info, I'll have to pay more attention from now on

to Feingold.
You are correct though, I think he would have difficulties with general election voters.

[ProSense]

37. The best way to try to protect individual rights

was to LEAD a filibuster of Alito.

[Mass]

39. But for them it is not as sexy

I dont disagree with you, and they dont see that this vote was purely symbolic, but that is how it is. (if Kerry had voted like that, they would say it is political, though).

[jenndar]

40. Right.

They'd say he wasn't being a team player.

[ProSense]

42. Principled? Not Pandering? Sounds like Byrd! Theirs are principled

votes with caveats that result in the confirmation of Alito, Roberts and Rice. No thanks.

[Mass]

44. What is even more amazing is that they focus on this vote

(for 5 weeks), but ignore the 18 democrats who voted for the tax cuts. People go through these economic votes without any interest, as if they did not need to eat tomorrow.

Actually, the sign of leadership from Feingold is not to have voted against a temporary extension. It is to see if he can push the negotiations so that the final version is acceptable. We'll see.

[wisteria]

47. Mass, do you know who the 18 Dems were that voted for the tax cuts? n/t

[Mass]

48. Here - No real surprise for me.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00010

What gets to me is that I have seen at least 5 diaries about the kos column(s), but, each time somebody wants to make a diary about the economical issues, they automatically sink.

[beachmom]

50. Clinton - Yea, Lieberman - Nay. Very interesting

You know Lieberman pisses me off beyond belief, but on the bread and butter issues, he actually is quite liberal, isn't he? It's just foreign policy and not being partisan to the point of surrendering to the other side that he is seen as a betrayer. And why is Clinton voting for this? It's like she's thumbing her nose to her husband's fiscal discipline!! And that Mary Landrieu -- she's not all that liberal, is she. She seems to vote with the Republicans more often than not.

[TayTay]

51. Landreiu is puzzling.

She has been all but crying on the Senate floor for money to rebuild Louisiana and New Orleans. And yet she has votes like this in which she eliminates the funding by backing these dumb tax cuts for the rich. How are we supposed to take her seriously when she pleads for help and money. Sigh! Kerry is more consistent on LA and funding for the Gulf area than anyone actually from the Gulf area in the Senate. Sigh!

[wisteria]

52. I would bet these tax credits benefit indirectly some of Hillary's

contributors- hate to say it but I really feel this way. There is a site which list these types of things, i'll see it I can locate it.

As for Landrieu, I think the Repubs are dangling the funds for NO in front of her and using them as bait. I'm sure the angry people of NO somehow blame the politicians locally for their grief and are still looking for aid money.She may feel she will be out of a job if she doesn't come up with the aid.

[ProSense]

55. Hilary gives back

Wal-Mart money---article at link below, but check this snip:

Teresa Heinz Kerry, the wife of Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., gave Clinton $2,100. John Kerry, who lost the 2004 presidential race, is also considered a presidential prospect in 2008.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2437583&mesg_id=2437583

[wisteria]

56. I look at THK's donation this way, she could not graciously decline

to give her anything. Bill Clinton helped JK our and all that.

[ProSense]

57. I don't find it

unsual at all because they are both actively trying to ensure Democrats get elected. Teresa probably contributes to the campaigns of a lot of Democrats.

[karynnj]

58. Also the Kerrys hosted a fund raiser (2?) for her early

last year, so it might have been considered standard to contribute. (But I'm sure Teresa has made her choice already for 2008)

[kerrygoddess]

59. They did host a fundraiser for her

For her Senate campaign. Technically, she transfer funds left over from that campaign to a presidential campaign if she "decides" to run for 08. No doubt if JK were up for re-election in the Senate she would do the same for him.

[wisteria]

53. Thanks, and I know what you mean. I think many at DU are only

interested in the posts that seem to take jabs at Bush. So amy politician that does anything contrary to what Bush wants rallies the DU Bush haters.

[LittleClarkie]

54. Actually he did go up a point

and I actually thought that Kos was saying it was because he'd listened to the grassroots. Kos is softening. And a majority of Kossacks have as well. My last diary that got attention (yesterday didn't count, as it only got 4 replies) had about 50 posts in it, and not ONE negative toward Kerry. That's amazing! I'm used to be just crucified over there. There are still the few idiots, but I think the majority over there are willing to cut him some slack for the moment.

[BlueIris]

60. I think Kos folk are actually worst than the inbred assholes in GD.

And that my sweet friends, is saying something.