KOEB Meeting 1/15/08 Vegas, Baby, Vegas! Edition

[Berry Cool]

:hi: Time for another Democratic debate...and this time, it's personal.

Let's get rrrrrrready to RRRRRRUMBLE!!!!!!

[WolverineDG]

1. Any news on the Kucinich lawsuit?

:hi:

dg

[MrMickeysMom]

8. They certainly are waiting until the last minute, aren't they?

[SeattleGirl]

2. In this co-nah, KO!

Hi Berry! :hi:

[Berry Cool]

5. It's not every bout that STARTS with a KO...

but this one does!

How are y'all?

No word on Kucinich yet.

[ralps]

3. Hi BerryBush, Hi Everyone! Cool graphic!!

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[bleever]

4. Is that Keef with a badger on his head

instead of an otter?

[Berry Cool]

"Charlie Rangel?"

Sorry, I had to say it.

And I admit, I "borrowed" the image from a Kossack.

[MrMickeysMom]

6. Hiya Everyone!

I'm through puking after Mr. Ass Clown Tim Russert, and ready to watch with you all!

:hi:

[GigiMommy]

7. Tyra Bags? Hi All

:hi:

[GigiMommy]

9. That SUCKS!!!!!

[Berry Cool]

13. Looks like the Kucinich drama is over.

It will be interesting to see the justification for the ruling. Probably that NBC is a business and can pick and choose whom to feature on its news programming.

[MrMickeysMom]

21. But, how does that fly?

I mean, it's a political debate, for crying out loud.

Oh, I'm really depressed over this... Really.

[Berry Cool]

It doesn't matter.

They probably cannot force MSNBC to have Kucinich any more than they can force them to offer a forum to Lyndon LaRouche.

[WolverineDG]

37. Well, just because you CAN do something

doesn't mean you SHOULD.

Words of advice from my dad, who had a degree in business.

dg

[Berry Cool]

46. No, but just because you CAN do something and you do it

doesn't mean someone can legally stop it, no matter how much you don't like it.

In other words, Dorothy, I'm afraid Toto will have to go.

[WolverineDG]

51. A word of advice to MSNBC

You want a way out of this shithole you dug for yourself? Put Kucinich on the stage anyway.

And if you're man enough to do that, I hope he's man enough to tell you to go fuck yourselves live on air & then walk off.

dg

[Patsy Stone]

53. That

would be AWESOME!!!!

:hi:

NBC, you suck. :puke:

[WolverineDG]

And that would be the only story coming out of this debate

heh

:evilgrin:

dg

[Berry Cool]

60. I don't see why they fought him so viciously myself.

Maybe it was the principle of the thing, but all it did was give him an opportunity to self-righteously grandstand and play the martyr role. And he LOVES that. And it makes them look like the big bad guys.

He's going to milk this for all it's worth.

[Patsy Stone]

62. Absolutely!

:toast:

[MrMickeysMom]

70. What do you think KO thinks about his network...

... that he didn't before?

[Berry Cool]

77. Probably not much.

I doubt he is deluded into believing that they are in business for any reason other than to make money.

[Patsy Stone]

96. I'm sure

he knows it's a business thing, but I would hope somewhere he's a little disturbed they went to so much trouble, so publicly, to keep him out.

[GigiMommy]

22. They already made the ads...

they can't allow Kucinich in the debate. They would have to redo the edit.

[MrMickeysMom]

31. give me an "F"... give me an "A"...

give me a "C" ... give me an "S"... give me an "I"... give me an "S" ... give me a "T"

The corporations truly have us now... everything...,

[Berry Cool]

32. Trust me, that isn't it.

They could redo the ads in a twinkle.

[GigiMommy]

41. I'm joking, I know

I'm a Video Editor.

[MrMickeysMom]

43. Wow.. you guys are high tech...

and I need to calm down for a second!

[Berry Cool]

48. OK. Don't worry, you don't need a sarcasm drip

although that one was subtle enough that it would have helped. :-)

[MrMickeysMom]

55. No, I wasn't kidding... you are high tech compared to moi!

I'm dripless tonight.... Just incredibly angry over this news and other news of the day-

I hope KO mentions the supreme court decision today- reported that banks and financial institutions involved with corporations when investors are defrauded, the banks and financial institutions are NOT responsible.

Another example of the SCOTUS last 2 nominees being allows confirmation- and corporatism is ushered in! Corporations are MORE EQUAL than citizens!

[Berry Cool]

79. I meant that GigiMommy didn't need a sarcasm-drip smiley when she said

"They can't have Kucinich in, they'd have to redo the ads." :rofl: It just would've helped in that case!

[MrMickeysMom]

86. Oooohh

I C!

[GigiMommy]

88. You're right, maybe I should EDIT my post...

it's been a while, I might be a little rusty.

[GigiMommy]

58. Michississippi?

That's why I'm an out of work Video Editor.

[MrMickeysMom]

61. LOL!

[Berry Cool]

80. So things are bad for video editors in Michigan, I gather.

Well, don't look for a job making cars, either. No matter WHAT Mittens tells you.

[GigiMommy]

95. Just about EVERYTHING here

revolves around the Auto Industry. When they slash their budgets they don't need corporate videos. One of the last edits that I worked on was for Ford about their "Buyout" program.

[Berry Cool]

99. That stinks.

I know what you mean from having lived in Rochester. When Kodak got a cold, the whole city sneezed.

[MrMickeysMom]

100. GigiMommy... do you really think the Democratic turnout was that bad?

I was hoping that what happened in MI would have just encouraged turnout, regardless.

[GigiMommy]

105. I voted around

1:30pm and I was #161. In 2004, I had to wait in line for half an hour to vote.

[WolverineDG]

10. Oh well,

should I tune out in protest?

I'm not supporting Kucinich, but that invite/uninvite really pisses me off.

dg

[Berry Cool]

16. Did they invite him and then uninvite him?

That's tacky.

[WolverineDG]

30. Yes

they first said he met the criteria then a few days later changed the criteria to exclude him.

dg

[Berry Cool]

36. Then they didn't play fair with him

but it's likely not something a court would recognize as depriving him or anyone else of a right of any kind.

Much like if someone tells you they'll sell you something, then changes their mind and sells it to someone else, before you gave them any money.

[MrMickeysMom]

17. I'm not so sure I won't tune out in protest, I'm THAT upset!

[MrMickeysMom]

11. GOD DAMN IT!

The decision is WRONG!

What the Hell? We are in a complete fascist state of affairs now, I tell you. This is WRONG!

[Berry Cool]

54. It's not fascism. Yet.

Fascism would be if the White House took over MSNBC, kicked off Keith and everyone else we like and replaced them with Dana Perino and her elves.

[MrMickeysMom]

59. How about reading up above (#55) and see if we're just a little bit closer?

[SeattleGirl]

12. SC ruled against Kucinich.

He can't be in the debate.

This sucks. I'm an Edwards supporter, but what the freak? Now the courts are deciding who can participate?

[MrMickeysMom]

14. I am so mad about this, I can hardly think now..

The media drive this stuff and they are in charge.

I've got to tell you I am SO MAD about this...

[Berry Cool]

18. What they would probably say is that no one is stopping Kucinich from appearing

at another debate on another network. If another network will have him.

It might be along the same principles that Don Imus doesn't have a "right" to have a TV show.

[SeattleGirl]

19. I know, MMM

They are just being so damned blatant now, it's disgusting.

[Berry Cool]

25. Here's the good news.

If we were still a three-TV-network country, this would amount to a total Kucinich freeze-out of one-third of a major medium for communication of his message.

We're not anymore. Not only do we have other networks, we have the Internet.

MSNBC may be silencing Kucinich, but they're just one outlet.

[WolverineDG]

45. It's time for those of us in the audience

to stop being polite & start demanding accountability from the MSM. You use OUR airwaves, you put on OUR candidates.

dg

[MrMickeysMom]

66. I'm with you all the way on that, dg

[Berry Cool]

67. I believe our legal system has decided they aren't "our airwaves" anymore.

We live in a cable and satellite dish and fiberoptic world. Because we are no longer limited to watching and listening to sound and pictures broadcast over a narrow range of frequencies, the media need no longer use our limited resource known as "airwaves" to reach us. Therefore, they no longer have an obligation to serve the public interest. They are free to do whatever they think will make them the most money.

We are very fortunate that right now, MSNBC thinks that showing us Keith at 8 ET five nights a week will make them the most money. If they ever decide that's not the case, he goes bye-bye.

[MrMickeysMom]

65. I know you're trying to be positive...

... There are still so many people who don't have the internet, or can't afford large band widths, though.

[Berry Cool]

72. Actually, I'm not trying to be positive, I'm trying to be truthful.

The whole "need of TV and radio stations and networks to serve in the public interest" was predicated on the principle that when one obtained a broadcasting license, one had purchased the right to use a band on a limited spectrum of frequencies that belonged to the people. Therefore, you had to spend at least part of your time serving the people. If the people complained about how you used (or misused) your license, you could lose it.

That's still true of local stations, but with networks it's gone the way of the dinosaur, it seems.

To add: Everyone these days can have an audience, if they want one. But they don't have a right to a large audience. These days, the right to a large audience is determined by those who attract the most attention. However they attract it. And it's determined by however those who control the gateway to the larger audiences determine they have the right to it.

[Berry Cool]

49. They're deciding who can be in this one.

Not in all of them.

[MrMickeysMom]

15. Can you believe the number one issue is NOT Iraq, anyone?

[Berry Cool]

20. What I can't believe is that Mike Huckabee wants to change the Constitution

so it hews to the Bible.

Then again, I can believe it, all right. :scared:

[MrMickeysMom]

24. Yeah, whose God and Who decides?

Oy...

[GigiMommy]

23. I VOTED!!!

I was the only one there when I did it though.

[Patsy Stone]

28. So you're the one.

:hi:

[GigiMommy]

34. Hi Patsy!!

:hi:

[Patsy Stone]

26. Great picture!

:hi:, all!

Always Double Down on 11

[Berry Cool]

42. And, if you're Rudy Giuliani,

always double down on 9/11.

[Patsy Stone]

47. Rudy

is all in when it comes to that bet. :toast:

[Patsy Stone]

27. LEAVE MY CONSTITUTION ALONE!!!!

Crazy Man! :crazy:

[SeattleGirl]

33. Huckadoodle is a whackadoodle!

[MrMickeysMom]

35. Hiya Patsy...

Ozzie Ozborne's , "Goin off the rale on a crazy train" comes to mind...

[WolverineDG]

57. He's scaring non-evangelical Republicans

Good. :evilgrin:

dg

[Patsy Stone]

64. He should

I wonder if he'll win SC. That would be something.

[Greylyn58]

29. Evening All

While Kucinich is not my choice that isn't right. You don't invite him, then un-invite him.

Damn the MSM. They really want to be the ones to choose our candidate.

:hi: Berry and :hi: to my fellow KOEBers! :grouphug:

Huckleberry Hound is one scary, dangerous guy and I've said so from the beginning.

[SeattleGirl]

39. They really do.

GRRRRRRRRRRR!

[MrMickeysMom]

40. Hi GreyLyn!

You're so right.

Liars, Fascists and Nuts!

[GigiMommy]

44. Hi Greylyn and Sheridan!!

:hi: I agree!

[Greylyn58]

38. Okay LIEberman...why don't you just become a Repug!

because you crossed over to the dark side along time ago. Standing there behind McCain, nodded your freakin noggin. Just go...Please!!!

[Berry Cool]

84. Hi. Grey and Woof, Sher.

:hi: Glad you could make it.

[MrMickeysMom]

50. A little to the right with that sword, George...

[GigiMommy]

69. LOL!

[GigiMommy]

52. What a DOOFUS!!!! (Bush that is)

[Berry Cool]

56. Keith looks very handsome tonight.

And the tiara really finishes him off nicely.

[MrMickeysMom]

68. green tie and black suit...

THAT and so many other things look good on this guy...

[SeattleGirl]

63. Damn it! NO PERMANENT TAX CUTS FOR THE FUCKING WEALTHY!

:grr: :grr: :grr:

[Greylyn58]

83. AMEN!!!

If you look back in history, never has this country given freakin tax cuts "To Anyone" during a time of war. We were always asked to sacrifice. Yet this stupid, ass-hat pResident of OUR WHITE HOUSE wants to make these tax cuts permanent.

Damn him and all his cabal for what they have done and continue to do to this country. I so freakin hope that all our Founding Fathers are haunting this man, and continue to haunt him for the remainder of his miserable life.

:grr: :grr: :grr:

[SeattleGirl]

71. I see Nora is wearing her dominatrix outfit!

[Berry Cool]

74. Why does she have to dress like that?

Can you wait to see what Tweety will say? OMG.

That picture of McCain is scary! :scared:

[SeattleGirl]

75. I bet he's already drooling.

:puke:

[bleever]

73. Norah's been in Diana Rigg's closet.

And hurray for the GOPers who finallyfinallyfinallyfinallyfinallyfinallyfinallyfinally don't like the Shrub.

[MrMickeysMom]

76. That's funny...

Double Kick, karate chop!

I still don't trust the electronic voting anywhere to know whether the Democratic turnout was THAT low..

[GigiMommy]

81. I don't see those W bumper stickers

around here like I used to.

[Berry Cool]

87. More and more of them are jumping ship.

Did you hear that even Glenn Beck is going off on Bush since his botched brain surgery?

Oops, sorry, I mean hemmorhoid surgery. Easy mistake.

[SeattleGirl]

90. Hehe, Berry.

[ralps]

78. Today's worst person in the world is Rudi Guiliani!! for speaking at a Bilingual

church last sunday after speaking out against bilingual education (I think) :hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[MrMickeysMom]

82. I think so...

Good to get these things, "on the record" ralps!

[ralps]

92. Hi MrMickeysMom!

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[MrMickeysMom]

98. Hey ralps! I just don't know what I'd do without your kittens tonight!

I'm pretty sure we've entered the fascist state, and when you're up against a bunch of fascists, corporatists, whatever you want to call this ridiculous state we're in.... YOU GOTTA HUG A KITTEN!

:hi:

[Greylyn58]

85. Awww...love the new kitty pic

[ralps]

89. Hi Greylyn58 & Sheridan, thanks

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[bleever]

91. If they wanted a small debate, then Kucinich

was more than qualified.

[Patsy Stone]

107. Rim Shot!

Flavin!

:rofl:

[SeattleGirl]

93. Should we have a separate thread for the debate?

This one is getting long.

[Berry Cool]

102. Sure, you wanna start one?

Feel free. I'm going to go get the last remains of my Cheesecake Factory cake from the fridge and watch. Don't know how much I will post until Keith reappears later.

[SeattleGirl]

103. Sure.

[MrMickeysMom]

94. Stay tuned for the big Football play by play Media GAME, folks!

NOT!

Eat my cat's litter box, MSNBC, NBC, oh, Hell... 6 corporations who own the media!

[Patsy Stone]

97. Mittens wins Michigan

Goody.

[Berry Cool]

101. It's another gold medal for Mittens.

If you listen to him, he's a regular Eric Heiden.

[Patsy Stone]

106. Did you know

John Edwards' father was a mill worker?

[SeattleGirl]

104. HEY Y'ALL! I JUST STARTED A SEPARATE DEBATE THREAD.

Come on over!