If you're not pro-choice, you're pro-coat hanger.

[Zenlitened]

                 

[MercutioATC]

1. That'd make one hell of a bumper sticker.

[Zenlitened]

12. Can you imagine the violent reactions it would inspire, though?

I mean, right-wingers don't usually do well when confronted with blunt truths.

[Sam0724]

16. Maybe it will be close the outrage I feel when I see...

"xxx is PRO-ABORTION".

bull. fucking. shit.

No one is pro-abortion. It's a choice. A choice made with thought and emotion and feelings and real scary circumstances. No one WANTS to have or push abortions. And the choices are largely driven by economic and emotional hardships. Shit that these people don't have or comprehend.

What a different world we'd have if the gender capable of becoming reproduction vehicle were the primary decision makers in government or if the voices of those without means were better heard.

[proud2BlibKansan]

24. Maybe they would be as outraged as I am when I see that damn

abortion truck they bring out for all the big events. The one with the 10 foot tall pictures of dead fetuses on the sides. :grr:

[Tace]

25. Ha Ha Ha! Yeah, Like Scanner Heads Exploding!!

I hate getting those brains splattered all over the place.

[d_b]

28. Hell yea it would.

'You're not pro-life. You're pro coat-hanger.' I think that would get under their skin even more =p

[CoinOperatedSquirrel]

2. A little cartoon from KRT Campus to help visualize

http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/watermark?doc=KRT%2Fkrtceditorialcartoons%2Fdocs%2F002%2F184&logo=krtcampus

[MountainLaurel]

5. That is incredible

I think I've found my new desktop graphic for work!

[newyawker99]

48. Hi CoinOperatedSquirrel!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[BanzaiBonnie]

3. Excellent

That would get someone's attention.


"Pro coat hanger" should be substituted for pro-life at every opportunity. Use it. It clarifies the message in one brief bite.

Make it a meme. No one will forget it. It paints a picture of what abortions used to be and gives it an anchor.

If you're not pro-choice, you're pro-coat hanger

[China_cat]

4. Mary, Mary, quite contrary

here's a garden to grow
if the assholes win
and we lose Roe.

First number is edibility, second number refers to how well it works. Scale is 1 to 5 (edited to apologize for the loss of formatting. I tried, really)

Achyranthes japonica Japanese Chaff Flower Abortifacient 0 3
Acorus calamus Sweet Flag Abortifacient 3 4
Alnus viridis crispa American Green Alder Abortifacient 1 2
Aristolochia clematitis Birthwort Abortifacient 0 2
Aristolochia rotunda Snakeroot Abortifacient 0 2
Artemisia campestris Field Southernwood Abortifacient 0 2
Arum dioscoridis Abortifacient 2 1
Belamcanda chinensis Leopard Lily Abortifacient 1 3
Betula occidentalis Water Birch Abortifacient 3 2
Buddleia asiatica Bai Bei Feng Abortifacient 1 1
Celastrus dependens Abortifacient 1 2
Crocus sativus Saffron Abortifacient 3 3
Daphne genkwa Lilac Daphne Abortifacient 0 3
Daphne laureola Spurge Laurel Abortifacient 0 1
Dianthus superbus Fringed Pink Abortifacient 2 3
Dictamnus albus Burning Bush Abortifacient 2 3
Ecballium elaterium Squirting Cucumber Abortifacient 0 2
Euphorbia lathyris Caper Spurge Abortifacient 1 2
Fraxinus floribunda Himalayan Ash Abortifacient 2 2
Garrya elliptica Coast Silk Tassel Abortifacient 0 2
Gleditsia koraiensis Korean Honey Locust Abortifacient 2 2
Hedeoma pulegioides American Pennyroyal Abortifacient 3 3
Hibiscus diversifolius Swamp Hibiscus Abortifacient 2 1
Hordeum vulgare Barley Abortifacient 4 3
Ilex cornuta Horned Holly Abortifacient 1 2
Juniperus sabina Savine Abortifacient 0 2
Juniperus silicicola Southern Redcedar Abortifacient 2 2
Juniperus virginiana Pencil Cedar Abortifacient 2 2
Laurus nobilis Bay Tree Abortifacient 3 3
Lavandula latifolia Spike Lavender Abortifacient 2 2
Malus coronaria Garland Crab Abortifacient 3 1
Mentha australis Abortifacient 0 2
Mentha satureioides Native Pennyroyal Abortifacient 2 2
Mentha x piperita vulgaris Black Peppermint Abortifacient 4 5
Myrica gale Bog Myrtle Abortifacient 2 2
Packera aurea Golden Groundsel Abortifacient 0 2
Peganum harmala Syrian Rue Abortifacient 1 3
Persea borbonia Red Bay Abortifacient 1 2
Phoradendron leucarpum False Mistletoe Abortifacient 0 1
Phytolacca esculenta Abortifacient 2 2
Polygala senega Senega Snake Root Abortifacient 0 3
Rubia peregrina Wild Madder Abortifacient 0 1
Rubus moluccanus Ceylon Blackberry Abortifacient 1 1
Ruta chalepensis Egyptian Rue Abortifacient 1 1
Ruta graveolens Rue Abortifacient 1 3
Sambucus callicarpa Red Coast Elder Abortifacient 3 2
Sanicula canadensis Black Snakeroot Abortifacient 0 1
Sophora japonica Japanese Pagoda Tree Abortifacient 2 3
Sparganium stoloniferum Abortifacient 1 1
Taxus canadensis Canadian Yew Abortifacient 3 4
Thuja plicata Western Red Cedar Abortifacient 1 2
Tribulus terrestris Caltrop Abortifacient 1 3
Trichosanthes cucumerina anguina Snake Gourd Abortifacient 2 1
Trichosanthes kirilowii Chinese Cucumber Abortifacient 2 3
Viburnum prunifolium Stagberry Abortifacient 2 3
Withania somnifera Ashwagandha Abortifacient 1 3

[trotsky]

14. Unfortunately,

if one of these causes uncontrolled bleeding or other complications, you'll either have to go to the hospital or die, and if you go to the hospital, you will probably be tested for any abortifacients and upon their detection, be charged with "murder."

Only the rich will get safe abortions, either by having a secret network of doctors, or taking a "weekend shopping trip" to Canada or Europe.

[China_cat]

37. The thing is that there are many of these ingredients

in legally sold, over the counter, 'safe' herbal supplements. Black cohosh, for instance, is being touted as good for women. (It softens the cervix and makes retaining a pregnancy unlikely...used before pitocin to help speed labor) Pennyroyal is being sold as a flea relief for animals in a strength that is 5 times what's necessary to cause an abortion. (And this doesn't need to be ingested, it can be absorbed through the skin) Barley is a common breakfast cereal.

With health care being denied more and more people, we're going back to using the herbals of our grandmothers and great-grandmothers only without the full understanding of what these herbs are and do. So a plea of 'how was I supposed to know that eating barley would cause me to miscarry?' would have to carry a lot of weight.

[trotsky]

38. Sure, they're legally sold and "safe" now.

Look at the Republican-controlled FDA and their success in stopping the "morning after pill," which has also been shown to be safe.

I'm just not convinced that they wouldn't continue that crusade. Cripes, when that Hutchinson moron was in charge of drug policy, he wanted products made with hemp oil banned.

[China_cat]

39. You can't (effectively) ban what you can pick out of the woods.

And, unless you are super familiar with plants, I defy you to tell black peppermint from regular.

I grew up in a time when abortion was illegal. Besides the one doctor in town who specialized in 'female troubles', we knew what to look for on long walks in the woods.

[trotsky]

41. But my point is, they'll try.

I also have to wonder if a culture will be created in which ANY miscarriage is treated as a potential crime needing investigation, where a woman will have to prove her innocence.

And finally, to my knowledge, none of these natural herbs will always, everytime, be 100% effective. Surgical abortion needs to remain an option. Herbs are no substitute.

[China_cat]

45. I guess you haven't been reading the news

It's already been tried to make it a crime for a woman not to report an untended miscarriage within 12 hours, 24 with a doctor.

http://kiosan.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2005/1/8/234716.html

[trotsky]

46. So my point is proven.

They've already tried, and it will only get worse.

[AllegroRondo]

43. Wow, I have some of those in my yard right now.

[seabeyond]

6. that is good. geez. cant wait to see first person when i say that

so you are pro coat hanger. powerful. will let all know what happens when i say that

[Zenlitened]

8. You might want to wear a full-body condom...

... to avoid the goo when their head explodes.

[ourbluenation]

7. you nailed it. I love it. I am passing along. K and R...eom

[Zenlitened]

11. Thanks.

:hi:

[RB TexLa]

9. Roe v. Henry Wade covers much more than abortion

Same post I made to another thread but it's the truth.



It's our right to control and regulate our bodies, male and female.

The slippery slope if it is removed is very scary, could my fiancee claim a right to have my children and I be forced to provide her the means? If I am in a coma could she claim this right and medically remove the "means" from me without any consent? Could she claim a right to know any and all medical conditions I have? Would a judge force me or force my health care provider to tell her? If I am planning to have a surgery with out Roe v. Henry Wade would the hospital or doctor simply notify her without my consent or without my knowledge?

One very simple thing when I pay cash for a doctor's service and they give me that big form to fill out, I simply write my name, my blood type, and that I have no known drug allergies. Those are the only things they need or have a right to know. Without Roe v. Henry Wade would they then be able to refuse to treat me unless I give them my entire medical history and or anything else they feel they want to know?

[jonnyblitz]

10. ha...good one!

:thumbsup: :hi:

[loudsue]

13. Holy Moly!!! That's the best one-liner we've had on our side in over

a generation!!

:applause::woohoo::bounce::rofl::hi:


:kick::kick::kick::kick:

[trotsky]

15. Concise and 100% accurate.

Nice work, Zenlightened. :thumbsup:

[Sam0724]

17. I don't have enough posts to recommend this.

But I tried.

[Zenlitened]

18. Well, the thought is very much appreciated.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[bonito]

20. Got you covered.

[Gregorian]

19. That's really the way I see it too.

That's almost how I put it to someone today.

I might also add that unless it's a woman making the statement, what right do they have to even enter the discussion. How can men talk about abortion?

Women will always get abortions. As though they won't? They will. And there's a practical level of this discussion that goes beyond any theory. It goes beyond whether one thinks it's right to do or not. Not only do we risk the life of the mother, but the child who is born into a world that doesn't want him is a life not worth living.


Just how valuable is life? This so-called life valuing republican party has killed more people in the last five years than any amount of abortion will ever cause.

Let the women decide.

[RandomKoolzip]

21. Bam! That's the meme.

Good one. :thumbsup:

[Canuckistanian]

22. Safe, legal.. and rare

Why can't they get that?

[omega minimo]

23. That's just vile

:thumbsdown:

[me b zola]

29. Anti-choice is vile

I have never had, nor do I think that I could ever have an abortion. But to take away that right from me--from my two grand-daughters--is to deny us our full rights as citizens. We are not chattle and I demand that we are not treated as such.

My mother, a good Catholic, was against abortion until I became pregant in high school. It was then that she told me that although she did not believe in abortion I was going to have one---I did not. My MIL is a fundie-lite, but is strongly pro-choice--go figure.

The point is that this is a private matter for women to make, and it is about their full citizenship rights. I may not have an abortion, but I'll be damned if I'll ever tell another women what she should do.


ANTI-CHOICE IS VILE!!!!!!!!!

[Greyhound]

30. Hell yes. The government has no business in this issue at all. n/t

[omega minimo]

32. Yet no one disagrees that "Pro-coat hanger" is vile

IMHO there are other ways to send a message.

Here is some great language and ideas on the subject. Thanks for sharing your story.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=229x3641

[Stockholm]

35. I agree

The result of anti-choice is vile.

[omega minimo]

53. See if you choose to use vulgar, violent in-yer-face slogans

you don't have the benefit of the double entendre (as in your tricky post) :evilgrin:

Entirely up to you

It's still vile

[MaggieSwanson]

26. Indeed. w is for wire...

[BrightKnight]

27. Those should be hung everywhere.

It might paint it red. It's horrible but I guess that is the point.

[Fleshdancer]

44. Holy Crap! That graphic is priceless

I'm stealing it!

[NMMNG]

31. That needs to be on bumper stickers everywhere!

K&R!

[DanCa]

33. Imagine if a thousand people protested the RR while wearring that shirt?

Really if we want to be rid of them we have to become more vocal and actice. How do you stop a bully? You pop his nose really hard once and he'd go away.

[colinmom71]

34. No. If you're not pro-choice, then you're pro-femicide...

A radio special on the pre-Roe days....

http://www.albany.edu/history/FromTheBackAlleys.html

[Kablooie]

36. Jesus was pro-coat hanger so why shouldn't I be?

[lukasahero]

40. He was? Can you direct me to where you got that info? eom

[Kablooie]

50. All the Evangel Christians are for coathangers so Jesus must have been too

[calmblueocean]

42. This is just as bad as the people who drive the truck around...

... with giant photos of aborted fetuses on it. Grossing someone out is not an argument.

[Zambero]

47. This could be a budget line item.

Open up federal clothes hanger distribution centers in the same buildings where safe abortion clinics were once located but have been shut down. Pass out abstinance-only literature at these sites, with an admonition that complimentary clothes hangers and their graphically depicted "associated health risks" are what's in store for those who might "backslide" and encounter an unwanted pregnancy. The "customers" will then recoil in fear, carry the fetus to term, then sink deeper into poverty with no prospects of raising a child, paying child care costs, and earning a living wage job at the same time. One more social problem most cleverly solved by caring conservatives.

[pat_k]

49. We are all pro-life, we just think jailing frightened women and their. . .

. . .doctors is not a viable solution.

The short version:

Everybody is pro-life. The difference is, Democrats don't want to put frightened women and their doctors in jail.

Long version:

We are all pro-life. The difference is, Democrats don't think that frightened women and their doctors should be thrown in jail. Democrats believe women should never have to face such desperate circumstances -- no health care, poverty wages – that the only option they see is ending a pregnancy.

Democrats are fighting to guarantee access to health care for every single American. Democrats are fighting to guarantee a living wage for every American worker. Democrats are fighting to make it possible for families to have confidence they will be able to give their children, and their children’s children, the life they deserve. Democrats are fighting to give women more options, so they can be assured that when they bare a child, that child will be loved, protected, and provided for, even if they are unable to do so themselves.

Democrats are committed to true individual freedom, which cannot exist without freedom from fear of economic hardship. Democrats know that a vigorous private sector cannot exist if work is not valued. Democrats know that economic security requires access to quality education and medical care. Democrats know how critical those first months are in the life of a child; they know paid family leave benefits all of us. Democrats know that private industry can only flourish and create prosperity for all when the power of the people to protect their interests is embodied in strong public institutions.

We are all pro-life. The difference is that some of those who call themselves pro-life think throwing frightened women in jail is the solution. The threat of jail did not work before 1967. Democrats know we can do better than that.

Key Points
Never use the word abortion. It is too loaded. Figure out, and practice using, alternate words and phrases.

Never concede that the Democratic position is NOT pro-life. Assert the fact that the position is pro-life – and assert it with confidence. Point out the difference and use simple words. Instead of saying something like “Democrats don’t want to criminalize abortion”, say “Democrats don't want to put frightened women and their doctors in jail.” Examine your talking points. Are there “dry” statements that can be modified to create an image or evoke an emotional context?

[Midlodemocrat]

52. I disagree. WE are pro-life

The RW is pro-fetus. Once that baby is born, they could give a rat's ass.

[pat_k]

54. Perhaps you misread my post? My point is that everybody is pro-life. n/t

[Midlodemocrat]

55. No, I didn't misread your post.

My point was that the RW is only pro-fetus. Once the baby is born they couldn't care less about its well being, as evidenced by the Katrina response and the war in Iraq. As well as their position on the death penalty. They aren't pro-life. We are.

[pat_k]

56. Agree! nt

[Dr Fate]

51. If you are not pro-filibuster, you are pro coat-hanger. n/t

n/t

[Mushroom]

57. Choice!

CHOICE isn't just for Pro-lifers!