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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 03:45 PM
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My oldest kid wanted a MySpace account
I don't go in much for the "in" thing on the internet. I don't use eBay or MySpace, I have only bought on Amazon when I can't find what I need locally. When things get popular I tend to shy away from them. My oldest son who's 12, wanted to start a MySpace page since he's now in middle school. I wasn't sure I wanted to pass on my disdain for popular sites to him so I figured I check it out for myself, especially since I hear it's a great site for child predators. Well I didn't get far before I found an easy way to turn my kid off of MySpace.I found out who owns it. Can you guess? Rupert Murdoch and Fox? Yep!
http://www.nbr.co.nz/home/column_article.asp?id=12443&cid=8&cname=News

When my son gets home from school today all I have to do is tell him that Fox news owns MySpace and that will be the end of that. My kids are fully aware of whats going on and of who is who in the battle for America and when he finds out that that the George Bush promotional "news" outlet owns MySpace he'll never bring that place up again.

While I'm bragging on my kids I have to tell you guys this funny little anecdote. My 10 year old had to use a spelling word in a sentance last week. The word was Invaded. Well in a display of classic walldude liberal family values his sentance was this: "George Bush invaded Iraq for no reason. He should be fired". I was so proud! Then to top it off his horrible, evil public school teacher :eyes: gives him an "A" and lets him know the word is Impeached not fired. :rofl:
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 03:52 PM
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1. Very cool that you have politically savvy
and aware kids!! Good for you and them! I'm always happy to hear that someone WON'T be signing up for MySpace.

Admittedly, I have my bias against that site based on it being pedophile bait. :eyes: So I tend to try to stay out of MySpace discussions because of that--everyone's entitled to do their own thing, but it bothers me that young children hang out there.

Thanks for providing just one more reason why MySpace is inherently evil and should be avoided. ;) :hi:
Oh, and like you I tend to avoid anything trendy.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 04:13 PM
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6. Social networking is not inherently evil.
People can do evil with it but the evil is not inherent to the technology.

And, in realty, MySpace is bad for pedophiles because it's easier for police to set up stings to catch them online than to dress up as 12 year olds and wait for them at the park.

The Rupert Murdoch ownership is enough reason to avoid MySpace, but there are other social networks out there that he doesn't own.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 10:07 PM
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20. Hello Iris...
nice to see you. :hi:

I'm sorry, but I don't see anywhere in my post that stated (or implied) that social networking was inherently evil. I thought it was clear, based on what I said what aspects I personally find "evil."

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Justyce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 03:52 PM
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2. An even better word...
imprisoned! Your kid sounds like mine... she's already converted quite a few kids at school who thought they were repubs. :)
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 10:10 PM
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21. That's pretty cool, Justyce...
(I like your name, btw). :hi: I think you bring up a good point, too. A lot of the kids that post to internet boards seem to "think" they are one thing (i.e. republican). But when you really get them talking about "their" personal beliefs, and not their parents--often they tend to have a progressive belief system. Or at least this is what I've found.

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lies and propaganda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 04:02 PM
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3. i use my myspace for evil.
It by far, is one of the most political sites on the net. Fuck Murdoch, I will use his free service to tell him all day long that he and the like are all scumbag pos

but kudos to having kids with balls!
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 10:16 PM
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22. Good for YOU!
I wish more were using MySpace for YOUR kind of evil!

:yourock:

If I may ask, have you found many post or comment to your page on the site that share your beliefs? People wanting to sign on as "your friends" and such?

I ask because I've seen so many kids (oddly) with hate stuff on their myspace sites(i.e. swastika wallpaper, confederate flags, holding up signs with hate speech in photographs, etc.). :scared: It would be nice to hear that there are other progressives there to keep you company. I'd also like to think that the good outweighs the bad with the age group I saw doing this stuff.
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lies and propaganda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:45 PM
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31. youre going to crack up when you see my page...
Ill send you the link in a PM. That will definitely answer your question about are their like minded people amongst all the tools.
I know what youre talking about with the asshole kids. Right when i first got on myspace, there was an evil 16 yr old Bush nazi named American Chelsea, which we promptly countered with Anti American Chelsea.

too much time, i know. But i love it ;)
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 04:06 PM
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4. If I had a 12 year old, I would NOT want him on MySpace.
Even though it's said to be "family friendly," it's not.

Lot's of Porn Stars and Porn website girls have very graphic MySpace pages with lots of pictures and links to their sites. Plus, there are lots of "posers," men posing as "Hot Girls" using their MySPage pages to market their porn sites and web-cams.

It's a fun site for an Adult, but kids under 16 should not be allow as members.

Plus, 12 year olds should be out getting exercise, not sitting for hours in front of a computer. Sign him up for some sort of sports team, you'll be glad you did in a few years.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 06:27 PM
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16. All my kids have plenty of extra activities...
Edited on Mon Oct-02-06 06:27 PM by walldude
only one plays sports though. Having learned some pretty lame lessons from sports when I was a kid I don't push for sports. If they want to play fine, but sports is exclusionary. If you are a little smaller, a little weaker, or a little less coordinated then you are an outcast and you are treated like on. Plus with my one kid playing baseball I have seen what parents who are into children's sports are like. To be honest, and nothing personal here, there are lots of nice parents at sporting events, but there are many who are just a little too competitive and rabid for my taste. I've seen parents almost come to blows at children's sporting events. To me a child that enjoys music, art, theater and film is just as much a winner as a kid who can pitch a fastball. ;)


edited for speeling
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 01:15 AM
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28. Oh Pleeeeeeese! Give me a HUGH Break!
First, I don't have kids or a wife, so I'm not a Rabid Sport Parent.

Second, Not all sports are TEAM sports like Baseball, Football and or Basketball. Ever heard of the sports with Individual events? Like Track, Cross-country, Swimming?

All I meant was that Kids need exercise, a 12 year old should not spend his day in the house, surfing the internet or playing on an X-Box (or X-Box 360) or Play Station (1, 2 or 3).

I was never any good at Baseball either, and spent most of the years I was in Little League sitting on the bench and had a 0.00 batting average for all but the last year I played, but you know what? I still had fun. And just when I was beginning to hit the ball and get a little bit of game time, my parents stopped signing me up. It wasn't until years later that I asked my Mother why they stopped signing me up for Little League, and she said, because we didn't think you were having any fun. I told her, she should have asked, because I was still having fun.

Then in Jr. High School, I went to try out for Football, got the wind knocked out of me the first practice, and decided, for myself, that it wasn't for me. So then what? Did I quite?

No, I went out for the Track team, and I finished last in every race the first year, but did I quit?

No, because my coach told me what I needed to do to do better, which I did, but I still wasn't winning any races, but I wasn't finishing last anymore. Each year, I got a little better and had a great time.

Then in High School, I was the slowest guy out there again, but I put in the miles each Fall, Winter, and Spring, 60 miles a week. My Summers were spent hiking trails at Summer Camp.

Then the Summer before my Senior year, my schools Cross-Country coach stopped me on the street and asked me to join the Cross-Country team. I was still not the top member of the team, but after a few weeks, I was #3 on my team and I was very happy with that.

Then, after a brutal winter, running 75 to 80 miles a week, I was finishing in the top 3 in all of my 3200m races and most of my 1600m races. I even Won two 3200m races, but my best race was one that I finished 2nd. The guy had a better final 100m time, just like everyone else on my team.

But guess what, I had the 2nd best 3200m time in in all of my Sectional (most of Northern Indiana). The only guy who had a better time was the guy who beat me in my best race that year. So I got to represent my High School at the Sectional Track meet that year, and that was Great day for me, even though I didn't place in that race.

Finally, at the end of the year Sports banquet, my Track coaches awarded me the award for the guy with the best mental attitude and who maximized his natural ability. Even though I never set a single school record, I managed to push my ability to it's limit, and my coaches recognized that. I'm still proud of that award, even though I haven't though about that award in more than 20 years.

But you know what, my parents still had time to take me to some of the most famous Art and Science Museums in the U.S. and Europe, plus Broadway shows (on Broadway and in Atlanta) and I've been to dozens of Rock and classical music Concerts (after I was old enough to go without my parents). I even still remember the Bass part for Handel's Messiah, as I was in the School choir too.

So just because you were a total spaz when it came to sports, don't deny you child the opportunity to try a sport and possibly fail at that sport, because you had a lousy childhood. Your kids might fail at most of those sports, but that's normal. Their's usually only one start Quarterback on the Football team, but their are dozens of just average players on any and all teams, and I bet if you ask them, they are having fun too.

You claim the other parents are "...too competitive and rabid...," well to me, it sounds like you're the parent with the problem. I would much rather have had a parent who cared a little too much, rather than one who had already given up on me at age 12.

And really, do you actually want to your 12-16 year old kid watching the modern classic, mostly R-rated, films? I only saw one R-rated film before I was 17, but I found I've had plenty of time to see "the Classics" over the years.

Anyway, this has gone much longer than I planned, so to sum up, 1) Kids need exercise, and sports are a great way to get that exercise and 2) Allow your kid the opportunity to try and risk failure, you only get one childhood, don't try to re-live yours by living your kid's for them.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 10:31 PM
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26. Hi Up2Late...
I agree with you. :hi:

My husband and I have watched much of the coverage regarding Myspace. He said the exact same thing about not wanting our kid there (if we had one, lol).

While I realize it's "people" that make any situation negative or dangerous, I don't like that MySpace has never had any comment in regard to the situations that have occured around their site. Sorry, but that does bother me.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 04:12 PM
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5. 1. If we boycotted everything owned or operated
by someone we don't agree with, we'd never get much done.

2. MySpace is no more "evil" than any other site of its kind. The problems associated with it are in people using it without thinking, not in the site itself.

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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 04:14 PM
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7. ha! See my post above.
We can be unpopular here together!
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 04:22 PM
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9. Meh
I've been unpopular in better places than this. x(

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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 04:27 PM
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13. I like your attitude!
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 06:29 PM
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17. True, on the other hand I'm not "boycotting" the site.
I just don't play well with others... and the fact that Fox owns MySpace just gives me a good reason to tell my kid to join a different community.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 04:15 PM
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8. Hmmmmm.....
>his sentance was this: "George Bush invaded Iraq for no reason. He should be fired".

Isn't that two sentences?
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 04:24 PM
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10. Tell him to use buzznet, instead.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 04:26 PM
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11. My daughter and a few of her friends use that...
She really seems to like it.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 06:43 PM
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18. My daughter lives on buzznet.
She links to the site of her favorite band and exchanges messages with other fans. Typical buzznet message "So and so is sooooooooo hot!" I can moniter everything she's doing on there. I don't let her near MySpace. She's too young (13) and I don't like a lot of what I see on there. Good way to get into cyber-trouble.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 10:24 PM
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23. Do you know how long buzznet has been around?
This is the first I'm hearing of it. Just curious. I have friends that are parents that won't allow their kids on Myspace--but if you as a parent are saying buzznet is cool, I could suggest they check into that site.

Let me know your thoughts if you don't mind. :hi:
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 09:44 AM
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30. See post #29 right below....
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 09:40 AM
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29. It began a few years ago as a photo sharing/journal site and
has morphed into the online hang-out for the 12-15 set. My daughter's home page links to her favorite band's page. She started by uploading a bunch of pictures she took at a concert. Kids comment on each other's pictures and start discussion threads like "Which song of (a particular group) do you like best?"

The site is set up for easy navigation so that I can moniter what she's posting and the reponses she's getting. If I see something I don't like (only rarely) I can block that kid from further contact with her.

The administrators are pretty strict about what's allowed, and kids are told to let them know right away if someone is acting inappropriately. So far, so good.
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 04:26 PM
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12. I think 14 is the minimum age anyway. nt
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 06:12 PM
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15. I think 14 is still too young for MySpace, but Yes, that is right...
...14 is the minimum age that they allow, though I don't have a clue how anyone under 16 proves their age to a company or complete stranger.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 04:28 PM
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14. not that i have an issue with my kids and my space, they simply
Edited on Mon Oct-02-06 04:28 PM by seabeyond
wont be on the site. they trust me, and we work well together, hubby a comuter guy doesnt like the site at all, i dont like what i have seen.... that being said

i could always your reasoning if nothing else, would do it for my kids too.

good for you

and that is a funny story with your ten yr old. in such giggle and thrilled and lovin it all..... especially the teacher. all right
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 10:26 PM
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24. Hi seabeyond...
I'm curious, what does your husband have to say about myspace?

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 10:36 PM
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27. he says it is where the preditors gather.
Edited on Mon Oct-02-06 10:38 PM by seabeyond
a lot of crap and junk on it. kids put the most personal stuff on. he tries to block my niece on it. i tell him, she is 18, she gets to and he wont take off the block. i have seen just a very little and didnt like it. but he wont let it in the home for the kids because of the personal info and the preditors.

my own personal feel,.... too much. too much and kid can get fed, and they have to be good and experienced in handling a kid on this site, and just too much unhealthy stuff. if kid isnt in a good place, i can easily see them being manipulated.

the possibilities arent worth it to us.
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 06:44 PM
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19. I don't think you can really equate MySpace & Fox News...
with a straight face.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 10:29 PM
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25. Thank you for your values & your kids.
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