Thread #2, Kerry/Feingold Iraqi resolution:

[babylonsister]

Here's the first thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1478522&mesg_id=1478522

[rodeodance]

1. Santorium is claiming he has new unclassified information about wmd.

[rodeodance]

3. I think he was saying it was unclassified a few hours ago??

[dogday]

6. This just in

just in time for this resolution... How conveinent....

[rodeodance]

9. he calls them 'stockpiles'

[blm]

12. just in time for his election

is more like it. They must have complained to Bush their constituents aren't buying their lies anymore.

[dogday]

2. He is trying to make it sound like

they found WMD's.. This just in.. Just received this memo....:rofl:

[rodeodance]

7. 500 weapons-maybe more he said. He said earlier 'degraded"

[dogday]

4. Isn't that a freaking revelation

just at the right time..... RS is a tool...

[MissWaverly]

5. I like Feingold classifying "Iraq" theory of fighting terrorism

as the "roach motel method"

[me b zola]

8. How deluded can the gop be?

:crazy:

[MoonRiver]

10. LOL Santorum's numbers will drop another 5 pts. after this pathetic speech

Going, going, gone down the defunct politician drain. :D

[rodeodance]

14. now saying he asked for this document 2 and half months ago.

[MoonRiver]

15. ...

:rofl:

[rodeodance]

45. and it magicly appears just in the nick of time for the debate!!!!

[MoonRiver]

49. Yes, indeed. Repukes are the masters of smoke and mirrors.

But they've gone through their little bag of tricks and we all now know the "magic" is a con job.

[rodeodance]

11. If this is so important why is it just now Declassified????????

[WinkyDink]

13. OMG, Santorum has been visiting his dog a bit too often. HE'S NUTS!!!!!!

Funny how neither Bush nor Cheney has mentioned these "stockpiles".
Ah, well. Ricky's gone for good in November.

And he's kept this "incredibly important document" to himself until his speaking time? NICE GUY, RICKETY!

[rodeodance]

18. "categorically untrue" that SH had NO wmd. whow whow whow

[rodeodance]

20. so---Santy man made it seem like he had exclusive new knowledge.

[TayTay]

19. Magic WMD, now you see them, now you don't

Ricky and his magic DoD report prove this. Even though no one has seen this report or subjected it to a thorough review.

Icky Ricky is a moron. What a pathetic trick.

[rodeodance]

28. He said some of it was just UNclassified. But if SO imp. I think it would

have been pulled out before now!!

[tridim]

16. Got a link Santorum?

I thought not.

[rodeodance]

24. He said other Senators can go look at the document.

[me b zola]

17. Oh no

Sanatorium was doing that 'pat the imaginary dog' insane hand motion that bush* uses. The insanity must be contagious.

Quick, Feingold, Kerry, put your haz-mat suits on :rofl:

[rodeodance]

26. well, he sure did a poor job of explaining the 'new' information!!

[uppityperson]

21. Boxer, go Boxer

[rodeodance]

22. Warner followin Santorum--but he never said a word about new wmd

[me b zola]

23. Boxer looks goooood

[tridim]

25. She always looks good

Strong too.

[me b zola]

27. oh shite

I hadn't heard about this. Boxer is saying that one of the soldiers killed by the Iraqi army guy that they were patrolling with had told his parents that they have been shot at before by the Iraqis and his CO told him to shut up and not to tell anybody. :grr: :cry:

When will this insanity end???????? :cry:

[rodeodance]

29. oh my. How horrible.

[rodeodance]

31. and recall 7 troops charged today (some with murder). We need to get

them out of this horrible situation.

[rodeodance]

32. k

[rodeodance]

33. Boxer is mocking the so-called 'progress' in Irag. te he. Love her chart.

[me b zola]

39. Active duty military divorces have doubled since '03

"that is the weight of this war"

[TayTay]

36. Her charts and info are devastating

The Rethugs are saying how we have to stay the course. Sen. Boxer is really detailing what a disaster this war is and how costly it is to the US. (As if the Rethugs care.)

Go get 'em Senator. Great job. Who is protecting the troops and who cares about their welfare and what goes on in their lives. We are abandoning our responsibilities to the troops. Thank you for bringing this up Senator.

[rodeodance]

41. don't forget--Joe L. was just up saying STAY the Course!!

[me b zola]

30. "redeployment of our troops is smart & stratigic"

:applause:

[rodeodance]

34. says suicides are up now (US)

[rodeodance]

35. says divorses are up and asks WHere are the family values?

[rodeodance]

38. says the troops have done all they have been asked to do.

[rodeodance]

40. and they have PAID THE PRICE IN dying and in lost limbs etc etc.

[uppityperson]

43. what does our president say?

not allow to leave until everything is absolutely perfect in Iraq, no talk of when or what to measure by, "we will know it when we see it" and Boxer calling BS.

[me b zola]

46. "I haven't seen anything like this since Vietnam"

"I lived through those days, that's why I got into politics"

[uppityperson]

51. situation Saddam vs post occupation, terrorism

can't imagine a set of circumstances more apt to breed terrorists than this. How do Iraqi people feel about our president? graph 87% support timeline for USA to get out, across all ethnicities.

[rodeodance]

81. nice contrast.

[Armstead]

37. Has anyone noticed that Boxer is a dead ringer for Ann Bancroft?

Okay it's trivial, but the resemblance just struck me.

[Armstead]

44. On a more serioous note -- She just Nailed It

Bush wants to wait until everything in Iraq is perfect.

[rodeodance]

47. 'we will know it when we see it' (victory)--he was mocking Bush

[rodeodance]

42. thanks for the new thread.

[rodeodance]

48. says Generals say our long term presense breeds more terrorist. GOT

that BUSH--YOUR GENerals are saying that!

[rodeodance]

50. saying 87% of IRaqi want a TIMELINE for us to get out!!

[uppityperson]

52. thanks rodeodance for blogging on here

amazing

[rodeodance]

71. i have dial up--so I am slow and behind.

[uppityperson]

73. you're doing great, keep it up!

second by second at the exact moment isn't needed, but hard to listen and type and post at the same time. You do good.

[rodeodance]

53. said we know of 2 instances where Iraqi troops shot US troops in cold

blood.

[rodeodance]

56. Boxer turning argument unsidedown--saying makes us MORE vulner-

able by staying. says we are paralized.

[rodeodance]

59. says we need to start climbing our the hole!! Great one.

[uppityperson]

60. Almost everyone in the world wants us out, even most supportive

start climbing out. of the hole. Change the mission, start bringing our troops home, start redeploying them

[babylonsister]

54. Boxer (and Feingold, and Kerry) make so much sense! Why

can't the 'majority' of these assclowns see that?:banghead: :banghead:

[me b zola]

55. "...leading us deeper and deeper"

"The American people want an exit stratigy. An exit strategy isn't cutting & running, it's smart and stratigic"

[me b zola]

57. "I believe in democracy, so let's listen to what the Iraqis want---

---they want a time table for us to leave"

[rodeodance]

63. Kerry had mentioned this survery also. have NOT it on the news.

[dogday]

58. She is right about the hole

this admin has dug a big-ass hole...

[uppityperson]

61. stop the status quo

[me b zola]

64. the abyss

That's the way that it feels. I'm tired of feeling like this

[rodeodance]

62. says military kept it a secret until today (Iragi turned on US troop)--

whow.

[uppityperson]

65. she gave an amazing speech, info and graphics and more emotions

Make people see wtf is going on, hit their emotions, keep it all going.

[rodeodance]

67. Which the new charges of murder against the troops and now this new

coverup by the military (Iraqi killing us troop and then not telling anyone until today)---maybe this IS a turing point????

[dogday]

66. Trust me, this will be good when Byrd gets up..... nt

[FairVotes4all]

83. Yep, Byrd is doing awesome..

Never watched C-span before... I didn't know what I have been missing all these years!

[rodeodance]

68. Byrd now reading from Iraqi Security Advisor (op ed in WPost June 20)

[rodeodance]

69. advisor says time to leave.

[rodeodance]

70. hey hey---byrd is talking of how they tried to quelch Kerry amendment

a few days earlier.

[rodeodance]

72. says that kerry may be called unpatriotic for speeking his mind.

[rodeodance]

74. oh oh. Byrd will NOT support the Kerry-F amendment.

[uppityperson]

75. not defined by constitutional powers accorded to congress

[uppityperson]

78. but there are other ways to make a change, another ammendment

not like this ammendment, but wants to consider other options, another ammendment

[rodeodance]

79. he said he was not sure (guess he is erring on the side of caution).

[rodeodance]

76. says there are other ways to effect a CHANGE in Irag.

[rodeodance]

77. Is he going to offer his own amendment?

[uppityperson]

80. sometimes an amendment is wrong, law is phrased wrong

but it is stirring debate and need to get a congressional thing that is lawful and right.

[rodeodance]

82. I do not always agree with him but h e is giving a good argument

[uppityperson]

85. effort to move the debate away from the realm of political mudslinging

to the realm of constitutional responsibility. Amendment: Lay down a roadmap, bring our troops home from Iraq, with honor and with dignity.

[uppityperson]

86. Iraqis responsibilty for own security, straight approach amendment to un..

unravel the conundrum

[rodeodance]

84. I am still thinking of what Santorum said (above)--He was SO cocky making

his announcement out of the blue.

[dogday]

88. Maybe I am paranoid, but it smells

like Rove to me....

[rodeodance]

91. it is too 'convenient'--and waiting till his time to speak. something fish

y going on.

[rodeodance]

87. rec.

[rodeodance]

89. says his amendment would either reassert or give Congress authority

to terminate the use of force. whow.

[uppityperson]

90. congress must reauthorize or not use of force-Byrd

or the use expire based on circumstances, not timetable
1. Iraq gvt assumes reasponsiblity for secutiry , or multi-ntl group does, or US pres certifies Iraq achieves something or congress terminates use of force.

[rodeodance]

92. its not so complicated. but Bush/Repugs will never go for it.

[rodeodance]

93. k

[rodeodance]

95. says people need to hear that we will NOT be a permanant stay in

Irag.

[rodeodance]

96. "patriotic SOULS" 3x said it (dead US troops)

[uppityperson]

97. they and innocent iraqis are why we need to debate a few more hrs

[uppityperson]

94. how does his amendment compare?

[rodeodance]

98. well, if I understand correctly Congress can step in and say stop. That

would share power with the excutive branch.

[uppityperson]

100. neither side should dictate? Kerry's sounds more binding timewise?

[Mass]

104. Byrd is great on constitutional issues, but what he proposes is not

a solution, it is just a modus operandi.

[uppityperson]

99. South Dakota Thune (burn in hell) is up

non-binding and Kerry amendment

[uppityperson]

102. stakes in the debate are high and the consequences are blah blah blah

I went to Iraq (and bought a t-shirt in the green zone?)

[rodeodance]

101. John Thune from SD (Repug) up now.

[rodeodance]

103. hey uppy--I have to leave for a while. carry on. Nice to chat with you.

[uppityperson]

105. bye, got distracted a minute, Thune blah blah blah "went to Iraq"

whenever I do anything talking to anyone about Iraq, "do you believe we are making a difference, progress being made, doing the right thing"

[uppityperson]

106. worked out in weight room "with our troops" blah blah blah

They understand the stake and believe in The Mission

[uppityperson]

108. damn straight it is about the ntl security of generations of americans

blah blah blah, killers maim people. since then we've fought the Cold War. (wtf does that have to do with this mrthuneburninhell?) making world safer, etc, WW2, Cold War, War On Terror, our generations struggle between good and evil, responsibility to Win the War against terror so future generations don't have to live in fear blah blah blah

[DURHAM D]

107. I have been listening to this guy for 5 minutes and he has

yet to say anything. I think he is stalling until other Senators get on the floor.

[uppityperson]

109. talking points, slogans, blah blah blah, look at watch, went to iraq, blah

[DURHAM D]

111. Opus Dei idiot from Kansas up now. Blah, Blah, Blah eom

[uppityperson]

110. On to Kansas Brownback "important debate"

[uppityperson]

112. US public opinion is going to lose us the war because THEY

moniter it.

[Armstead]

113. "The terrorists are watching this debate...."

Brownback, saying they are taking notes to determine the level of US resolve.

[uppityperson]

114. #3 thread up, be good to dial-uppers, link here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1479913

[pinto]

115. Thread #3 here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1479913