outing and smoking

[leftofthedial]

those are the two most important subjects here on the day (and the day after) habeas corpus was gutted like a slaughterhouse pig?

sheesh, people . . .

[nam78_two]

1. yeah-seriously, k&r/nt

[Malikshah]

2. Damn...you caught them. Weapons of Mass Distraction-- that

appears to have been the watchword of the day/week

One would have thought that folks would be just a bit more savvy.

Curses! Foiled Again!

[leftofthedial]

14. down with all meat eaters AND vegetarians

down with smokers AND non-smokers
down with gays AND straights AND those who don't ask AND those who do ask AND those who don't tell AND those who tell

down with all of them

have you seen the cute pictures of my cat?


OF COURSE YOU HAVEN'T, because I hate cats!

down with cats, too.

blah blah blah

we've returned to the middle ages and it only took six years.

[radfringe]

15. how do you feel about drinkers?

:rofl:

[radfringe]

16. meanwhile...

Kudra - Remote-catty...


Kudra - the wood nymph


Gato aka Catzilla


Calypso - checkmated


Dax - did someone say cookie?


Sunny - where's the wabbit? (with my niece)


Mint - is that a wabbit? (with my other niece)


no photo available for Dutchess or poohkah... sorry

[leftofthedial]

19. way cute.

velcro for the remotes?

[Pawel K]

30. Catzilla looks like my cat and the remote in the first picture is from my

bedroom TV. What were you doing in my house buddy???

[leftofthedial]

18. drinking is about all that's left to do

as long as you aren't one of those who smokes only when drinking

[Pawel K]

31. lol I love that excuse, I don't smoke...unless Im drinking.

:rofl:

That's like saying I dont do coke, I just like the way it smells.

[youthere]

22. You didn't say anything about MIMES.

[leftofthedial]

24. yes I did

I just wasn't speaking when I did it.

[Malikshah]

36. She turned me into a newt!!!!

Down with witches!!!!

nasty bleedin harpies...all of them!!!


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH........

[MrModerate]

3. I don't think people -- DUers included -- realize how bad this could be

I think the torture law is unenforceable and will smash apart when it hits the Supremes. However, a lot of people could already have been "disappeared" by then.

Here's a scenario for you: Against all odds, the 'Licans sweep the elections November 7, even increasing their majorities. Clearly it's rigged, and people fill the streets demanding a reversal of the phony results. Thousands are rounded up, which leads to more cycles of increasingly intense civil disobedience.

Then the boy king orders the US Military to start rounding up "terrorist ringleaders."

What happens next?

[hedgehog]

4. What US Military?

They're all bogged down in Iraq.

[MrModerate]

7. Check your local military bases . . . they're not exactly deserted.

Besides, we don't need all those troops in South Korea -- could bring them home in a hurry for riot duty. And there's always what's left of the National Guard (although they might think twice about letting the Guard get access to their weapons, since they might not be considered "reliable" enough.)

[leftofthedial]

6. V for Vendetta

[tavalon]

26. If they are like me

they are in shock. What the fuck!? I knew we were headed this way, but we just took a giant step forward towards overt fascism.

[nam78_two]

5. And as bad as its on DU

its so much worse in the real world.

Went to lunch with some coworkers yesterday-most depressing conversation ever. Coworker1 is a news junkie and activist and is very scared about all this. Coworker 2 is a European who just came to the US and has observed the madness from outside and is shocked by it all.
Coworkers 3,4,5 and 6 are clueless. 3,4 and 5 don't even read the news and have no idea wtf we are talking about. Coworker 6 follows stuff somewhat but his response to this bill is:
"It doesn't really affect people like us".

[hedgehog]

8. I was on a business trip with my husband last month.

It was embarrassing because the Europeans didn't want to mention Bush in front of us. Sort of like referring to your brother-in-law arrested for raping little kids. The Canadians were more forthcoming. They just couldn't hold in their absolute bafflement that a guy like Bush is running things here.

[nam78_two]

12. heh and they have Harper

Edit: oh ok you said last month...I thought it was before they had Harper...

[leftofthedial]

20. Most Americans are stupid and lazy

[Sapere aude]

9. The SCOTUS will smack it down as unconstitutional as soon as it gets

challenged. Of course the repubs don't pay attention to the decisions of the SCOTUS which is one of the reasons the right is losing power in this country.

I think the more they over reach the worse it is for them and potentially good for us.
In the not to distant future, when the country looks back on these past 6 years, it will see just how close we came to losing our democracy for good and will think twice before allowing an administration like this to come to power. Bush Cheney will be held in contempt in the minds of most Americans.

[leftofthedial]

13. I'm not so sure I agree with either point

as for the SCOTUS--
step 1. pretty much any repuke accuses you of "aiding the terrorists" (that's already happening daily)

step 2. an administration sanctioned agent (pretty much any repuke) says that anyone who "aids the terrorists" has no right to be a citizen
(that's already happening today)

step 3. you are declared an "enemy combatant," taken into custody and disappeared.

Constitutional challenges are problematic for three reasons:
1. you have no access to counsel.
2. any lawyer making such a challenge would likely be said to be "aiding the terrorists"
3. the courts are dominated by repukes

All this is possible according to the language of the law. Welcome to the new Fascist State of Murka.


As for overreaching--
they have shifted the political spectrum so radically far to the right in this country that I don't think most people realize where we started. Plus, they may just have "reached' themselves into a de facto empire.

[radfringe]

10. let's really get the posting chattering and add

carnivores VS vegetarians...

in the interest of disclosure:

1. I smoke
2. I'm a carnivore
3. I'm a lesbian
4. My partner and I (9 years on 10/31) have 3 dogs and 5 cats

[radfringe]

11. I'll be back in a bit to check this post

going to go have a smoke and give my sweetie a phone call while my burger is heating up in the toaster oven

[Deja Q]

17. It's voting season. Politicians will say anything.

I'm sorry some people out there are so dim they'll use their vote on one periphery issue rather than on topics that truly affect everybody.

[truebrit71]

21. No doubt...

..there are slightly more important things to focus on right now....but you'd never know that by the voluminous venom-laden posts by anti-smoking nazis and nanny-staters....

[nam78_two]

23. From what I saw yesterday most of those posts

were by anti-anti-smokers rather than the anti-smoking "nazis" :shrug:

Maybe there was a deluge before that but then I missed it...

I am not a smoker, neither am I an anti-smoker, but even barring the gutting of Habeas Corpus, I find it a bit silly when either side seems to feel SO victimized by the other...


I would think these people:
http://www.bread.org/learn/hunger-basics/hunger-facts-international.html

have more serious problems ;). Or homeless people, people who have been laid off,elderly people with no means of support, people with serious illnesses, people in war zones and so on .....

Not being able to smoke in bars or not being able to go to a bar without finding smokers in there, both seem kinda trivial by comparison :P.
We are very pampered people in the West in general :)...The things that seem like extreme afflictions to us would probably be very amusing to someone living on less than a dollar a day and hoping to fend off starvation for another week.

[Zhade]

25. You have a point.

NT!

[Kurovski]

27. Why not just give us a daily list of what you want to see?

:-)

There are many threads on the topic you mention. I've supported them. I've discussed it with neighbors and friends. I can also chew gum and walk at the same time.

I am the mighty DUer.

[ProfessorGAC]

28. Walk & Chew Gum At The Same Time?

You can do that?!?!? Amazing! Amazing, i tell ya!

I worship at your mighty altar too! :evilgrin:
The Professor

[Kurovski]

29. Of course you do, my horned minion.

:rofl:

I really surprised you with that "gum" thing, but now I suppose you'll be wanting some proof.

[devilgrrl]

32. No shit. Who cares about Habeas Corpus, everyone's lighting up!!!!!!

at a gay bar!

[ScreamingMeemie]

33. Well..."some say" that you have...

:P

I saw that!

[devilgrrl]

34. ;-)

:-)

[Emit]

35. I tried

Even kicked 'em both.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2420470&mesg_id=2420470

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2420798&mesg_id=2420798

[Kurovski]

37. For goodness sake try these on the greatest page too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2424276

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