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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 11:22 AM
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10 Kt Nuke = 4.8 Magnitude, that wasn't a Dud.
Edited on Tue Oct-10-06 12:00 PM by Jim4Wes
Based on the info below I estimate 3.4 Kilotons

http://www.iris.iris.edu/HQ/Bluebook/chapter5.magnitude.html

Chapter 5: Assessing Monitoring Requirements
Down to What Magnitude Level Should We Monitor?
Almost any desired detection level can theoretically be obtained by deploying a sufficient number of stations; although there might be disagreements over the number and types of stations needed to achieve a particular threshold. It should be kept in mind, however, that improvements in detection capability do not translate directly into improvements in treaty verification. Occurrences such as legitimate chemical explosions used for industrial purposes might ultimately limit the extent to which detected seismic events can be positively identified as nuclear tests.

As discussed previously, the question of "Down to what level should we monitor?" becomes a cost-benefit evaluation of how many resources we are willing to allocate to the task and how much uncertainty we are willing to accept. No independent assessment of monitoring requirements has been made of the detection and identification threshold required for treaty verification. In addition, no comprehensive evaluation has been made of the role of seismology in the larger picture of monitoring that includes photo reconnaissance, radiation sampling, and other intelligence gathering systems. As a result, assessments of required monitoring levels remain subjective. As we shall now discuss, these subjective assessments are, in turn, highly sensitive to the assumptions we make about the nuclear testing practices we wish to monitor.

A simple fission weapon will probably have an explosive yield of at least 10-30 kilotons.1 As seen in the following table, most first-time tests have been in this range:2
First-time Tests3
Yield (in kilotons)
United States (7/16/45) 21
U.S.S.R. (8/29/49) 20
Britain (10/3/52) 25
France (2/13/60) 60-70
China (10/16/64) 20
India (5/17/74) 10-15

For the initial test of a first generation nuclear weapon with a yield of 10 kilotons or greater, decoupling is not a credible scenario and therefore the monitoring of such activity is simple. Explosions of 10 kilotons or greater produce seismic signals of roughly magnitude 4.8. There are approximately 1,500 such events per year. These events can be readily detected and identified with present capabilities.

If we extend the monitoring requirement beyond the first-time tester to nations with advanced nuclear weapons, or assume that a more sophisticated nuclear weapon could be created or obtained, then the monitoring requirements become more extensive. For example, a one kiloton nuclear explosion creates a seismic signal with a magnitude of approximately 4.0. There are about 10,000 seismic events each year of magnitude four or greater. Even at this magnitude, however, there is little disagreement that all such events could be detected and identified readily with the networks of seismic stations that currently exist or are being installed.

If we extend the monitoring task further to a fraction of a kiloton, or assume that a country could decouple the explosion in a large underground cavity, the monitoring task becomes increasingly difficult. For example, if a country were able to decouple successfully a one kiloton explosion in a large underground cavity, the seismic signal generated by the explosion might be equivalent to 1/70 of a kiloton, or approximately 15 tons. A 15 ton explosion has a seismic magnitude of about 2.5. Although a detection threshold of magnitude 2.5 could be achieved, there are several hundreds of thousands of seismic events each year at or above that magnitude level. Even if discrimination was 99.9% accurate, there could still be many events that are not positively identified. Furthermore, at low magnitudes such as 2.5, one must not only distinguish possible small nuclear tests from earthquakes, but also from chemical explosions used for legitimate industrial purposes. In the United States, for example, there are hundreds of chemical explosions of approximately that size each month.

It should, however, be kept in mind that uncertainty in the monitoring system does not necessarily create opportunities to violate the treaty. As we shall see in the next section, the question of monitoring capability is very sensitive to how the question is asked. In particular, one must decide what are the required levels of confidence, and how credible various evasion scenarios are for different nations. As a result, assessments of verification limits are determined not only by technical calculations, but also by judgments about what constitute reasonable assumptions about deterrence, risks, and benefits.

Nuclear Testing and Nonproliferation


Acknowledgements

This study is a follow-up to the November 11-13, 1992 conference "The Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and the Role of Underground Testing", sponsored by the IRIS Consortium in cooperation with Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, the United States Geological Survey, and Princeton University. Presentations were made at the conference by the following individuals:

Dr. Paul Brown, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Dr. Robert Summers, U.S. Arms Control and Disarmament Agency
Mr. Aaron Tovish, Parliamentarians for Global Action
Dr. Zachary Davis, Congressional Research Service, Library of Congress
Dr. Ray Kidder, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Dr. Lynn Sykes, Columbia University
Dr. Jim Carothers, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Dr. Larry Turnbull, Central Intelligence Agency
Dr. Vitaly Adushkin, Russian Academy of Sciences
Mr. Christopher Paine, Natural Resources Defense Council
Dr. Lewis Duncan, University of Tulsa

http://www.iris.iris.edu/HQ/Bluebook/contents.html
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 11:27 AM
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1. Nuclear Weapon Effects Calculator:
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 11:56 AM
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2. I don't see a seismic calculator there
I am still coming up with something more than 1 kt. I estimate 3.4 kt based on the information in the OP.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 12:36 PM
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3. The yield estimate of 3.4 might be high
Edited on Tue Oct-10-06 12:56 PM by Jim4Wes
After plugging in 3 data points from the article it looks more like a approx 1.6 Kt yield. Still this does not look like a sub kt explosion.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 01:42 PM
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4. Some interesting opinion here on status of NK nuke program


>A plutonium device should produce a yield in
>the range of the 20 kilotons, like the one we
>dropped on Nagasaki. No one has ever dudded
>their first test of a simple fission device.
>North Korean nuclear scientists are now
>officially the worst ever.

I'm afraid the post's author just doesn't get it.

North Korea and Iran have had the complete design specifications for a Chinese missile-ready nuclear warhead of the plutonium implosion type for years. This design was provided by the Chinese government to Pakistan in the mid-1980's, according to the well-informed book,
"Shopping for Bombs: Nuclear Proliferation, Global Insecurity, and the Rise and Fall of the A.Q. Khan Network (Hardcover)" by Gordon Corera

http://www.amazon.com/Shopping-Bombs-Proliferation-Insecurity-Network/dp/0195304950/sr=1-1/qid=1160420449/ref=sr_1_1/002-3025152-6010440?ie=UTF8&s=books

CIA agents reputedly found the documents for this design in Khan's luggage about that time (Mid-1980s).

There is a long road between design specifications and manufacturing a fully capable plutonium implosion type ballistic missile-capable nuclear warhead. Neither North Korea nor Iran's nuclear programs -- which should be looked at as one large international program -- has top level quality control necessary for the design to work out of the box.

Since the NK nuke popped at some level between 550 ton and 4.2 KT of TNT, that makes it a "fizzle" -- a test failure.

However, since the NK's and Iranians are using a *proven design*, 1-2 more shots in the test series in next couple of months means Iran will have a dozen plutonium implosion Scud missile warheads about 100 days after the last test results come in.

The odds of the world seeing a nuclear war involving Iranian/NK nukes are about 50-50 before the end of Pres Bush's second term of office.

Posted by: Trent Telenko at October 9, 2006 03:56 PM

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/002832_comments.html
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/002832.html
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