Lets compare Bush to Mussolini instead of Hitler.

[Raydawg1234]

Every time we compare Bush to Hitler and the Nazis, the Repthugs always counter with the following, "thats over the top, Bush didn't kill millions of Jews." So why not compare him with Mussolini? It was he that stated that a better word for fascism was corporatism.

[KyuzoGator]

1. Unfortunately, Bush compares more closely with Hitler.

I see your point, but the historical parallels are there...regardless of how politically incorrect it is.

[cantstandbush]

16. Bush hasn't killed "millions of Jews" but before it's over he might

kill millions of others. Hitler started out just like the Bushbots. Turning fellow countrymen against people different from them, lying, using propaganda, using fear tactics, using torture, using national security, using secret service, spying on countrymen, arresting people who dissented,..that's why i compare Bush to Hitler and his supporters to the Germans and others who supported Hitler. Hitler didn't start by killing millions of Jews, that's how his reign ended. If we don't speak out now, it may be too late.

[KyuzoGator]

17. Reichstag = 9/11

There are 101 other similarities, every one scary as hell.

[JohnnyBoots]

41. I disagree, Bush is more like Mussolini and his Fascist movement,

but he is using the Goebels/Nazi playbook of propaganda to do it.

[PDJane]

2. Seeing how many concentration camps

are ready to be populated, I wouldn't rule that out. Only it will not be Jews, but the black, brown, and poor.

However, I do agree with you to some extent.

[TheCowsCameHome]

6. Poppy should have been in a contraception camp.

Stupid offspring..........

[rwenos]

3. You're Right -- Benito is a Better Analogy

"Fascism is the unity of corporate and state power."

30,000 workers at Ford can testify to THAT now, can't they?

And Ford stock jumped at the news day. Pitiful.

[Kansas Wyatt]

9. Benito Bush has a fascist ring to it, that goes with his corp/gov merger.

Plus, Benito Bush wouldn't repel like comparing Bush to Hitler.

[Individualist]

4. I don't give a damn what rethugs say

If the jackboot fits, wear it.

[chat_noir]

15. can you say Reichstag?

[Cleita]

5. Why do you people insist on obfuscating the facts?

One little thing, Hitler was all lovey and adoring of Mussolini to the point that he saved him from being killed once or twice. I thought it was pretty weird considering Hitler's hatred of non-Aryans.

The fact was that the Italians weren't as easily kool-aided as the Germans and Mussolini couldn't quite get the cult-like obedience from them that Hitler could from the Germans.

Believe me, Mussolini was as bad as Hitler.

[Raydawg1234]

7. you people?

[Cleita]

8. Yes, all you people, who seem to think that facism, totalitarianism

and all that goes with it, is in degrees. It' isn't. Also, I seem to see a post like your's surface once or twice a week here.

Oh, deah, we can't call him a Nazi, can we? What would the servants say?

[lvx35]

13. Hitler and non-aryans

Interesting point you brought up...One should also remember the alliance with Japan. I've wondered about this. Reading Hitlers speeches, he spoke of a "folk spirit" that each people had, and how they belonged with their own people. Hitler was also hugely effected by the "protocols of the learned elders of zion" so I think the holocaust was about more than mere white supremicism.

[HawkerHurricane]

20. Alliance with Japan...

the Nazi's rationalized it by claiming that the Japanese were the 'Aryans of Orientals'.

For one reason or another, the following groups were declared 'Aryans' at one time or another...
Germans
English
Irish
Finns
Bulgarians
Hungarians
Romanians
Italians
Croats
Hindus
Japanese
Cossacks
Mongols
Chinese

(OK, the reason for all of them was political... Germany wanted to be allies with them. Go figure.)

[Cleita]

23. Yes, especially since he hated Slavs.

That's why he went AWOL from the Austrian army because they allowed Slavs in the ranks. When they caught up with him, he didn't pass the physcical for the Austrian army anyway. Begs the question as to whom was inferior.

[Art_from_Ark]

33. The Germans and Japanese had long had an affinity for one another

No doubt Hitler was impressed with Japan's nearly 100% ethnic "purity". Furthermore, the Germans and Japanese both had militaristic regimes masquerading as parliamentary democracies, and at one time both were led by emperors. The Germans were instrumental in getting the new Meiji government (1868-1912) set up, helping it to establish a modern medical system (German terminology is still used to some extent in Japanese medical schools), a rigid educational system (Japanese high school students still wear uniforms that are reminiscent of 19th century Germany), a modern industrial labor system (Japanese still refer to part-time work as "Arbeit") and even helping the Japanese to grow rice in Hokkaido. I think the Germans were also impressed with Japan's decisive victory over Russia in the 1904-05 Russo-Japanese War, a victory which aggravated an already growing anti-Japanese sentiment in other Western countries.

[HawkerHurricane]

35. Realpolitic

Also, Japan's plans involved beating up on every country that had a colony in Asia... France, Holland, Britain, Russian and the U.S.
Germany's plan called for wars of conquest against France, Holland and Russia, and expected resistance from Britain and the U.S.
Every military unit that Europeans had fighting Japan in Asia was a unit the Germans didn't have to fight.
Germany declared war on the U.S. hoping Japan would declare war on Russia... but because of Kulkin Gol (spelling varies), Japan had no desire to fight Russia until Germany had weakened Russia more.

[Art_from_Ark]

43. Japan actually had a non-agression pact with Russia

and it was not broken until Russia declared war on Japan after the Hiroshima bombing, having gotten the green light for it at Yalta and again at Postdam.

[HawkerHurricane]

44. Japan signed a pact with Russia...

after the Red Army handed them thier hats at Khalkin-Gol.

http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/mil/html/ml_027100_khalkingolba.htm

They didn't think they could beat the Russians... and Japan was not famous for keeping treaty agreements with countries they thought they could defeat.

[Art_from_Ark]

46. True

The Japanese signed the non-agression pact with the USSR in 1939 after the Japanese army took a thrashing when they tried to advance into Siberia, and the pact was honored until the Russians started to invade the Japanese-held Kurile Islands (Chishima Retto) after the bombing of Hiroshima. The northern Kuriles had actually been acquired from Russia through peaceful treaty some 70 years earlier, while the two southernmost Kuriles (Etorofu/Iterrup and Kunashiri/Kunashir, as well as nearby geologically-unrelated islands) had always been considered to be Japanese islands, but they too, were invaded and occupied.

[HawkerHurricane]

47. USSR also attacked...

Manchuria and the Korean pennisula, eventually giving MOST of Manchuria to the PRC, and splitting Korea into North and South.

[On the Road]

10. I Like That -- It Also Has the Advantage

of playing into stereotypes of Italians. Such as: their tanks have five gears in reverse, and one in forward (in case they attack from the rear).

And it plays into what Winston Churchill said in reference to Ethiopia: "That jackal Mussolini tried to get himself an empire...on the cheap."

[Patsy Stone]

11. Not until

he can make the trains run on time. :)

You say tomato, I say tom-ah-to. Either works for me. It actually fluctuates. Some days, more Hitler that Mussolini.

[UTUSN]

12. Well, O.K., that'll work n/t

[leftstreet]

14. Hitler built a broken country - Bush is destroying a perfectly good one

nuff said.

[robbedvoter]

19. Built a what again? Is that you, Arnold?

:wow:

[leftstreet]

22. LOL - what?

Hitler / Bush comparisons are sometimes apples / oranges comparisons. Germany was an impoverished shithole when Hitler came to power. Economic prosperity happened because of his regime (for whatever evil purposes they were after).

Conversely, Bush is impoverishing the US with massive military/corporate looting of our treasures. Our infrastructures are crumbling, and China will own our debt. That's not "nation building."

[Zynx]

37. Interestingly, Hitler's "recovery" was built on debt and financial

trickery. It would have eventually failed under its own weight.

[robbedvoter]

40. Not unlike the Raygun, GOP style of budget "victories.

[robbedvoter]

39. Economic prosperity? geez, I only remember war & devastation

but I might be biased....You may want to try for "Hitler was elected". Same effect, more historical accuracy.
We don't need to give Hitler's campaign platform as a fact to make the case he was better than W .

[lonestarnot]

18. a bushitler is a bushitler is a bushitler. doesn't have the same ring as

bushitlini.

[bpilgrim]

21. or Imperial Japan's GEACPS plan for spreading PEACE, PROSPERITY, FREEDOM

& SECURITY to asia.

looks exactly like our policy in the ME.

peace

[fujiyama]

24. Are the analogies even necessary?

I think it's valid comparing repukes to a fascist party and in some instances, even comparing them to Nazis makes sense.

But comparing Bush to Hitler in particular is tougher. The two were very different. Hitler's drive was motivated by sheer hatred. It was the communists, the Slavs, the Gypsies, the homosexuals, and primarily, first and foremost, thee Jews that hhad 'destroyed' Germany accordinng to him. Hitler was also charismattic aand was a war hero.

Bush, strikes me more as a bumbling fucktard that wasa put in place to enrich various corporate and religious fanatics. His politics aren't about sheer hhatred. I don't think heh actually hhates Muslims. He's a religious chauvanist, but he doesn't strike me as having theh intense ambition of killing millions.

So far his body count is lower thahn Nixon, and even Johnson at this point. Entering Iraq was a war crime, and unjustified any way you look at it. He MAY be where Hitler was after he invaded Checkoslovakia, but we don't know yet. Graneted, I don't want to see if that's theh case, but I somehow doubt his body count will be past a million (depends if he invades more countries)...but he will have lasting disasterous consequeences.

[Raydawg1234]

25. But if he attacks Iran, Bush might set off world war 3.

Iran retaliates with anti-ship missiles - US responds with Nukes - China moves on Taiwan - Russia jumps in to aid their allies.

[PDJane]

32. If he's stupid enough to attack Iran

and no one is smart enough to stop him, it will be a bloody disaster; a rogue power with a crumbling economy, a sense of entitlement and nukes.......oh, good.

[liberalpragmatist]

26. Sorry, I think Hitler analogies are ridiculous

I think George W. Bush is a terrible president, with worryingly undemocratic tendencies, a messiah complex, and completely incoherent and irrational foreign and domestic policies. Hitler that does not make.

Regardless of his administration's hostility to criticism and jingoism, I don't think George W. Bush is an aspiring dictator; even if he were, however, there have been HUNDREDS of dictators, fascists, and quasi-fascists, along with plenty of shady and authoritarian democratic leaders. Even if Bush were a dictator, he'd have to go awfully far for him to equal Hitler. I realize this may not be a "popular" opinion on DU and I fully expect a flurry of replies telling me how wrong-headed I am. Sorry, I know my history, and I don't need a lecture on how Bush *IS* Hitler. I know Fascism, I know the history of undemocratic regimes, and I am well aware of the parallels between current-day Republican Jingoism/nationalism and the Nazis and other Fascist regimes. Still, I do not believe that Bush = Hitler.

[Raydawg1234]

27. There is also a good analogy with the ancient Roman empire.

Like how the Roman army became stretched too thin, and they couldn't deal with the barbarians at the gate.

[liberalpragmatist]

30. THAT's an analogy I can get behind

America and Rome at its twilight have a lot of parallels. Personally, I don't think that the U.S. is going to collapse; but history shows that states often collapse within years of it seeming impossible - nobody expected the Soviet Union to collapse 5 years out, for example.

[northzax]

29. I actually prefer Napoleon

if we are talking about a historical leader. But even that doesn't work, since Napoleon followed a more oppressive government that his, in a manner of speaking. But there was certainly more of a Louis IV "l'Etat est moi" routine going on than in Nazi Germany.

and really, it's intellectual laziness to do straight comparisons. Isn't Bush bad enough that we have to make analogies to other leaders? He's not Hitler, he;s not Mussolini, he's not Stalin, he's not Franco, he's not anyone but his own asshole self, and if we can't make that arguement without resorting to lazy historical analogies, we don't deserve to win.

[TankLV]

28. Only if we can treat him to the same end.

I'm good at building things and I have plenty of rope.

[crispini]

31. cause he can't even make the fecking trains run on time..... nt

[alfredo]

34. Both bush and Benito were seen as buffoons.

Not everyone will recognise/understand this, but those that do,
I hope they think's it funny.

[Zynx]

36. Mussolini works pretty well.

An ignorant blustering buffoon seeking out empire.

[Just Me]

38. Yeeah, except he's got Muslims in torture camps all over the world.

x(

Nazis were named and are specifically recognized for their genocide of Jews.

Perhaps, Neocons will become known for their genocide of Muslims.

Both are fascists.

I really, really feel sick over the state of our nation. ;(

[mwb970]

42. Actually, Bush is channeling ALL of America's enemies.

The Tories (in the Revolution) - opposes Constitution, wants to be King.

The Confederacy - racism, divided nation.

Hitler - invaded non-threatening country, lean toward fascism, oppress minorities, establish empire.

Mussolini - corporatism, fascism, police state.

The Soviet Union - suppression of dissent, spying on citizens, fake elections.

al Qaeda - torture, religious fundamentalism.


Did I miss anything?

[Crankie Avalon]

45. Or else to Mobutu...

...both were/are megalomaniacal, infinitely corrupt criminals who presided over kleptocracies that ransacked the wealth of their respective countries and put it into their own pockets and the pockets of their friends.