Ya gotta wonder. Is the GOP intentionally committing suicide?

[reprobate]

There's Tom Delay, Jack Abramoff, Scooter Libby, Carl Rove, etc., etc., etc.

The republican party and this administration is now seen as the most corrupt in the history of this nation. Worse than the Teapot Dome scandal. And their answer is to forbid trips and dinners from lobbyists unless they also contributed to their campaign funds. Now THAT makes sense.

The cost of the Iraq war is approaching two Trillion dollars. Not to mention twenty two hundred american lives and twenty thousand americans maimed. Mad George's approval rating is the lowest of any president since polls began and yet the republicans are going to put Alito on the USSC. When he votes to nullify Roe while eighty percent of the public wants reproductive freedom, the revolution may start.

Der Fuhrer is turning the country into a fascist state, ignoring the constitution and the laws. The media is finally speaking out minimally but at least they've started.

I remember saying four years ago that this bunch would go down due to their own arrogance, and now it really seems to be possible. But what could the republicans possibly be thinking? Are they really self destructive, or are they truly so arrogant that they think no one is paying attention? I've seen reports that some of them are worried about losing reelection, but they certainly aren't acting that way.

I'd like to explore the thought processes behind what they're doing, if there is any thought behind it. What could their motives be? I mean it's said that when you've dug yourself into a hole the first thing you want to do is stop digging. But they don't seem able to do that.

What to you think?

[Skittles]

1. I think the bastards are just inherently corrupt

and when they took control of all branches of government, the press, the Supreme Court, the voting, they thought, who the f*** can stop us???

[depakid]

13. who the f*** indeed.

From the looks of it, no one.

The Dems have been emasculated (and continually engage in self-defeating behavior) and the sheeple are too disinterested to even know what they've lost and what's going to happen to them in the not too distant future.

Add to that the structural problems involved in changing the elctoral process.... and the prognosis doesn't look too optimistic.

[Skittles]

14. I don'[t care for the word emasculated

for the most part, it is men who got us into this f***ing mess

[Brundle_Fly]

2. it's a simple effect that happens...

it's called Drunk with Power.

It's easy to do things that are incredibly insincere and awful if you think there is no repercussions.

and with the talking heads, and media blackouts on truth, and lack of screaming democrats, they were getting away with awful things.

Thank god there are rules, and they just grabbed a little more than they should have, or could get away with. I think the deck of cards that formed into this castle of pure arrogance is falling, and I think the bottom is a long way down.

[Journeyman]

3. Hubris doesn't carry the germ of its own demise. . .

it is its demise contained within itself. So long as they're afflicted with it (and BushCo has embodied it from the beginning), their fate is sealed. All that's required is enough time. . .

[EFerrari]

5. So true. And we need to distinguish between the

players and their relationships to the GOP.

That the GOP has been overrun with these drunkards, no doubt. But, all investments aren't equal. Some are party faithfuls, some are just barnacles, some are just slumming.

[McKenzie]

4. They're acting as if there is no tomorrow...

so maybe there is no "tomorrow" in the sense that we envisage it and maybe they know that. Peak Oil is upon us, global warming is melting the Polar ice caps and there are signs that suggest the first world economies are teetering on the edge of the precipice. So maybe, just maybe, those who know that are getting what they can before the whole shebang goes belly up.

Wild speculation on my part arising out of sheer bewilderment.

[K-W]

6. They know exactly what they are doing.

It will end in another burn out, but just like Nixon and Reagan-Bush, they will have reformed the government and changed the political and legal playingfield. And as long as the interim democrats remain moderates, they can afford to take even 8 years off rebuilding thier politcal machine.

The thought process behind thier motives is simple, they are normal people who think about paying thier kids college loans and having a plum retirement, some are megolomaniacs and some are sociopaths, regardless, they work for the upper class in the US and always have. And it is what the upper class is thinking that really matters, and it is fairly obvious that the upper class feels it is time to capitalize on thier historical powerful position, which means squeezing labor, driving the imperial project forward, and rolling back the new deal. It doesnt matter if they get booted out of office occassionally, as long as the alternative is a democrat who will largely be cooperative with thier plans as well.

They arent in a hole at all they are on top of the world, they are enjoying tremendous access to the institutions of government and they are having a field day. If they get booted, they get booted, the damage is done, money will push a centrist dem into office or John McCain will win as an outsider republican and what they did will not be fixed. We will get a new set of anti coruption laws that will either be ignored or gotten around before long.

[Rageneau]

7. They pla on blaming the next Dem President for the mess they made

The reason the Rethugs assume they can get away with theft, murder and extortion is that they know the public is getting fed up and will elect a Dem as President next time. At that point, all the cesspools and sinkholes today's Republicans have created will be blamed on whoever that Democrat is.

And they'll get away with it because our national press are lying Nazi whores.

[A Simple Game]

11. They get away with it because;

We can't put the Country through another impeachment
It would tear the Country apart to know the truth
They are out of power now, let's just fix the messes

BULL

The truth is that if we don't punish them, it gets worse the next time. Reagan was worse than Nixon, * is worse than Reagan. They are getting bolder each time, and their gaining more each time they are in power.

They know they can't stay in power, so they gain all they can each time knowing most of their gains will stay in place.

[Hekate]

8. No. But I fear that Nemesis will carry all of us down with them

The Repubs, the Masters of War, the Mega-Corporations -- they are all caught up in massive hubristic delusional behavior, and at some point they will over-reach themselves so far that no one will be able to explain it away or pretend it isn't happening.

Unfortunately, the entire country is along for this ride, even those of us shouting "Stop the car you bastards and let me off!"

Many who fear the outcome of this wild ride are planning and working on how to pick up the pieces and repair the damage... We want our country back...

We will live to see better days, and we will make them happen.

Hekate

[izzie]

9. What about this thought? They really think they are right?

That makes the game harder to fight than if it is just plain greed or love of power.:dilemma: :dilemma: :dilemma:

[DiverDave]

10. When all you've ever known is privilege and power

you REALLY believe that anything you do is O.K.
The mindset of "the laws are for suckers" is in play here IMO.
They do anything they want all their lives, with no consequences, it isn't that much of a stretch to believe that this is the tip of the iceberg.

[jody]

12. What happens to the Rep Party doesn't matter, the Corporatist Party

is inexorably increasing its grip on our government. Under current and foreseeable campaign finance laws, its not one vote per person but one vote per dollar.

The Corporatist Party includes the 1% that own nearly half our financial wealth and control every major multinational corporation in the U.S. With proposed reductions in estate taxes, capital gains, dividends, and corporate taxes, their share could be in the 70% range by 1950.

Recent foreign multinational corporations that have opened plants in the U.S. now depend upon U.S. military power to protect their plants in other countries. Those companies are controlled by similar wealthy families in their countries.

The NWO is probably a fait accompli, the only question is how long before it is obvious to the working masses and what ultimate form will it take?