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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 10:34 AM
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As for Leopold et al
they're learning a hard lesson. Journalism is all about credibility--you have to be right a hell of a lot more than you're wrong, and you ALWAYS have to be right on the big stories if you want to be taken seriously. If you're gullible enough to get burned by bogus "sources," you probably ought to look for another line of work. What's true for Judith Miller is true for Jason Leopold is true for any serious journalist, imo. For me, though, there's also the issue of consequence: when the NYT screws the pooch on the Iraq WMD story, and said pooch-screwing is then used by Cheney to bolster the case for a war that turns out to be a disaster, that's a whole different order of seriousness than the Leopold silliness. To date, nobody upstairs at the Times has offered more than a watery mea culpa for the role they played in failing to properly vet the aluminum tubes story, among others--no heads have rolled at the editorial/publishing level, and at this point it seems unlikely that they ever will. Long story short, I think it's entirely reasonable to be critical of truthout and Leopold, but while doing so we should try to keep our sense of proportion.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 10:38 AM
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1. I think their is much more to this story.


    Sealed vs. Sealed
    By Jason Leopold
    t r u t h o u t | Report

    Monday 12 June 2006

    Four weeks ago, during the time when we reported that White House political adviser Karl Rove was indicted for crimes related to his role in the leak of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame Wilson, the grand jury empanelled in the case returned an indictment that was filed under seal in US District Court for the District of Columbia under the curious heading of Sealed vs. Sealed.

    As of Friday afternoon that indictment, returned by the grand jury the week of May 10th, remains under seal - more than a month after it was handed up by the grand jury.

    The case number is "06 cr 128." On the federal court's electronic database, "06 cr 128" is listed along with a succinct summary: "No further information is available."

    We have not seen the contents of the indictment "06 cr 128". But the fact that this indictment was returned by the grand jury hearing evidence in the CIA leak case on a day that Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald met with the grand jury raised a number of questions about the identity of the defendant named in the indictment, whether it relates to the leak case, and why it has been under seal for a month under the heading Sealed vs. Sealed.

    True, the grand jury in the CIA leak case also meets to hear evidence on other federal criminal cases, including at least one other high-profile case - crimes related to the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal.

    The lead prosecutor on the Abramoff case is Peter Zeidenberg, who has worked alongside Patrick Fitzgerald in the CIA leak investigation for more than two years and has spent a considerable amount of time investigating Karl Rove's role in the leak. Zeidenberg is currently prosecuting David Safavian, who is on trial in US District Court, charged with obstruction and lying about his contacts with Abramoff.

    Still, legal experts watching the Plame-Wilson investigation have been paying particularly close attention to Sealed vs. Sealed since the Karl Rove indictment story was published.

    The legal scholars have said that a federal prosecutor can keep an indictment under seal for weeks or months - something that is commonplace in high-profile criminal cases - especially if an investigation, such as the CIA leak probe, is ongoing.

    When told about the Sealed vs. Sealed indictment filed in US District Court, the legal experts became intrigued about the case because they say that most federal criminal indictments are filed under US vs. Sealed and that they rarely come across federal criminal indictments titled Sealed vs. Sealed, which to them suggests the prosecutor felt it necessary to add an extra layer of secrecy to an indictment to keep it out of public view.

    "The question here is that nobody who I have spoken to - top criminal attorneys, law professors, etc. - is aware of the left part of the case title having been sealed," said one former federal criminal attorney. "That the right-hand side is sealed is almost pro-forma. But, what is not known is whether the US Attorney can seal the left hand part of the case title on his own."

    The fact that the indictment has been under seal for more than a month also suggests that it involves a high-profile investigation, he said.

    Additionally, it's entirely plausible for a federal prosecutor to obtain permission from a federal magistrate or a judge, have an indictment unsealed for the limited purpose of having parts of it read to a defendant and his or her attorneys in an attempt to have the defendant cooperate with an investigation to avoid facing further charges, legal experts said.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 10:40 AM
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2. I saw that when it was originally posted.
And I agree with those who responded sceptically. Apparently Fitz is not the only prosecutor with access to this GJ, so Sealed vs. Sealed could be anything--or nothing much at all. Regardless, the truthout story is sheer speculation.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 10:49 AM
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3. I might be the last person still on the bus but I think that ....
... something was there and A.G. Alberto Gonzalos quashed it or Rove sang.

This smells of bush going AWOL .... get people talking about Dan Rather.

Others also verified some of the facts that was in Leo.'s piece and that the
A.G. was involved.

Sadly i am afraid evil has won this round.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 10:56 AM
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4. Gonzales has no power to quash anything, as I understand it.
Edited on Tue Jun-13-06 10:56 AM by smoogatz
More likely Rove cut a deal, or was able to successfully play the "I misspoke/I forgot" game, or both. If Fitz didn't indict, it's because he didn't have the goods. His work on the Illinois governor case clearly demonstrates that he's totally relentless in taking apart a conspiracy case--but he's also up against a different sort of adversary here, obviously.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 01:25 PM
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5. as I understand it the 3 theories are:
1. Rove cut a deal and sung like a bird and fitz dropped the sealed charges
after Rove spilled the beans.

2. Gonzales had the indictments sealed

3. Gonzales argued before the court that Fitz was working under his command and
that he (Gonzales) was ordering Fitz to stand down on Rove.

Something happened ..... but what?
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