Wilson's statement on Rove News

[lala_rawraw]

Statement of Christopher Wolf, Proskauer Rose LLP, Counsel for Ambassador Joseph Wilson and Valerie Plame Wilson
We have become aware of the communication between Mr. Fitzgerald and Mr. Luskin concerning Karl. Rove's status in the criminal investigation. We have no first-hand knowledge of the reason for the communication or what further developments in the criminal investigation it may signal. While it appears that Mr. Rove will not be called to answer in criminal court for his participation in the wrongful disclosure of Valerie Wilson's classified employment status at the CIA in retaliation against Joe Wilson for questioning the rationale for war in Iraq, that obviously does not end the matter. The day still may come when Mr. Rove and others are called to account in a court of law for their attacks on the Wilsons.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Statement_from_Joseph_Wilson_husband_of_0613.html

[stop the bleeding]

1. Kicked and nominated

very interesting statement from the Wilson's

The day still may come when Mr. Rove and others are called to account in a court of law for their attacks on the Wilsons.

[otokogi]

2. Civil Suit

good

[stop the bleeding]

4. Welcome to DU otokogi

this is a hot topic :)

[H2O Man]

3. Thank you.

I think that the Wilsons are aware of their options as far as a civil case against Mr. Rove.

Nominated!

[stepnw1f]

9. H2O...

What do you make of the announcement this morning regarding Rove. With all that I have read, it truly is hard to believe he is off the hook in this case.

[H2O Man]

16. I think it's curious

how happy some DUers appear to be as a result of this announcement. I would prefer, of course, that Mr. Rove was indicted. I was under the impression that Mr. Fitzgerald was moving towards an indictment in mid-May. That did not happen, for reasons that we could only speculate upon. Rather than do that at this time, I'll just say that I have faith in the ability and judgement of Mr. Fitzgerald. I think that the most recent court documents indicate that he is aware that the people who are most responsible for the operation to damage Joseph and Valerie Wilson were located in the Office of the Vice President.

[Me.]

28. Is Curious

Wonder why.

*shadow government*

[TacticalPeek]

35. Also curious that Luskin refuses to release the notification letter.

Or even confirm that there is a notification letter.

I called Luskin at his office and told him I was interested to know precisely how Fitzgerald had notified him of his decision. "I'm really not going to add anything to what's in the statement," Luskin told me.

Why not? I asked. "The reason is, that's what we've decided to do." (There's a $500-an-hour answer for you.)

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000890.php

It is possible that Rove has a 'special' hall pass that could be revoked, depending.

:evilgrin:

[MADem]

49. That's a fascinating thesis you've postulated, there

And I must say, it fits, and I like it.

Hope your sense is correct!!!

[Mandate My Ass]

50. H2O Man, I have a question

IIRC, for the leak charge to stick in criminal court, isn't there a provision that the leaker was operating out of malice?

I think Rove got played by OVP. Maybe, just maybe, he gave up a bigger fish. The planners would be the ones acting out of malice while Rove was just the mouthpiece.

In civil court that wouldn't matter, would it? Simply that his actions caused irreparable harm to Valerie Plame and her career.

Thanks. :-)

[H2O Man]

54. The rules for

civil court are indeed different than criminal court. Perhaps the best example that people are familiar with involved OJ Simpson. It will be interesting to see if the Wilsons file suit. Whatever they decide is fine with me .... but it surely would be nice to have more information on Karl's participation in the scandal become part of the public record.

The old-timers on DU know that from the beginning, a core group of us have recognized that the Plame scandal came from the Office of the Vice President. It is part of the war program. Rove played a role, but this is a neoconservative operation. I know that democrats would like Rove indicted -- I sure as heck wanted him indicted, too. But the two most important people remain Libby and Cheney.

[Mandate My Ass]

57. Thanks!

My theory is that if Rove will truly not be indicted on anything, lying to feds, lying to grand jury, obstruction, it would most likely be because he gave up a bigger fish, none other than Darth Cheney. I hope - I hope - I hope - Ihope. :toast:

However, Luskin's little announcement smell a bit fishy to me. Time will tell.

And if it indeed is true, the discovery process in the case of Plame-Wilson v. Rover will be quite yummy in itself. :popcorn: :toast:

[Divine Discontent]

59. Faith in the ability and judgement of Mr. Fitzgerald.....

you go right ahead. He still may get something on shrub & dead-eye, doesn't look good though.

But, between the truthout disaster (they were played like fools), the absolute stealing of the presidential elections of 2000, and 2004 with no one stopping them, and the incredibly evil invasion into Iraq that has cost this country not only it's pride, but half a trillion and thousands of lives, and shrub being allowed to stay on vacation while people were dying in NOLA - I don't have any faith left in the bushco collective being held accountable when they've gotten away for this long already... I was not a happy DU when I saw the news today - can't imagine why anyone would be happy.

I don't have faith and judgement in hardly anyone in this country anymore... my faith is reserved in only one thing.

I still believe Feingold, Conyers, Gore, Edwards, and Clark are extremely honorable men, and I pray that one of them will run for President and have such a huge lead in the polls that it can't be stolen without a revolution being the result of the theft... O8)


www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable

[still_one]

5. perhaps he will go the same way as lee atwater

[bdamomma]

10. I second that

[Coexist]

29. Karma will have it no other way.

I am certain of that.

[stepnw1f]

6. In a Just World...

Well... we'll see what happens. In the mean time, I'll do what I can to make a difference.

[johnfunk]

7. Translation: He's Wilson's target -- for a lawsuit -- soon!

This is gonna be good!

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[im10ashus]

8. Excellent!

Thanks for posting. Kicking and Nominating!

:kick:

[Mr_Spock]

11. "that obviously does not end the matter"

That's a relatively strong statement that further action will likely happen...

[emulatorloo]

13. Sounds like Wilsons will sue Rove in Civil Court - GOOD FOR THEM! EOM

[myrna minx]

12. Thanks lala.

I'm anxiously awaiting the Wilson/Plame civil suit. :bounce:

[Stand and Fight]

Sounds like there is a civil suit in preparation to me.

Kicked and recommended.

Thanks lala!

[Canuckistanian]

14. Good! Clears the way for a civil suit.

And now, the press can start asking questions about Rove. No more "ongoing criminal investigations".

[johnfunk]

26. ... and the discovery process, as we know, is a beautiful thing..

Like I said, :popcorn:!

[nxylas]

79. "And now, the press can start asking questions about Rove"

And monkeys might fly out my butt. That would be "unpatriotic".

[lonestarnot]

15. That's the only consoling factor here, and that is that maybe someday

Joe Wilson and Valerie will OWN RED ROVER! OMG! The sounds of that makes me feel better already.

[Binka]

21. I Think Valerie Will Be Upset That Joe Is Seeing Pamela

:evilgrin:

[lonestarnot]

22. ooops better fix, it's early. Thanks Binka!

[Me.]

17. Thanks Lala

And thanks Joe. The fight for justice doesn't end today, the felons in the WH are no less guilty today than they were yesterday.

*shadow government*

[lala_rawraw]

18. sure, i know you guys were upset

and i thought this might help a bit:)

[Coexist]

32. you're a peach, lala!

BTW - I was driving my son to Chuck E. Cheese's the other day and heard your interview with The Young Turks.

You did a great job educating and interacting with them.

Kudos.

[lala_rawraw]

38. oh thanks... i do a thing with them every thursday... they are fun

people to hang with:) i would say them and Malloy are the only people worth hanging with from all the shows... they express both my anger and my "you just can't make this shite up" attitude better than I can:)

[Catherine Vincent]

19. Good!

Sue that slippery slimey mofo!

[arwalden]

20. Is This Info Available Someplace Else?

These days I'm not too trusting of blogs and non "MSM" :eyes: sources.

[lala_rawraw]

24. kidding right?

[arwalden]

27. No. I'm Serious.

News repackagers and rumor-mill sources and blogs with a left slant are proving to be less reliable than "MSM" :eyes: (or, more accurately, "corporate media") when it comes to accuracy.

Frankly, Rawstory isn't really a site that I go to for cutting-edge breaking-news journalism. That's where you go for "news" that CNN is reporting something, hype, rumors, banners and pop-up ads.

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[Zhade]

64. Well, that, plus publishing hate speech against atheists.

(Yeah, I'm not forgetting that anytime soon, regardless of how many lame and totally unconvincing attempts to explain the hate away are made.)

[arwalden]

65. I Wasn't Going To Go There...

... but it's worth remembering. It's a valid criticism that is also a very LARGE piece of the mosaic that influences people's opinions regarding Rawstory.

[Catherine Vincent]

47. You want someplace else?

You're on the internets. Try google.

[arwalden]

56. Why Would I Do That? -- I Can Type "www.cnn.com" Faster Than Googling...

... for a news source that's more reliable than Rawstory. (And fewer pop-up ads too.)

[Catherine Vincent]

23. What I want to know is why so many Leopold/Truthout threads?

I'm confused. There's more discussion on JL and TO than there is of Karl Rove. :crazy:

[lala_rawraw]

25. because most of those people are Rove=bots or

ego asshats

[SidDithers]

39. ego asshats...LOL...

Oh, the delicious irony.

Sid

[OzarkDem]

30. Very strange, indeed

[lala_rawraw]

37. scroll above and you will see

that these guys will use one story to smear all news outlets with... Segretti anyone?

[progmom]

55. all that arwalden was saying is that the Rove/Leopold story left us all...

...feeling a little burned and a little wary. I think a lot of us will be looking for multiple-source confirmations.

[arwalden]

60. Actually... If You Want To Be Accurate...

... I've never been impressed with Rawstory. That site and its contents have always struck me as being little more than a Drudge imitator, and still not doing THAT very well either.

My observations were made long ago and my opinions were solidified LONG before the TO/Leopold debacle. The two things are not related. Whenever someone tries to link my pre-existing opinions of Rawstory as being the result of the events surrounding the Leopold story... it only serves to convince me that they know they are arguing from a position of weakness.

The fact that the "writers" (bloggers? columnists? journalists?) at Rawstory have such a low tolerance to criticism speaks for itself. The fact that some of them choose to engage in personal attacks when their work is criticized does not speak to well of the writer. When you think about it, such tactics are not the route that a professional would take (well... not any writer who wanted to be taken seriously, anyway.)

[benburch]

61. Personal Attacks?

[arwalden]

62. Yes, It Would Appear To Be The Case...

... that if one person dares to criticize and the other person responds by calling them a "paid shill" (as someone called me)... well, that's a personal attack.

I'm still waiting for an explanation on how "questioning" is equal to "calling someone a liar". It ought to be very interesting.

[arwalden]

68. It Would Also Appear That People Should Not...

... falsely accuse others of calling someone a "liar".

[lovuian]

31. I think Rove will be getting his butt sued!!!

Wilson's are not over and will be doing this for years!!!

[Rose Siding]

33. Frog march him to the bank, Valerie.

Proof of damages could unleash all sort of secrets.

[Unkle Karl]

34. Move Along

Guys/gals/those unsure, I suggest we all move off of this one. There's no story here. Whether or not Rove is guilty of anything is now a piece of history. Civil suit? I highly doubt it. A case of this nature will come down to who has a better and bigger army of lawyers. My gut tells me there will be no suit against him. Would the Plame/Wilson family put their whole estate on the line for the chance that Rove's lawyers will settle? Doubtful...very doubtful.

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[robbedvoter]

41. Can't fail to notice that it's YOU saying "Uncle" rather than us Karl dear

Irony is not dead - and I am still having hopes for karma.

[Catherine Vincent]

44. Oh you're so funny!

But welcome to DU anyway! :hi:

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[Mandate My Ass]

52. Your "gut" tells you that huh?

The Wilson's wouldn't have to put up their estate to sue Karl, his estate would be the one endangered. Plus he's got to be hurting with the legal fees he's paying out the nose for now.

But I say that as a liberal, and facts do tend to have a liberal bias. :hi:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

76. Actually legally they only have a couple months left to file a "notice of

intent" to sue dependent upon the state in which they file suit. The clock is ticking on the statute of limitations. That said, I hope they are ready and do sue. She certainly can prove damages. He doesn't have a case but she certainly does.

[rman]

58. perhaps the best satire ever

[UrbScotty]

42. "The day still may come when Mr. Rove and others are called to account"

May that day come.

[ananda]

43. May that day come.

May that day come.
May that day come.
May that day come.


Sue

[spuddonna]

45. Thanks for that...

I have to say I am very sad for the Wilsons today. They know that Rove was directly involved in this, and it must be very difficult to see this happenening. I can't imagine how frustrated they must be...

I am also surprised at the level of vitriol against TO and Leopold. As far as I can see, Ash is still standing behind the story, or at least what he was told and how he vetted it, so I'll wait to hear from all sides before I move to condemn. Ash apparently has 'cards'... I hope they are good ones.

I also am surprised that people aren't willing to assume that JL made a mistake, and that his sources got the story wrong, too. I keep thinking of "All The President's Men" and the scene where Woodward and Bernstein are listening to Ben Bradlee tell his story about Hoover - "I screwed up but I wasn't wrong." I've heard all about JL's past. Apparently, only saints need apply to work for the press now. :eyes: Am I saying JL didn't pull the story out of his ass? No. I have no idea what went down that weekend of May. But I will reserve judgement until I hear all sides of that story.

As far as I can tell, we have comments from a lawyer, without confirmation from Fitzgerald, to go by for this mornings insanity. I'd prefer to see the letter to Luskin that was talked about in the NYTs.

I want justice done. I want the truth served. I want to see the bastards that committed these crimes in jail. Isn't that what we all want?

[robertpaulsen]

48. Thank you for bringing some hope today.

I also think it's important to note that Fitz did not end the grand jury investigation by electing to not prosecute Rove. Verifying what we all knew, that the Plame investigation is a whole lot bigger than little Donald Segretti's protege.

But it would still be great to see Pigboy pay through the ass. Go Joe Wilson!

[leftofthedial]

51. The Wilsons should apologize to Karl Rove

and to king george and unka dick for starting this whole thing

here in topsy-turvy Murka, a smart fellow like Joe should know that one does not assail the royalty or their courtesans.

Indeed, Joe and Valerie should apologize to all Murkans. Their persecution of our glorious king (who, after all, was appointed personally by Jesus Christ) is an insult to all of us.


























:sarcasm: (it never fails to amaze me how many DUers need this smilie)

[Catamount]

63. One more K&R

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[OzarkDem]

67. kick

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[Catherine Vincent]

70. Still not locked.

:-)

[Moderator]

71. edit

[Catherine Vincent]

72. Having problems? How much is Skinner paying you?

I kid. :hi:

[midnight]

73. Why isn't Rove being held accountable now?

I just don't understand.

[livvy]

74. Thank you for posting the statement.

Rove will get his due in good time. If not on this issue, it will be another. The guy is a professional criminal. He didn't get where he is by being stupid.
Think about Capone. For all the crimes he committed, he was convicted for tax evasion. Like everyone else, I'd like to see Rove screwed royally for all the things he has done, and I believe some day he will be convicted for something. It just might not be one of the worst things he's ever done.

edited because I have a habit of thinking faster than I type.

[Laurab]

75. Thanks lala!

I would so love to see a civil suit!

K & R

[The Straight Story]

77. Wilson BELIEVES it?

Damn, tell him there are some folks here who can set his ass straight on that....

It was 24 business weeks I think, still plenty of time...

[DemonFighterLives]

78. I think Joe and Val feel left out of the loop

I wouldn't put it past Luskin to be bending the truth. Shouldn't something like this be distributed to all sides and not just doofus's lawyer?