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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 05:27 AM Original message |
Find Law: The Cold Hard Proof that the Duke Defendants are Innocent |
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texasleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 05:31 AM Response to Original message |
1. they're white males, so they must be guilty |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 05:37 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Some people appear to think so. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 06:23 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. or, they're rich white males, so they must be innocent |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 03:58 PM Response to Reply #5 |
143. They are guilty or they are innocent. Therefor they are white. |
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ugarte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 07:22 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Sadly, this case does seem to be more about reparations than facts |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 09:28 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. I think that's probably it. They figure SOMEONE must have done it (but |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:47 AM Response to Reply #1 |
37. obviously the girl is lying. She's black AND a stirpper |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:12 AM Response to Reply #37 |
46. As another woman, I was biased in her favor, initially. |
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idgiehkt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 01:00 PM Response to Reply #46 |
216. They are probably trying to avoid riots. |
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idgiehkt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 12:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
215. well, one was a gay-basher |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 07:37 PM Response to Reply #215 |
229. The guy who wrote the e-mail... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 05:41 AM Response to Original message |
3. Bottom line, let's have this go to trial, and see what the jury says |
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Karmakaze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 06:19 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Actually... |
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Moosepoop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 08:12 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. It's a requirement that only guilty suspects go to trial? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 09:43 AM Response to Reply #7 |
16. It's a requirement that the only suspects who go to trial are those the |
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Karmakaze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 05:06 AM Response to Reply #7 |
124. That IS how it works.... |
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Moosepoop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 04:32 PM Response to Reply #124 |
144. If that IS how it works... |
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Karmakaze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 11:27 PM Response to Reply #144 |
148. Not at all... |
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Moosepoop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 12:22 PM Response to Reply #148 |
164. Whose job is it to decide on the evidence? |
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Karmakaze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 01:01 PM Response to Reply #164 |
166. Well... |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 08:13 AM Response to Reply #124 |
233. I disagree |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 08:57 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. And the fact that you're basing this opinion on what the defense has said |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 09:49 AM Response to Reply #8 |
18. The prosecutor tried this case in the media in 70 interviews before |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:37 AM Response to Reply #18 |
30. The prosecutor may have made seventy interviews |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:03 AM Response to Reply #30 |
42. The prosecutor got PLENTY of headlines and a great deal of publicity |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:20 AM Response to Reply #42 |
50. Well, I have to admit that my knowledge of this case is a bit cursory |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:48 AM Response to Reply #50 |
62. What really bothers me is the prosecution's refusal to sit down with |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:59 AM Response to Reply #62 |
68. Well, given how the defense keeps running to the press |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 04:43 PM Response to Reply #30 |
145. I presume they are innocent, until such time as they are proven |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 04:44 PM Response to Reply #8 |
100. Not anymore, NC is an Open Discovery state |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 04:59 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Thanks, BrownOak, for the info. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 03:04 PM Response to Reply #100 |
141. That's right |
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Karmakaze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 05:22 AM Response to Reply #8 |
125. You are wrong... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 10:40 AM Response to Reply #125 |
134. If it goes to trial, and it is clear that there is no evidence against |
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Karmakaze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 11:19 PM Response to Reply #134 |
147. You obviously have NO idea |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 09:59 AM Response to Reply #147 |
158. Sorry, but the law has been followed in this case |
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Karmakaze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 01:20 PM Response to Reply #158 |
168. Sorry but you are wrong. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 01:46 PM Response to Reply #168 |
171. Well thank you for restating my explanation of Grand Jury functions |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 03:01 PM Response to Reply #158 |
220. Witch Hunts |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 04:08 PM Response to Reply #220 |
222. And what have those states that have dropped Grand Juries |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 06:15 PM Response to Reply #222 |
228. Nothing speaks volumes |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 12:36 AM Response to Reply #134 |
152. I'm shocked that so many otherwise intelligent and "progressive" DU'ers |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 10:07 AM Response to Reply #152 |
159. I'm shocked that so many DUers have no concept about a Grand Jury |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 11:03 AM Response to Reply #159 |
160. A grand jury only sees what the prosecutor puts before them. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 11:31 AM Response to Reply #160 |
161. "Politically related prosecution"? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 04:25 PM Response to Reply #161 |
177. Apparently you don't know much about the beginning of the case. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-09-06 05:48 AM Response to Reply #177 |
188. Sounds more like an accident of timing to me |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-09-06 11:03 AM Response to Reply #188 |
190. Or more likely, dismiss it |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-09-06 11:22 AM Response to Reply #190 |
191. And if that happens, fine |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-09-06 11:52 AM Response to Reply #191 |
192. Speaking for myself |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-09-06 11:13 PM Response to Reply #192 |
194. That's what is bothering me, too. It has been enlightening to see |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 07:10 AM Response to Reply #194 |
197. It has also been enlightening to see |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-09-06 11:15 PM Response to Reply #191 |
195. But is it really fine? IF it turns out that this prosecution should never |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 07:24 AM Response to Reply #195 |
198. Yes it really is fine |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 08:14 AM Response to Reply #198 |
199. You have a good point |
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Karmakaze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 11:05 AM Response to Reply #198 |
210. That is bullshit... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 04:00 PM Response to Reply #210 |
221. No friend, what is bullshit |
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Karmakaze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 08:07 AM Response to Reply #221 |
232. Yet more bullshit. |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 01:55 PM Response to Reply #188 |
217. He's already essentially fully elected |
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Moosepoop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 11:54 AM Response to Reply #160 |
163. Snotty and spoiled and entitled?? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 04:16 PM Response to Reply #163 |
176. My son is clean cut, athletic, and wears clothes like theirs.I didn't say |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 09:39 AM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Yes. Prosecuting a case does not mean throwing stuff at a wall and |
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Mandate My Ass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 09:42 AM Original message |
the jury looks at all the evidence |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
19. The prosecutor is NOT considering the exculpatory evidence, though |
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Mandate My Ass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 09:42 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. the jury looks at all the evidence |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 08:52 AM Response to Reply #15 |
203. If somebody accused you of rape, or robbery, or kidnapping, |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:00 AM Response to Reply #4 |
23. I learned that watching |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 09:33 AM Response to Reply #3 |
12. Bottom line, prosecutor's normally are SELECTIVE about the cases they |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:39 AM Response to Reply #12 |
31. Well, apparently the prosecutor had enough |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:46 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. It's called "indicting a ham sandwich." And it's not that unusual. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:26 AM Response to Reply #34 |
52. LOL, now it's the Grand Jury's fault! |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:42 AM Response to Reply #52 |
59. Your respect for the independence of grand juries is admirable. |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:44 AM Response to Reply #52 |
60. A "pretty decent" system of justice? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:56 AM Response to Reply #60 |
67. Better than anything else that has come down the pike |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 02:04 PM Response to Reply #67 |
218. Not everybody agrees with you |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 04:11 PM Response to Reply #218 |
223. Umm, please read for comprehension, not speed, nor blinded by fury. |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 04:58 PM Response to Reply #223 |
227. My bad.... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:52 AM Response to Reply #52 |
65. I don't want the justice system done away with. I want the presumption |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 09:43 AM Response to Reply #3 |
17. right, if... |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:52 AM Response to Reply #3 |
39. Oh, Wise Words |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:28 AM Response to Reply #39 |
53. Thank you for the kind words and breath of sanity |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 12:04 PM Response to Reply #53 |
71. Same Here... weird isn't it? |
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Karmakaze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 11:31 PM Response to Reply #53 |
149. You're being attacked for not understanding justice |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 01:17 PM Response to Reply #149 |
167. LOL, that's a good one, I *don't understand* justice |
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Karmakaze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 01:35 PM Response to Reply #167 |
169. Nope, you obviously don't... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 02:01 PM Response to Reply #169 |
172. *shakes head* |
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Karmakaze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #172 |
209. Wrong again... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 04:17 PM Response to Reply #209 |
224. You obviously have only a vague, nodding acquaintance |
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Karmakaze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 08:21 AM Response to Reply #224 |
234. Wait, you are ALMOST there!!!! |
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stanwyck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 04:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
99. Thank you, MadHound. This is for the legal system |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 05:04 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. Presumption of innocence, speedy trial, issues of race and class and bias |
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stanwyck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 05:12 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. we don't have the facts. So our discussion |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 05:55 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. There is plenty that is substantive in the articles that you've chosen |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 08:40 AM Response to Reply #3 |
200. Oh that's a load of shit. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 08:56 AM Response to Reply #3 |
205. I could go to the police tomorrow and accuse you of some hideous |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
9. The Find Law people are a bunch of thigh-rubbing-misogynist.... |
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Moosepoop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 11:46 AM Response to Reply #9 |
162. Not all of them. Just Jonna Spilbor. n/t |
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Mandate My Ass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
11. funny how the word "suggests" didn't make it in the subject line |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 09:35 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. If you read the whole article, you'll see that the subject line fits well |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
20. What happened to all the cries for "DUE PROCESS" |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:03 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. You might want to sit down for this, bloom. |
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Karmakaze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 11:41 PM Response to Reply #20 |
150. You don't seem to understand DUE PROCESS |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
21. Receipts and phone records prove nothing |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 09:59 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. He would have to have been raping her WHILE calling his girlfriend. |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:05 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. because, you know, obviously those clocks are all syncronized |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:10 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Uh, yes they are.............. |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:22 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. I'm telling you, its a difference between three or four separate clocks |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:42 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. She says they spent a half hour raping her. How's a minute going to help? |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:47 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. He rapes her, gets what he wants, then leaves |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 12:10 PM Response to Reply #22 |
72. That isn't proof. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 12:16 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. She says the attack lasted for a half hour, not 9 minutes. |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:36 PM Response to Reply #75 |
119. And have you ever been raped? Do you think that her estimate |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 12:43 AM Response to Reply #119 |
153. Actually, I made a mistake. It's only 7 minutes. Only seven minutes |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 11:35 AM Response to Reply #119 |
239. The only problem with that type of thought |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 10:44 AM Response to Reply #75 |
135. Read some depositions some time |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 12:46 AM Response to Reply #135 |
154. She says she was raped by three men. Do you really think there |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 12:58 PM Response to Reply #72 |
83. Sure. And little green aliens coulda raped her too. |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:35 PM Response to Reply #83 |
118. No. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 01:11 AM Response to Reply #118 |
122. Deleted message |
pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:47 AM Response to Reply #21 |
36. The accuser claims that the attack last for a half hour, not a few minutes |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 08:27 AM Response to Reply #21 |
236. And I don't find it hard to accept that she lied, made the whole thing |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
26. Boy, There Are Some Disturbing Sentiments Here |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:19 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. I grew up watching the Jeanine Nicarico case.... |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:50 AM Response to Reply #26 |
38. Funny, Because I'd Say the Opposite |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:01 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Aren't They Supposed To? |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:07 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Why? This isn't a Court or the Jury of that Court |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:28 AM Response to Reply #43 |
54. I See. |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:56 AM Response to Reply #54 |
66. Actually Professor I Am Open to Either OPINION |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 01:20 PM Response to Reply #66 |
86. Dupe |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 01:31 PM Response to Reply #66 |
87. As Soon As You Put The Principle Only In The Context. . . |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:30 AM Response to Reply #43 |
55. The prosecution made this a media event. Why shouldn't the defense |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 12:00 PM Response to Reply #55 |
69. So You are the Defense |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 12:26 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. I started out thinking the defendants were probably guilty. |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 11:12 AM Response to Reply #41 |
137. No they/we are not supposed to |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 12:50 AM Response to Reply #137 |
155. No one is saying that a rapist should be believed and not her. |
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Karmakaze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 01:46 PM Response to Reply #38 |
170. Isnt that what is supposed to happen? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:55 AM Response to Reply #26 |
40. The same thought disturbs me, Professor. What kind of justice system |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:14 AM Response to Reply #40 |
48. This Isn't The Justice System..This is a Discussion Forum |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:25 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. No, I have absolutely no connection with the defendants or their |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 01:15 PM Response to Reply #51 |
85. I do think that a defendant |
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DelawareValleyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 03:51 PM Response to Reply #85 |
94. What's 'speedy' |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 04:30 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. The common view outside of NC is that 6 months is the limit for |
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DelawareValleyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 07:23 AM Response to Reply #96 |
126. Bear in mind |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 08:47 PM Response to Reply #94 |
116. To me "speedy" should be |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 02:13 PM Response to Reply #26 |
90. In rape cases |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 02:43 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Ridiculous |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 03:25 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. I do not believe |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-09-06 09:41 PM Response to Reply #93 |
193. What do you suggest, then? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 04:32 PM Response to Reply #90 |
97. Are you saying that they shouldn't even try for a just outcome |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 05:25 PM Response to Reply #97 |
106. oh for heavens sake |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 06:02 PM Response to Reply #106 |
113. I know what you mean. I had to watch a case go on involving a relative |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 06:32 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. OK so |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 08:18 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. I've been reacting to what I've been seeing on these boards -- |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:00 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. I think anyone might reasonably |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:41 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. Did you think it was fair that the line-up from which she made her |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 11:07 AM Response to Reply #120 |
136. In this case |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 12:09 AM Response to Reply #136 |
151. The line-up consisted of the players in their team photos wearing their |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 08:46 AM Response to Reply #151 |
156. OK well...statistically speaking... |
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Karmakaze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 02:04 PM Response to Reply #156 |
173. What the hell? You have no idea what you are talking about |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 05:30 PM Response to Reply #173 |
178. OK |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 06:24 PM Response to Reply #178 |
179. It makes sense that the rest of the team were suspects, at least |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 07:08 PM Response to Reply #179 |
180. Bottom line |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 08:02 PM Response to Reply #180 |
182. In yet another blow to the prosecution's case |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-09-06 07:19 AM Response to Reply #182 |
189. My interest |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-09-06 11:19 PM Response to Reply #189 |
196. Sorry I couldn't read your mind. |
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Karmakaze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 10:47 AM Response to Reply #180 |
208. That evidenc eis already produced... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 09:46 AM Response to Reply #151 |
157. I said, "Of course it's not fair to attack the accuser. . . " What part of |
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Moosepoop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 12:32 PM Response to Reply #151 |
165. You haven't seen this? |
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Karmakaze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 02:06 PM Response to Reply #165 |
174. present a link then... |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
33. Discovery Rules in NC require DA to disclose exculpatory evid before trial |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:13 AM Response to Reply #33 |
47. Thank you Blackhatjack. And welcome to DU! |
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fishnfla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
44. So whats the ace up Nifong's sleeve? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:11 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. That's what I was thinking. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:16 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Why must it be something? Maybe the prosecutor saw this case |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:40 AM Response to Reply #49 |
58. Hmm, you're right. It could be a big conspiracy. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 12:01 PM Response to Reply #58 |
70. I didn't say it was a conspiracy of any sort. But the prosecutor may have |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
56. WHY are you constantly pushing this meme??? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:37 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. I'm a person who believes in our justice system, and a Democrat |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:50 AM Response to Reply #57 |
64. Yes, but why are you wishing to free the defendants now |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 12:14 PM Response to Reply #64 |
73. "Whether they're guilty or innocent, hopefully they've learned a lesson |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 12:23 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. You're taking statements out of context friend |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 09:09 PM Response to Reply #64 |
231. "an inconvenience for the defendants" ??? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 03:00 PM Response to Reply #56 |
219. If you can't attack the message, attack the messenger? |
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Last Stand (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
61. A 7-minute gang rape? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 11:49 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Welcome to DU, Last Stand. |
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Jade Fox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
74. I find your obsession with this case downright creepy... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 12:29 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. So rather than actually read and comment on the articles, you'll |
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Jade Fox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 12:44 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. No, I won't encourage you by commenting on your posted material..... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 12:46 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. If you don't have anything to contribute, why not go somewhere else? |
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Jade Fox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 01:01 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. And let you continue taking up space on this board..... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 04:13 PM Response to Reply #84 |
95. You're just contributing to the amount of space this thread takes |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 09:08 AM Response to Reply #84 |
206. Taking up space on this board? |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
79. Trying the case in the media, CHapter 7,468,908 |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 12:31 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. The prosecutor gave more than 70 interviews to the media in the |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 08:35 AM Response to Reply #79 |
238. Well, can you imagine what some DAs and police do when |
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madmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
88. If these guys were Black, Latino or poor White, BYE-BYE for years. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 01:53 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. and what exactly is your point? |
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madmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 06:00 PM Response to Reply #89 |
110. It was criticism of the system. n/t |
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madmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 06:00 PM Response to Reply #89 |
111. Dupe |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 03:21 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. It's not that clear anymore |
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madmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 06:02 PM Response to Reply #92 |
112. You're right, "poor" is correct. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 08:48 AM Response to Reply #88 |
128. Or rather...if SHE was white...nt |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 08:53 AM Response to Reply #88 |
204. Lucky for them, they are not poor. |
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stanwyck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
98. Could you just let our legal system take care of this? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 05:08 PM Response to Reply #98 |
103. It's your choice. There are actual legal issues to be debated here |
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stanwyck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 05:25 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. I guess I missed all your threads about |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 05:56 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. Fine. Why don't you start those threads? |
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Karmakaze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 11:44 AM Response to Reply #109 |
212. Dont fall for that bullshit... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-06-06 05:11 PM Response to Reply #98 |
104. The legal system has chosen to let the three defendants sit under the |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
121. Big deal |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 03:19 AM Response to Reply #121 |
123. How do you know the attorney who wrote the column hasn't |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 07:33 AM Response to Reply #123 |
127. Never happen - the defense isn't stupid |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 08:59 AM Response to Reply #127 |
130. You make a pretty big leap when you say the defense is worried about |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 09:56 AM Response to Reply #130 |
133. I agree. Even if she was raped by someone at that party, chances |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 12:31 PM Response to Reply #133 |
138. This is about physical evidence |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 05:10 PM Response to Reply #138 |
146. actually, its about keeping options open |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 02:51 PM Response to Reply #130 |
140. Not a leap at all |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 03:49 PM Response to Reply #140 |
142. Let's assume worst case scenario. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 09:47 AM Response to Reply #127 |
131. Assuming that the defense isn't lying, and the toxicology |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 02:03 PM Response to Reply #131 |
139. No |
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Karmakaze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 02:43 PM Response to Reply #139 |
175. You are contradicting yourself |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 07:22 PM Response to Reply #139 |
181. How many more smoking guns for the defense will there be? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 08:08 PM Response to Reply #181 |
183. And the nurse who performed the rape exam was still in training -- not |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 08:48 AM Response to Reply #181 |
202. There has already been more than enough information |
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Karmakaze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 11:31 AM Response to Reply #202 |
211. Guess what? Nifong says there is NO toxicology test! |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 11:55 AM Response to Reply #211 |
213. If he really has handed over all the evidence... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 08:22 AM Response to Reply #211 |
235. Not only that, she admitted to drinking alcohol, and taking |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
129. How is this news? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 09:49 AM Response to Reply #129 |
132. They were long articles, snipping was required. I assume anyone who |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
184. Yaay, another alleged rape victim bashing thread! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 09:34 PM Response to Reply #184 |
185. Who's bashing a rape victim? |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-08-06 11:19 PM Response to Reply #185 |
186. The alleged rape victim is a victim of prosecutorial misprision |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-09-06 12:12 AM Response to Reply #186 |
187. I guess I wasn't prepared for the degree of class anger that I've |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 08:44 AM Response to Reply #186 |
201. Oh please. This woman is "victim" of her own making. |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 09:44 AM Response to Reply #201 |
207. I think she did expect the prosecutor to go with the case. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 12:34 PM Response to Reply #207 |
214. I don't know if she expected prosecutor to go forward with the case. |
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Jade Fox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 04:35 PM Response to Reply #201 |
225. How do you know any ot this? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 04:51 PM Response to Reply #225 |
226. Hey, that's not a bad idea. |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 07:43 PM Response to Reply #226 |
230. You get my vote too Lizzy. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 08:30 AM Response to Reply #230 |
237. None are more blind that those who refuse to see. |
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