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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 01:34 PM
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So, one of my neighbors called the cops to complain about my signs
Edited on Tue Jun-13-06 01:54 PM by IanDB1
After being flooded out of my house this winter, we still have a temporary storage trailer on our front lawn.

A couple weeks ago, (the day the senate voted on the anti-gay marriage bill) I started to put signs on it.

Anyway, apparently one of the neighbors complained, and called the cops.

A very polite policeman came by, and he told me what I already knew: as long as I was the one who put them there myself, there was nothing anyone they do about it. I apologized for wasting his time, and he said, "It's not you. It's whoever called."







"W" Is the New Swastika.
Republicans are just Nazis too lazy too march.


I'm gonna need bigger signs!








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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 01:35 PM
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1. I wonder if you could sue the person who complained. n/t
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. No, they operated within their rights.
After all... how could they POSSIBLY have guessed I'd put those up myself?

For all they know, I'm a Republican...


(Not my real license plate, but those are my actual bumper stickers.)


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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 08:54 PM
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70. What's that fish bumper sticker say? Are those little fishies
being fruitful and multiplying? :evilgrin:
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4_TN_TITANS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 08:15 AM
Response to Reply #5
92. Bwahahahaha......
and I thought I had a bunch of bumper stickers!

Awesome! :thumbsup:
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tinfoil tiaras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #5
95. I freaking love your car
It is my favorite. When I get my mom's Honda Civic (about a year from now) I'm gonna plaster it with bumperstickers and hope for some "love notes" =P lol.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #5
97. Damn, for a minute I thought that was your real license plate
I was going to ask how you pulled that one off.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 01:38 PM
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For what?
:shrug:
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 01:56 PM
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15. Harrassment.
I can't just call the police on someone because I don't like them.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 02:12 PM
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19. It doesn't harass me. It harasses the police.
Eventually, the cops will get tired of it and deal with them themselves.

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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #1
9. Or at least they should have to pay for the policeman's time
Grr. :grr:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 01:37 PM
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2. eewww yes. I will post photos later.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 01:37 PM
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3. I like your signs. No doubt they add more to the neighborhood
than your hypocritical bigoted neighbors.

I have a "Compared to Bush, Nixon wasn't so bad." decal on the back of my car, and people really love it. I get lots of thumbs up, people smiling and waving, etc. It's patriotic to display signs.

You might need to put some more up... ;)
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BlueStorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 01:37 PM
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4. It's just someone who wants to complain...
Nothing more.

But I do wonder if he had signs up if you could complain?

Blue
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Cybergata Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 10:09 PM
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77. Some want people to...
be arrested for Sedition if they don't buy into the" Bush Repub's" agenda. Just be glad they didn't call the FBI or worse Homeland Security.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 01:38 PM
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6. Maybe he's jealous and wants some signs of his own
Be a good neighbor and offer to make him some.
Like "Mind your own business" or "Can't think for yourself? Be a Republican"
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 01:39 PM
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7. The neighbor called the police?!
Man that is just...stupid. You are breaking no laws and the individual wants the signs removed by the police? What a waste of taxpayer time and money. Police have enough to do without coming out to someone's house and finding out no laws have been broken. And yet, I bet the neighbor bitches about taxes being too high all the time.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #7
51. the neighbour is a sore loser, it's that simple
not fully "lost" yet, be it's coming
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 01:39 PM
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8. A new sign is in order
"RE: These signs -> ... My neighbor, who apparently approves of Nazi tactics, called the cops in an attempt to squelch my right to free speech."
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 01:49 PM
Response to Reply #8
11. Bad idea, he COULD sue for that
He wouldn't win, but it would be a pain in the ass.

Better idea: Mind Your Own Business! It's not just for DEMOCRATS!
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #11
21. I like that one!
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 01:43 PM
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10. Make sure your area doesn't have a sign size ordinance
someone else here had to take down theirs because their asshole neighbor complainer found a size ordinance their sign violated.

Or something. Just go take a look and make sure.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. Sign ordinances work both ways
Got a lot of moron righties in my area who like big signs :(
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #12
22. So measure them and if they're too large for the ordinance
down they go. :)
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #22
24. I think we allow no political signs outside of political season
At least that's what I've been told...

:D
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 11:29 PM
Response to Reply #24
80. Same here but it is being challenged
Free speech you know.
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 01:54 PM
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13. What a moran!
Why do these people feel that free speech is only guaranteed to those that agree with them? It's the same thing when someone leaves a nice little "love note" on your car in a parking lot because they didn't like your Kerry/Edwards sticker, or something like that. People like that don't have the courage to engage you in any kind of meaningful dialog about your opposing views, so they feel it is appropriate to act in a passive-aggressive way against you. Honestly, I'm surprised that this neighbor just hasn't taken the signs away and destroyed them under the cover of night.

What cowards!

I love your signs, by the way. Keep up the nice work! :)
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 01:55 PM
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14. I've gotten those "love notes" on my car...
Edited on Tue Jun-13-06 02:00 PM by IanDB1

"Anti-American piece of shit! Take your liberal ass to Canada and take Mexican with you! You are a cancer on this country!"



"I proudly voted for George W. Bush! God bless America! Man + Woman = Maraige (sic)! Support our troops, & our president! Your president is George W. Bush! F*ck your liberal ass!"
(As always, conservatives are obesessed with anal sex).
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jumpoffdaplanet Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. Can you set up a camera to catch the nazi in the act
because that's something you can take to the police for action.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 02:03 PM
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18. They haven't actually DONE anything wrong yet
Edited on Tue Jun-13-06 02:04 PM by IanDB1
All they did was call the cops and say, "Some terrorist-loving liberal has signs on his property that call Republicans bad names."

Well, you know what?

It's the Repukes that have set the tone of the debate.

I intend to reply in kind.

Republicans are just Nazis who are too lazy to march.



Republicans don't need to put signs on their yards to call US names. They have a whole Fox "News" channel that does it for them.

Oh, and the "Love notes" are old news. That was a long time ago.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #14
20. Please keep these as evidence
Just in case something happens to your signs.
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tinfoil tiaras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #14
79. Don't forget the obsession with ball sweat [barf]
Edited on Tue Jun-13-06 11:26 PM by tinfoil tiaras
(look in the old hate mail at the section on "I wouldn't give you the sweat off my balls")

What could have prevoked those morans to do that. Hell, I live in Mississippi (the heart of whatever shit always goes on there) and my mom has an "Enough is Enough, vote democratic" bumpersticker on her car and we have never gotten harrassed. Exept for the one time someone put a Bush/Cheney sticker over the Kerry/Edwards one on the old prius...im taking a trip down memory lane, aren't i?
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #13
26. Meaningful dialog?
You mean like calling your neighbors "Nazis"? *That* kind of meaningful dialog?
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. No.
I'm sure I don't have to tell you that the Nazis kept the German people paralyzed through intimidation and fear, and a lot of the tactics they used the Republicans (our leaders AND their supporters) are using now to encroach upon our First Amendment rights and to keep dissenters quiet. The comparisons that can be made are numerous, so I have absolutely no problem calling a spade a spade.

Bottom line is that if IanDB1's neighbor was so offended by his signs, he/she could have approached him and had, yes, a meaningful dialog about why the neighbor was so bothered. But that didn't happen. He/she used the police, probably in an attempt to intimidate him to remove the signs, because he/she was too cowardly to approach him directly.

Using the police to intimidate dissenters into silence was definitely a Nazi tactic, so maybe IanDB1 was right after all.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. I am, after all, right 11/12 of the time.
That's a carefully measured and verified figure.

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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #27
36. I'm not buying it.
Bottom line is that if IanDB1 wanted to have a meaningful dialog about the marriage amendment, he could have approached his neighbor and done so. But that didn't happen. Instead, he put up a sign calling half the country "Nazis".

My contention is that things like this are simply not productive. The neighbor that called the police over something like this is probably a douche, but what about everyone else on the block? What good does it do to call possibly half the neighborhood "Nazis"? (that isn't a rhetorical question, I really would like to know)
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #36
82. Some of us happen to think the RW has EARNED the right to be
called "nazis". They have worked VERY hard for that achievement and who are you to deny it to them?
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 06:30 PM
Response to Reply #26
63. i think it's meaningful, for a sign. Apt too.
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 02:00 PM
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17. I like all your signs but that first one say it all, and apparently.......
.....the neighbor knows it too!!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

"Republicans are just Nazis too lazy too march." :rofl: This one is so true:rofl:

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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #17
23. Yup. The neighbor couldn't march, just pick up a telephone
that's all the energy that could be mustered, to let someone else act.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #17
29. What can I put up next? What can POSSIBLY match Ann Coulter's tone?
How about:

"Republicans enjoy bombing children in Iraq, and drowning them in New Orleans."

Any ideas?



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ElboRuum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #29
34. Ooooh. I got one...
If you are reading this, there is a 95% chance that W doesn't give a fig about you.
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 03:26 PM
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25. I always wonder...
what do you think you're accomplishing by putting up signs that call half the country "Nazis?"
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #25
30. Well, there's one good thing
He pissed off a nazi.
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #30
32. So what?
What does it accomplish to piss off a "Nazi," aside from self-satisfaction?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #32
35. Schadenfreude.
You act like there's something wrong with self satisfaction.
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #35
39. When it makes actual dialog impossible,
yes, there is something wrong with it.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. Dialog? With a nazi?
You must be joking.
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #41
42. Dialog. With half the country.
Do you honestly believe that roughly *half* the population of the United States are "Nazis"? Because that's who we're talking about.

I'm not particularly interested in trying to convince Karl Rove to vote to liberal candidates, but I sure as hell am interested in having a dialog with the tens of millions of people that *can* be convinced to support liberal values. Calling those people "Nazis" does not help.


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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #42
44. You're confusing Bush supporters with half the country.
Which is at least a couple of years behind the times.

But dialog with a Bush supporter? Screw em.
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #44
49. Ok
You're not interested in actually changing minds or contributing to the political process. Got it.
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4_TN_TITANS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 08:25 AM
Response to Reply #49
93. Chill out man....
What has reaching across the aisle gotten us, other than being severely bitten, for the last six years???
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #42
45. I will not be cowed into submission and politeness in the face of..
the filth and venom and hate that those NAZIS spew.

I'm just calling them what they are-- they ARE Nazis.

They can no longer hide behind saying they want smaller government, fiscal responsibility, security, jobs, education... all the Republicans have left is torture, gay-bashing, immigrant-bashing, and fascism.

Anyone sporting a "W" on their car may as well be waving a Swastika.

Make no mistake about it-- Republicans are nazis.

And you don't deal with Nazis by offering therapy and understanding.

Let them look in the mirror and wonder, "Have I become a Nazi?"

Better that they do it now, than in the shadow of smokestacks.

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Spinoza Donating Member (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #45
98. Once again,
my parents had numbers tatooed on their wrists by REAL nazis. Your cheap, fascile, ridiculous comparisons are highly offensive and belittle the crimes committed by GENUINE nazis and the ACTUAL suffering of millions in the Holocaust. My father would have, after he stopped laughing at hearing the Republicans (whom he had no respect for whatsoever and never voted for) were equivalent to Nazis would have told you a few stories about ACTUAL Nazis, whom he knew and suffered under, that would curdle your blood. Sorry, but even the Repukes don't come close.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #98
100. well the Nazis started out small
they were petty jerks with huge chips on their shoulders...but they had a consistent message and they never backed down. They bullied their opponents until they finally won...and then they began to enact their most sadistic dreams.

Sadly there are a lot of small minded people in this country who very easily can be manipulated to do exactly what a lot of germans did.

I had family perish in the Nazi concentration camps as well as the Russian camps...and unfortunately I know history can repeat itself.

If the republicans remain in power and they continue to reach out to the fundamentalists they will morph into something far scarier than they are now and they may rival if not supercede the Nazis...

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:35 AM
Response to Reply #98
102. At some point, even Hitler wasn't Hitler yet
Should we wait until the death camps are open for business before we speak-up?

And for the record, my family has had their share of numbers tattooed on their arms. too.
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Spinoza Donating Member (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #102
103. Hitlere was Hitler from the very beginning
of his political career in 1920. His earliest speeches were filled with filthy, obsessive invective on the Jews. He was obsessed by Jews from the beginning of his public career. No Republican politicians today even come close to matching Hitler at any point of his career. This doesn't say Republicans are good or even tolerable. It only says that Nazis, real Nazis, were incomparably worse.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #103
105. Nazi Anti-Jewish Speech vs Religious Right Anti-Gay Speech
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 12:51 PM by IanDB1
Matthew Shepard Online Resources

Nazi Anti-Jewish Speech
VS.
Religious Right Anti-Gay Speech

"When you say...you are not a group of people who need special protection. You do well economically. You are an elite. That is precisely the argument that has been made in behalf of the worst kind of discrimination against Jewish people."
- United States Senator Paul Wellstone, July 29, 1994 -
Responding to a religious right spokesman's anti-gay testimony


Welcome: Der ewige Jude ("The Eternal Jew") is often considered the most famous Nazi propaganda film. It was produced at the insistence of Joseph Goebbels, and depicts the Jews of Poland as corrupt, filthy, lazy, ugly, and perverse: they are an alien people who are taking over the world.

Fast forward to the 1990s. United States Senator Paul Wellstone, himself Jewish, publicly took a religious right spokesman to task a few years back for anti-gay rhetoric that Wellstone felt was "precisely the argument" the Nazis used to justify the Holocaust.

In an effort to see if Senator Wellstone is right - are fundamentalist Christians using anti-gay arguments that echo back to the Nazi era? - this page compares quotes from "The Eternal Jew" with Christian conservatives' modern-day quotes about gay Americans.

Examine the quotes, and decide for yourself.

More:
http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/hitler/hitler.html



See also:

<snip>
There are many, many, many more examples than what I have cited here - even within the categories I have included. It's actually rather disturbing to have these two kinds of hatred set side-by-side because it goes a long way towards demonstrating that the Nazi antisemitism isn't that far off from the homophobia of America's Christian Right. Considering the fact that there are members of the Christian Right who have advocating rounding up gays and imposing the death penalty for homosexuality, there is reason to think the fate of gays in a Christian Right's America could be very similar to that of Jews in Nazi Germany.

More:
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/077032.htm



See also:

Are We There Yet?
Fascism in America

By STEW ALBERT

Is America going fascist? Or has the cursed event already happened? It depends on your definition of fascism. What usually occurs in a fascist scenario?

<snip>

The leaders of this fascist construction have been following a successful right wing version of Gramscian analysis. They have gradually been building an authoritarian culture within the framework of ordinary civil society and have now reached a point of power where they have begun reconstructing the State.

When making judgments about fascism's presence we should not just look at the final totalitarian model that developed in Europe during the 1930s. Fascism passed through various stages and wasn't born overnight in its final horrible form. And it's possible that America will never go the full route. It may even develop am Americo-fascism with a human face. But there is a difficulty with this speculation. The fascisms of Europe evolved in opposition to the rise of the proletariat and the challenge of socialism. Hence it included and corrupted certain aspects of socialism in its practice. It always contained an element of welfare state in its structure and defined itself as a middle way between liberal capitalism and socialism.

American fascism is flowering in a post socialist era in which global capitalists feels fully free to bury the welfare state. Because of this historical circumstance, American fascism has within itself the potential for an unearthly collective barbarism.

More:
http://www.counterpunch.org/albert08232005.html

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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #42
46. Half the country....pffft
Say, 29% and rapidly dwindling? ;-)

Maybe it's because they're tired of being called nazi's.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #46
52. Maybe that's my next sign...
"You can fool 29% of the people, all of the time."

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 05:59 PM
Response to Reply #46
55. You can fool 29% of the people all of the time
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #55
64. What took you so long?
:rofl:
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 01:48 AM
Response to Reply #55
88. Great sign!
The remaining 29% will still be fooled, I think.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #41
57. Remember: Liberals want to respond to terror with indictments and therapy
So, naturally we should open a dialog with Nazis and offer a listening ear.

"Open a dialog" my ass.

What we need to do is hold up a mirror and ask them to see what they've become.

Maybe we can shame another 3% and bring them down to 26%.

Actually, here in Massachusetts, they're at 24% already.

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #32
83. So we're just supposed to sit down and shut up and say nothing
while the bastards destroy our nation and our futures???

Of course.

Enjoy your stay. You'll tire of the truth soon and go back whence you came, I'm sure.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 04:32 PM
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31. You're kicking the thread
Shall I recommend it too??
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #31
40. I don't want to hide the thread,
I'd rather discuss it.

Do you have something to add?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #25
33. You don't stand-up to Nazis by playing nice
You don't respond to Hitler with indictments and therapy.

When they say that Liberals want the terrorists to win, that gay people getting married will destroy Western "Civilization," that it's okay to bomb San Francisco... they have set the tone of the debate.

You don't face it by saying, "Well, let's have a meaningful dialog about why you want to wage a genocidal war of occupation," whether that war be in Poland or in Iraq.

It's not about "meaningful dialog" with the enemy-- and they ARE the enemy.

It's about standing up and calling them out as what they are-- they are genocidal Nazi thugs.

50% of the country?

Is that all?

Bring 'em on.

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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #33
38. You didn't answer my question.
What do you think you accomplished by calling half of the people in your neighborhood "Nazis"?

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 05:05 PM
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43. First of all, most in my neighborhood are Democrats...
Secondly, what I've accomplished by calling a Nazi a Nazi is that I'm exercising my First Amendment rights to stand-up to them and call them what they are.

They are Nazi, bullying thugs.

And you have to stand up to them.

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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 05:16 PM
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47. In order to stand up to thugs, you have to be shrill?
Every Republican is a "Nazi, bullying thug[]"? Every one? I don't think that you honestly believe that. If you make no distinction between Donald Rumsfeld and the guy down the block that votes Republican because he's been fooled by their lies, then I don't think you're paying very close attention.

Believe me, I want to grab middle and lower-class Republicans by the shoulders and shake some goddamn sense into them as much as anyone. Calling people "Nazis", however, is neither productive nor particularly accurate. It only makes the job that much harder for the next person that knocks on their door or calls them on the phone.

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #47
48. Well, you go try and win the hearts and minds of the moderates...
While I content myself with squaring-off against the Backwash 29% Republican Nazis.

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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #48
50. Good luck.
If you think any liberal candidate can do a damn thing without those hearts and minds, you are absolutely wrong.

Good luck with whatever you're trying to accomplish. I hope you get the results you're looking for.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #50
53. Comforting the disturbed and disturbing the comfortable.
Apparently, I disturbed someone.

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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #47
72. Gee...
Edited on Tue Jun-13-06 09:00 PM by sendero
... the Republicans have used Rush et al for 20 years to villify liberals and make the word synomomous with evil, and probably half of the people who call themselves Republicans call themselves that for that very reason.

The tactic has worked so well for them, allowing them to get average working folks to vote squarely against their own interests, why shouldn't Dems give it a try.

Frankly, the Republican masses have been CODDLED by the reluctance of decent people (Dems) to use the kinds of tactics they use. It's time for them to face some tough rhetoric. If they can't handle it, well they shouldn't start a fight if they don't want to get a beating.

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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 10:04 PM
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75. Exactly.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #47
85. Oh, I get it! Only Republicans are allowed to be "shrill"........
We will no longer compromise, cooperate, collaborate, or coddle. We WILL exercise our First Amendment rights to speak our minds.

You want to pander to thugs, be my guest.
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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 06:15 PM
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60. More like about 1/5th of the voters
I sympathize with the point you're trying to make. However, there is a bit of perspective to keep...if the label was aimed at "Bush Voters" then 1/2 would be a reasonable statement if you qualified it with 'voters' but most people in the country don't identify with one of the two primary political parties, even among those that are registered there is no real loyalty for most it's just out of habit or family tradition.

Not to mention the fact that not everyone votes.

Perhaps this is a quibble but I think perhaps there is some significance in the numbers there.
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 08:27 PM
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68. That's exactly why its not helpful.
even among those that are registered there is no real loyalty for most it's just out of habit or family tradition.


And calling those people "Nazis" pretty much guarantees that they won't be interested in listening to liberals when they get around to making rational arguments.

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Ioo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 04:50 PM
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37. For the love of god, please put bigger signs up...
I hate when people call the cops because someone did nto break the law...

PLEASE MAKE bigger signs, and add a light!
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 05:37 PM
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54. Like your signs & glad you got a decent cop.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #54
56. Should I do, "All Your Base Are Belong to Us" just for fun?
Or does that just detract from the real message?
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 02:18 PM
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94. Hell, yes!
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 06:11 PM
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58. Go to Big Lots for poster board
Yeah, make 'em bigger and bolder with stenciled lettering. I'd help but you're way over in some state. Good for you. Glad you upset them there varmits.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 06:13 PM
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59. Nice signs
what state are you in ?

I have signs but I'm in the Bay area.
The police have not been called that
I'm aware of .
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 06:23 PM
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61. Exercising your right to freedom of speech. It's what its all about.
Thanks for posting Ian.
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 06:26 PM
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62. Two Comments on the signs
1, They are sloppy. If something is worth saying, it's worth making them meticulously. Oh, and it's "swastika".

2. When I do signs, I try to make them about individual GOP pols, or about GOP pols. Calling ALL republicans, meaning ALL your neighbors who were dumb enough to vote GOP, "Nazis" is not about to win anybody over. I say this as a former dittohead drone. It makes you look extreme and kooky, and I seriously doubt that you are. BFEE and the GOP have not been above using gestapo tactics, but throwing the nazi label is tricky business and often backfires.


Anyway, it is your trailer and you're within your rights to decorate it as you please. I just think that theere could be a slightly more constructive message you could put up. Like "equal rights to marriage for ALL Americans" or even "F*CK GEORGE BUSH".

Your neighbors are not (necessarily) the enemy...
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1620rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #62
66. You were lucky to get such a polite cop...most of them are...
...assholes.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 07:43 PM
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65. sounds like a cool cop then
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 07:47 PM
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67. Right On !st Ammendment, get some Bigger signs, HELL YA ! ! !




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adwon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 08:50 PM
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69. So much for property rights
Interesting.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 08:54 PM
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71. Here plant him one of these...
how to do a bushitler neighbor.

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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 09:43 PM
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73. I love those !!
:patriot:
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kcwayne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 10:00 PM
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74. Here in super red Indiana, I saw an "Impeach Bush" sign
on the back of a car. I thought the world had come to an end, and I was left behind.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 10:05 PM
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76. How hilarious this dumbass thought the police would be able to
do something about it!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 10:11 PM
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78. You need a "Glad you liked my sign" sign. n/t
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 11:41 PM
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81. Here is an article about my friend and neighbor and his signs
Sign ordinance: The council voted 11-1 to relax the ordinance governing political — now called “informational” — yard signs.

Council member David Voysey cast the sole dissenting vote.

American Civil Liberties Union representatives played a role in recasting Prairie Village’s ordinance eight years ago, and Voysey said he wondered what had changed to necessitate a new ordinance.

Last fall the ACLU intervened on behalf of Roe Avenue resident David Quinly, who was fined for displaying anti-war signs covering more feet than the old code allowed.

Quinly’s case — and the threat of a lawsuit from the ACLU — prompted the city to revisit ordinance, City Attorney Charles Wetzler said. He said he believed Quinly’s was the first sign case to challenge the ordinance since the 1998 version was adopted.

Some council members said they supported First Amendment rights but bemoaned the eyesore factor during a committee-of-the-whole discussion in May.

“I certainly wouldn’t want to live next to a person who has a sign up 365 days a year,” Al Herrera said. “I think it’s intrusive to the neighbors.”

Laura Wassmer said that if all exercised their free speech to the fullest extent allowed, the city would be “a mess.”

In defense of a looser ordinance, however, Quinly’s attorney, John Simpson, has said that free speech should always trump aesthetics.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/14754900.htm
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 11:52 PM
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84. Right damned on!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 11:59 PM
Response to Reply #84
87. Here's his LTTE
Hey you would LOVE this guy. His signs are awesome - and he lives on one of the busiest streets in this area.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1423256&mesg_id=1423256
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 11:58 PM
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86. Lazy nazi's- Oh god!
:rofl:
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 01:57 AM
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89. Bigger signs? What is it that your neighbors do "Not-See"?
i made a funny.

Give 'em hell!

:yourock:
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 02:38 AM
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90. I think I love you. I have a sign on my window for nearly two years
that says: SAVE AMERICA NOW! IMPEACH BUSH! WES CLARK 2008.

Kills my repug brother each time he comes over. :)
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 03:06 AM
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91. Here ya go:
Let me know if you want a bigger one, and I will make it for you.



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tinfoil tiaras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 03:25 PM
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96. I'm seriously surprised that no one has left any "love notes"
Edited on Wed Jun-14-06 03:25 PM by tinfoil tiaras
(or called the police, etc..) because of my mom's car. Maybe Mississippi is more liberal than I thought it was (fat chance...) or people here actually have lives (I'm surprised, considering the asinine letters I see to the paper every day).

Hmmm...well kudos to you...normally I hate signs (because most of them around here are big ass "Rebels for Haley" or something stupid like that) normally, but your's are cool. Keep 'em up! :D
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 03:47 PM
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99. It's great that you
own your house and can put the signs up you want..another DUer isn't as free to do that..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1427252

Tough Shite for the know nothing who called the cops on ya!

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 04:32 PM
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101. I thought that "W" was the new swastica!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #101
104. New sign today: "Republicans enjoy murdering children..."
"Republicans enjoy murdering children in Iraq and New Orleans. G.O.P. = Greed + Genocide."



I'm thinking for my next sign, perhaps, "The Iraqis have fetuses, too." or maybe, "'Pro-Family' just means hate without the hood."







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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:47 PM
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106. Heh heh
That's what I call "in your face" free speech.
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:49 PM
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107. LOVE your signs!! Good Job!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 01:16 PM
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108. Well, I ran out of room on my car...
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 01:33 PM by IanDB1
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 01:30 PM
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109. you are too cool
a drink to you, i love "republicans are just nazis too lazy to march"

i will prob. steal it from you and use it myself, although not for any monetary gain

seriously if that is not a T shirt, it should be! :-)
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 03:25 PM
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111. Please feel free to "steal" it. I want that to become an active meme
I'll be happy to take a free t-shirt, though.

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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 01:35 PM
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110. Bigger f****** signs! We need bigger f****** signs!
To paraphrase.

:rofl:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 08:48 AM
Response to Reply #110
112. Today's new sign...
Edited on Fri Jun-16-06 08:49 AM by IanDB1


"W" = The New Swastica + Footprint of the American Chickenhawk

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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 08:50 AM
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113. Destroy them
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 07:11 PM
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114. Well, today my next-door neighbor came out to complain about it
Edited on Fri Jun-16-06 07:17 PM by IanDB1
He was pretty damn pissed.

(According to voter registration logs, his wife and one of his sons is a Democrat, and their other kid is un-aligned, by the way).

Anyway, he told me that when he looks out his window, he has to see the signs and it makes him sick. "What those signs say is disgusting," he says. I agreed. "Yes, it is. But that's my opinion."

I told him that I've never had any problems with him, and if it impacts his quality of life, I'd be happy to take the signs off and move them to the other side of the storage trailer.

He also said he called the trailer rental company to find out when they'd be leaving. I assured him that I was even more eager than he is to have that damn thing off my lawn.

So, then a few minutes later, while I'm re-locating the signs, his wife comes by. She said, "Those signs say some pretty ugly things." I said, "Yes, they do." I also told her that I'd already spoken to her husband, and that out of respect for them, I said I would move the signs out of their sight. "Fair enough?" I asked. "Not completely satisfactory, but good enough for now."

In any case, I now have a pretty good idea who called the cops.

I also think I handled the situation fairly well.

I didn't escalate anything.

I Didn't use harsh rhetoric, like, "Well, if I had blood on my hands from voting for Bush, I'd have trouble looking at something like that, too." Not that I know any of them voted for Bush. One shouldn't assume, after all.

I made concessions to improve their situation, acknowledged their discomfort, and said I would accommodate them out of respect.

But what I will not do-- at least not for a while-- is I will not shut-up.

The Repukes stole the elections, stole the media, and hijacked the debate.

Angry signs are all we really have left anymore that can actually reach past our little internet enclaves and out of the Air America fiefdom.

Posted in new thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1446289
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