Ok - I'm doing it - Kerry up next

[jillan]

So says OLielly.

Hey I just bought some Samuel Adams at the grocery store -
why not?

[karynnj]

1. Said Kerry came within a "whisper " of winning

[jillan]

3. ohhh - you're braving it with me.

[jillan]

2. He looks gorgeous - pink tie.

Olie - why didn't we do this before?

New York Times- Kerry - go to the leakers, not the paper.

Kerry now talking about this admin so secret

[karynnj]

8. Also looks like he's in Senate office.

Not sure because I can't type without looking because I'm pathetic.

[jillan]

4. Iran - talking about timetable

Kerry very firm...O'Lie keeps interrupting.

Kerry too intellectual for him.
Kerry interrupts him. lol

on edit - Kerry is using a very stern no-nonsense tone of voice.

[_dynamicdems]

12. It's not an equal debate...

it's like Einstein haveing a debate with Elmer Fudd.

[jillan]

15. Perfect analogy!

[_dynamicdems]

40. The funniest line: "I'm a big environmental man."

Well, sure he is if spreading around a lot of manure counts!

I :rolf: at that line. Imagine O'Lielly comparing himself to Gore and Kerry!

[Mass]

5. Thanks, I dont have cable and I am listening to the gov debate on

NPR here. So I will be happy to read your report.

[karynnj]

6. Kerry said he should have come on during the campaign

always got a fair shake.

On NYT - he said that leakers should be prosecuted, but mentioned that Bush has broken the law on the NSA taps. O'Reilly wants to know why the Democrats didn't indict him. Mentioned censure, mentioned who controls Congress

Now - explaining the Iraq solution - did a nice job.

Iran - He agrees they are the biggest potential threat. about same as MTP answer

[ginnyinWI]

21. "Well, who controls Congress? Who controls Congress??"

He made O'Reilly say "the Republicans". Snap!

[jillan]

7. oh here we go - after the commercial - why did you vote against

making English as our official language.

Kerry is one very brave man.

[fedupinBushcountry]

9. The thing is

when they show JK listening to O'Liely, he has that look like, guy you are so full of yourself.

I have not tuned into Fox since I had to for the Dem president debate.

[ProSense]

29. I thought

Kerry's expression was: OMG, this asshole is a fool!

Kerry cut the little wimp down to size!

[jillan]

10. Kerry - "English is the national language"

I didn't like the wording of the amendment.

Now the environment -
(O'Reilly is a dickhead)
Why hasn't Gore and Kerry gotten us ethanol?
Why hasn't Kerry done anything about the border, he's been in the senate long enough.

Kerry I always vote for ethanol.
O'lie - why didn't it get done during Clinton?
K - we didn't get enough done during Clinton.
Political system is overally dependent on campaign contributions.

The American people have been sold short by the congress -Kerry
Both parties at fault.

------
over- Kerry did great.
I repeat, O'lie is a condesending dickhead.

[karynnj]

11. Immigration

Border - Kerry said that as an ex proscecutor he always said that they want to close the border. Mentioned his amendment to add troops. On English, Kerry didn't like the wording - O'Reily gave in.

Asked about why Brazil is self sufficient , why didn't Kerry and Gore do that. Kerry admitted that Clinton didn't do enough. He said Congress didn't do enough. O'Reilly took Kerry's proposals and said he should do them.

Looking at Pirhana's comments - I agree Kerry did great and was honest. I wonder what if anything was editted out on the environment. What it did do was clearly put Kerry on record as clearly saying Clinton didn't do enough - but he called the whole post Carter period "the years the locusts ate" in Boston.

He did get ahead of him on the borders.

[jillan]

13. back to Olbermann

yuck, that's enuf Fake news for me.

[_dynamicdems]

16. I want to hear if he trashes Kerry after the fact. n/t

[blm]

14. The EDITS were so apparent - Kerry wasn't even half way thru with some of

his sentences on some of them.

That one hour interview sure got chopped down and chopped UP.

[jillan]

17. Overall I think it went well - do you?

[globalvillage]

18. Yep.

I thought he did very well.

[blm]

19. It was OK. I was looking for the edits and saw too many for my liking.

.

[karynnj]

25. I doubt it was more than 10 minutes

Where I thought it was chopped was the environment. If they chopped it - I hope Kerry taped it himself.

[Mass]

26. Also, O'Reilly said he voted for the flag amendment and you dont

hear Kerry say he did not. I wonder whether this was cut?

[karynnj]

31. Didn't Kerry vote for the Durbin amendment?

He didn't let Kerry answer.

[Mass]

32. He did, but most people will understand he voted for the other one.

[beachmom]

30. Okay, I'm with BLM. The edits ruined the interview.

Some of it didn't even make sense -- like he was going to make a few points, and then made only one. The questions were dumb, and the "let's blame Gore and Kerry" for not having the environmental laws was just ridiculous -- um, there are, you know, 100 senators, and if more than 50 are in the pocket of oil interests, then it's over.

The other day I got to watch Kerry's speech from Faneuil Hall about Energy Independence, so I just lack the patience for these stupid cable TV interviews. It was just so chopped up, that the beautiful arguments and rhetoric about his vision didn't have time to come out. I really think soundbites are the death of democracy.

[karynnj]

33. Well Beachmom,

Kerry did get in that he voted for it every time it came before him. I guess O'Reilly thinks Kerry can unilaterally sneak into the Senate late at night and use a special eraser (developed at MIT) and erase and change the votes of bad Senators. Then in the morning simply look innicent and say things like, "Jeff, that's the way you voted. Don't you remember?

I think Kerry did get some detail on the Iraq plan - which is important as he showed it was far more than just a deadline. O'Reilly just looked like a lunatic on the environment - Kerry has the best Senate record and Gore is a leader on this. On immigration, it just made Kerry look stronger - I like Kerry's full answer - I wonder why O'Reilly would cut the amnesty and the not hiring parts.

I think it one of the more useless interviews, but he certainly didn't "get' him on anything.

[ProSense]

34. I think

it was useful in the sense that O'Lielly looked like a chump! His audience is used to seeing him bully his guests, but he had to asked some far-fetched leading questions, trying to get a rise out of Kerry, who responded forcefully and intelligently. The questions were stupid, but the responses side-stepped the moronic nature of the questions and instead addressed the implications.

[karynnj]

35. Good point

I probably need to rewatch it - I actually saw little of it - because I was trying to summarize it. What I did see was Kerry speaking very sincerely and calmly and O'Reilly looking occasionally like a madman (esp on English and on the environment). I can't imagine what a typical Fox viewer would think.

[ginnyinWI]

20. It was a rout.

The good Senator wrestled him to the ground with one hand. :rofl:
It was a joy to watch! O'Reilly kept trying to get him on the defensive by making accusations--and Kerry deftly sidestepped them and turned the question around. O'Reilly couldn't lay a glove on him; he was helpless before the Master of Debate. :) :) :)

I LOVED the look on his face! Lol. He was a cat playing with a mouse! I hope he does this again--because FOX viewers NEED to see how reasonable, strong on defense, smart and patriotic the man really is.

[ProSense]

22. Damn it!

I missed it. I spent the last 10 minutes trying to find Fox on my TV, never (well, almost never) watch it!

[ginnyinWI]

23. Isn't it repeated? I think it is, later in the evening. n/t

[Mass]

24. part of the video is on line.

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player05.html?062906/062906_oreilly_kerry&OReilly_Factor&Exclusive%21%20Sen.%20John%20Kerry&acc&O%26%2339%3BReilly%20Factor&234&exp

I just listened to part 1 - excellent. Listening to part2 now.

[ProSense]

27. Thanks!

Watching now!

[_dynamicdems]

37. He was amazingly patient with O'Leilly. Only just a tad bit

condescending. How could he not be? Everyone who does an interview with this guy seems to be holding back the laughter. To his credit, JK was pretty respectful. And oddly enough, I think O'Lielly, in his twisted way, responded to that. Too funny. The senator seemed to be enjoying himself and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he actually liked O'Lielly on some level, sort of like a kid who picks up a slimy toad and is fascinated by it. We know he's not afraid to associate with slimy toads. Aren't McCain, Biden and Imus "friends" of Kerry's?

[jillan]

28. olielly seemed a little intimidated

He knew he was way out of his league.

[ginnyinWI]

36. I don't think he realized it right away

He was going along, getting his questions in, but then Kerry turned the questions around and said what he wanted to say and didn't fall into any traps. But he did it so skillfully that he didn't get O'Reilly's dander up--and I imagine that only afterward he realized JK had controlled the interview.

I haven't watched Bill much--I know more about him from watching Colbert's parody of him. I'm not sure if he's really that clueless, or is just playing the "average doofus on the street" for the audience. He sounds like my dad--biased and uninformed!

As with Tweety, Bill seemed tamed down in JK's presence. Does this happen naturally because of JK's alpha-maleness? They can be insulting enough behind his back.

[_dynamicdems]

38. Oh, he's clueless allright.

All he can do is mouth off and try to nail people on the issues. He's trying to be a cross-between Rush and Tweety but he fails on both counts. Rush is funny. Tweety is smart. O'Lielly is neither.

[politicasista]

39. I agree with the editing. Too much

I never watch Faux news. Too much gush for Bush and snark.

I too think Kerry needs to stop going on these whore shows and do some real shows like The Daily Show or some urban talk radio (i.e. Tom Joyner or Al Sharpton, though some may see it as pandering:shrug:).

Too many people are misinformed and depend and demand media soundbytes at the same time.

[ginnyinWI]

57. I think he should do more of them, not fewer.

This show and network is where some very disenchanted Republicans can be found. He gets points from them just for coming on the show and being interviewed by their "tough guy". The only way they will get to see the real John Kerry is if they listen to what he says directly, because the spin is always bad.

He selectively talked about issues Republicans care most about--even deflecting questions and replacing topics. I think it was a very smart move.

[Mass]

41. My only problem with this interview is the "we have to succeed".

Democrats in general are so afraid to be called weak and "cut and run" that they make the message muddy. I think it is too bad that he (and Feingold, and Boxer, ...) cant just cut the rethoric and tell these guys they are full of it and that we have to leave because it will not get better before we leave. Sure, we can help the Iraqis after the troops have left (and this is what the Kerry-Feingold proposition is doing), but we have to leave because the Bush policy is not working.

Why cant they say that that simply? I am afraid that they are falling in the GOP trap, trying to prove a negative (which is not possible) rather than proposing an alternate solution.

Unfortunately, it still seems that, each time Kerry starts to propose something interesting and novel, he tries to justify himself this way and it will not work (probably still too many consultants around him).

[wisteria]

43. Maybe it is the difference between pessimism or possibility.

Also, there are those who have concerns about what happens in the Middle East if we were to leave Iraq in a shambles and with a weak government. Certainly, as you note, Bush's strategy is failing. Maybe we should emphasis this and play up our plans for success.

[Mass]

45. delete - I dont want to offend.

[TayTay]

47. Iran is a threat to the United States

And I want Kerry to be very, very tough on international terrorism. I want him to emphasize that if he were President he would be fighting a real battle against people who mean to cause death and destruction among innocent people. I want him to understand and talk about how the US has to get tough against real enemies. I love it when he talks about port security and how the US is blowing this opportunity to toughen up our border protection services. This is real stuff.

There is an actual enemy out there that the Bush Admin is ignoring. There is a threat from a radicalized element that is defaulting to an extremely conservative religious extremism to give it just cause to attack the West. I want that guarded against. I want Kerry to stand up and say, decisively, that he will actually do something against this very real threat.

Iran is a country that is sponsoring world terrorism. The Bush Admin had a chance to aid more moderating forces in that troubled country and utterly blew it. Kerry has said that he knows and understands this. I believe that Iran is years away from a nuclear bomb. I don't doubt for one second that they would acquire one if they could. They are bad guys, really bad guys, intent on repealing rights for women and minorities and support repressive measures against their own people. I would not support John Kerry if I didn't think he understood this.

[Mass]

49. I deleted my post before I saw your answer.

[TayTay]

44. I completely disagree Mass

I don't understand how you can find this unclear:

Let me say it plainly. Let me say it plainly. It's not enough to argue with the
logistics or to argue about the details or the manner of the conflict's execution or the
failures of competence, as great as they are. It is essential to acknowledge that the war
itself was a mistake. (Cheers, applause.) To say the simple words. (Applause.) To say -
- to say the simple words that contain more truth than pride.

We were misled. We were given evidence that was not true. It was wrong, and I
was wrong to vote for that Iraqi war resolution. (Cheers, applause.) And I will vote --
(prolonged cheers and applause) -- and I will vote -- (cheers and applause continuing) --

John Kerry, Take Back America Speech, June 13, 2006

The rest is just talk show stuff. The bulk of Americans saw the excerpts from that conference and think: Iraq War, hmmm, he's agin it and for a withdrawal plan. The bulk of Americans do no watch Bill O'Lielly and do not watch the political junky shows like Hardball. That criticism is only valid among the political junkies, and that is only about 3% of the population or less.

I think you are picking the tiniest of nits here. There are occasion when it is okay to explain a policy. This seems like one of them.

[Mass]

46. I have no pbs with the speech that he gave at TBA.

Unfortunately, a lot more people will hear the interview he gave on FOX than this speech or the Faneuil Hall speeches.

[TayTay]

48. No they won't.

The news media did a 'bob' on the Kerry speech at the TBA conf, but they did do one thing well; they emphasized that Kerry supports a withdrawal plan to get troops out of Iraq. Sen. Clinton does not.

The audience for Fox is limited and is actually decreasing. There is no evidence to support the fact that more will hear this interview than heard snippets from the TBA conf. I think the reverse is true.

[Mass]

50. Let's agree to disagree on these subjects.

[karynnj]

51. I didn't hear it that way

I heard it in the same way I heard him say to Warner that his is a plan to succeed. He then spoke of the over the horizon forces to deal with foreign terrorists and (I think) on going diplomacy. I think what is powerful about the Kerry plan that became Kerry/Feingold is that it is not throwing his hands up into the air. He does clearly say the Bush plan isn't working and that our presence on the ground inflames the situation rather than helps it.

I think Kerry is re-defining success and wants the US focused on the non-state terrorists rather than fixing a civil war.

[Mass]

54. May be you are right. I dont know,

[wisteria]

42. Anyone think it would do any good to contact O'Reilly and let

him know we enjoyed the interview with Kerry?

[karynnj]

52. But would have liked it better

if it was longer and had fewer obvious cuts. Maybe flattering him to say that a nice low key real discussion between him as "everyman" questioning John Kerry and exploring what his ideas really are once you get past slogans and sound bites. (I wonder if Kerry wins here just because the Fox carricature obviously doesn't fit - Kerry is not a wild eyed lunatic, but a well spoken, intelligent, sensible man. I think some of his answers would reassure some viewers. I still don't know what O'Reily the instant environmentalist was all about - maybe pushing Kerry to try to out do him. Kerry just gave an entire speech and has over 35 years on record.

[ProSense]

53. One of the most defining parts of the entire interview

was at the very beginning when O'Leilly challenged Kerry about his not appearing on the show before. He tried hard to make it seem that Kerry was avoiding him. As Kerry nailed him, O'Leilly said something stupid about "I heard you didn't like me." LOL!

[wisteria]

55. I think i will incorporate some of you suggestions into my response

to the show. Good points.

[Mass]

56. Transcripts.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,201705,00.html