"I Miss You" - grab a kleenex first

[proud2BlibKansan]

"I Miss You"

http://www.tomsongs.com/images/IMISSYOU.wmv

[question everything]

1. Wait a sec, let me wipe my tears

so that I can see what I am typing..

Thank you

[proud2BlibKansan]

2. You are welcome

[stop the bleeding]

3. touching - I wish someone would make a video for the Iraqi's

:cry:

After all they do not even have a choice for this shitwar.....

[lonestarnot]

8. And neither do we! nor will we in the soon war with Iran.

[Twist_U_Up]

4. I couldn't imagine losing a loved one to this pack of lies.....

I hope and prey that justice catchs up to these gangsters

[proud2BlibKansan]

6. Amen

[liberalhistorian]

22. I can't, either, and I have absolutely

no intention of letting my teenage son, my only child, become fodder for their political games; I don't give a fuck WHAT his freeper "I'd be proud to have a son of mine die in a war for his country" father says. He can send the son he had with his fiance and leave mine the hell alone. His second son is only five, but I'm sure there'll be yet another senseless war by the time he's of age.

[Historic NY]

5. Gut wrenching............n/t

[neweurope]

7. Found the beginning touching, Only the beginning.

Sorry, I have only so many tears. None to spare for US soldiers (even though I realize they are victims, too, in a way). My tears are flowing for the Iraqis and all the other poor people your military fights.


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Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[peacebaby3]

9. My husband is one of those soldiers. Your bitterness toward all of

the soldiers is misplaced. It should be for their government that gave them no choice. Some might agree with their government, some do not - but they all die the same and their families all mourn the same. Blame the leaders not the ones they use and could care less about.

I grieve for all of those lost in this senseless war.

[neweurope]

10. I feel sorry for you. Really.

But this "your bitterness... should be for their government that gave them no choice"... not once - well, maybe just once - have I read that excuse for German WW II soldiers. "I was so ordered" was never an excuse for any (DRAFTED) German - said the Americans. And they still do, read the latest post about the pope. But if American (volontary!) soldiers get ordered to do anything - American soldiers who KNOW time and time again they are not defending their country but are being sent into wars to oppress the poor people of the world - that is an excuse? This I do not understand. And I do not excuse them.

And really I can understand how your life must be. But still. American soldiers are not the prominent victims. Those they are fighting are. By the way, I once was married to an American soldier.

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Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[peacebaby3]

11. No need to feel sorry for me, but thanks anyway. We may have a voluntary

military. but once you are signed up you cannot just quit. That is called being AWOL and you will go to prison. Many people joined the military not knowing that their government would use it to invade and occupy another country.

I have never once said anything about the German soldiers in WWII. In fact, I feel the same way about them as I do the American soldiers of today. Many of them were just trying to survive (including the current Pope) and had no choice. Even if they were willing to die themselves, they would have had to worry about their families and what would have happened to them.

It's all a matter of perspective. If you had a family member who had been sent there to fight, you would love and care about them regardless of whether you supported the "war." Why are there prominent victims? Tell that to Cindy Sheehan who lost her son in this horrible war. Tell her that her son's life meant less because of his government's actions.

All life is precious.

[stop the bleeding]

12. Ding, ding ding - you are both on the same team, you BOTH are correct

Yes our military is a volunteer but they do not have a choice, and yes the Iraqis do not volunteer nor do they have a choice.

I think both of you made valid points but the emotions got in the way.

BTW both of my parents - REPEAT both are Retired ARMY

see post # 3 listed above in this thread....

[BushOut06]

17. Actually, you DO have a choice

While attending Officer Basic Course, we were taught that if you are given an order that you know is illegal or wrong, it is your duty to refuse the order, and report it. And there have been cases where soldiers have refused to either go to Iraq or have refused various duties. You just have to be prepared to suffer the consequences if the military doesn't agree with your position - which can be a very difficult thing if you're a young, impressionable young soldier.

I'm not taking a position in this thread, just pointing out that our soldiers do have choices.

[peacebaby3]

19. Problem is that this "war" is not considered illegal or wrong. It is

legitimate according to our current government so you would be counted AWOL and court-martialed. While most of us here would probably disagree, a soldier would have no legal ground to stand on.

Yes, some soldiers have refused and have been court-martialed and are in prison. Others are fighting using "Conscientious Objector." Unfortunately, since my husband has served in other "hostile" missions and is a 19 yr. vet, he would be very hard pressed to prove he was a conscientious objector. About 99% of those requests are refused. He is also the provider for his family so it would be pretty bad if he went to prison.

If they try to send him back before he retires this coming year, we will look into all of our options.

[BushOut06]

20. True, but you can still refuse illegal orders while fighting the war

Hypothetically speaking, if your commanding officer told you to fire upon unarmed civilians, or burn down a mosque, that would be illegal. As a soldier, it would be your responsility to refuse that order, and report it to the IG. The Abu Gharib situation is a perfect example - just because you are told to do something that is wrong, saying "I was ordered to do so" is no excuse.

[peacebaby3]

21. I agree, but this discussion is about why someone would serve in

the "war" in Iraq. So it is accurate to say that they do not have a choice (except prison) about deploying to Iraq. That is what I am commenting about.

Although what you say is very true "on paper", it is much more difficult in the field. My husband spoke up while he was in Iraq. He was not ordered to commit an atrocity, but there were things that he considered wrong. He was threatened on several occasions and I was worried he might "accidentally" die. There was also another group that refused to make a supply run through a very dangerous area because the military had not updated their humvees/trucks with any armour and several had already been killed by IEDs. They were arrested and several of the upper enlisted are being court-martialed. (This actually made the news). If you refused a direct order and did not have anyone else on your side (brave enough to speak up) you would either be court-martialed or have an "accident." That's the real world.

[FreedomAngel82]

14. And if they don't they go to jail

[FreedomAngel82]

13. What a sad video

:(

[proud2BlibKansan]

16. Yes it is

[Window]

15. Profound.

Thank you for sharing.


Peace

[proud2BlibKansan]

18. You're welcome