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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 11:47 AM
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Bill Moyers Documentary ought to be the real DC scandal
Edited on Fri Oct-06-06 11:52 AM by Armstead
Foleygate? Definetly serious, but more of a "drip" in the drip,drip,drip.

Bob Woodward's book? Not exactly surprising. No real new relevations there.

Bill Moyers' America? That ought to be the Straw the Broke the Camel's Back. Alrthough the information has been covered very superficiually before, Moyers really made it hit home how totally corrupt and cynical these people are.

Not just on a level that would predictably stir up liberals and moderates. But on a more basic level that ought to pull the wool away from the eyes of many conservative and fundamentalist Christians and others who have supported the GOP/Corporate oligarchs who used and abused their trust.

Any conservative Christian with half a brain ought to be incensed to see how they were they were used and misused and scorned by Abrhamoff and Co. Any conservative with half a sense of common decency ought to become ballistic to see how they were manipulated into supporting "issues" that had absolutely nothing to do with their values and beliefs.

Using their belief in "free market economics" to use US Government policy to protect Chinese Sweatshops on American soil? Using the Christians' anti-gambling beliefs to actually support gambling operations? Turning their hard-earned contributions into a Cash Cow?

I were an evangelical Christian and saw myself referred to as a "nut" to be manipulated to fill someone's pockets, I'd feel totally betrayed and be hopping mad.

And -- worse yet -- Moyers was using Abrahmoff as one example of a much larger nest of corruption and cynicism. It only revealed one tentacle of the much larger swamp that the GOP/Conservative/ Corporate/ Religious Right have made of our nation.

It ought to be required viewing for everyone -- especially conservative Republicans.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/moyersonamerica/capitol/index.html

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Excerpt:

BILL MOYERS: During the 1990's, pressure mounted in Washington to bring the Marianas in line with U.S. law. The factory owners convinced the government in Saipan they needed some big-time lobbying. Once again, Jack Abramoff was the man. Critics called the faraway garment industry America's biggest sweatshop. Abramoff set out to paint a different picture, promoting the Marianas to conservatives as a free-market Eden for maximizing profits. He began running all-expense paid tropical junkets for lawmakers, their staff, and conservative activists and journalists.

ALLEN STAYMAN: The first few times that these groups went out there, we asked for meetings, and we were simply blown off.

BILL MOYERS: Abramoff's marquee guest was Tom DeLay. When DeLay, his wife, and daughter and Ed Buckham arrived to ring in the new year of 1998, DeLay praised Abramoff as "one of my closest and dearest friends."

ALLEN STAYMAN: They were generally taken on a dog and pony show to one of the garment factories, where everything had been sanitized, and employers were there to monitor the workers and what they said.

BILL MOYERS: DeLay later told a Texas newspaper that contrary to reports that workers were being sexually exploited, he had interviewed them one ONE-on-one and found no such evidence. "It's a beautiful island with beautiful people who are happy," he said. Their first night, Abramoff and DeLay were hosted at a party thrown by Willie Tan, a Chinese textile tycoon who had paid the largest labor fine in U.S. history - $9 million for sweatshop conditions in his factories.

REP. TOM DELAY (R-TX): You represent everything that is good about what we are trying to do in America - and in leading the world in the free market system...

BILL MOYERS: But, DeLay warned his hosts, back in America, people wanted to spoil their deal: "You are up against the forces of big labor and the radical left. Stand firm. Resist evil. Remember that all truth and blessings emanate from our Creator." Later that night, DeLay and Willie Tan went to a cockfight. When he returned to Washington, DeLay called the Marianas a "petri dish of capitalism" and denounced efforts to enforce U.S. laws. And at the weekly meetings of Grover Norquist's conservative nerve center, a new item appeared on the agenda. Activists were now discussing not only Indian tribes, but the U.S. territory fourteen time zones away.

MICHAEL WALLER: I can't say it with a straight face. Why Saipan would become a conservative issue was beyond so many of us. Now, to some of us, Saipan is a huge Chinese sweatshop. To those of us getting money from those Chinese sweatshop interests, Saipan was a wonderful experiment in free market and low taxes at work. Every time Grover Norquist would take an issue, if you map it, you can see how Abramoff had a client. And there's a symbiosis there.

BILL MOYERS: Turning the Marianas into a conservative cause was crucial if Abramoff was to block the growing bipartisan consensus in Congress that U.S. minimum wage and immigration laws should be enforced in the islands.







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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 11:50 AM
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1. If you don't have a television...
The PBS link has video streams.

I don't have a TV and intend to watch this tonight.

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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 11:51 AM
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2. You are really stretching there
"Christian with half a brain." "Conservative with half a sense of decency." Those people could fit in a phone booth.

But your point is an excellent one. I believe those you describe are so fucking proud and so fucking sure that what they "believe" is correct that they wouldn't dare turn against those that abused them.

Christian conservatives are domestic enemies of our constitution and yes they should be forced to watch this movie then given a one way ticket to the theocracy of their choice.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 12:21 PM
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10. There are decent Christians and conservatives
I'm not referring to the hard-core zealots, or the cynical opportunists.

I think a lot of good eople have been hoodwinked. I know people who are honest and decent who have a different political orientation than us. (And a rather ineffective Democratic Party and others on the left side have not offfered an alternative for them.)

And more imoportant, there hasn't been access to information, which is why I believe things like Moyers Documentary are important in exposing what has really been happening behind the scenes.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 12:39 PM
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16. kick
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 02:24 PM
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23. "these people could fit in a phone booth"
:rofl:
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 11:52 AM
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3. It was investigative journalism at its best.
And I agree, every Dem confronted with the "family values" meme from some Consie ought to use some of the talking points you mentioned.

The GOP has played the Christian Right as a bunch of saps and they still keep sending their dollars in, oblivious to their "chump" status.
What we get are Abramoff, Norquist, Ralph Reed, Ney, and good old defender of "Petrie Dish" Marianas island sweatshopery, Tom Delay.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 11:52 AM
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4. I got hubby to watch it. He's a conservative evangelical and not happy w/
Reed and and Delay painting themselves as Godly men.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 12:30 PM
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13. Yes, that was outrageous
Terrible if they were being two-faced....Even worse if they actually believe that is what Christianity is about.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 09:47 PM
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33. Kick & Recommend!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 11:55 AM
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5. Bill Moyers laid it all out without clothes. I was
glued to PBS when that aired. The naked truth is something the fundamentalists can't handle.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 11:55 AM
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6. I taped it last night from local PBS outlet...haven't seen it yet, but....
Edited on Fri Oct-06-06 11:57 AM by Gabi Hayes
from hearing/listening to CSPAN callers and posts here, it looks to be a very substantial piece of journalism, and one which will be completely ignored by the M$M

as one poster here said, it will be an infuriating experience to watch the extent of corruption they've achieved since 1995, and if any religious right voters happen to watch, they might begin to understand the extent to which they've been played over the years.

thanks for the headsup...everybody should watch this, and alert any fence-sitting friends
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 12:24 PM
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12. Be sure to have Maaloxx handy
The shenagans of these peope will give you indigestion.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 01:02 PM
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19. I know....that was the thrust of several posts here. Reminds me
of when I gave The Hunting of the President to my sister; she couldn't finish it because it made her so furious

I have a STACK of tapes that I'm waiting to play until/if/when the elections are over in a month. if the pugs lose, I'll play them. if not, taping over them; it'll be too painful to watch things like that, knowing that the same thing is just going to happen again

that said, knowing the Achordate Party for what they are, who knows what wussy measures they might take, given the power of the subpoena

you GO, Conyers!

you GO, Waxman!

you GO, Leahy!

who else do we have to spur to action?

I hesitate to mention Pelosi, cause I'd like to see someone else as SOTH (wishful thinking, yes, but it's so sucko to always be pessimistic)
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 01:46 PM
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21. I avoided it for that reason -- But glad I finally watched it
It aired several times here. First time, I avoided it, because I thought it might just be something that would make me impootently angry and frustrated.

But I'm glad I did watch it when it was on again. It was great journalism, and made a very complicated situation more understandable. And it's the kind of weapon the Democrats should be using.

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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 12:16 PM
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7. Totally agree with this, it will speak to the religious right
or, at least, it should. If they'd listen.

Shows how they've been played, big time.

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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 12:18 PM
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8. now we all know the James Dobson would never allow Ailes to disseminate
this
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 12:19 PM
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9. I misread the meaning of your post at first...
I thought the "documentary" itself was a "scandal".. :)
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 12:23 PM
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11. I know....You caiught me
I was using a little "bait and switch" in my headline, to get people to read it.

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schmuls Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 12:33 PM
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14. I thought I read somewhere the Mariana islands is where these
guys had their child sex ring.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 12:58 PM
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17. I dunno about that....But it's awful even without that.
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 12:36 PM
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15. K&R
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 01:01 PM
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18. afternoon kick
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 01:04 PM
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20. "Later that night, Delay went to a cock fight."
That line should end every story that comes out of Washington.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 01:47 PM
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22. ...with Mark Foley..
Bad, bad,bad. Shame on me.
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thingfisher Donating Member (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 03:02 PM
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24. Abramoff
Moyers didn't even bring up the Florida murder of a casino boat owner in which Abramoff was implicated. The story has eceived little coverage but it can be found on the www.
Bottom line: things are a lot worse than we know. Anybody remember Danny Casolaro and his suicide/murder over his investigation of "the octopus".
Lets face the truth, the political process has been neutered by corrupt and power people who hide behind the most blatant hypocricy!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 03:12 PM
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25. Welcome to DU, thingfisher!
:hi:
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LunaSea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 03:50 PM
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26. Kick!
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 04:39 PM
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27. Kick in honor of Susan Ralston
This takes on new meaning in light of Rive's assistant resigning because of all the contacts betwenm Rive's office and Abrahmoff.

It takes the connection up a notch from Delay.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 04:42 PM
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28. Here it comes
back to the Abramoff scandal. Rove and Bush come out of the basement now. Add this to Iraq, Foley, Condi, Cheney, Rummy and Bush: what a rat pack of LIARS.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 05:19 PM
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29. keeping on the front page
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 05:21 PM
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30. Bill Moyers Documentary received no msm factual coverage or mention!!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 05:25 PM
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31. watching now thanks
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 06:05 PM
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32. Yes, I agree - This should be much bigger than Foleygate or another
stupid book by Woodward.

If REAL journalists like Moyers gave Americans most of their news the Republicans would lose more than a hundred seats in the House this November.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 04:11 AM
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34. there are S-O-O-O-O-O many major BushCo scandals . . .
Edited on Sat Oct-07-06 04:12 AM by OneBlueSky
that they've become commonplace . . . and when something becomes commonplace, it loses much of it's power . . .

it's "the whole," the critical mass, that restores and enhances that power . . .

hopefully . . . (with apologies to Edwin Newman) . . .
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