So, what's all this about neocons?

[madmusic]

Leo Strauss' Philosophy of Deception

By Jim Lobe, AlterNet. Posted May 19, 2003.

Many neoconservatives like Paul Wolfowitz are disciples of a philosopher who believed that the elite should use deception, religious fervor and perpetual war to control the ignorant masses.

What would you do if you wanted to topple Saddam Hussein, but your intelligence agencies couldn't find the evidence to justify a war?

A follower of Leo Strauss may just hire the "right" kind of men to get the job done – people with the intellect, acuity, and, if necessary, the political commitment, polemical skills, and, above all, the imagination to find the evidence that career intelligence officers could not detect.

more: http://www.alternet.org/story/15935

Also, thanks to an unknown DUer who recently mentioned this:

The Power of Nightmares: Baby It's Cold Outside

UK Prime Minister and US President
George W Bush stand behind a picture
of Osama Bin Laden

Should we be worried about the threat from organised terrorism or is it simply a phantom menace being used to stop society from falling apart?

more and links to the film:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3755686.stm

So if you prefer video and are interested in what the neocon is all about, check out part 1 at least. The film is good enough it was worth worth learning how to burn my first DVD.

Please feel free to add to this thread.

[AntiFascist]

1. Excellent material....

the other aspect of neoconservatism is world domination. The film "Hijacking Catastrophe" traces the history of the neoconservative movement and how it evolved into the current PNAC agenda.

Real media 17MB download is here:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1/hijacking_catastrophe.rm

The website is in my sigline.

[Sad4world]

2. NIghtmares

My take on the bloodshed of the world is basically:

The followers of Strauss' philosophies(western) vs the followers of Kotib's philosophies(eastern)

or put another way

The misguided Elite vs the misguided downtrodden

Greed and intolerance will be the downfall of the modern world.

[madmusic]

4. Would you agree...

They both have in common that the downtrodden, middle-class, the poor, anyone other than the elite, are too dumb and need led by the nose with shocking events to guide them?

ed sp

[madmusic]

3. Noble lies and perpetual war: Leo Strauss, the neo-cons, and Iraq

Are the ideas of the conservative political philosopher Leo Strauss a shaping influence on the Bush administration’s world outlook? Danny Postel interviews Shadia Drury – a leading scholarly critic of Strauss – and asks her about the connection between Plato’s dialogues, secrets and lies, and the United States-led war in Iraq.

By Danny Postel
10/18/03: (openDemocracy) What was initially an anti-war argument is now a matter of public record. It is widely recognised that the Bush administration was not honest about the reasons it gave for invading Iraq.

Paul Wolfowitz, the influential United States deputy secretary of defense, has acknowledged that the evidence used to justify the war was “murky” and now says that weapons of mass destruction weren’t the crucial issue anyway (see the book by Sheldon Rampton and John Stauber, Weapons of Mass Deception: the uses of propaganda in Bush’s war on Iraq (2003.)

By contrast, Shadia Drury, professor of political theory at the University of Regina in Saskatchewan, argues that the use of deception and manipulation in current US policy flow directly from the doctrines of the political philosopher Leo Strauss (1899-1973). His disciples include Paul Wolfowitz and other neo-conservatives who have driven much of the political agenda of the Bush administration.

more: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5010.htm