Identity of one of Mark Foley IM buddy found

[commissure]

I hate to link to this crap but I think we should just be informed. Someone at the Passionate America web page plus Ms. Underestimated found out the identity of one of the kids Foley was IMing through a slip up at ABC News. I think Drudge has already linked to it and is now claiming that the kid was 18 at the time. I can't believe they went and dug up the kids name.

http://passionateamerica.blogspot.com/

[uppityperson]

1. Thanks but dupe from yesterday even.

It is appalling and hope that blogger gets in legal trouble.

[Kagemusha]

2. Um, how is that possible that he'd get in trouble?

This is, sadly, very much the kind of speech that the 1st Amendment protects. The Founders tilted towards more disclosure, not less, even if it'd be messy. Because life's messy.

[uppityperson]

6. releasing information about a victim of a crime, esp if minor

ongoing investigation and all (been waiting to use that phrase)

[Kagemusha]

13. What investigation.

And gag orders need to come from judges.

[uppityperson]

15. I do not think it is legal to release names of minors in possible crime

cases. Will be announcing an investigation by "Louie Freeh - former head of FBI, a confirmed nut case and a member of Opus Dei" is the rumor. There is an investigation into what is going on, what has gone on. And it think it is illegal to release names, esp if under 18. May be wrong, but I think so.

[Kagemusha]

16. You're serious? In a possible crime where no gag order exists?

Guess you learn something new everyday...

[uppityperson]

17. minor. What about releasing names of minors who were raped?

I know, this young person, IF a minor, was sexually seduced, which is a crime that is a bit different, but still, I thought it was illegal. I've been wrong before, but thought it was.

[uppityperson]

21. quick google search got me this.

NH says this, not sure federal or otherwise (NH was first to come up, think WA where I live has similar). Looks like applies to media, not sure if bloggers apply.
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:BPUl0y5SLmkJ:dept.fvtc.edu/ojjdp/nh.pdf+release+name+of+minor+crime&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&client=firefox-a

169-B:37. Publication of Delinquency Restricted
I. It shall be unlawful for any newspaper to publish, or any radio or television station to
broadcast or make public the name or address or any other particular information serving to
identify any juvenile arrested, without the express permission of the court; and it shall be
unlawful for any newspaper to publish, or any radio or television station to make public, any of
the proceedings of any juvenile court. Nothing in this section or RSA 169-B:35 and RSA 169-
B:36 shall be construed to prevent publication without using the name of the delinquent of
information which shall be furnished by the court about the disposition of a case when the
delinquent act would constitute a felony if it were the act of an adult.

Confidentiality is the term.

[Kagemusha]

27. Since when was the page arrested or tried in juvenile court!?

Think back to the abortion doctor list case where people on the list were being killed. This blogger won't get nailed. No way.

[uppityperson]

29. the page is the victim. Page was VICTIM, possibly a MINOR

victim confidentiality, especially if a minor. I agree the blogger probably won't get nailed.

[Kagemusha]

34. The law cited above, as I expected, protects the names of juvenile perps

Nothing there about victims. The two matters ought not be confused.

[uppityperson]

37. you are right about that law. I'm not a lawyer, still think don't release

names of victims. Especially juvenile ones. Now, off to listen to cspan while getting ready for work and try to lock this thread due to OP. Maybe catch you later.

[Kagemusha]

38. Yeah, we'll see what the hell happens...

But making illegal the release of the names of victims on a blanket basis is something that they do in the United Kingdom, not the United States, as a result of a little thing they call the American Revolution, a piece of paper called the Bill of Rights, etc etc...

[uppityperson]

39. not releasing names of juvenile victims IS typical

no need to quote Bill of Rights, etc.

[Kagemusha]

40. It's typical, but it's also voluntary.

Those who wish to behave like scum are able to behave like scum unless very specifically prohibited. See: Phelps, Fred

Just saying. Not saying it's a good thing in this case. And the blogger did behave like the worst scum. But the minute someone goes after him for it, it'll be 'Look! More government persecution of journalists!'

So I thought I'd say how that just isn't gonna happen now.

[Hav]

30. .

Sadly, I must say that you are most likely right. I can't imagine the blogger getting busted for anything at all. Even another newspaper named the page who is working for a campaign now.

[kestrel91316]

24. "What investigation." ?????WTF?????

Lol, what rock did YOU just crawl out from under?

[Kagemusha]

28. My rock says the FBI didn't investigate for 2 months.

My rock says Hastert didn't investigate (for real) for somewhere between 1 and 10 years.

My rock wonders if an investigation actually started yet. Talk of an investigation starting doesn't mean one was started.

[uppityperson]

31. so you don't think they are investigating to see if there was crime?

seriously? Even though the FBI is involved, they are not investigating? OK. whatever

[Kagemusha]

32. I think the FBI is doing preliminary investigations but...

Did you see that CREW says the FBI has been blatantly lying to the media and blaming CREW for handing over redacted information and refusing to cooperate with subsequent FBI inquiries, and that's why the FBI didn't investigate, saying it didn't think anything in the IM's amounted to criminal activity?

That is not a full investigation. That's a half-assed preliminary investigation two months after the fact accompanied by lies to the press to cover their butts. This is not some sweet innocent thing...

[uppityperson]

33. Investigation is a joke, I agree.

what will happen? Don't know but lies and coverups abound.

[trotsky]

3. Pathetic invasion of privacy by the brownshirts.

Mr. "Passionate America" surely thinks he has completely exonerated his dear political party from the coverup of Foley's predatory behavior.

I'm sure it pained you greatly to have to link to it. :eyes:

[achtung_circus]

4. Rawstory (via JG) says otherwise.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Blogger_outs_boy_in_Foley_scandal_1004.html

But no details, yet.

[marylanddem]

8. foley story - the gift that just keeps giving...

thanks for posting that

[TorchTheWitch]

20. He's been identified and has hired an attorney

AND I'M NOT GOING TO POST ANY LINK THAT IDENTIFIES THE EX-PAGE AS JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOW IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN DOESN'T MAKE IT ETHICAL FOR US TO FURTHER SPREAD IT AROUND!

Unfortunately, an Oklahoma newspaper printed a story about this ex-page hiring an attorney (the ex-page is an Oklahoman) but I'm not going to supply the link to that newspaper's site because they also used the victim's full name (they also identified him as a "victim" as if he isn't). If it pains you to not have a link, tough... I'm not going to spread his name around any more than it already has been...

The attorney's name is Stephen Jones, and "Jones" refers to him...

<snip>

But Jones said, "It is my understanding there is both a Justice Department interest in this matter and also the House of Representatives Ethics Committee is interested.

"My feeling is that the House will move forward with its investigation. Since Mr. Foley is no longer a member of the House, I don't know whether the (House) Ethics committee will ultimately end up looking at this, or whether the committee in charge of the program will do so."

...

And I can see why he hired the guy...

http://www.stephenjoneslaw.com/
Stephen Jones and his team of litigators, experts and support staff will take on anybody.

They have no fear. As managing partner of the law firm of Jones, Otjen, Davis Mr. Jones focuses on complex matters involving Income Tax Fraud Defense, National Security Law, and White-Collar Crime Charges including RICO, stock fraud, mail fraud, money laundering, wiretapping and conspiracy.

He also works extensively with clients who are facing government bias or discrimination.

...

The ex-page is apparently going to appear before either the Ethics committee or the committee in charge of the program as a witness, and he'd be a fool to not be represented by experienced counsel for that. I sure as hell wouldn't without a good attorney, and it looks like the attorney hired is a good choice.

[karlrschneider]

36. I believe Jones was Tim McVeigh's attorney.

...
edit: Just confirmed this, same guy.

[achtung_circus]

5. From Wild Bill's comments, courtesy the General

http://www.haloscan.com/comments/passionateamerica2/115996317940733096/?a=50201#48824

Wow, Wild Bill. What a man! "Outing" a target of Mark Foley's predation. There's a special place in hell for you -- and i know i am not the only Republican who feels this way.

It doesn't matter how many times you assert that Mark Foley is a scumbag; you are in his league when it comes to scumbaggery. To you, it's all about the hard-right retaining power over the Republican Party.

It's time for a purge -- of predators like Foley and their sycophantic revenge-monkeys like you.

And believe me: if this kid gets so much as one harassing e-mail or threatening phone call, you'd best get a lawyer. And not a litigator -- I'm talking criminal defense, you idiot.
Grover Norforms | 10.04.06 - 11:52 am | #

BTW, we share your pain.

[Hav]

14. scary

Great - now this kid will GET what's coming to him - now they can hunt him down and make him PAY
Carrion | 10.04.06 - 11:35 am | #

[blogslut]

7. waiting for the lock

:(

[AlCzervik]

9. if you "Hate to link this crap" them why do so?

[Hav]

10. .

Lol he got pretty defensive when the identity of his son got probably revealed. Not so tough anymore.

It doesn't matter whether the page isn't a minor anymore. He was the victim and deserves some privacy so that it won't haunt him the rest of his live or so that he doesn't get harassed by some freeps. But that is what this hack might have intended.
He also might only want to get hits for his load of ads so we should refrain from linking to his page.

[ourbluenation]

11. I went back and read your 13 posts....something ain't right.

just sayin....

[AlCzervik]

12. mmmmmmmmhuh.

the whiff of insincerity.

[Hav]

18. Probably looking for more fame

Mods should at least remove every link to this site like they do with certain other sites.

[cwydro]

41. i couldn't even find his/her posts...?

[valerief]

19. Nice of you to add insult to injury. nt

[Cameron27]

22. Yes, and the link to the site should be deleted

[TorchTheWitch]

23. THEN DON'T!

Yeah, like it really pained you to spread this kid's name around some more for absolutely no purpose whatsoever.

Sick.

[ourbluenation]

25. tombstone 10, 9, 8, ...

[TorchTheWitch]

26. Can't happen soon enough!

I hope everyone alerted. This is just disgusting.

[ourbluenation]

35. Mods - lock this shit now. eom