Hastert won't resign because the next election has already been stolen...

[Fridays Child]

...and he intends to hang on to his power, at all costs. It suddenly became crystal clear to me, when I read this:

On Tuesday, evangelist K.A. Paul met with Hastert and asked him to resign, saying the scandal has become a distraction. Hastert would not comment on the conversation, but has said previously he plans to be House speaker again next year.

Hastert: I Will Fire Anyone on My Staff Who Covered Up Foley Matter

[demo dutch]

1. My fear exactly, especially with races that are close

[valerief]

2. It's looking that way more and more. nt

[leftchick]

3. I Have NO Doubt About It!

Everything is in place for the next theft. All one has to do is realize WHY the congress rubberstamps bush's unitary decisions and changes laws to make him a defacto dictator. BECAUSE THERE WILL NEVER be another Democrat in the WH!

[William769]

8. Then why bother posting on a political board?

:eyes:

[jarnocan]

12. ? because we have to take ACTION maybe????

http://michaelmoore.com/mustread/index.php?id=740

We Want our Country Back and
The Troops Home from Iraq
Massive Sit-in, White House
November 7th and 8th

first vote early / absentee http://www.fvap.gov/links/statelinks.html

[William769]

18. If you read her post there is no hope. Thats what I was addressing.

[Tellurian]

75. Yes, sadly, I agree..

So, we need to figure out how it will be done this time..

I'm sure it will be something special, don't you?

[William769]

4. O ye of little faith. Stolen elections are a thing of the past.

Well at least in the election cycle. Call me an optimist if you want, but I wager money that the Democrats take control of the House this election.

[alcibiades_mystery]

5. Defeatist bullshit

Get a hold of yourself.

[Fridays Child]

27. I said that in 2002 and 2004. Now, sadly...

...I actually do have "a hold of myself." If we win, it will be because the GOP can't quite pull it off, managing only to turn a landslide into a squeaker.

Believe me, I'll gladly take the squeaker but I'm sorry I can't be more hopeful. I just don't think the nation's discontent has reached the necessary critical mass to prevail over vote fraud so massive that it makes 2004 look like child's play--and to expect anything less than that level of fraud from the party in power is naive.

[Tellurian]

74. No, it's not defeatist BS..

It's always a good idea to be prepared for the worst and have Plan B
in place to turn to, if theft is a distinct possibility.

So lets see:

With Gore..it was the use of Diebold and the SCOTUS used for the Win.

With Kerry.. it was theft using some of Diebold's gifts and boxes of unused ballots
converted to votes for Bush that took him out of contention for a recount.

One thing for sure...they use different combinations of fraud and theft to accomplish an almost
untraceable theft..So, any ideas what combinations they will use this time?

Have we figured out how to prove the Diebold system has created a theft, after the fact?

[donheld]

114. I wish it was bullshit

and I hope your right, but I'm afraid it may not be. What does getting a hold of "myself" have to do with anything. I'm at work. It's frowned upon to take hold of ones self on the job.

[longship]

6. Not going to happen this time.

Sorry to bust your doom and gloom, but we're going to probably get a majority in both the House and the Senate. The Repukes may try some things but there's just too many races involved and the margins are just too large.

But that's why we all have to work hard to see to it that the Dems get all they deserve. Get on the ground on election day. Volunteer as a poll watcher or poll worker. Become an "official witness". Enlist media to support voter's rights. Enlist lawyers to interdict funny business.

Don't just talk about stolen elections. Do something about it.

[n2doc]

7. Or he is delusional. He can't imagine losing.

I can hope, can't I? We will see on Nov. 7th.

[KingFlorez]

9. Not this again

Sometimes I think some people here secretly want these things to happen, just so there will be something to complain about

[William769]

10. Please note , it always seems to be the same people.

That should tell you something.

[leftchick]

14. yes

the realists.

:eyes:

[William769]

16. More like chicken little!

THE SKY IS FALLING!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!! :rofl:

[leftchick]

23. as someone who has worked for verified voting in my state

for two years and we have made zero gain, in part because of Democrats in congress not getting it, I am hardly chicken little. Unless there is a miraculous event which requires hand counted paper ballots, at the very least in key states where there are DREs, nothing will change at this late date.

I see what power has done to so many Democrats and It has made them blind to the election fraud issue. It is either that or collusion with the DRE vendors which has happened in a few other states. You need to spend some time in the election forum before calling people names.

here is one for you....

[William769]

25. As someone who has faith in the Democratic party

I still stand by my statement.

[leftchick]

28. happy dreams....

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

they have not let us down yet when contesting stolen elections now have they?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Name removed]

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[Fridays Child]

20. Would you care to address me directly with your remark?

I take a backseat to NOBODY in my passion to see the GOP kicked to the curb. If you believe that you have some proof to the contrary, take it up with me, not with another poster.

[William769]

22. This OP is not worth addressing directly.

[leftchick]

24. then why bother posting in it and calling people names?

unless you are trying to start a flame war?

[William769]

26. No flame war

Sometimes the truth hurts.

[Fridays Child]

29. If you can't stand your ground, don't start the argument.

[William769]

31. What argument did I start.

Speaking of "standing ground" Wheres your proof that the next election is already stolen? That cuts both ways.

[Fridays Child]

39. You accused me of starting other threads similar to this one...

...and called me "Chicken Little." But you're not arguing. Yeah, right. And asking for my proof that the next election is already stolen is not continuing the argument that you didn't pick with me. Uh huh.

How about if you tell me why it is that you think the GOP has suddenly given up its election-stealing ways?

The previous stolen elections were just pranks and Republicans are really quite ethical?

They've decided that they don't want a permanent Republican majority, after all?

There's no way they can steal the next one because the Democratic leadership has been all over this issue, relentlessly pushing local and national verified voting legislation?

I'm waiting...

[William769]

44. You'll just have to keep waiting.

I made a generalization, if you take it to heart thats your problem.

Like I said you still offer no proof that the election has already been stolen. I wouldn't waste any more money on crystal balls.

[Fridays Child]

48. This response is exactly what I expected. n/t

[William769]

54. So is yours.

[leftchick]

36. what an in depth reply

my post stands confirmed.

[William769]

55. You mean this one?

"BECAUSE THERE WILL NEVER be another Democrat in the WH!"
:rofl:

[Fridays Child]

33. "Faith" and name-calling are...

...two attributes that typically define the opposition. We, on the other hand, are part of that inconvenient reality-based community.

As I said in another post, above, if we win, it will be because the GOP can't quite pull it off, managing only to turn a landslide into a squeaker. I just don't think the nation's discontent has reached the necessary critical mass to prevail over vote fraud so massive that it makes 2004 look like child's play--and to expect anything less than that level of fraud from the party in power is naive.

[leftchick]

37. very well put FC...

I quit getting my hopes up a long time ago.

[onenote]

38. but you said it was already stolen

Your original post didn't seem to leave open the possibility that the Democrats could win, even in a "squeaker". Maybe if you're OP had been a bit less extreme sounding, raising concern about the election being stolen rather declaring it a fait accompli, some people wouldn't have reacted the way they did.

[Fridays Child]

42. "Desperate times...."

Sometimes, the sky really is falling.

[William769]

45. See I'm not the only one.

[Name removed]

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[jberryhill]

64. The intent is to discourage people from voting

Kinda makes you wonder.

Resignation or not, in all probability Hastert won't be speaker when the new Congress convenes in January. Hastert and his advisors have probably already made the calculation that a resignation hurts them more than helps them.

Figure - if Hastert resigns, then it'll only irritate his base. To any voter wants a Hastert resignation would make a difference, one can safely assume that they are leaning against the R's in the first place.

It makes no political sense for Hastert to resign, because it won't help him or his party. They probably figure that hoping this thing blows over or "something else" happens between now and November 7.

As it stands now, however, he's out one way or the other.

[Fridays Child]

69. You don't know me and you certainly don't know my intent.

Those who do know me would NEVER make such an asinine remark.

[jberryhill]

86. You are correct

Therefore the vast majority of people, who do not know you, must infer your intent on the basis of observation of behavior.

[Roon]

121. "something else" happens between now and November 7.

Something else will happen, I guarantee it.

[jberryhill]

124. Oh, I think it already did...

Now that we've heard from North Korea, it is time for Bush's other enablers - Bin Laden, Chavez, Ahmadinejad, etc. - to make their own inimitable campaign "contributions".

[longship]

91. Doom and gloom screechers.

"The election is going to be *stolen*."
"Run away!!! Don't vote. Your vote won't counted anyway!!!!"

This is not my idea of positive advocacy.

Why don't we read:

"Let's get something together on the ground on election day to hold these assholes accountable. We're talking about us people taking back our country. Volunteer as a poll watcher, a poll worker, a media liason, a lawyer to file timely court filings, etc."

But that's *NOT* what we're reading. Instead, it's always the same damned thing. Chicken Little screeching, "It'll be stolen!!!!" but no solutions offered.

Sick and tired of these folks.

[suziedemocrat]

106. Why do you think the election WON'T be stolen?

I want to have hope, but what should I base it on. I was an election worker in 2004 and you can't "monitor" a machine without a paper trail. I don't want to give up hope, but I'm a realist, and you haven't given me any basis for hope.

I'm not one of the SAME ones you're referring too, and which I find offensive, but I came to DU in 2004 right after the election because of election fraud. I've been following the story and noticing how laws have not changed, precincts still use Diebold, etc.

So tell me WHY should I have hope? The only thing I can think of is if the margins are too large for them to steal. They would have better luck stealing a close election. But, they have gotten pretty bold lately, so who knows?

[Fridays Child]

15. You're as wrong as Hogan's goat.

It is the last thing I want to see happen on election day. If I did want it, I wouldn't go out and vote for every damn D on the ticket, no matter what I think of the candidate.

And I could just as easily accuse you of wanting it to happen by saying that your response to my OP proves you don't want people to deal with the possibility that the next election could be stolen.

[Cameron27]

11. Not gonna happen...not this time.

I just don't believe that at all.

[helderheid]

59. why not this time? 2000, 2002, 2004... I see a pattern here.

[slackmaster]

13. No, Hastert is getting senile

:tinfoilhat:

[Homer Wells]

17. I am cautiously optimistic about this election

There is gonna be one helluva bright spotlight on any attempts at election fraud this time around. The media refused to even consider the idea of fraud at the election in 2004, but with the Emperor totally out of the "capital" he claimed he earned in '04, and cracks appearing everywhere in their power structure, I think the media will not be so terrified of them this time around.
At least I HOPE so!

:grouphug:

[LiberalUprising]

84. Who owns the media?

You will only hear what they want you to hear

[elocs]

19. If the Democrats win one or both Houses of Congress

I hope that all who predict the election will be stolen will post about how they are wrong. I think that some of this is reverse psychology where "if I say the election will be stolen, then it won't" and I can understand some of that. At this time it looks good for Democrats, but these races are not national races--they are in each individual district or state. Voters may soundly disapprove of Bush and Republicans in general, but love their own Congressperson or Senator. We need to face the fact that there are places which more people prefer a Republican to a Democrat without vote stealing.
I hope the time comes that we, as Democrats, can accept a defeat as being legitimate whereas now every loss by a Democrat seems to be presented as a stolen election. There are places and people who, beyond all reason and logic and compassion, prefer a Republican to a Democrat.

[mucifer]

21. hate to say it, they won't need to steal it. hastard is STILL very popular

there. Even the Chicago Trib had to refer to John Laesch as "hastard's opponent" in an article about him. He has 150,000 dollars in his war chest hastard has millions. Of course Laesch is a very bright guy who was in the navy and an intelligence analyst in Bahrain, monitoring terrorist activity and analyzing foreign political and military structures. For his outstanding service to our nation, John received numerous citations and meritoriously rose 5 ranks within 3 short years.

Here's his website if you guys wanna send him a few bucks. He could use it:

http://www.john06.com/


BTW John is wayyyyyyyyyy behind in the polls and the district is covered in big ugly hastard signs. Unless things change I dont think they are gonna need to steal this one. But, maybe John will have better name recognition in 2 years.

[april]

32. diden't Bush say the same thing? Nothing happened

[WilliamPitt]

34. I'm concerned

:eyes:

[jarnocan]

41. I think we all are and nuts if we aren't -some more hopeful

than others. I want to be ready to take action. WILL- I really admire you- I think we should all do what we can in the usual manor- volunteer/VOTE. BUT then I plan to hit the streets.
I'm also I am worried that they may take drastic action before the election.
The paper ballot/verifiable thing- it's so inexcusable at this point. I'm angry, but we should try not to get angry at each other.

[Fridays Child]

50. You're a breath of fresh air on this thread.

It's a mystery to me that my original post, however gloomy, would provide the justification for DUers to verbally attack me. Will Pitt didn't do that but more than a few others did. It's exceedingly odd and makes me seriously wonder about their agenda.

[William769]

61. Maybe it's the other way around.

Makes us wonder about your agenda.

[LiberalUprising]

85. Did you say something?

[helderheid]

60. VERY well said. I expect them to steal it, however, I am still working on

campaigns and GOTV because we need to be SO FAR ahead in the polls that when it's stolen, it will be obvious.

[Fridays Child]

43. Look. If we take either House, I'll eat your (chocolate) hat.

All I'm saying is that, like many other members of the GOP, including Bush, Hastert speaks with the assurance of a man who knows something.

[Tellurian]

79. Yep They aren't worried one bit...when they should be..

That behavior doesn't compute.

I have a notion of how this election will be stolen.
but I would never post it here...well..you know.

The idea of how it will be done this time is original.
But not original for them, because I believe they can pull it off.

And further, if they succeed this time. There won't be an election in 08".

[Fridays Child]

88. You said it better than I did: they aren't worried when they should be.

If I had been more clear, perhaps this thread wouldn't have turned into an "attack the messenger" free-for-all. :shrug:

[Tellurian]

92. Ah, no..you're thick skinned. I can tell..

because you believe in what your saying.. it's not empty rhetoric..

I do the same thing...thats how I know you really believe in what you've written.

You're not here to burst anyone's bubble, neither am I..
I want to win and much as anyone else and I'm aware of whats at stake if we lose.

Any thoughts on how it will happen this time?

[leftchick]

103. I believe it will happen as before

all of the elements are already in place and a new twist. I read the other day of RNC phone calls to Dems encouraging them to vote using absentee ballots. Many verified voting folks are discouraging using them because they are so easily destroyed. They are also counted using optiscans in many places.

The other ways of cheating will be the same old, voter purges, intimidation at the polls, lack of machines in heavily dem districts. After watching the Princeton demonstration I would bet there are hundreds of thousands of vote flips this time around in all of those DREs.

I am curious what your thoughts are.

[spoony]

99. Does ANYTHING they do compute?

You're drawing conclusions based on what you'd expect reasonable people to do in a situation, but they're not. Yes they should be worried. And O'reilly should have been embarrassed being revealed as a perverted hypocrite. He wasn't. * should have been worried they wouldn't find any WMDs to justify his war, but he wasn't.

It's that oblivious carelessness that defines everything they do. They don't seem to think about tomorrow when there are powers they could be abusing today.

[greyl]

87. "speaks with the assurance of a man who knows something"

So does Sylvia Browne. So does Bill O'reilly. Your logic is totally absent on this one.
How the hell do you find evidence that the next election is stolen in the story that Hastert met with a loon who thinks the apocalypse is being delayed?

[phylny]

112. Do you expect Hastert to say, "I won't resign, but I really don't think

we'll be in the majority after the election."?

[hlthe2b]

35. Damn... aren't you all just the "eternal optomists?"

Shall I go drive over a cliff now, or wait a few more minutes?

:sarcasm:

Look, I'm worried too. Who wouldn't be, but let's not give into this. Hang on to the strong belief that our hard work to get EVERYONE we can to the polls will overwhelm any shenanigans they play... Please!

[leftchick]

52. I am sorry

been there done that in 2004 and I have not seen any remarkable change from Democrats on this issue in two years. I will vote all Dem again with no real expectation it will count. I have Diebold TS machines in my precinct. :(

[stepnw1f]

57. LOL... your post has me stiches (nt)

[Ariana Celeste]

40. I don't see how you reached that conclusion.

I guess I better just skip voting then, eh? :eyes:

[Atman]

46. No kidding.

He knows there is no need to resign...he'll still be speaker come November, and nothing is going to change that.

.

[Balbus]

47. I guess I'm free November 7th then since there's no use in voting.

[jberryhill]

65. Yup...

You got it.

Stay away from the polls. Don't vote. Election already stolen. No need for you to bother.

[patrick t. cakes]

51. i have nothing but utmost hope

for these elections :thumbsup:
but i wouldnt
put anything past bushco.

they are evil:evilfrown:

[windbreeze]

53. I just have to ask....

Is Hastert taking a line from Bush's playbook?

I lol today when I read what he said...."I will fire anyone on my staff who covered up Foley matter"...sure sounds familiar...kinda like...I will fire anyone in my administration who was responsible for outing Valerie Plame....

Well, Hastert....you first....take a hike, because you yourself, covered it up...
wb

[OllieLotte]

56. I believe Hastert

I think that fat boob really is that incompetent and indifferent.

[helderheid]

58. exactly right - that's why we must stay VIGILANT and keep as much

distance ahead in the polls as possible so it will be sooooo obvious they stole it no one could deny it.

[Fridays Child]

62. That's what I'm thinking. Make it so obvious that the media...

...and good people will wake up and take action.

It occurred to me that, if we could win control, it would be our only chance to pass legislation--up to and including constitutional amendments, if necessary--making it as close to impossible as we can for the vote to ever be stolen again. After all, with Dems in power, you know that the 'pukes will jump on that bandwagon in droves. When they've benefitted from the fraud, they've turned away from doing the right thing but, if we win, it will be a unique opportunity to get them to agree with us on this issue.

[helderheid]

77. good fucking point

[jberryhill]

63. What is the point of Hastert resigning?

This Congress is out of session now, and is only going to have one more brief lame duck session after the elections. Then on January 20, a new Congress convenes.

Hastert, at the moment, is presiding over NOTHING as the Speaker, so the utility of him resigning, when it appears that Democrats will seat a majority on January 20, utterly escapes me.

The headline should be exactly the opposite - "Hastert refuses to resign because the elections will effectively end his term"

This "election already stolen, no need for you to vote" stuff is irritating.

[BlooInBloo]

66. Damn hopelessness trolls.

[Fridays Child]

67. What is wrong with people?

My observation may be gloomy but I'm no fucking troll and I resent like hell being called one. Read my posts in this thread, try to grasp the context in which my remarks have been made, and see if you can possibly refrain from derogatory name-calling of someone you don't even know.

There is a real sickness pervading DU that causes some members to verbally attack good and decent liberals like me for no damn good reason, and I am sick of it.

[BlooInBloo]

71. Nah. Just the ones who spread hopelessness....

... The most common form of it is something equivalent to "the election has already been lost".

Bitch all you want. I'll attack hopelessness wherever I find it. It's hopelessness *specifically* that leads to idiot republican voters. I'll be damned if I stand by and let hopelessness-mongers make more of *them*.

So bitch, whine, flag, alert all you want. As long as you're spreading hopelessness, I'll be there. Unless I'm out drinking, of course. :)

[Fridays Child]

73. Did somebody hit "alert" on you? It wasn't me.

But I will say that you're something of a walking contradiction in terms--a Pollyanna with major attitude. :eyes:

[BlooInBloo]

78. Wow. A hopeless genius. It was an E-X-A-M-P-L-E...

... But don't worry - it's only the hopelessness that attracts me to these posts. You're welcome to be as much of a genius as you like, and I won't say much.

[Tellurian]

90. The worst thing you can do is confuse hopelessness with CAUTION..

Neither one of us have said we're going to lose no matter what..
But if we don't start the investigation process to prevent theft
by the already known conventional methods; well then, it's bound to happen again.

We have the time to explore and correct certain voting programs
that if we can't prevent the theft of votes, there should be a way to prove
votes were stolen AFTER the fact.

[Tellurian]

81. FC...are you kidding; I am thrilled you brought this topic up here..

Unfortunately, I would not be able to discuss my contention publicly here-

My intention by mentioning it here is..how to prevent it happening.
at least in using a hypothesis approach and figuring how to get all the bases covered.

[Fridays Child]

95. Can we prevent it? If you have any ideas, I'm all ears, and...

...unlike a disturbing number of people here, I don't verbally attack my fellow DUers. You and many others (even some who disagree with me) have been quite reasonable but there have been some veritable junkyard dogs on this thread.

[JeffR]

68. Maybe Hastert is just indulging in a little optimism

The sort of thing we could use more of around here.:eyes:

What do you expect him (or Cheney or the rest of them) to say? We're done for, we're going to get trounced? I think they will get trounced, and I think they think they will. But they're sure not going to walk around conceding defeat in advance, are they now?

And I won't accuse you of being a troll, because I know you're not. Your post, though, really isn't very helpful at this point in time, as the negativity of many of the responses indicates.

[Fridays Child]

72. Thank you for keeping your powder dry.

It's downright charitable of you, compared to some of the responses I've received here. However, it should be noted that a significant number of people agree with me, too.

As to whether my post is helpful or not, I guess "helpful," in your sense of the word, wasn't really what I was after. My only real point was that I've seen Hastert's cocksure attitude elsewhere in the GOP, specifically from Bush, in 2000 and 2004. When I read Hastert's statement, the hairs on the back of my neck stood on end. We're up against it and I can't fathom the "attack the messenger" crap from those who supposedly share my ideals and concern for this country.

I'm also being accused of trying to discourage people from voting. All I can say to that is I'm not responsible for how people react to the truth. It would be utterly foolish to stop trying to do the right thing, in the face of adversity. And, as helderheid has so ably pointed out, voting is more important than ever before because turnout in favor of Democrats will make the theft abundantly obvious, which is exactly what we need.

[NanceGreggs]

76. I have to take issue with the quote:

"I'm not responsible for how people react to the truth."

Exactly what truth is that? You started this thread with a foregone conclusion that this election has already been stolen, all on the basis of one quote from Dennis Hastert(!)

That is your theory, your personal belief, your opinion -- all of which you are entitled to hold. But to refer to that opinion as 'the truth' is a bit much.

I'm not sure what you are expecting Hastert, or any other Republican, to say at this point in the game. "Honestly, we're all washed up. Yeah, we're all packing up our offices, posting resumes on Craigslist hoping to find other work. The voting will just be a formality; we're toast and we're trying to come to terms with that. As for me, personally, my career is totally over."

Think about it: WHAT on earth are you expecting them to say? Does staying on-message and remaining optimistic in the face of disastrous poll numbers and increasingly bad news mean 'the fix is in'? Or does it simply mean that they're acting like politicians - because that's what they are?

[Fridays Child]

94. The truth is that the elections of 2000, 2002, and 2004 were stolen.

The truth is that the GOP is not considering changing its ways or vacating its objective of a permanent Republican majority, at any cost.

And what I expect Hastert or his ilk to say is immaterial. Have you ever read or heard something that made the hair on the back of your neck stand on end? That's how Hastert's remark struck me.

These are the truths to which I referred.

I don't have a problem with respectful discussion but I have been repeatedly accused of trying to discourage people from voting, and that's grossly unfair.

[NanceGreggs]

120. You started this thread by stating, right in the title ...

... that "the next election HAS ALREADY BEEN STOLEN."

Past tense, fait accompli: HAS BEEN STOLEN.

You then react in horror when accused of discouraging people from voting. Gee, I wonder why people would think that?

"Your plane took off two hours ago. But I'm not trying to discourage you from getting to the airport in hopes of still catching it."

And I'm still at a loss as to why the statement you quoted in your OP was so mind-blowing. First of all, OF COURSE that's what he would say. Secondly, the statement says Hastert stated PREVIOUSLY that he intends to remain as speaker next year. When was 'previously'? An hour ago? A month ago? A year ago?

Anyway, it's a moot point. Did I ever hear a statement that made the hair on the back of my neck stand up? Sure. But never a statement by a politician predicting himself as the winner in an election.

If ever a politician said otherwise, THAT would be truly remarkable.

[JeffR]

110. By helpful, I mean to imply that vigilance & readiness

are absolutely called for no matter what the polls say, but so is optimism. Adducing this Hastert quote - or a quote of a quote - is no more accurate a predictor of November than ornithomancy or dice.

Did they steal 2000 and 2004? Yep. 2002? I'm not convinced. A midterm is a very different set of circumstances than a presidential election year. Are they going to do their utmost to suppress Democratic turnout, especially in minority areas? Yep again. Can the machines be trusted? No, they cannot. Does this mean they're going to cheat their way into holding their majorities? Again, I'm not convinced. And if they do, then Americans better be prepared to look to the Ukraine and Mexico for inspiration. But until or unless that all comes to pass, my attitude is simply this: we have the numbers and the will to win this, and we are going to win.

[Blue_In_AK]

80. Hey, JeffR (and Nance, too, since I see you're here)

How ya doin'? I just came from a campaign fundraiser for our very fabulous House candidate and I'm feeling so optimistic. The momentum for her just keeps building and building (and the contributions keep rolling in). Don Young has even had to resort to running a negative ad against her. Now, THAT'S something. As long as I've been in Alaska (since 1975), I've never heard him run a negative ad because he never before thought he needed to. He's running scared, and we're loving it. Get this -- in the ad he says in horrified tones, "My opponent ran as a GREEN for governor in 2002 (true), and she favors legalizing GAY MARRIAGE and MEDICAL MARIJUANA." Oooh, booga, booga, booga.

That's a "negative" ad???? Sounds like somebody I want to vote for. :rofl:

Watch out for Alaska ... we could surprise EVERYONE.

http://www.bensonforcongress.com/

[JeffR]

108. Hey, Blue

Turned off the computer just before you posted this! Sounds like someone's feeling the heat in Alaska, huh? His party has been salivating over ANWR oil for 6 years but he's gonna keep Alaskans safe from gays and potheads. Ah, Republican values. As the Fuehrer says, "Bring 'em on."

Have a good trip!:hi:

[threadkillaz]

70. This land is our land.

[colinmom71]

82. Hastert won't resign for one simple reason...

Because to do so would be the political P.R. equivalent of admitting guilt to the allegation that he covered up the Foley page scandal. And that would make him rather vulnerable in the upcoming election...

[Tellurian]

83. Yes, and Hastert told the Evangelicals to Stand down today..

For one if they don't, Bush will shut them off in a heartbeat..

Secondly, if they stand with him...Their patience will be rewarded 10 fold!

Thats the language they understand.

[Kool Kitty]

89. I agree with you.

Hastert should be very worried. I love what he said, "If anyone in my office covered this up, they're gone." What I don't understand is that he would even say that. How fucking incompetent are these morons? Bush said the same crap about the Plame leak. Don't they know what is going on with their own employees? Of course they do. Hastert knew all about this and covered it up. Didn't one of these people say they told him about it? More than one, actually. Foley was going to retire, for God's sake, and they asked him to run again. And took $100,000 from him. Party of values, my fat ass. What does it take to get rid of one of these bums? Hastert, Foley, Rumsfeld, Rice, Brownie, Chertoff. If any of us did our jobs one-tenth as badly as these people, we'd be on unemployment. Maybe jail.

As much as I would like to think that people are waking up, I am still very worried about the upcoming elections. I don't trust the machines, and I am hoping I am wrong and will be pleasantly surprised.

Just put me down as cautious, cautiously optimistic.

[farmboxer]

93. It appears Republicans are planning on stolen elections again, but

that will not keep me from voting. If enough of us vote, keep recoreds, such as exit polls, and Republicans still win, I think there will be a huge protest this time, somewhat like Mexico, and there should be!

[Fridays Child]

96. This is similar to what helderheid is saying and I agree with you both.

[Duppers]

97. if you really think this, then

get away from your keyboard, go have a joint and stop posting; it's useless by your standards. Or get your passport in order and chose another country.

I stopped posting on one forum because of this defeatist shit. It hurts my morale and I have to think there's a chance in order to keep fighting.


:mad:

[Fridays Child]

98. I don't think it's useless.

If my post is capable of taking the wind out of your sails, you give away your own power far too easily. You might want to take your own advice and back away from the keyboard for a little while. But I won't recommend that you have a joint. It might harm your vulnerable morale.

[Duppers]

100. I thought about replying

I thought about countering your sweet sarcasm with some of my own, but that's counterproductive.

Please explain why you don't think posting here is useless if we've lost our elections?
Why is there hope?
Why fight if it's a lost cause?

[Fridays Child]

102. I wasn't being sarcastic. n/t

[Duppers]

107. yeah. well then, answer my questions

what's the matter? can't come up with any answers?

now, you'll just be bitchy again. :)

[greyl]

111. That, I doubt. nt

[Duppers]

117. hey buddy

we're right about her.

Good to see ya. :)

[greyl]

118. Yeah, I feel good about that. :)

:thumbsup:

[Duppers]

115. ANSWER MY QUESTIONS, Friday person

Or is it impossible for you to do anything but be negative and sarcastic?

Listen woman, I'm just as fucking tough as you are and I think you can't back your words!!

Prove it!!

[Fridays Child]

119. Why are you being so belligerent?

Is it because I've been away from my computer for a few hours? Given that you suggested I leave my keyboard, it's rather strange that you would, now, demand an immediate response to your posts. Again, that's a serious observation and not sarcasm, regardless of what you think.

In the months before the 2004 election, when it was anything but clear that Bush had enough support to win, he was asked the question, "what if you lose." His matter-of-fact response, that he wasn't going to lose, chilled me to the bone. I "knew" right then and there that "the fix was in" and, as it turned out, the election really was hijacked. I started this thread to express my similar intuition regarding Hastert's assertion.

As I've already told you, though, I do not believe that it's useless to vote. In fact, I agree with helderheid that, in the face of GOP electoral fraud, it's actually critical to vote. The exchange between helderheid and me is up thread. In any case, I don't think that the situation is hopeless. I recognize that no society of laws has ever proven to be exempt from extinction and, as a nation, we are in great peril, right now. But I haven't lost all hope. If I had, I'd be taking my family and leaving this country.

Now, I have a long history of engaging in respectful debate at DU. I've been here pretty much since the beginning, and my credentials are quite intact. I'm all for thoughtful discussion and you can even challenge me. However, I'm very troubled by your chest-thumping ("Listen woman, I'm just as fucking tough as you are...."), and your throwing down of the gauntlet by demanding that I prove something. Frankly, I never thought that an exchange in this forum could leave me feeling that I had been physically threatened but your vituperations have caused me to change my mind about that. :(

[Duppers]

126. thank you

I was taking cues from your post above and in particular this: "It might harm your vulnerable morale." And the fact that you chose not to answer my questions but again put me down -- my morale is not that vulnerable and I took your choice of words as a put-down.

I am fully aware of the disheartening voting / voting machine situation. My hopes are that we have a wide enough margin in many of the races to overcome their shit. I want heads to roll and folks in the street if they pull their stunts again. If I thought I could discourage anyone from voting, I would not post anything like you did in your OP. We need every vote!

My apologies for over-reacting. I had so much negative stuff going on.

[Fridays Child]

127. I appreciate this.

I have disheartening moments, too, but it's never my intention to bring anyone down. To the contrary, I'm almost always the one to offer encouragement to my fellow DUers. Anyway, your response is challenging but honest and kind, as well. That means a lot to me and I hope we'll have other opportunities to discuss, argue, disagree, and even agree, on issues, in the future.

[and-justice-for-all]

101. Good luck with that Hastert.....

...Your party has been hyJacked by insane, theocratic Nationlist with a very, very, VERY evil agenda. Now you see what happens when religious ideologies get tangled in Democracy...it all becomes lunacy with evangical prophicidal maniacs at the wheel of the short bus thats head for the cliff. Which should reach the bottom on or around November 7th, 2006. At the buring is not the carcasis of those theocractic repuke buring at the expense of over priced fuel, its IMPEACHMENT ASSHOLES!

ITS OVER HASTERT, get over it. We are voting you and your piss poor party of fascist asshats to the unemployment line. So make your reservations at the nearest old-folks home where you and a number of your constituents will remain until your last breath.

[B Calm]

104. Rush Limbaugh has been saying the cons will pick up 25 to 30 seats

[dogday]

109. Foley alone has picked up

how many seats? :sarcasm:

[NotGivingUp]

105. what a bunch of crap..."i have faith"..."i'm an optimist"....open

your eyes folks...THE PROBLEM HAS NOT BEEN SOLVED!!!

[roguevalley]

113. he won't resign because he's a fat fuck with a closet full of scandals

and an ego the size of asia.

[ProfessorGAC]

116. Puhleaze!

That is a leap of logic of galactic proportion.
The Professor

[WI_DEM]

122. But what will happen if the Dems do win congress?

what will the explanation be then?

[slackmaster]

125. Obviously that the Democrats stole it

At least that's what the demagogues on the GOP side will be saying.

[ronnykmarshall]

123. @$&*#@!!!

[William769]

128. Cosider the source here ronny.