My fellow Duers, We must be prepared to take to the streets

[boston bean]

if they steal these elections and keep control of the House/Senate.

I hope the people who know how to plan this stuff are getting the word out.

[april]

1. ditto

if this happens again...I truly could go ballistic !!!

[randr]

2. My greatest fear is that they have prepared

the detention centers needed to quell a national protest.

[boston bean]

3. It must not deter us....if it does, they win. How sad we have to even

think about that, in this once great country.

[hsher]

22. Not to worry

America has plenty of dirt, and Earth lots of grave space already constructed, too, for the right-wingers who make the mistake of trying to take certain ones of us there. Looking forward to it. :grr:


www.yourmorningleibowitz.blogspot.com
Yer Daily Show comic strip

[nam78_two]

4. Indeed.../nt

[Mz Pip]

5. Also stop shopping.

Other than bare necessities, STOP SHOPPING! Stop buying cars, clothes, CDs. Taking to the streets won't have anywhere near the impact of 50% of the country ceasing to consume.

For the most part people have not 'sacrificed' for this war. Maybe we need to set an example and 'sacrifice' for peace. We could all pretend like it's WWII and really sacrifice our luxuries in the cause of peace.

Would be an interesting experiment in protesting. A silent protest. Could be effective.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[nam78_two]

6. wow -thats a neat idea

Not sure how workable it would be but I like it! In general reducing consumption to the bare minimum always appeals to me.

My boyfriend sometimes says that we live like refugees but I don't care...Most people on this planet live that way or waayyyyyyyy worse and so can we.

[chat_noir]

82. Carlin rants about consumption

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=935607276


R rated for language ;)

[blues90]

14. I suggested this a while back /stop buying stuff

I have to say with all good intend that I whole heartedly agree , however trying to get people to stop buying crap or to even get the word out to enough people is like stopping a runaway freight train . People for the MOST part don't give a shit and will continue to spend their money 24/7 on anything and everything .

Oh it is a nice concept but to actually be able to pull it off is impossible , I say this as a realist even though I would love to see this happen and for months on end , even past the hopeful to have elections .

This is one of the only ways we have to get the message out that we are serious and have had enough . People should even leave their cars at home and take mass transport if possible just to avoid the temporary drop in the high cost of gas .

I can tell you right as I sit here in hollywood and it's friday eve cars are rushing past as always and the stores are as full as ever , as if nothing is going on at all .

What i fear it will take is when we are facing the end as we know it , people in large numbers will have to loose all they have and see the end result while thousands of us are out in the streets broke and hopeless , people need to see this and then they will finally realize this was no joke and they will not be spared .

All these statistics on how wonderful our economy is , is such a sorry sick joke . Sure many people still have their jobs and even though they are working longer hours for less they feel gratefull they can keep going and they adjust to this .

It is high time those of us who are not doing so great finally stand together and say we are fed up and will not take this anylonger but try to pull this off .

I feel most americans just don't fight back until they are cornered and by the time this is evident it will be far too late .

I am not saying it's right but in the days not long ago when a worker was fired and walked back to work and shot the boss they got attention , it was called going postal since it started with a postal worker finally blowing it all . So perhaps violence is the only action that stands out in what is called america . I hope this is not the case but common sense keeps bringing this idea back home , nothing else seems to work .

we had the world can't wait protests and I have not seen one thing about then other than on the internet .

[Viva_La_Revolution]

42. already doing that, for the past year

join me. it's absolutely liberating.

[kineneb]

48. we have had to

stop shopping... now living on Hubby's SSDI. Buying food gets really exciting.

[anarch]

76. way ahead of you on that one

I haven't had any disposable income for some time now....

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

107. The Stop Shopping Idea - s/b a thread of its own

You are so right.

IF folks just REFUSE to buy anything -

no tvs,
no DVRs
no CARS

etc, maybe boycott everything except groceries.

I like this idea, and you are right, the media will pretend
that we aren't even there.

This is a super idea.

[seriousstan]

7. WOW, another keyboard jockey talking about taking the street. How original

:rofl:

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[nam78_two]

9. yeah hilarious

:eyes:

[Poll_Blind]

12. My only hope is that Skinner himself reads your post. n/t

PB

[seriousstan]

16. Why, because I believe in the electoral process? Because I think

relentless talk about "taking the street" makes us look foolish. Because it makes us look impotent and juvenile when we proclaim a day to "shut down the city" with protests and strikes that never amount to more than a handful of people.

I believe in being part of the process. I believe in voting in EVERY election AND working as a poll worker/election judge for the last 20 years.

If you want Skinner to read my posts use the alert button.

[enigmacat]

32. Do you honestly believe in Diebold?

:wtf:

[Malikshah]

49. Good-- and while you work in your little corner of the world

and the rest of the world is taken, you can rest assured that complacency in the face of the destruction of democracy is no concern for you--because you did *your* part.

I'm *not* for taking to the streets.

I'm not for violence.

I'm also not for taking a condescending attitude towards others.

BTW-- don't read condescension in this post-- it's disappointment.

[liberaldemocrat7]

51. I tell people to do what Gandhi did. BOYCOTT.

If every person who does not approve of the Republican party called their major contributors
it would tie up their phone lines and also give them the message that we will not buy their
products until these companies CEOs talked the the leaders of the Republican party and got us the
legislation that we need in this country. I have these company names in my signature.

NO VIOLENCE and NO COOPERATION with those who support the Republican Party.

Spread the word.

[Bluerthanblue]

84. not only boycot, but civil-disobedience-

Sadly, enough money exists to keep those in power from 'feeling' the effects of what we 'little people' do-

Like care for the 'rich' peoples children, clean their houses, fix and make their automobiles, build their homes, police their neighborhoods, teach their children, grow their food, make their clothes, deliver their gifts, carry away their trash, .............................and on and on and on.


"Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realise we cannot eat money. ~Cree Indian Proverb"

[rman]

62. I think your believing there's no election fraud

makes you look foolish.

[Bluerthanblue]

83. your 'belief' would be just fine,

if everyone in a position to manipulate the results were honest- The sad, very REAL reality Seriousstan, is they are NOT- and enough of them have amassed power and influence to ensure the will of 'the people' is not always or even sometimes the end result.

Not to mention the fact that the chance of an 'average' Joe/Jane can enter politics any longer without being sponsored by 'corporate interest' is history-

Your asinine comment about people "taking to the street" making 'us' look 'impotent' or 'juvenile' reveals too much about the arrogant, lazy, apathetic mentality of why the protests and strikes "never amount to more than a handful of people".(Which is a lie- there were FAR more than a handfull of the people of this WORLD who took to the streets in opposition to this Iraq hell)

It's a HELL of a lot easier to play the 'safe and sound' card- Than to put your body- your very life on the line- against un-checked, and FASCIST power. As for believing that 'voting' works- how has it worked in Iraq? How has it worked in Palestine?
As my wise neighbor would say "If a board is too short, no matter how many times you cut it, it's still too short".

I highly recommend you think back on the ways in which 'taking to the streets have changed the world"-

The Civil Rights Movement? Non-violent demonstrations in India to win India's sovereignty? The ending of Apartheid in South Africa? The Womens Suffrage Movement? The waking up of the US to the futility of Vietnam????

If these examples are juvenile, or impotent, then let me be an impotent juvenile forever-

[bowens43]

10. First you will have to prove it's stolen.

If you can do that then our best recourse is the courts.

[helderheid]

13. We've BEEN taking it to the streets. When we do in hundreds of thousands

they report "a few thousand" if they report at all. When we do in the thousands, they report "hundreds" if they report at all.

[sufrommich]

15. Like yesterday?

Be prepared to see some Democrats take seats from republicans and on a lesser scale some Dem seats go to reps.I know that is boring,but much more feasible than fascists stealing the elections and jailing and/or disappearing Democrats.I imagine there will be some on this board who will be very disappointed if the Dems win the house and/or senate and put an end to all this drama.

[BeFree]

19. Drama

Yeah, the ways and means they have at their fingertips is all just a drama, a bad play. Nothing to see here, move along.

Yep, all us election reform idiots are just hoping and praying the dems lose, just so we can say: "Told you so!" Damn, you found us out.

Nope, we don't really want fair elections and we believe the American people voted for this bunch of criminals.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Is my disgust evident enough? I can go deeper if you want. Drama my ass.

[sufrommich]

21. Taking to the streets when you don't like

the results of an election is not "election" reform.Where in the OP is there talk about election reform?
All I see is a lot of dramatic scenarios being played on this board over and over again that are not based in reality.

[ClassWarrior]

25. Who said anything about "liking?"

I think the OP's words were "if they steal these elections."

Do you "like" stolen elections?

NGU.

[nam78_two]

30. You must be a "conspiracy theorist"

:sarcasm:

Back in 2003 I remember a lawyer who was talking about the dangers of the Buhsies misusing their power and spying on the American people, being labeled a paranoid CTist.
The expose of warrantless NSA wire-taps now proves he was right.


Shit in the run up to the Iraq war, lots of people questioning the justification for this war and suggesting that it has nothing to do with 9/11 and more to do with profits for Halliburton were called paranoid.

I was never particularly CTish in say 2002, but if you have been paying any attention to the news over the last 5 years -and I am talking about NYT, WaPo etc. you become a little tin-foily and at this point I would rather err on the side of being overly cautious and "dramatic" rather than be "sensible" & "practical" and refuse to question stuff...

[sufrommich]

36. Yes,

I love stolen elections.Good eye!
The OP statement was "if they keep the house/senate".I assume OP is inferring that anything less than a win for us is a stolen election.
Here's a post in this thread all ready explaining a Dem win as a possible republican plot!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2328216&mesg_id=2336783

Sorry,this is nuts ,and demeaning to Democrats.The republicans are not all powerful gods holding the strings of the government puppet.I think there's a lot of posters on this board trying to convince Democrats that their vote is useless.You believe whatever shit you want to believe.

[resist_vote on paper]

61. You HAVE to vote! If you think one voice is no voice...

why do you go to footballmatches and cheer for your Players?

Can anybody tell me, if this is ironic or true stuff? If hacking is that easy, there are only maybe thousands of you necessary to enter the booths as the last voter :-)
( a quick ad comes first)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marty-kaplan/how-to-hack-a-diebold-vot_b_26301.html

[Warren Stupidity]

69. Actually the OP's statement was

"if they steal these elections and keep control of the House/Senate."

Your misstatement of the OP's position:

"The OP statement was "if they keep the house/senate".I assume OP is inferring that anything less than a win for us is a stolen election."

Is dishonest. I think you owe the OP an apology.

[sufrommich]

71. I think

I'll decide for myself when I need to apologies to someone.

[Warren Stupidity]

73. Indeed you will.

I cannot compel you to be honest in your discourse here, but I will continue to point out dishonesty when I come across it.

[Imagevision]

27. Anyone remember "Kent State" Bush would orgasm watching...

[Warren Stupidity]

72. watching kids get shot dead?

Yes he probably would. However if the level of civil disobedience were even starting to approach what we managed in the late 60's and early 70's. soon after the little man's orgasm his handlers would be discussing how best to manage the retreat from Iraq.

"Taking to the streets' is not about getting good pictures on the nightly news, although that helps. It is about widespread civil disobedience, about cracking up the system, about bringing things to a standstill. Did you ever wonder why the Chinese regime found it necessary to commit an atrocity in Tianneman Square? I can assure you that peaceful demonstration was not getting any airplay on the Chinese media either.

I am astounded at the responses here to the hypothetical posed by the OP. At what point, how many stolen elections does it take, before we in the opposition are going to be willing to consider other forms of action to oppose tyranny? How much evidence has to be piled up regarding the misdeeds and bad intentions of this administration before we accept that it is not business as usual, that perhaps casting our vote into a dubious device every other year is not sufficient? From LIHOP to Habeas Corpus, from Florida to Ohio, what is it going to take?

[BeFree]

38. That was not your point

Your point was that some here would be happy if the Dems lost.

Talk about your drama not based in reality!!

The worry of the stolen elections grew from the Election Reform forum here on DU. It is probably the freest discussion on the net about elections and has, for two years now, been hashing out election scenarios.

What we have found is that anything is possible. Anything.

Be ready for anything.

[theHandpuppet]

67. I would think a union supporter of all people...

... would understand the power of taking to the streets, of boycotts and strikes. Funny that.

[sufrommich]

70. Unions ar e kind of busy right now

fighting to hang on to their jobs and stop privatization and outsourcing,advocating for relief from high health care and energy costs that threatens to put us in the poorhouse,fighting the perception by snobs from their own party who believe that all"Joe Sixpacks"are boorish idiots.Too busy fighting real bread and butter issues to march in the streets for some hazy conspiracy theory that seems to perpetuate the myth that their votes are useless.What's so funny about it?

[helderheid]

23. Thanks for speaking for me.

[EFerrari]

78. You better notify John Conyers and the GAO

so they can rewrite their reports and not be part of the "drama".

:rofl:

[BelgianMadCow]

17. Ask some venezuelans - I think you are right.

You are the MAJORITY, and the only supreme power behind the constitution.
There aren't enough detention centers for a couple millions.
And they sure aren't ready yet to lose all those consumers either.

Government by and for the people.

[elehhhhna]

24. DING DING Excellent post!

[hsher]

31. Damn straight!

Belgian, right on the money :yourock:
Ask Hungary too.

[stillcool]

18. a favorite quote..

In his speech "Beyond Vietnam"...MLKJr. said...
Perhaps a new spirit is rising among us. If it is, let us trace its movements, and pray that our own inner being may be sensitive to its guidance, for we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us.

http://www.mlkonline.net/

when the student is ready, the teacher appears?

[kster]

20. Read, The Elephant in the Polling Booth

SNIP...In the next issue of the Spectator, I'll elaborate on the GOP's two likeliest moves in November's mid-term elections. For now, we must do all we can to make everyone aware of what's been going down—and, most important, what is now at stake. As the press and the Democrats have failed to call for any actual reform of the election system, Bush and Co. are now in a superb position to retain their legislative power, regardless of how people vote (or try to vote).


SNIP...If we get millions out to vote, without informing them they may well "lose" anyway, the blow will devastate them, just as Kerry's abrupt concession did in 2004. It took two years to get Americans mobilized again. If Bush and his allies steal the next election, we won't have years to start resisting. The resistance must start on Day One, just as in Ukraine and Mexico; and so the people must be ready for the fight—and so they need to know enough to wage it, and to win it.

http://www.washingtonspectator.com /

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. No Need To Insult One Another Here But Talk Of A Revolution Is Far Fetched

If there's a large disparity between the actual vote and the contemporaneous polls then we all should be suspicious.

[elocs]

41. I agree.

Americans are far too comfortable for any kind of revolution. Like it or not, that includes most Democrats because most Democrats are nowhere near being the liberals many of us here are.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

57. Here's A Link To Polling Report

http://www.pollingreport.com/

There's a ton of polling data here...From neutral pollsters...Democratic pollsters...And Republican pollsters...

It looks like we might get back the House and Senate...

If there is a major discrepancy between the final polling data and the actual vote this year then the anger will be justified. If the Republicans are down ten points on the generic ballot and hold the House and Senate then you can say something is rotten. It wasn't like Kerry or Gore were beating the pants off Bush* in the polls and they miracalously lost. I think if you do the reasearch most polls had the election a pickem with Bush* having the smallest of edges. If you don'tagree with my take that's cool.


Peace

DSB

[Warren Stupidity]

74. "It wasn't like Kerry or Gore were beating the pants off Bush* in the poll

Actually in Kerry's case that is exactly what happened in Ohio. Exit polls had Kerry over Bush outside the margin of error.

[elocs]

77. "Might" is a very, very big word, full of possibilities. nt

[BeFree]

43. New Party: The Democratic Revolution Party

We need a new revolution. The bsuh revolution is taking the country over a cliff.

We either revolt, or we go over the cliff. Where do you wanna go?

[resist_vote on paper]

58. I'd prefer revolution, even if I'd end up in detention camps n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

60. How About Hanged Or Shot?

eom

[resist_vote on paper]

64. May I have both for Bush? ;-)

For me? I am not scared of death.

Better dying on feet than living on knees, don't you think so?

Whats EOM?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. Yeah- I'd Die To Protect A Friend

"No one has greater love than this, to lay down one's life for one's friends.."


John 15:13


But I'm not going to resort to violence as long as a system exists for peaceful redress of my grievances.

[resist_vote on paper]

68. yes, but the time for peaceful redressing is running out...

This is why I designed this Peace-sign and why I am planning this Homepage:

Only my web-designer doesn't work as quick as he should, so I am going to post the content of my homepage here:

I really hope, it will be online in a few days: www.pleace.eu


ONE WORLD - ONE GOAL - ONE VOICE


Nearly everybody gets the sense, that the world is turning upside down. We all have the feeling, that there is something "going extremely wrong". Let it be the war against terrorism, the increasing poorness of more and more people, the rising of state-debitism, and, last but not least, the massive destruction of human rights or the bill of rights, once established mainly by James Madison, the AMERICAN CONSTITUTION!
Nothing could remain after the war against terrorism! But! Nearly nobody knows, that the signs are
pointing in only one direction!

PLEACE wants to show you, who our real enemies are, who benefits from the actual
system, and why we are sustaining this great depression, we are facing in the very near future.

Our freedom and our rights are already a mess; it's high noon to get active; we MUST get active now, me must learn all about our enemies, or we will have to face a very long time in slavery, even if its a modern type of slavery! ( Called "interest" )

There could be an idea of fighting for freedom again, like our grandfathers did centuries before. They fought and died to give us, their kids, a live in freedom. But what do we do? We give our freedom away, away for the uncertain security which we can never achieve, because this security is not wanted by the elite who benefits from the actual system.
They need to control us in the most complete way to make sure we do not escape from serfdom.

There are many websites of information and warnings, but they do not combine the effort
of those who ask for human rights or for freedom or who wants to fight the terrorism performed by several governments!
!
This is the goal of PLEACE :

It's an appeal to all people able to read and to learn: educate yourself and those around you,
don't believe everything the media wishes you to believe, and especially: don't let them take your freedom!

Lets fly the flag of freedom against the warmonger of our times: they kill for keeping the predominance and deprive whole nations of their resources and existences. As long as this
injustice exists, there will and can be no peace in the world!
Ask yourself: is there any goal that is more important than freedom and justice?
Is freedom and justice worth it fighting for? If your answer is yes: fly the flag of PLEACE!
PLEACE! is no commercial sign, is free for anybody to use in case its used for the goal of peace.

This is not our fate! We can grab it and root it out! Do not wait for anybody do do it for you!
The media will not pick up this subject, because they are not allowed to do.
We have to do it ourselves, so lets rock!

Lets show: I DO NOT CONSENT! Lets show it in a peaceful manner as long as we can do it that way. Lets show it with flags on our cars, with caps and t-shirts and fly the flag:

I DO NOT CONSENT! Or simply:

Look to my sig-line: PLEACE!

On this site you will find links to websites I recommend and I find helpful.

May be you will rub your eyes in disbelieve. I do not know, if all stories in this links are
1000 % true ( nobody can!), but they throw out a LOT of questions, and nobody of the officials is answering or denying.
I think, this is at least half of the truth. For me, 50 % is more than enough to get up from the sofa!

Lets rock. Lets show them: Not with me!!!!


Think of it:
The more often you see the PLEACE-sign, the stronger we get!!!!
(The sign is free to use for anybody, who wants to participate or who wants to fight for freedom and peace!)


Please:
READ! LEARN! THINK! and then:
BE REPUGNANT!!!!!


Imagine, there is war, but nobody participates!

There are exactly two possibilities: we contradict now in peace, or we will have to face a war! Think about it!




In the following some links to the basic:


The roots of the bad: the FED ( Federal Reserve Bank )

Basic knowledge

The money fraud: http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/EURO.html


What is Fiat money? http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_01/parks021701pv.h...





What is going on in America?

videos:
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-594826360757938...

about labor camps: http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-914669823904244...

WDR: File 9/11: http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-788043434631907...

American dictatorship:

1. ) http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-714309229218458...

2. ) Interview Aaron Russo: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-32544887772152...

news:
Labor camps: http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/47...


?How to support: Send me a translation of this site in YOUR language ( thats not already on this site of course) and get your t-shirt for free! Links to similar stuff in your language are appreciated too!



If you could manage it until this last sentence, I will release you to think yourself, do research on your own, and tell your neighbors about the danger, we are all living in! Take this opportunity that has been given to you, don't let some old money-bags fool and don't waste your live for them! Then I have reached my goal with this site!

Cheers, Sonja


This sign may be reproduced by anyone, as long as it is used for the goal of freedom and peace!

[hsher]

88. Email me

We're starting a revolution. Email me.
Bush wants to reduce history to a comma.
I'm going to reduce his to "brief coup".
For America, for Liberty, let's roll.

If you're down for this, contact me.


www.yourmorningleibowitz.blogspot.com
Yer Daily Show comic strip

[rman]

63. "be suspicious" - is that all?

Just being suspicious won't change anything.

[resist_vote on paper]

65. I would be suspicious anyway

and try push my frontman to give in to papervotes!

Thats THE Question at all! That's why I have decided to take that nick, you know :-)

[CorpGovActivist]

28. I Live in Alexandria, Virginia/Can Host Activists

Suggested protest sites include:

* the SEC, which is covering up Halliburton's violations of the Federal securities laws (1)
* the Labor Department, which is covering up Bush-affiliated entities' violations of ERISA (2)
* the headquarters of Halliburton/KBR's Federal Government operations (3)

(1) the SEC is headed by former GOP Congressman Chris Cox - who helped write the Orwellian Private Securities Litigation Reform Act (PSLRA), and helped pass it over President Clinton's veto: http://www.wikipedia.org/search-redirect.php?search=private+securities+litigation+reform+act&language=en&go=Go

(2) the DOL is headed by Elaine Chao, second wife of once-divorced Senator Mitch McConnell, Sith Lord wannabe

(3) http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=kbr+virginia+arlington

Even if all goes well, and the Mastadons/Fascists who have posed their way into "leadership" roles in my party get their walking papers, shouldn't there be some kind of an exorcism/celebration?

- David A. Smith, Editor of BushBunglesBrigade.org and HALwhistleblowers.org
(not to be confused with David R. Smith, VP of Tax at Halliburton, my former employer)

For more information: http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?company=smith+david+allen&CIK=&filenum=&State=&SIC=&owner=include&action=getcompany

[hsher]

33. Corp, can you really?

Can you really host activists? Because something's starting over here in the southwest and we need someone who can house host a few activists for just under a week. Please get in touch if so.

[CorpGovActivist]

35. Hit Me Up at...

[e-mail]

: )

- Dave

[hsher]

29. FOX News boycott

:::New York and Washington, DC, taxi cab drivers boycott FOX employees::::

FOX employees in New York City and the Beltway depend on cabs to get to and from their bureaus. This is especially the case in New York. As retaliation for the "Mark Foley (D)" propaganda attack, I call upon the cab drivers of New York and Washington, DC, to boycott FOX employees and refuse to transport them. Indefinitely.

NEW YORK:
If anyone gets in your cab requesting Sixth Avenue and 48th Street, or surrounding areas within a three-mile radius, refuse to take them there.

WASHINGTON:
If anyone gets in your cab requesting Third Street, or surrounding areas within a three-mile radius, refuse to take them there.

This will have an immediate negative effect on FOX News broadcasting because it will damage writing, staff meeting and broadcast schedules. Regular citizens who don't work for FOX may get caught in this boycott dragnet, but ist tut mir leid. Find another way to get where you need to go. The FOX punishment boycott needs to start with the taxis. The next step is for regular wage workers at the services FOX employees and their families enjoy to refuse to serve them and refuse to sell to them: even on punishment of termination of employment. If you are fired for not serving a FOX employee, then spend your free time distributing leaflets containing anti-American FOX literature to your replacements as they arrive. Stand just off employer property to do so, on county-owned right of way. Usually that is the sidewalk or just inside it ("outside it" is the street). Inside includes varying widths of asphalt or grass. If necessary, distribute leaflets translated into Spanish about FOX News sympathy towards the Minutemen and their activities.

Turn this nation back around.
Time for the drastic measures.
I'll be back with more ideas later. Feel free to copy, print and distribute this.


www.yourmorningleibowitz.blogspot.com
Yer Daily Show comic strip

[Brian Stevens]

52. Not gonna work

Job discrimination is against the law and the company would be shut down if they do that.

[Swamp Rat]

54. They cannot prove it is job discrimination.

Cabbies only have to ask for the destination, and they have to right to refuse to take the fare.

"Oops! My meter is broken!"

"Not enough gas, sorry!"

"I cannot go to that address for medical reasons."

"I was attacked in that area - cannot go there."

There is no way FOX employees can prove it is job discrimination. No way.

On th other hand, FOX would likely hire out an entire fleet of cars and drivers thus solving the problem, which is MUCH cheaper than litigation... and no bad publicity.

[hsher]

85. Town Cars are expensive if rented for every employee

That's why the boycott will work. I don't mean to shut down the network. That's not possible with a cab boycott. The idea is to inconvenience and anger them, and to punish them financially by disrupting their production schedules with it and forcing the expense of the extra Town Cars. When I was working for a film company in New York, I was always given a Town Car to ride around in, and I was required to sign the vouchers for each ride. They are *expensive*. The higher-ups at FOX will eventually notice the dip in the NY and DC bureau's luxury transportation budget, and a few people at FOX will unfairly lose their jobs over it. After the higher-ups notice they're firing a lot of people over the Town Cars, an internal inquiry will be started. By then the damage will be extensive.

I've worked in the entertainment industry in New York City and directly saw the Town Car prices and how Town Cars are used. Studios are always hoping you'll take a cab instead, but if your name is above the line on the contract, they have to provide a Town Car or a limo. The prices on those go up fast. Also, "fleets of Town Cars" are run by the same immigrant, often Muslim companies the cabs are. If we get them to participate in the boycott too, FOX is STRANDED.

I am fairly sure this boycott would be effective.
Anyone want to contact the cab companies and start this? NY will love it.


www.yourmorningleibowitz.blogspot.com
Yer Daily Show comic strip

[Swamp Rat]

99. Then again, Bushler could just send them Humvees with Blackwater

employees as drivers, and charge the U.S. taxpayers.

I am not saying it isn't a bad idea, and I don't want to discourage anyone, but I am just trying to play Devil's advocate - looking at the pitfalls ahead of time.

[hsher]

100. I appreciate that :)

Because I do want this to work. Do you see any other potential problems I need to correct before launching this out there? How about the actual geography of the boycott?

www.yourmorningleibowitz.blogspot.com
Yer Daily Show comic strip

[Dick Diver]

93. You're incorrect

in the sense that NYC cabs cannot refuse to take you to a location in Manhattan. It's not a matter of job discrimination; it simply a matter of being licensed to transport within the city. Also, this is about the stupidest idea I've ever heard of (not your problem -- see subsequent post #94).

[hsher]

102. Not arguing anymore with this RW poster

{IGNORE)

[Brian Stevens]

104. Well, so much for that.

You just gave it away. Please relize who may be lurking the DU. They are everywhere.

[Swamp Rat]

105. LOL!

:rofl: THEY sure are. :D

[hsher]

106. F*ck him, the plan is still on

He can do what he wants. We're still going to give it a try, and we just might do something a little off-center from a different angle than he expects - just for fun. After all... how does he know I'm going to target only FOX? And do it right this second? Trust me, nobody's going to know what's happening until it happens.

Never underestimate the left!


www.yourmorningleibowitz.blogspot.com
Yer Daily Show comic strip

[hsher]

90. I've started it

At least the start of the start of it. Let's see how it goes.


www.yourmorningleibowitz.blogspot.com
Yer Daily Show comic strip

[Brian Stevens]

112. Good luck to you :)

I just hope the hack inspector doesn't show.

[Dick Diver]

94. This was posted in another thread and must be a joke, right?

You do know that a three-mile radius of 48th and 6th encompasses virtually all of Manhattan? Drivers wouldn't take people, for example, to Penn Station, to Grand Central Station, to the Port Authority, etc., etc., etc. If this suggestion isn't a joke (and in any sane world it must be), perhaps you (or whoever's making it) should take a trip to the city before suggesting this publicly.

[Name removed]

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[CoffeeCat]

34. I think BushCo is anticipating riots...

On Wednesday, Rush Limbaugh was talking about those who claim that the elections are stolen.
He was lambasting those who suggested that 00 and 04 were rigged, and he went off on a rant
about the upcoming 06 election.

I'm paraphrasing here, but essentially, what Rush said was, "You can betcha that if the Dems don't take the House and the Senate in 06, these people are going to start riots. They're going to be furious and they're going to be causing trouble." He talked about our sense of entitlement and our inability to get over the fact that we aren't the party in power--after 40 years of maintaining that power.

I thought that was a very odd prediction, indeed. It's as if he's preparing everyone for the mayhem. He's positioning election-reformers as bitter nutjobs and crybabies. He's stoking his audience into viewing election protesters as horrible people.

Also--just look at BushCo's recent legislation regarding detainees and enemy combatants. Anyone who speaks out against the current administration can be detained.

I hope they're not planning to steal it, but when these pieces of the puzzle surface--it makes me brace for it.

All I can do is show up in my voting precinct with a video camera, which is what I absolutely intend to do.

[nolabels]

55. We don't need no riots

When you are in the belly of the beast you get to rot the beast from the inside out. I tell you there is hell to pay. They couldn't handle an indigenous insurgency (some call them patriots) supported by twenty million in Iraq. So just think what an insurgency supported by two hundred million will look like :yoiks:

[Nimrod2005]

37. I hope it doesn't come to this, but I am telling you

I hope we don't have one of those seats we are going to win, or supposed to win, hanging over a bad count or bad machine somehwere ----- I don't want us to hold the nation up over one congressional seat somewhere, but it may boil down to that...

[lonestarnot]

39. Waiting and watching.

[elocs]

40. Frankly, I don't see protests happening to any great extent.

As far as elections being stolen, there will be too much reasonable doubt for the average American. Most people will look upon it as the same song, just a different verse, which they have been hearing for 6 years. I believe elections have been stolen, but most Americans will look at it as the Democrats crying again because they didn't win. Our track record is not very good because from the 2000 election the increased use of electronic voting machines have made elections even easier to steal. Also, Democrats need to pay more attention to getting Democrats elected to the local and state offices which have a direct impact upon elections and the actual electoral process and method. The names Harris and Blackwell should indicate the importance of that.

[cascadiance]

44. Amerika is coming!!!

[Laurab]

45. It's funny, actually

I see the posters making fun of your posts, calling it "drama", et al, and I'm thinking "where have they been the past few years?"

If, in fact we don't win the elections we're supposed to win, we have nothing left, really. Am I prepared to take to the streets - no. Do I think it might be necessary - YES. Will I, a middle-aged suburbanite, take part if it's all we have left - YESSSSSSSSSSS!

I don't think there's anything foolish or dramatic about your post. The only thing that I think might be our saving grace is the new repug corruption and resignations and investigations going on right now. I think it may lead to elections that even Diebold or election fraud can't steal.

For the first time since I can't remember when, I'm loving reading the paper. They're going down one after another. I think even turdblossom wasn't expecting this, and is probably very distracted right now, as the October surprise so far seems to be on them.

However NOTHING they do would surprise me, and I will not stand for a dictatorship. I will be more than a "keyboard warrior" if need be.

[pat_k]

46. don't wait until after -- pay a visit to your local election officials

next week.

Each and every one of us can become one of those people "who know how to plan stuff." As the saying goes, we can Just Do It.

If the systems they plan to use in your area are incapable of instilling confidence, there is probably an existing effort to demand an alternate system (e.g., an open election using paper ballots counted by hand). See if you can find and connect with these people in your, or other jurisditions.

Whatever your local situation, find out who your election officials and local administrators are and recruit a couple neighbors or friends to pay them each a personal visit. Let these officials know what the people they serve demand of them. For example make sure they know the people they serve

1. expect them to conduct a free, fair, open, and accurate election;



2. will be watching them like hawks and will criminally prosecute any official for participating in, or turning a blind eye to any suspicious actions;



3. expect them to investigate and resolve any questions about the conduct of the election and will not tolerate obstruction, appeals to legal technicality, or attempts to run out the clock;



4. will go after every official who fails to fight for your right to have confidence in the election results personally. (You will go after their job. You will sue them personally for colluding with private corporations to betray the public trust. Whatever it takes.)

Whatever specific demands you choose to convey, you can turn them into a declaration of intent (I election official X am committed to X) and ask them to sign. Let the officials know that you are connecting with others in their jurisdication. You can also put your demands into petition form (As a voter in X jurisdication, I expect. . .).

Talk to others in your area, let them know what you are doing and ask them to a) sign a petition joining in your demands; b) make a commitment to help in post-election efforts to hold local election officials personally responsible if they conduct an election that does not instill public confidence in the results; c) help spread the word.

Call meetings, pass out flyers.

We don't need to look to others to act. Distributed efforts that target our own officials can be more effective than any statewide or national efforts.

[welshTerrier2]

47. we absolutely should have demonstrations

it never ceases to amaze me that anyone would actually try to make a case against taking our voices to the streets ... what could be more Democratic than voicing your concerns about the great issues of the day in a public setting ...

demonstrations, of course, cannot solve all our problems nor can they be the only form of political activity ... but to argue that they have no place is absurd ...

demonstrations, if effectively organized, can serve a number of very useful purposes ... first, they can educate the public (and the attendees) ... many people who stand at the periphery of demonstrations (i.e. non-participants) speak to demonstrators or read their literature or listen to their speeches or just see their passion ...

second, demonstrations can be used to build an ongoing activist campaign for one or more issues ... mailing lists, notices of upcoming events, recommended books and websites etc can help to keep people involved ...

third, demonstrations can be very energizing ... to see many other people who are fighting for the issues you're fighting for can really be motivating ...

we have all become isolated from one another ... we need a greater sense of community ... we need to put some passion in our politics ... this is how democracy is supposed to work ... we are supposed to take our case to the town square ...

i see demonstrations as an effort to build an ongoing movement ... they are different than campaign work ... they are not a replacement to campaign work; they're an addition to it ... sometimes the goals are similar and sometimes they are not ... most demonstrations are issue oriented rather than candidate or party oriented ... again, to argue that demonstrations are not worth having is totally lame ... we need to take our message to the streets and to every other public venue at our disposal ...

[resist_vote on paper]

56. OH YES! Lets begin right now!! PLEACE!

This is why I designed this Peace-sign and why I am planning this Homepage:

Only my web-designer doesn't work as quick as he should, so I am going to post the content of my homepage here:

I really hope, it will be online in a few days: www.pleace.eu

ONE WORLD - ONE GOAL - ONE VOICE


Nearly everybody gets the sense, that the world is turning upside down. We all have the feeling, that there is something "going extremely wrong". Let it be the war against terrorism, the increasing poorness of more and more people, the rising of state-debitism, and, last but not least, the massive destruction of human rights or the bill of rights, once established mainly by James Madison, the AMERICAN CONSTITUTION!
Nothing could remain after the war against terrorism! But! Nearly nobody knows, that the signs are
pointing in only one direction!

PLEACE wants to show you, who our real enemies are, who benefits from the actual
system, and why we are sustaining this great depression, we are facing in the very near future.

Our freedom and our rights are already a mess; it's high noon to get active; we MUST get active now, me must learn all about our enemies, or we will have to face a very long time in slavery, even if its a modern type of slavery! ( Called "interest" )

There could be an idea of fighting for freedom again, like our grandfathers did centuries before. They fought and died to give us, their kids, a live in freedom. But what do we do? We give our freedom away, away for the uncertain security which we can never achieve, because this security is not wanted by the elite who benefits from the actual system.
They need to control us in the most complete way to make sure we do not escape from serfdom.

There are many websites of information and warnings, but they do not combine the effort
of those who ask for human rights or for freedom or who wants to fight the terrorism performed by several governments!
!
This is the goal of PLEACE :

It's an appeal to all people able to read and to learn: educate yourself and those around you,
don't believe everything the media wishes you to believe, and especially: don't let them take your freedom!

Lets fly the flag of freedom against the warmonger of our times: they kill for keeping the predominance and deprive whole nations of their resources and existences. As long as this
injustice exists, there will and can be no peace in the world!
Ask yourself: is there any goal that is more important than freedom and justice?
Is freedom and justice worth it fighting for? If your answer is yes: fly the flag of PLEACE!
PLEACE! is no commercial sign, is free for anybody to use in case its used for the goal of peace.

This is not our fate! We can grab it and root it out! Do not wait for anybody do do it for you!
The media will not pick up this subject, because they are not allowed to do.
We have to do it ourselves, so lets rock!

Lets show: I DO NOT CONSENT! Lets show it in a peaceful manner as long as we can do it that way. Lets show it with flags on our cars, with caps and t-shirts and fly the flag:

I DO NOT CONSENT! Or simply:

Look to my sig-line: PLEACE!

On this site you will find links to websites I recommend and I find helpful.

May be you will rub your eyes in disbelieve. I do not know, if all stories in this links are
1000 % true ( nobody can!), but they throw out a LOT of questions, and nobody of the officials is answering or denying.
I think, this is at least half of the truth. For me, 50 % is more than enough to get up from the sofa!

Lets rock. Lets show them: Not with me!!!!


Think of it:
The more often you see the PLEACE-sign, the stronger we get!!!!
(The sign is free to use for anybody, who wants to participate or who wants to fight for freedom and peace!)


Please:
READ! LEARN! THINK! and then:
BE REPUGNANT!!!!!


Imagine, there is war, but nobody participates!

There are exactly two possibilities: we contradict now in peace, or we will have to face a war! Think about it!




In the following some links to the basic:


The roots of the bad: the FED ( Federal Reserve Bank )

Basic knowledge

The money fraud: http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/EURO.html


What is Fiat money? http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_01/parks021701pv.html





What is going on in America?

videos:
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-5948263607579389947&q=Alex+Jones

about labor camps: http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-9146698239042440062

WDR: File 9/11: http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-7880434346319073144

American dictatorship:

1. ) http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-7143092292184582857&q=american+dictators

2. ) Interview Aaron Russo: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3254488777215293198

news:
Labor camps: http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/47/17936


?How to support: Send me a translation of this site in YOUR language ( thats not already on this site of course) and get your t-shirt for free! Links to similar stuff in your language are appreciated too!



If you could manage it until this last sentence, I will release you to think yourself, do research on your own, and tell your neighbors about the danger, we are all living in! Take this opportunity that has been given to you, don't let some old money-bags fool and don't waste your live for them! Then I have reached my goal with this site!

Cheers, Sonja


This sign may be reproduced by anyone, as long as it is used for the goal of freedom and peace!

[Dick Diver]

96. Do you believe in the goals of the link you've provided.

Are these your opinions as well, all from the "About Us" in your link:

The money fraud: http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/EURO.html

IF IT WERE POSSIBLE TO GET DECENT POLITICIANS WHO PUT AMERICA FIRST ELECTED, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE LEADERS WHO WOULD STAND UP TO THE GLOBALIST AGENDA, WHO WOULD FIGHT FOR AMERICA INSTEAD OF AGAINST IT, AND WHO WOULD END OUR ENSLAVEMENT TO A FOREIGN AGENDA. THEY WOULD IMPLEMENT THESE 10 SIMPLE, COMMON SENSE PLANS WHICH I BELIEVE WOULD SAVE THIS NATION. THEN YOU WOULD SEE WHAT AMERICA WAS MEANT TO BE.

1. BUILD A 30 FOOT HIGH CONCRETE WALL SEPARATING MEXICO AND THE US TOPPED BY ELECTRIFIED RAZOR WIRE AND LOOKOUT TOWERS EVERY MILE. THE COASTLINE AND CANADIAN BORDER SECURITY MUST BE SIMILARLY STEPPED UP. INSTEAD OF SACRIFICING THEIR LIVES IN GLOBALIST CREATED HELLHOLES LIKE IRAQ, OUR TROOPS WOULD BE USED TO PROTECT OUR BORDERS, OUR ECONOMY, AND OUR CULTURE. TOSS OUT ALL ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, AND REDUCE LEGAL IMMIGRATION TO ONE TENTH WHAT IT IS NOW. MAKE ENGLISH THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE OF THE US. ALL IMMIGRANTS MUST LEARN TO SPEAK ENGLISH, BE CLEAN LIVING, AND SELF RELIANT.

2. ABOLISH THE FEDERAL RESERVE IMMEDIATELY AND PERMANENTLY, THEN BACK OUR CURRENCY WITH GOLD AND SILVER. ALL DEBT "OWED" TO THE FEDERAL RESERVE WOULD THEN BE ELIMINATED. THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK IS A PRIVATE COMPANY. THE FACT IS THAT THE CONSTITUTION FORBIDS IT'S EXISTENCE. ARTICLE 1, SECTION 8 OF THE CONSTITUTION STATES THAT "CONGRESS SHALL HAVE THE POWER TO CREATE MONEY AND REGULATE THE VALUE THEREOF", NOT A BUNCH OF INTERNATIONAL BANKERS! TODAY, THE FED CONTROLS OUR ECONOMY, AND MAKES HUGE PROFITS BY PRINTING WORTHLESS PAPER, AND AMERICA IS SPENDING BILLIONS JUST TO PAY THE INTEREST ON IT! THIS UNCONSTITUTIONAL GANG OF BANDITS MUST BE EXPOSED FOR WHAT THEY ARE, AND ELIMINATED. ALSO, THE PYRAMID WITH THE EYE, AND ALL SATANIC SYMBOLS, MUST BE TAKEN OFF OUR MONEY.

3. ABOLISH FREE TRADE. WALK INTO ANY STORE AND SEE WHERE EVERYTHING IS MADE: COMMUNIST CHINA, WHICH IS NOTHING BUT A SLAVE LABOR CAMP RUN BY A GANG OF GODLESS MURDEROUS THUGS. BRING THE MANUFACTURING BASE BACK TO AMERICA. AND NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH A NATION THAT THRIVES OFF OF TYRANNY AND FEAR. TARIFFS ON IMPORTS REPLACE THE FEDERAL TAX SYSTEM. END ALL FEDERAL GASOLINE TAXES PERMANENTLY, AND ABOLISH THE IRS.

4. OUTLAW ABORTION PERMANENTLY. ANY GOVERNMENT THAT CONDONES AND SUPPORTS MURDER CANNOT AND WILL NOT SURVIVE. ABOLISH THE DEATH PENALTY. NO GOVERNMENT, KNOWING HOW CORRUPT HUMAN NATURE IS, CAN BE TRUSTED TO DECIDE WHO LIVES AND WHO DIES.

5. ABOLISH ALL UNCONSTITUTIONAL GUN CONTROL LAWS IMMEDIATELY AND PERMANENTLY. WE MUST BE FREE TO DEFEND OURSELVES WITHOUT FEAR OF AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL POLICE STATE PUNISHING US FOR PROTECTING OURSELVES OR OUR FAMILIES. ABOLISH THE PROPERTY TAX. THE RIGHTS OF THE CITIZENS TO DO AS THEY SEE FIT ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED UPON BY AN INTRUSIVE GOVERNMENT.

6. FROM PEARL HARBOR, TO JFK, FROM WACO, TO 9-11, EXPOSE ALL THE COVERUPS, LIES, AND OUTRAGES THAT HAVE BEEN COMMITTED BY THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT, IN THE GUISE OF THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT. PUT AN END TO ALL BLATANT OR COVERT ACTIONS BY THE CIA, NSA, FBI, AND BATF AGAINST TRUE AMERICANS FIGHTING ONE WORLD TYRANNY. END THE GOVERNMENT PERSECUTION OF CHRISTIAN PATRIOTS. OUR GOVERNMENT MUST BE USED TO PROMOTE TRUTH AND ENLIGHTEN THE PEOPLE, NOT MANIPULATE THE MASSES WITH LIES. TRUE AMERICANS, WHO ARE TRYING TO FREE AMERICA FROM THIS TYRANNY, MUST BE HELD UP AS HEROS.

7. PUT AN END TO ALL FEDERAL SUBSIDIES FOR HOUSING AND MEDICAL CARE. BACK IN THE MID 1960'S YOU COULD BUY A DECENT HOME ANYWHERE IN AMERICA FOR ABOUT $15,000, AND RENTS WERE CHEAP. SINCE ALL THE SUBSIDIES STARTED AT ABOUT THAT TIME, THE COST OF RENTING APARTMENTS AND BUYING HOMES HAS SKYROCKETED, PUTTING THE COST OF HOUSING OUT OF REACH FOR MANY PEOPLE, AND THERBY MAKING THEM DEPENDENT ON GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS. THE EXACT SAME THING IS TRUE OF MEDICAL CARE. BY PUTTING AN END TO THESE CORRUPT POLICIES, THE TRUCKLOADS OF FEDERAL MONEY POURING INTO THE HANDS OF THE GREEDY ELITE WILL CEASE, THERBY FORCING COSTS DOWN TO REASONABLE LEVELS.

8. PUT AN END TO ALL FEDERAL SUPPORT FOR PUBLIC EDUCATION. IT MUST BE REPLACED BY PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND HOME SCHOOLING. THIS WOULD NOT ONLY PUT AN END TO A FAILED AND CORRUPT GOVERNMENT INSTITUTION, IT WOULD ALSO STOP THE INSTITUTIONALIZED BRAINWASHING OF AMERICA'S CHILDREN.

9. THROW THE UNITED NATIONS OUT OF AMERICA, PHYSICALLY AND POLITICALLY. ALL U.S. FUNDING AND TIES TO THIS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND CORRUPT ORGANIZATION WOULD BE PERMANENTLY ENDED. THIS COMMUNIST ORGANIZATION COULD PASS ALL THE EDICTS THEY WANT TO, BUT THEY WILL BE OF NO EFFECT. END ALL FOREIGN AID, ENTANGLEMENTS, AND INTERFERENCE IN OTHER SOVEREIGN NATION'S AFFAIRS. NO MORE GLOBALIST WARS.

10. PUT AN END TO MANDATORY AUTOMOBILE INSURANCE, AND ALL OTHER STATE MANDATED INTRUSIONS INTO OUR PRIVACY, AND THEFTS OF OUR MONEY.

Just asking...

[resist_vote on paper]

108. I refuse walls where ever...

When writing the text for my HP, I did it in German of course, and the links to the interesting articles in German are articles and sites which I do know better.

When I translated the text into english, I had to find articles for my links that explain special problems, but I did not check all the other links on the site that I linked.

With the original article of your link I wanted to explain the risk of the dollar, and THE TEXT YOU HAVE POSTED above is not the link. Although I agree to point two.

The rest of your text is highly liberal stuff, which you will only understand, when you read the economy theories of the austrians, like Ludwig van Mises or Hayek, or Rothbard,
but I do know that these are theories which will never take place anymore.
People want to have a state-warranty for live and its risks. I do not agree with some of the theories and their consequences either.

But without a Centralbank, it would be affordable to pay for your own live and rule your own live.

I do believe, that all private Organizations would work better than the gov-facilities, but in financial circumstances like today its sounds nuts, to eliminate schools of the public.

You must understand the whole theory to be able to judge it. In 10 Points- never ever will that be accepted by somebody who never heard about the austrians.
The main point is, that the government should never take the power over the money!
It's too easy to fulfill election-promises with YOUR money, too easy to pay the war with YOUR money. Why should you need somebody to tell you, what to use as money?

[Dick Diver]

111. This was not just a link from the site you provided...

it was the "ABOUT US" link. These are the views of the people you are citing for your theories regarding a central bank. And, the points, in general, are not "liberal stuff."

Here's the one you agree with:

2. ABOLISH THE FEDERAL RESERVE IMMEDIATELY AND PERMANENTLY, THEN BACK OUR CURRENCY WITH GOLD AND SILVER. ALL DEBT "OWED" TO THE FEDERAL RESERVE WOULD THEN BE ELIMINATED. THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK IS A PRIVATE COMPANY. THE FACT IS THAT THE CONSTITUTION FORBIDS IT'S EXISTENCE. ARTICLE 1, SECTION 8 OF THE CONSTITUTION STATES THAT "CONGRESS SHALL HAVE THE POWER TO CREATE MONEY AND REGULATE THE VALUE THEREOF", NOT A BUNCH OF INTERNATIONAL BANKERS! TODAY, THE FED CONTROLS OUR ECONOMY, AND MAKES HUGE PROFITS BY PRINTING WORTHLESS PAPER, AND AMERICA IS SPENDING BILLIONS JUST TO PAY THE INTEREST ON IT! THIS UNCONSTITUTIONAL GANG OF BANDITS MUST BE EXPOSED FOR WHAT THEY ARE, AND ELIMINATED. ALSO, THE PYRAMID WITH THE EYE, AND ALL SATANIC SYMBOLS, MUST BE TAKEN OFF OUR MONEY.

(emphasis mine)

While I'm not familiar with the Austrians you've referenced, there was another Austrian who espoused many of these same principles, particularly this one, in the 1930s. He was able to quickly drop the code words "international bankers," however, and say what he really meant.

[resist_vote on paper]

114. The difference between one austrian and the other

is that the economy austrians want freedom. Its very simple: If you can not print money as much as you like, you can not afford yearlong lasting wars. You can not lie to your voters, because you can not pay your promises.
But I do not teach or study the austrians, I was just trying to explain what kind of theory your posted text comes from. If you are interested, you could check this site: http://blog.mises.org/blog/ ( again: I didn't check this site, its only the first that comes from google; this economical stuff is even too hard to understand for me in english, what I have read about it was in my language )

You should have realized that my goal is peace and freedom, and surely not a reinstalled Nazism.

But I understand your refer to AH, because the problems 70 years ago were in some cases similar like today, and watching raising fascism all over the world I fear the same consequences. The big global playing companies raise their profits and 95 % of the profits are going out of reach for the normal people. It does not get into circulation again. The countries get sold out, people go bankrupt and poorness increases. Thats the direct consequence of too many government in combination with a central bank, thats serving only the real big player. Why are the 400 richest Americans already billionaires, when for example 5 million people in Texas can't afford health insurance and have to go to Mexico to find medical help thats affordable?

But: thank you for your critical thought, I will spend more time to find a better article to explain the danger your currency is facing. My homepage has not gone online yet, there is some time left to do "my homework" better.

As you refer to AH: Do you see more corresponding things between now and then?
I do. And I don't feel comfortable with this sight.

All experiences with fiat money did end in war and suffer so far. Its my goal to avoid this, before its too late. There is not much time left, the huge bubble of liquidity can implode every day. Who will suffer most?

Those who don't learn from history will have to live it again. But I don't want to.
Thats why I learn and read all about this subject, including Nazism, fascism, propaganda systems, fiat money and central banks. I haven't found the solution yet. But the path we are following now will lead us into deep trouble, that much I have learned from history.

Yours, Sonja

[resist_vote on paper]

115. Would this site do better?

An example:

Jay Taylor, J. Taylor’s Gold and Technology Stocks
Ultimately, debt becomes such a burden that it can no longer be serviced. And when that happens systemically through the economy, as it does every 60 or 70 years in the Kondratieff cycle, we get a major economic contraction that results in massive bankruptcies, debt repudiation, high levels of unemployment, and plunging prices. If policy makers would not engage in manipulation, the markets would self-adjust on an ongoing basis in a gradual manner and there would be minimal upheaval. Unfortunately, politicians and their crony banker friends are helpless market manipulation addicts who can’t resist intervention. So, imbalances are pushed to an extreme until they reach a breaking point. The correction and restoration back to equilibrium is enormously painful and disruptive.

Why does the system ultimately break down? Why can’t Mr. Bernanke or his successor simply print enough money to avoid a day of reckoning forever? In very simple terms, there are two factors. First, the more excessive the amount of money, the more artificial is economic growth. That is, resources are allocated in a very inefficient manner. So for example, during the 1990s high-tech stock market bubble, we saw billions upon billions of dollars lost in tech stocks because those enterprises were not viable businesses.

Had we been on a gold standard and money had been hard to come by, capital resources would not have been misallocated. Instead we would have had capital allocated to businesses that would have generated profits. But here is the real problem. Even though money is carelessly thrown into mal investments as a result of the excessive creation of money via the banking system, the debts from which this money was manufactured remain to be repaid. And so you get a situation where debt is growing exponentially while income is constrained by the physical laws of nature. In other words, in a fiat currency system like the one we have now, in which debt is the raw material from which money is manufactured, it is possible—for a time—to create the illusion of wealth via the “printing press.” But it is not possible to create sufficient income from bad investments with which to repay the debt.

Secondly, I am not so sure that the Fed cannot afford to turn us into a deflationary collapse if it is faced with the prospects of the U.S. dollar becoming increasingly worthless vis-à-vis other currencies and the U.S. losing the benefits of owning the world’s reserve currency. If the dollar tanks, I do not see why we cannot expect a repeat of 1980, when Volcker saved the dollar by stomping on the monetary breaks and causing real interest rates to rise to their highest levels since the Civil War. Had Volcker not done that in 1980, the U.S. would have been toast back then. The same people, or at least the same ruling-elite families who were in charge then, are in charge now. I do not see why they would relinquish their power as “landlords of the world” now by allowing the dollar to head toward zero vis-à-vis other currencies and gold.

Yes, I know we have much more debt now and that we are a debtor nation and a similar policy now would really send us into Ian Gordon’s Kondratieff winter. While the elected officials and even the Fed chairman may need to act like they care about the pain and suffering of common, ordinary Americans, their willingness to inflate wealth away from us does not suggest they care two hoots about common people. I believe the establishment will inflate as long as they can get away with it, but that they will once again pull a 180 degree policy turn on monetary policy and interest rates if draconian measures are required to save the dollar as the world’s reserve currency and the Anglo-American controlled world economy.

I've found it here:

http://www.dollarcollapse.com/iNP/view.asp?ID=36

[Brian Stevens]

75. I am actually tired of demonstrations

There is no major impact in it anymore.

[pat_k]

79. They can demonstrate numbers, but we need dialog -- direct lobbying

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2336615&mesg_id=2337979

[resist_vote on paper]

80. This is only the thinking of the first marchers...

the eastern Germans marched the wall down peacefully.

The french revolution happened without computers, cellphones, TV or radio!

Isn't that amazing? How did they communicate?

[Brian Stevens]

98. That was then, this is now. NT

[resist_vote on paper]

110. and humans stay the same all time...yes! n/t

[Brian Stevens]

113. Doubtful. NT

[hsher]

86. Agreed

It's time for the Molotovs.

No, I am not joking.


www.yourmorningleibowitz.blogspot.com
Yer Daily Show comic strip

[resist_vote on paper]

109. You don't want to start the spiral of violence

because you can not win this game.

You give them the reason to fight you with more violence. You will have no backup in the masses when they send you to jail.

In my opinion, the only way to fight highly weaponed enemies is: tear them away the ground they are standing on, the support ( or the quiet ) of the masses.

Information about whats going on is all that counts.

Talk! to the people around you, not spew out your frustration only in the internet.
I have found out that the internet stops people talking to each other.

[jarnocan]

50. Ann Wright encouraged that as well, and that

being arrested might be an important step some of US may need to take. (not excact words) well she's been arrested a bunch of times. www.worldcantwait.net is a way we can organize this. She signed it, so did Mark Crispin Miller, Mike Mallory and lots of people we admire on here.

[Brian Stevens]

53. My guns will be blazing NT

[CorpGovActivist]

59. Outsource the Protests to the French?

Maybe we should import some French university students to do our protesting for us?

; )

- Dave

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

81. As A Seriously Intended Question, If We Couldn't Get Enough People Out

to vote in order to neutralize their ability to steal anything, what makes you think that afterwards you or anyone could possibly organize enough people to make a difference?

That's an honest question. Everyone knows how important the upcoming election is. If we can't find a way to fire up enough people to get out there and vote in large enough numbers to win handily, then I'd be hard pressed to give any credence to your or anyone else's ability to fire up enough people to take to the streets and make the slightest impact.

Rather than planning for some afterthought that isn't gonna do a damn thing, how bout preparing right now, when it matters, to get people to not take to the streets, but get off their asses and get to the polls. That is what is important and what we should be planning for. Cause it's a simple fact: If they steal the election by any means, the biggest reason would be because they had the ability to do so because our side didn't come out in big enough numbers to make the concept of stealing an election impossible.

So stop the afterthought too-late-now isn't gonna change a thing clarion calls, and use your passion instead to do something before hand, which is energizing anyone you know to get to the polls and vote.

[AtomicKitten]

87. having seen Mark Crispin Miller speak here in SF

this past week, I completely agree.

No more.

[savemefromdumbya]

89. people won't do that

like in Nazi Germany some people did take to the streets but look what happened. You would have to have the military stage a coup.

[John Gauger]

91. Don't worry about it

I really don't think that they are going to get away with another one. I know I will certainly be rounding people up for public denunciations and demands that democracy be restored.

[oldboy101]

92. The Republicans will be the ones put out on the streets.

We are going to take back the Congress this time for sure. It turns out that the October surprise we Democrats once feared is in fact the Republicans imploding from their own scandals of greed and lust. Just do your duty and vote, encourage others to do so too, and you will see that democracy truly does work.

[goclark]

95. Our only answer nt

[Kurovski]

97. Kick(nt)

:kick:

[chat_noir]

103. just a suggestion

When doing some "interesting" internet searching, use this: http://anonymouse.org/