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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 07:37 PM
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Sibel Edmonds movie/director interview, part 6: 911 and FBI Incompetence
Edited on Fri Oct-20-06 07:40 PM by lukery
This is part 6 of my interview with Mathieu Verboud, co-director of the film about Sibel Edmonds, Kill the Messenger. (see Part One, Two, Three, Four, Five))


Here we talk about 9/11 (a little), FBI incompetence and some of Sibel's supporters in the film
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Luke Ryland: Right - speaking of terrible consequences - you mentioned earlier that the first thing that you heard about Sibel 's case was that it had something to do with 911. What do you know about the connections between her case and 911?

Mathieu Verboud: Some small things and some bigger things. The small things are more precise, and the larger issues are more diluted. From some private conversations with Sibel, it's our understanding that during her time at the FBI, she may have heard things, let’s say about the existence of certain tapes related to Bin Laden. I won’t go into further details and quite frankly, as far as 9/11 goes, the event, and the preparation - that's all I know.

But there are other issues related to 9/11. First is WHY was 9/11 possible. Sibel’s story helps us find an answer…

9/11 happened because the jihad needed new targets. Again, this is the backfiring component of the 1980s alliance between the U.S and Pakistan. Then, you wonder HOW 9/11 was possible. Well, you have a whole set of answers to that and these are domestic issues : lack of preparedness, complacency, incompetence, risk aversity. And it went to such absurd extremes!

Look for example at the case of Bob Wright from the counter-terrorism division of the FBI, based in Chicago. His managers refused to crack down a Hamas cell because that meant closing a case and when a case is closed, FBI agents have to open new ones to get a promotion. The thing is the FBI counter-terrorism squad in Chicago didn’t have any case waiting to be opened, maybe because Hamas was the only terrorist threat in town. Anyway, the result is the Hamas cell was just… ignored!

When you see that, you understand Bob Wright’s frustration and you wonder whether the Executive Branch, be it under Clinton or Bush, ever assessed the risk, however remote, of a major terrorist attack with commercial airliners. Everyone seemed to have forgotten that the WTC had already been bombed by Islamists in 1993. Or maybe no one cared. And 9/11 happened. Did the U.S have foreknowledge of the attacks ? Yes. Did the U.S have foreknowledge of the date? I don’t know. Did the U.S plan the attacks? I don’t know. Maybe ineptitude, indifference explain it all.

Then, with Bush, things got even worse : the lie to the nation about WMD’s, Iraq rather than Bin Laden, the politization of the intelligence community and of the judiciary, the insatiable appetite for classification, the obsene carpet-bagging in Iraq with big weapon companies calling the shots from behind the scene. And this is freedom? No, it’s a recipe for the elimination of freedom.

LR: Ok - and where does the heroin trafficking fit into Sibel's story?

Mathieu: Well, the poppy trade is interesting, but we don’t have very specific knowledge about the connections to Sibel. All we know is that for the last 30 years, Turkey has been the leading country in the world in terms of processing heroin and also that the drug business is just another business for many players in this country. It helps make money, fund illegal activities.

But again, this started a long time ago.

LR: Getting back to the film - who did you interview?

MV: Well, there are a lot of people whom we interviewed but didn't make it to the final cut of the film, because we needed to focus on Sibel’s line of operations.

First, we have the "supporters." Coming first as a a great introduction to Sibel, is John Cole who was a Counter-Intelligence officer at the FBI in the nineties – his case is linked to Sibel’s since the very begining. The first ever article on Sibel (the Washington Post dated June 19, 2002) mentions his name as a possible co-witness. John was indeed a precious witness for us. He was born in France (laughs)… he is a true U.S patriot. He always wanted ‘to do what’s right’. John often comes back to the same point: "As a public servant, I took an oath of office to protect the country from its enemies, both foreign and domestic. So did Sibel." Well, obviously many people within the neocon community fit the portrait of a domestic enemy. John was also one of many intelligence whistle-blowers who described the risk-averse mentality, the sheer incompetence of many people in mid-management positions in the agencies.

Then, we have Ann Beeson and Ben Wizner (the two ACLU lawyers) and some prominent members of the NSWBC, the national security whisle-blowers coalition Sibel created in 2004. We also include in this group of supporters this very nice musician whom we filmed in a New York club performing the song he wrote on Sibel: Gary Hood (YouTube). Gary is an early fan.

Then, we have the "experts" coming in. Their role in the film is to expose Sibel’s secret…


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Next Up: When the truth comes out from the CIA…. Probably on Monday.

crossposted at http://sibeledmonds.blogspot.com/2006/10/ktm-interview-part-6-911-and-fbi.html
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 07:41 PM
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1. Thanks for this! I'm bookmarking to read all of it later.
Sibel got a raw deal; this film sounds fascinating!
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 07:46 PM
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3. this is just a short instalment
i thought i'd make it easier to read in a quick pass-thru

she did get a rawdeal - but she's pretty tough :-)
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 07:48 PM
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5. Can I ask if Hastert's name is brought up? I sincerely hope so!
I read the story last summer (05) in Vanity Fair. I would love to see his hand in this exposed.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 08:13 PM
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9. yep
Hastert gets a mention :-)

Last week I put together a post about Hastert's crimes in relation to Sibel's story
http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.com/2006/10/hastert-key-to-understanding-brewster.html
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:00 PM
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16. Madsen indicates that Hastert was bribed with funds....
involving nuclear smuggling. To me this seems like practically the absolute worst crime: to expose the US to a potential nuclear threat for your own personal gain, and possibly to advance the neocon agenda. Is there any basis for this allegation, or that it may involve something like the AQ Khan network? I also noticed under Hastert's Wikipedia entry that this was being investigated by the NSA.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:10 PM
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17. nuclear black market, heroin, illegal arms sales
I'm not specifically sure where Hastert's money comes from - but the network that sibel talks about is financed via illegal arms sales, heroin, and the nuclear black market. it appears that hastert was being bribed by a number of different players.

and yep, this all has a lot to do with what is known as 'AQ Khan' - but i think that is a misnomer.

I think we can safely say that Perle & Feith (and others) are involved 'the absolute worst crime' - Hastert's involvement might be one step removed.
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randyconspiracybuff Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 08:15 PM
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10. Yes, But A Small Part
In another part of the interview, it says the doc makers did not go to Chicago, where the local Turkish organization that bribed Hastert resides.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:43 PM
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15. TACA
actually they did visit TACA in chicago, but it didn't make the film - although Phil Giraldi does mention them.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 08:26 PM
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11. VF have pulled the story!
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 07:47 PM
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4. Me, too. I just emailed the thread to myself.
Otherwise, I'll forget.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 07:48 PM
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6. Oooh, better idea-thanks! nt
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 07:42 PM
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2. k/r n/t
I think there should be media outrage waking people up to the repression going on in the former America.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 07:49 PM
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7. we're doing our best!
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 07:53 PM
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8. Former CIA Officer Robert Steele Reviews Tarpley's 'Synthetic Terror'
Edited on Fri Oct-20-06 08:24 PM by JohnyCanuck


Progressive Press announced that its "9/11 Synthetic Terror" has just been cited as the best non-fiction book ever by Amazon's top non-fiction book reviewer, intelligence professional Robert Steele, in a 5-star review at

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0930852370 (Page down and look for the review by Robert D Steele /JC).

Progressive specializes in books that contend 9/11 was an "inside job." Publisher John Leonard says "it's a coup to have Steele with us on this. Here you have a level-headed, respected insider, lifelong Republican, veteran spy, and he's breaking the taboos. It's a great tribute and a vindication of the work we put into 9/11 Synthetic Terror."

Steele's statement that 9/11 was a "US-based conspiracy" may be a first coming from a senior US intelligence community figure. He came to this conclusion "with great sadness" after reading "9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA," which he praises as "without question, the most important modern reference on state-sponsored terrorism."

SNIP

From Steele's Amazon review:

It is with great sadness that I conclude that this book is the strongest of the 770+ books I have reviewed here at Amazon, almost all non-fiction. I am forced to conclude that 9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war (see my review of Jim Bamford's "Pretext for War"), and I am forced to conclude that there is sufficient evidence to indict (not necessarily convict) Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and others of a neo-conservative neo-Nazi coup d'etat and kick-off of the clash of civilizations (see my review of "Crossing the Rubicon" as well as "State of Denial"). Most fascinatingly, the author links Samuel Huntington, author of "Clash of Civilizations" with Leo Strauss, the connecting rod between Nazi fascists and the neo-cons.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/3897
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 08:57 PM
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12. Kick! nt
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:03 PM
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13. Wow. Great job. How much more to come? n/t
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:32 PM
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14. 2 more
are you sick of it already?
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 12:23 AM
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22. OMG. No. The Devil is in the details.
But I have to admit my head is swimming. Thankfully, you and the film director have all these details plotted out. Great work.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 06:53 AM
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18. ellsberg interview transcribed
see here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2447319
Daniel Ellsberg said in an interview that Dennis Hastert received suitcases of cash at his home from Turkish heroin money and that Hastert should be in jail, along with his friends.

He also says that people in the State Department, and in nuclear labs, are paid in 'cold cash' for secrets that are sold on the nuclear black market.

He also says that a Dem Congress "could be pressed into holding genuine investigations of the torture, of the corruption, getting rid of Hastert, and starting impeachment proceedings."
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 03:22 PM
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19. Kick!
Unfortunately if you linked to a certain anti-war website in your post, that is a no-no on DU.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 06:36 PM
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20. oh god!
is that it??? they pulled the thread!

I'll post it again.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 07:08 PM
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21. reposted - pls rec
i've reposted it without the 'offending' links

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2450588&mesg_id=2450588

"Daniel Ellsberg said in an interview that Dennis Hastert received suitcases of cash at his home from Turkish heroin money and that Hastert should be in jail, along with his friends.

He also says that people in the State Department, and in nuclear labs, are paid in 'cold cash' for secrets that are sold on the nuclear black market.

He also says that a Dem Congress "could be pressed into holding genuine investigations of the torture, of the corruption, getting rid of Hastert, and starting impeachment proceedings.""
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