PHOTO: "FROM MY COLD . . .DEAD . . .HANDS!!!!!1111"

[Bluebear]

[Redstone]

1. Thank you. Good to know I'm not alone.

Redstone

[Bluebear]

4. Of course not. I don't want to take Bubba's hunting gun away...

I don't want to take Bubba's hunting gun away, that toothpaste is out of the tube. But why do Heston and company fight ANY restrictions, especially assault rifles that have no use except to kill people? Why can other countries have guns and not manage to repeat this carnage again and again?

[Redstone]

11. That would be my point EXACTLY, if I could actually TALK to the

Gun Worshippers.

And remember, the NRA are those nice folks who fought to make vest-piercing ammunition legal. As in ammunition that kills cops.

Redstone

[spoony]

24. Any hunting round from a rifle will pierce a ballistic vest

[susanna]

56. Any reference or cite for that? n/t

[spoony]

57. Yes.

From bulletproofme.com/quick_answers.shtml

"2. What about protection from RIFLES ?

The much higher velocity of rifle rounds requires HARD Body Armor Rifle Plates – Level III or Level IV Ballistic Steel, Ceramic or Polyethylene - usually ~10" by 12" (~25 by 30 cm.) and generally from 3 to 8 lbs (1.6 - 3.6 kg.) per plate to cover the Chest and / or Back (that's 6 to 16 lbs. Front & Back)

SOFT Body Armor vests only offer pistol, Fragmentation, and shotgun protection (birdshot and buckshot, but NOT shotgun slugs). Even doubling up TWO Level III-A soft vests would NOT stop a rifle bullet!"

All patrol officers that I'm aware of wear soft body armor because of the need for flexibility versus the risks they usually face. I've never known a non-SWAT type to wear the heavy rifle plates, especially not in front and back. And those only cover a small area over the heart.

[Xithras]

62. Actually, hunting rounds are MORE powerful generally.

The most popular round for hunting deer is still the 30-06 (7.62mm), because it has good range and enough weight to bring a deer down all at once. Smaller rounds generally just wound the deer, requiring the hunter to chase it through the forest until it bleeds to death...the larger 30-06 is an instant kill bullet and has been a standard in hunting for hore than a half century. The .30-06 is actually about 20% more powerful than the 223 (5.56mm) round used by the M-16 assault rifle, and is essentially the same round used in the AK-47. Both the AK-47 and M-16 are considered to be high velocity weapons and will pierce body armor with little difficulty.

[-..__...]

33. Bradyesque misinformation.

Actually, the NRA helped draft the current legislation that bans "cop killer" bullets.

The good folks at Brady/Handgun Control Inc/anti-gun zealots/etc, had originally proposed a bill that would have been a de facto ban on just about any type ammo available (including hunting and sporting ammunition). Their model would have used a performance based standard (any ammo capable of penetrating a bullet resistant vest), whereas the NRAs version (with assistance from the Justice Department and Treasury Department),defined armor piercing ammo based on materials and composition (steel core, beryllium, etc).

Furthermore, the AP ban only applies to ammunition for which can be used in any handgun.

For that reason, there are AP rifle calibers that are prohibited for possession by civilians (even though their FMJ counterparts can penetrate bullet resistant vests as well).

[Redstone]

39. Gonna stalk me a little more tonight, are you?

Redstone

[-..__...]

40. Are you off your meds or something?

Would you rather I go away and start my own thread praising the glory of guns?

I realize we disagree on this issue, and that this is the "Internets" where differing opinions can be expressed, and that when there's at least a half-dozen threads on the same subject material, paths are bound to cross...

But, stalking?

:crazy: :silly:

Man, and some people have to nerve to accuse gun owners of being paranoid.

I suppose you'll be checking under the bed and inside the closet before you go to sleep tonight?

[Redstone]

41. Well, when you follow someone from one thread to another...

Redstone

[-..__...]

Uhhh, no, dude...

Your imagination is running out of control if you believe that I'm "following you from one thread to another" (a simple search would bear that delusion out).

Why don't you check behind door number 3 as long as you're on a fishing expedition?

[Redstone]

44. No, thank you. Hey, look at that! A little person symbol with a red "X"

next to it...I think I'll click on that.

It'll save me reading your post where you froth at the mouth about me being a "chicken" for not responding to your ravings anymore.

Which, I am sure, will be your next post (you Gun Nuts are nothing if not predictable).

But I won't see it.

Have fun, anyway. Maybe you'll get a "hoo-ya" or two from your NRA pals.

Redstone

[-..__...]

45. Well, that was.....

interesting.

It's my own fault though.

If this conversation had taken place on a bus or street corner, I probaly would have tossed you some spare change just to settle you down or crossed the street to avoid you.

Next time, I'll know better.

Oh yeah... here's a quarter...

[Redstone]

47. Told you I wouldn't see it. Showed up as an entry in "my posts" but

not in the thread.

And no, I'm not going to "unignore" you to read it. You may as well give up now.

Redstone

[spoony]

49. A little weak

To make such brash and strong remarks about all this, all over the place, then refuse to reply to anyone who isn't slapping you on the back. For what it's worth, I'm still waiting for you to reply about hunting rounds and ballistic vests. Not that there's much you can say to the contrary, but whatever.

[spoony]

23. What's an assault rifle?

Versus a hunting rifle, in your opinion. What features make a rifle unacceptable? I'm curious, because views on this disagree.

[-..__...]

35. Hestons out of the picture.

But, FWIW, they don't fight "ANY" restriction. One of the most recent examples was their support of legislation that banned firearms that would not be detected by metal detecting security measures.

Quite frankly, why should they compromise when they have no reason to?

Why don't the anti-gun organizations and legislators make their own compromise?

Instead they introduce useless/feel good legislation both at the federal and state level...

Ballistic databases...

Micro stamping of ammunition and handguns...

50 BMG bans...

Gun show "loophole" legislation...

And yes, we must do something about all those evil "assault rifles" flooding the streets... the choice of criminals and terrorists.

:eyes:

[benEzra]

59. Assault rifles have been restricted for 72 years now...

Of course not. I don't want to take Bubba's hunting gun away, that toothpaste is out of the tube. But why do Heston and company fight ANY restrictions, especially assault rifles that have no use except to kill people? Why can other countries have guns and not manage to repeat this carnage again and again?

Assault rifles, like all automatic weapons, have been restricted for 72 years now...by the Title 2/Class III provisions of the National Firearms Act.

The gun issue isn't about hunting guns, FWIW. Only 1 in 5 gun owners is a hunter.

Dems and the Gun Issue - Now What?

[zanne]

67. This is an unusual thread. Bravo!

Usually, when I comment on gun control, the gun people all pile up on me and I get flamed to hell. Nice to see a thread where we can actually talk about guns in an open manner. It's about time.

[greatauntoftriplets]

9. You're far from alone....

Sometimes it is difficult to understand why people -- even progressives -- are so attached to their guns. My :loveya: and I agree to disagree on that one. But he grew up in a ranching environment, where rifles and shotguns were a fact of life. It's a world that is alien to the northern big-city me. Happily, he loves kids way too much to ever go in and shoot up a school. Or anyone, for that matter.

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. I am with you too Redstone

[bobbolink]

25. Joining the "not alone" line....

[Swede]

36. You're not alone Redstone.

All these posts comparing knives to guns are sickening.

[donco6]

55. Yes. I want to see the "drive by" knifing, myself. eom

[niyad]

2. how unutterably sad and chilling--you did amazing work!!

would it be possible to send this around?

[Bluebear]

5. Of course

[livetohike]

3. Today's Amish school shooting has me so sad, I can't bear it

Years ago, my husband and I worked on an Old Order Amish farm. The community welcomed us, although we were outsiders. They were the gentlest, peace loving people I have ever met.

This makes me sick :cry:

[wtmusic]

6. The school shootings states line up uncannily well

with the states whose reps voted for torture.

[stillcool]

13. what a coincidence!..

I keep thinking of a movie that Michael Moore had a bit in where he made the connotation between those parents working for weapons manufacturers and their childrens relationships with weapons. This country has no soul.

[Sydnie]

7. Damn ... that's good!

Kick and rec'd, my friend!

[DemoTex]

8. Thanks. Sadly .. thanks.

And sadly .. kick.

[karlrschneider]

42. Not sure what you mean here, Mac...?

The 'kicking', that is...it seems to me there are 2 interpretations of the OP - there have been too
many school shootings (obviously), or there is some kind of correlation geographically. I don't quite get it...
KS

[DemoTex]

46. Just that I am sick of it, Karl.

I think the map is fairly representative of population distribution, (more east of the Mississippi than west, although I had not considered that before). Plus the fact that I just got back from a week in Auburn, Alabama (for a short class), which has become much, much more JeebusLand than up here in Greenville, SC (home of Bob Jones U.).

Mac

[karlrschneider]

48. Roger...got it.

I'm sick of it too.

[greatauntoftriplets]

10. Recomended.

Great graphic.

[KG]

12. but, but, guns don't kill people....aw fuck it!, yes they dam well do!

and the slaughter continues.... :grr:

[proud2BlibKansan]

15. Guns don't die

People do.

[DemoTex]

17. Excellent meme.

K&R

[proud2BlibKansan]

37. A long time ago

I had that on a bumper sticker.

[central scrutinizer]

16. Look for an NRA rally in PA soon

They always follow the carnage with an in-your-face pro gun rally as close to the school as they can get.

[Bluebear]

18. Precisely what inspired my graphic.

Heston will be exhausted with all the school shootings he will have to follow this week.

[niyad]

21. you mean we can expect those bastards here in CO soon?

[bobbolink]

28. I wouldn't be at all surprised.

Yanno, kinda like that cult that follows military funerals.

Sooo very kind and ... yanno, sensitive and all...

:puke: (and I hate that emoticon, so that shows you what I *really* think of 'em!)

[SlavesandBulldozers]

19. damn look at that hairpiece in the lower right.

wow. he looks like the albino wolfman on fox news.

[Bluebear]

20. Oh I thought it was a coonskin cap!

:rofl:

[SlavesandBulldozers]

27. lol!

:toast:

[bobbolink]

22. Straight out of Bowling For Columbine.

Thank you. Great collage.

:cry:

[stepnw1f]

26. Everyone Should Have One... Guns are Fun and Cool

Be a mannnnn... and get a gun!

[Chichiri]

29. I, for one, accept Mr. Heston's terms.

And so, I think, does anyone who has ever seen "Earthquake."

[Bluebear]

32. Yeah what a tour de force that was!

And no Best Actor Oscar. Tsk.

[valerief]

30. He's dead? It's about time. Now we can take away the guns from

lunatics.

[bobbolink]

31. Sadly, there now needs to be two dots in CO.

:cry:

I'm in the area, and I can tell you, last Wednesday's shooting here has people just reeling.

I can only imagine what the Amish community is going through.

:cry: :cry: :cry:

[acmejack]

34. Good job on the graphics.

We really do need to get a bit of rationality into the discussion. Every day we are losing our children, it must be stopped. But Redstone is absolutely correct, we have to get past the vociferousness of the second amendment rights folks and conduct and reasoned discussion for the sake of our young.

[Chomp]

38. A list of recent school shootings worldwide:

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html




And yes, if you look close enough you can even find some that happened outside the US...

[karlrschneider]

43. I think Heston is (was?...is he still alive?) and LaPierre are nutbags

but I have to say I agree with that particular sentiment. I've owned guns for 56 years and nobody is
going to take them away from me without killing me. And don't anybody DARE accuse me of being a freeper, my liberal credentials are unassailable. This is NOT a conservative/liberal debate, and I wish we could just fucking GET that.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

50. first off. . i think we can all agree

that Heston is a douchebag.

We can also likely agree that the NRA is a republican organization. Can't we?

And in many ways, it is a conservative/liberal debate. One that we would be best off not having, because we've all read it before anyway. It doesn't need to be, i think if the argument were framed like what is good for NY'ers is not always good for Tennesseeans, and vice-versa - perhaps the argument could be bridged. But I've talked to idiots in Florida who vote Republican strictly because the libruls are coming for their guuuuuns. I swear I thought it was fiction, but its not.

[Rex]

51. CH is a moran, someone should have told him he was not

MOSES, just an actor who played Moses. He just plays a bit part, not really understanding the 2nd Amendment.

[Lindacooks]

52. Actually, they will be pried out of his cold, Alzheimer hands.

Have to give up your guns when you get that disease.

http://www.slate.com/id/2069253/

How poetically symmetrical.

[Imagevision]

53. I use to use an AK-47 for hunting, gettin me an RPG, yep!!

[benEzra]

60. I hope you have a BATFE Form 4...

since possession of either of those without going through the special BATFE approval process is a 10-year Federal felony... :eyes:

My non-automatic civilian AK lookalike would be legal for deer hunting, though, if a bit underpowered. It's only half as powerful as a .30-06 deer rifle...


http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/index.php?act=module&module=gallery&cmd=si&img=268

[Cleita]

54. Fantastic montage, Bluebear.

:thumbsup:

[Xenotime]

58. It's only a matter of time before we get these things off the streets..

They serve no purpose other than to kill.

[benEzra]

61. What things? Guns?

It's only a matter of time before we get these things off the streets. They serve no purpose other than to kill.

What things? Guns?

Considering that between a quarter and a third of Dems and indies choose to own guns, as do roughly 40% of households nationwide, that's not going to happen.

Merely raising the price on over-10-round handgun magazines, and requiring that civilian target rifles with protruding handgrips be sold with fake adjustable-length stocks instead of real ones, and pin-on brakes instead of screw-on brakes, cost Dems the House, the Senate, and two presidencies. Care to speculate on the political cost of an outright gun ban?

It's crap like that that helps perpetuate the "Dems'll take yer guns" meme...

[krispifried]

64. Thanks

Damn right.

[Name removed]

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[Bluebear]

66. Note: this was made the very afternoon of the Amish shootings

It was made in agony and I apologize for starting a pro vs con gun debacle when the memories of the little girls are all that matters. I am asking the mods to lock this.

[aikoaiko]

68. Thanks for locking it up.

[maddezmom]

69. locking

at the request of the OP.