Gay hating gay republicans NEED to be outed

[Philosoraptor]

In my opinion. I've been saying this for years, what the hell kind of a creature IS a gay hating gay republican? They are gay, they are republican, they are closeted, they make anti gay legislation all the time, they bad mouth gays in public, fight gay marriage, and pander to the gay hating homophobic Christian conservative base, I say expose them and hold them to the hypocrisy test.

Republicans have set the gay hating standard, and they drone on all day about that awful Barney Frank, I say out these jerks finally and remove their gay hating power they've wielded mercilessly for decades.

Fuck em, out em', and forget em'.

[Caution]

1. privacy is privacy. While I may think they are idiots I respect their

right to privacy. I just wish they respected mine as well.

[Philosoraptor]

2. right, they don't respect yours

did they respect Bill Clinton's right to privacy, or Barney Frank's?

[William769]

3. Very well said.

[beyurslf]

4. I dont respect their right to privacy. When they seize power by calling

on people's hatred of gays, they deserve to be outed. We lose because we play by some unwritten rule of "nice." I am sick of being nice while they punch us in the face.

[magellan]

13. Agree

These people choose to take public office. If they want to force morals on values on others, they damn well better be practicing them themselves.

If Clinton's bj was fair game because it relates to the RW bogeyman of "loose morals", then the RW should be held to their own standards regarding gays.

[Philosoraptor]

16. held to their own standards

exactly, and now foley will get a taste of exactly that

[pampango]

31. Not Amish, are you? Neither am I, but I am better than

those people who out gays and you can't convince me otherwise. I know the sayings: "kill to stop the killing", attack to stop the attacks, out to stop the outing, etc.

People have a right to privacy. They don't lose that right when they don't respect other people's privacy or when they do other things in politics that I don't agree with.

[Philosoraptor]

35. atheist

if you're in a concentration camp for one reason or another and you discover one of your fellow inmates is ratting you all out to your oppressors and getting fellow inmates killed and profitng from it, you deal with him.

[pampango]

47. Man, you atheists are tough.

While I would probably act as you would in your concentration camp scenario, I am not sure that it leads us in the direction of a sound electoral strategy or even as a way to deal with our fellow human beings on a day-to-day basis.

[LiberalArkie]

5. They will never do that because they always have to be

straighter than straights. They will kill a gay guy to prove they are straight to the other straights. They are someone to be feared.

[Philosoraptor]

6. on cspan a repub called Democrats gay bashers for picking on foley

I laughed one bitter ha.

[JackBeck]

7. If I had seen that, I think my head would finally have exploded. n/t

[magellan]

25. The Right aren't clever enough to understand irony

And even if this were a simple matter of Foley being gay then the GOP would STILL have to explain why they covered up for him for years instead of upholding their standards and kicking him out of the party. Because according to Joe Scarborough, who's a longtime friend of Foley's, you only had to look at Foley to know he was gay.

:rofl:

[Cha]

29. Jon Stewart said it well.

This is from another DUers summary..

"Republicans confuse Foley's behavior with teenage boys with his being gay and then wonder why they are accused of gay bashing."

That c-spin must not have known that the repubs are the ones who reported it..or just willfully as dumb as a rock.

[TechBear_Seattle]

18. When you chose to live in the public light...

Your right to privacy is diminished. That is long established legal precedent. And while I do not approve of outing in general, I believe there is a fundamental public interest in requiring lawmakers to be open and honest about their lives. If they are gay, great, I have no problem with that. If they are closeted, they are vulnerable to blackmail and other situations that undermine representative democracy.

If you can not be an openly gay lawmaker, then either move to and represent a constiuency where you can be an openly gay lawmaker, or don't go into politics at all.

[tenshi816]

23. It's not just a privacy issue,

it's when gays support legislation that will deny civil rights to...gays. That's just plain wrong and it's hard to have sympathy for anyone who would do that.

[Hubert Flottz]

8. I agree...

Fight fire with fire!

[MiniMe]

9. The scandal now has nothing to do with being gay

It has to do with child predation. Granted, they are hypocrits, no question about that. But lets not turn the current case into something else that it has nothing to do with.

[Philosoraptor]

11. I heard it said that repubs are the ones who want them outed

can't show a link, a talking head suggested it. They started this shit with the decades of gay bashing, I'm not trying to turn anything into anything, I'm just sayin' this shit is going on.

[Freddie Stubbs]

10. Do you have anyone in particular in mind?

Foley was the only closeted Republican in Congress that I knew of.

[Philosoraptor]

12. well, I'm not one to indulge in salacious gossip

but I heard things about a few of them, david drier, ken mehlman, lindsay graham, gary bauer, but I can't verify such wild speculation and cruel innuendo.

[bigscott]

17. this goes back YEARS

to when Reagan was president - even then there were closeted republicans that many in the gay community favored outing as they actively opposed any action on the early AIDS epidemic. Read "And the Band Played On" by randy Shilts - amazing how some things never change

[Philosoraptor]

19. roy cohn

[Freddie Stubbs]

40. I believe that Cohn was a Democrat

[JackBeck]

41. More like a DINO

Who only supported Republican candidates...in New York...sounds more like a Lieberman Democrat, than a true Democrat.

[Freddie Stubbs]

39. If anyone can provide some proof, now

would be a great time to send it to the press.

[Avalux]

14. They are gay but have to hide it from their base.

The Republicans are phonies; of course there are gay elected officials with R's after their names - but it has to be kept secret or else their core supporters will lose their minds. So you have great efforts on the Hill to keep things hush hush. When it comes to voting, they will not support gay rights because they won't be re-elected by the fundies, and they have to spout the "gays are the scourge of God" crap.

I predict other gay Republicans will be "found out", and it will be the destruction of their party. They've been playing a dangerous game and the fundies who have supported them are really pissed.

[JackBeck]

15. I've got your back.

I agree and have felt the same way for quite some time. Private citizens, leave them alone. I've never believed in outing people I know. Let them come out on their own. But when you are in a position of such high power, claiming to be the moral compass, while in turn, voting to keep gay families from even forming, then I say, "Fuck You, you hypocrite." What I never get is how Christian conservatives think that they don't already know a gay person, or have gay family members. I think of my husband's family when he finally came out. Are you that delusional that you think I've been his roommate for all these years??

[Ex Lion Tamer]

20. Agreed.

I look at it as "outing" the hypocrisy.

[Philosoraptor]

21. they QUALIFY to be outed, no one else needs to be

[last1standing]

22. I look at outing gay bashing repubs as self defense.

These people are doing everything they can to hurt gay people. Their actions kept being homosexual illegal in most states for years. They're still blocking marriage and non-discrimination laws that affect a gay person's ability to provide for him/herself and his/her family. I don't support outing even the most vile closet case, so long as they're not actively trying to harm gay people. With repubs in political office, however, I think it's fair game.

[Philosoraptor]

24. and I'll NEVER understand the log cabin folks

chickens for colonel sanders, lobsters for red lobster.

[Cha]

30. Cows for mcdonald's..

pigs for Fatty's BBQ.

[last1standing]

42. Money equals privilege.

Log Cabin repubs don't care about rights because they have the money to afford privilege. For them being gay is easy as they have the money to be secure in their lives. Sadly, most people gay and straight, don't have that luxury.

When it all boils down, it's all about the money.

Edited for spelling.

[novalib]

26. BRAVO!!!!!

Out every one of the two-faced, lying bastards!!!!!

Make every one of them show themselves for what they REALLY are -- self-loathing, guilt-ridden, stinking pieces of slime.

[Neshanic]

27. If this is not the time to expose all repub gays in office and their

enablers, then don't ever do it at all.

Sit there and bitch about personal rights, the right thing to do, what a Christain would do, why we should not sink to that(imaginary)level, and generally whine, while the Foley's, the Fordhams and all their inner circle of republican pals give being gay the death of a thousand pins.

It's time to clean house so to speak.

What is worse? A public that identifies all gays as backstabbing, seceretive pedophiles, that vote against the very thing they are; or a public that is informed after the cleaning that, indeed, just as the Foley case was covered up for republicans to stay in power, republican gays will also sell out their very soul to stay in power, along with their gay staff, and circle of gay republican friends.

It's about truth, not about your neighbor who happly lives with his roommate...wink, wink, and all the neighbors know. This is about people who make laws, make policy, and make decisions that affect the very everyday lives of gays. Keep it a secret? Keep a tight knit circle of sell outs and expolitationers secret? How can this question of if we should do it even be asked with a straight face, no pun intended.

Until republicans start telling people that they are gay, then the secrets will just keep on comming, and the nasty little things that are abberrations, like gay republicans will have their enablers and pals, from freaks like Hastert to the Palm Beach society paramour that seats the worst kept secret couple at separate tables.

It's time the gay republicans sat at the same table.

[Cha]

28. They're traitors..they're little

infiltrating traitors. Greed comes first.

[Ganja Ninja]

32. Absolutely!

People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[Cha]

33. Check this out...mark foley is

buzzflash's "Hypocrite of the Week"..

"It almost seems redundant to name Mark Foley the BuzzFlash GOP Hypocrite of the Week, but posterity demands it of us.

Foley isn't just one of your typical gay Republican hypocrites who supports a president and party with an anti-gay agenda. Those guys are a dime a dozen.

No, Foley outdid the run of the mill GOP sexual hypocrite -- gay or heterosexual.

The guy is finally bounced for talking dirty and apparently trying to seduce teenage House "pages" on the Internet. That might be a federal crime. And if it is a crime, it is because Foley sponsored and championed the bill that made Internet stalking of young people for sexual purposes subject to prosecution."

More..
http://www.gophypocrites.com/2006/10/hyp06040.html

[LeftCoast]

34. No one should be outed

But, if a person is harming the gay community through actions (hateful legislation for example) or words (using us as a campaign punching bag), then I feel the gay community no longer is obligated to help keep their secret. There is a fairly big difference though, between calling someone a homosexual simply because they are hateful against gays and lesbians and the community no longer keeping secret knowledge of their hypocrisy. I hope people can see the diff.

[Philosoraptor]

36. Barney Frank broke that mold, why don't they all follow through?

Many would probably survive politically, depending on how they handled it. I bet they threaten each other all the time for secrets they all know about each other, but they could simply say, "yes, I am a gay republican and I will represent you".

Only problem is these jerks have convinced their own voting base that all homosexuals are deviants and scumbags.

[LeftCoast]

38. Coming out is a personal decision

But again, closeted individuals are usually only closeted from the straight community. The gay community has a long history of protecting each other, part of that is to maintain the secret. However, if a politician uses us as a cause to run against that's just gay bashing and I feel the community has no more obligation to help them hide. I want to stress the difference though, between not keeping the secret and simply calling a hateful republican a 'homosexual'.

[mondo joe]

44. Being in politics makes your decisions subject to public scrutiny.

The role of the press isn't to be complicit in keeping secrets, but to inform the electorate.

[LeftCoast]

46. The gay community isn't "The Press"

:shrug:

[mondo joe]

48. There are people who are both gay and the press.

Furthermore, if individual gays opt to inform the press, isn't it the obligation of the press to follow up?

[LeftCoast]

51. Depends on the circumstances

As I've said, if they haven't attacked the gay community there's no issue.

[Neshanic]

37. They will never know the difference, until shown what it is.

[mondo joe]

43. That's a double standard, and I can't support it.

All manner of what would normally be considered private is fair game once you place yourself in the public eye.

I don't believe the press should be complicit in keeping secrets about candidates or their campaigns.

[LeftCoast]

45. Where's the double standard?

:shrug:

[mondo joe]

49. The double standard is that being gay is a special sort of secret

that others are obliged to keep.

[LeftCoast]

50. That secret can be a life or death matter

You going to out every gay person? Or just the ones you don't like?

[mondo joe]

52. Then people should carefully consider going into public life

with a big sescret they want to keep.

[LeftCoast]

53. And what about those we just accuse?

Do you feel it's ok to just slap the 'gay' label on anyone?

[mondo joe]

54. That's a silly question. I believe in accuracy.

And I certainly believe the press should be accurate.

[pampango]

55. Sometimes I long for the good ol' days,

when people didn't know that FDR used a wheelchair and that JFK had affairs. You are right that the political reality now is that people with great ideas and a desire to serve have to be very careful about running for public office. Your ideas are probably not what the resulting campaign will be about. Rather your sexual preferences and what you said 30 years ago are going to be the determining factors on whether you get elected or not. Discussion of issues is frowned upon in today's politics.

[Philosoraptor]

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[Philosoraptor]

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[Philosoraptor]

58. one last kold kick

[Lilith Velkor]

59. As a straight woman from DC, Hell yes!

We deal with enough bullshit as it is without gay-hating gay assholes pretending to be straight and resenting us for it.