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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 09:29 AM
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Did you know about the Pelosi 100 HOUR PROMISE ?
This is the curtain closer for the republicans and I'm shocked at how many people even here don't know about it. Imagine, if members here haven't even heard about it, how incredibly bad the Democrats have been about getting this message out to the people.

Pelosi has promised a record fast reversal of republican legislation as soon as congress convenes if we win the House.




The humiliation is served up to the republicans at a level ten Richter reading with this unprecented promise of quick action. And nothing can prevent them from being embarrassed in their own repugnance.

The republicans had the "Contract For America" in 1994 with a pledge of legislation to be passed in their first 100 days.

Nancy has promised that we are going to reverse six years of their regressive and despicable insults to America, in the first

....................... 100 HOURS !!! ...........................


She is going to:

:bluebox:...implement ALL the 911 commission recommendations immediately. Every one. Showing the real commitment to Homeland Security.

:bluebox:...Reverse the despicable legislation forbidding the government to negotiate drug prices, and make it mandatory that the Director of Health and Human Services negotiate for the lowest price of all prescription drugs, just like the VA does for veterans. Forcing the drug companies to compete.

:bluebox:... we are going to raise the minimum wage to $7.25 an hour and end nine years of republican disgrace. Holding American workers in poverty, while lavishing themselves with 9 pay raises amounting to a total pay increase of $30,000.

:bluebox:...we are going to immediately rescind the tax cut windfalls to the 2006 modern day pirates of big oil. And transfer that money to reduce college tuitions by 50%, so that college is once again part of the American dream, not the unaffordable nightmare.

:bluebox:...we are going to institute fiscal sanity again by immediately instituting pay-go. Just like every business and family home in America has to balance their checkbook, the government will be bound by the same constraints. The only way a program or initiative will be funded is if something else is cut or the means is found to pay for it. No more borrowing from China to fund corporate profit giveaways or highways to nowhere.


This promise of Nancy and Harry Reid backing her in the Senate, is not known and it is insane that it isn't. We need to be insulting every republican blowhard with this for the next three weeks. We have to sloganize it so it gets known to voters across the nation and repeated at every water cooler. So they literally can't wait for November 7th. Imagine, the Democrats first 100 hours will change America. The candidates should be repeating this ad infinitum.

There is no comeback for it. It makes the republican 100 days pledge of 1994 look like a joke. This promise of action is unprecedented and as noble as the flag flying over our land in its mission and purpose.

And it is once again the DEMOCRATS, who will be leading this charge to undo the untold damage of another republican administration.

Let's get this out there everywhere. Encourage your representatives to be using it. And we will send these moral values reprobates to the republican graveyard where they belong, in deserving and record setting humiliating numbers!!! ...This will do it.

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abluelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 09:31 AM
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1. Raising my Hand
Just another plan the dems don't have! :sarcasm:
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SaneInSC Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 09:37 AM
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2. TY
Thank you for posting this!
Seems like a breath of fresh air ..a breath of common sense.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 09:42 AM
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3. Habeas Corpus? Torture? Bankruptcy? All those SIGNING STATEMENTS?
Just askin'.....
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:07 AM
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19. Give her a break.
She's doing this in just her first hundred hours.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 12:02 PM
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62. 8^)
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Temporary1 Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 02:12 PM
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78. She's a bad leader -- make Kooch the head
That's right, Kucinich ^_^
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 03:25 PM
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81. It sounds excellant, um...do you have a link??
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 08:33 PM
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95. link-
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/06/AR2006100600056.html

Day One: Put new rules in place to "break the link between lobbyists and legislation."

Day Two: Enact all the recommendations made by the commission that investigated the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

Time remaining until 100 hours: Raise the minimum wage to $7.25 an hour, maybe in one step. Cut the interest rate on student loans in half. Allow the government to negotiate directly with the pharmaceutical companies for lower drug prices for Medicare patients.

Broaden the types of stem cell research allowed with federal funds _ "I hope with a veto-proof majority," she added in an Associated Press interview Thursday.

All the days after that: "Pay as you go," meaning no increasing the deficit, whether the issue is middle class tax relief, health care or some other priority.
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BeachBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 01:33 PM
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75. I'll predict
That we'll never see the reversal of the Bankruptcy and Torture bills. No guts.

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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 03:18 PM
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80. The CMA is blatantly unconstitutional. The Bankruptcy one is just blatant
pandering.
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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 06:30 AM
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110. The new bankruptcy laws are a far worse outrage than even the minimum
wage....

People work for minimum wage, go bankrupt and then become indentured servants to their creditors for 3 to 5 years.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 11:51 PM
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101. Oh yes we will. This county cannot survive with these travesties.
They will go and with full endorsement from most of the country. Most of the country wants them out now.
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 08:25 PM
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94. I agree, habeas corpus needs to be number 1.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 09:42 AM
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4. I've heard of it and republicans have also as
they are trying to villianize her because of the tax cut roll back. That being said, I need more on restoring the constitution to feel comfortable with her leadership (don't take this as an attack on her, it's an attack on the political advisors).
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:14 AM
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20. I see, you've got a realistic candidate who'll do beter?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:18 AM
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28. I would have to know who is interested in it.
And I see you took it as an attack. Ignoring the crimes against the constitution is ignoring crimes against you, by the way. Whoever is advising democrats to not work on these matters is doing you a disservice.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:22 AM
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33. Yes, I have heard also.
I don't know why people criticize dems for that which is in the richie 6 media owners hands. Coverage of this platform has to be bought and paid for by the producing party. Dugh ya. That is criticism should be directed, not at dems.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:48 AM
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47. We can't depend on the media to help us (bought and paid for).
Messages need to be written and telephone calls need to made to get to the people (as well as crafty ads).
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 11:31 AM
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55. You betcha! Write write write call call call!
:D
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 12:35 PM
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69. 9/29/06 Vote 508: S 3930: Military Commissions Act No
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:49 PM
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98. I'm aware of her vote.
Also, I don't dislike her. What I have a problem with is publicly stating impeachment is off the table. I also have a problem with the absence of MCA repeal in the agenda. I want to know who is setting the agenda. This looks like a promise democrats could have come up with in any election. But with all the illegalities and disregard of the constitution by the republicans in their positions of power, this election isn't quite like an average election.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 09:44 AM
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5. Wow. Oh, wow.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 09:54 AM
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8. Here is the day she announced it.....October 6
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 09:59 AM
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12. October 6th? Why is this not in the news?
Wait... you don't have to answer that.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:28 AM
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38. Why isn't this blasted on the front page of every newspaper across
the country? I knew about the comment "Draining the swamp," but I had no idea that it was just the title to a very definite plan.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 09:49 AM
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6. I want my rights as a US citizen restored FIRST
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 09:51 AM
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7. Hope that unconstitutional bill is reversed or ruled on in court
:mad:
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:04 AM
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16. I won't be holding my breath
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:35 AM
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42. That should be a priority among priorities. n/t
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 09:54 AM
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9. Van Hollen nailed those same objectives at the National Press Club
Edited on Sat Oct-21-06 10:08 AM by BrotherBuzz
On Wednesday, a luncheon forum at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., featured top officials of the parties’ national House campaign organizations. Cool clam and collected Chris Van Hollen (D-MD 8th), a proxy for Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Chairman Rahm Emanuel drove those same points home while New York Rep. Thomas M. Reynolds, who chairs the National Republican Congressional Committee faltered at every turn and was only demonstrated to me he could perspire profusely.

:rofl:
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 09:58 AM
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11. I saw that.
It just shows how devastating that 100 hour blitz announcement is.

He was sweating like a glass of iced tea.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 09:55 AM
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10. K&R
Needs more exposure! :kick:
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:00 AM
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13. I think you are correct in the Dems seeming inability to
Edited on Sat Oct-21-06 10:00 AM by Texas Explorer
get the message out about this plan. I believe that the minimum wage hike alone would ensure a Dem victory across the board. When you start taking care of the low to middle income people, they will cut for every time.

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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 12:40 PM
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70. Is it failure of the Dems to get the message out?
Or the refusal of the media to let it get out. I think it's the latter...
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Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 03:44 AM
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105. good point
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 06:23 AM
Response to Reply #70
109. No doubt you're right. You'd never even know there are any Democrats
left in Washington, except for the times they can be mentioned in some way which may seem useful to the Bush administration.

There have been times Democrats have gone ahead and held their own inquiries, like John Conyers, etc., and the only way you'd ever know about it at all is almost accidental, like tuning in C-Span at the right time and catching live coverage. The stories just never make it into the mainstream.

Democrats have done as much as they could, given the circumstances, and they will only get coverage if they set themselves on fire.

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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:03 AM
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14. The lack of coverage is ANOTHER indictment of the
corporate press. The Fairness Doctrine must be reinstated, and the media monopolies must be broken up!
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:04 AM
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15. It's just common sense.
Edited on Sat Oct-21-06 10:04 AM by Gregorian
I've been so underwhelmed by it, I haven't really thought much about the plan.

But having said that, in the climate of today's insidious rightwing neocon agendas, this is downright revolutionary. Hard to believe, isn't it.


It's a start.


And to address the original post, we have no media. That's why the word isn't getting out.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:05 AM
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17. I wish we could undo all BushCo decisions, laws made since he first
stole office in 2001. Just null and void them all and start over from scratch. He was never meant to be president.

And make the oil barons and defense contractors, not taxpayers, fund the reconstruction of Iraq. We should freeze all of their assets around the world (like Bush did with N Korea a few years ago) and go on a momentous, celebratory human rights spending spree.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:24 AM
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35. There is only one route -- and step one is impeachment. . .
. . .The first step to undoing every bill signed by the illegitimate election thief is to impeach Bush and Cheney, confront the truth as a nation, and fight to see that members of Congress -- the people we elect to serve as Our Voice -- declare every act taken under this usurper null and void.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 05:44 PM
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87. We will not let BushCo's actions stand.
No frikkin way.

Step one is clearing out the stinking Repukes in 19 days.

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emmadoggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #17
83. "I wish we could undo all BushCo decisions, laws made since he first
stole office in 2001. Just null and void them all and start over from scratch."

Me too, Katinmn, me freakin' too. Wipe the slate clean. Take us right back to where we were when Clinton left office. I know it's a dream, but it's a good one.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 05:41 PM
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86. Thanks, emmadoggy
I think we knew Junior was bad but no one could have predicted how bad. What has surprised me the most is the way congress has enabled him to the degree it has.

:hi:
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emmadoggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #86
89. Yes, absolutely.
It has been a shocking 6 years. :cry:
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #83
92. In a world of infinite possibility, the only dreams that are unachievable
Edited on Sat Oct-21-06 07:00 PM by pat_k
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:05 AM
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18. Did she explain HOW she's gonna do all that?
seems like there will be a veto somewhere in there (i'm thinking minimum wage), and then what?
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:15 AM
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22. Congress can overturn a veto. And as for getting the votes to
overturn, any Republic left in a seat after Nov 7 is going to do whatever the fuck she wants them to do for fear of losing even more seats in the '08 round.

I'm looking forward to votes like this:

Yeas - 395
Nays - 40
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:18 AM
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26. Actually, we WON'T be able to override...
it takes 67 votes in the Senate to override, and there are not enough seats up for election this time to give us 67, even if we sweep them all.

So no, Congress can't override this time around.

Again, any other ideas as to HOW she's going to do all this? Especially the minimum wage. No way in hell the Repubs are going to go along with a >$2 hike.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:16 AM
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24. She'll get the bill to the House floor, get it approved and then send
it forward. If it's a Democratic Senate, then it should get passed. If not, then they'll take the heat of shutting it(them) down and the public can raise "holy hell" with them.

If the Senate passes it, and * vetoes it, then the public can raise "holy hell" with him.

With her leadership, we'll get a marker on the board and make it obvious that Democrats want to make things better and that Republicans only want to protect the rich.

That'll be great "talking points" for the next election.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:19 AM
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29. And we look weak as hell because we can't override.
A * veto that we CANNOT override makes Congressional Democrats look stupid (hey, look at those morans who can't even count!)...why on earth would we intentionally make Chimpy veto?

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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:23 AM
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34. If it's a narrow bill, how does bush veto a min wage hike?
Since dems will finally have a microphone and can publicize his actions, there is the political suicide factor to consider as a deterent for his veto.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:27 AM
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37. A hike to over $7? Repubs would give him tons of cover.
This is their money shot with the small buisness interests. They'll scream their heads off. And it's an economic policy wet dream, because they get to mobilize their hardcore (non-fundie) base.

i think the minimum wage should be $10/hour. i don't think it's going to happen without a Democrat in the WH, and Democratic control of both houses.
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Katzenjammer Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 01:42 PM
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76. Not only a veto, but plenty of DINOs too
The Feinstein, Landreau, Lieberman, Biden "Democrats" will vote against any substantive changes. But Pelosi will be able to say "I tried" and "It was the dirty GOP who sabotaged my plan".
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:15 AM
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21. The Dems need to ask Pres. Clinton to speak about the
"Drain the Swamp" plan at every campaign stop. I believe he will be campaigning in at least 14 states during the next two weeks. He is the only person that can catapult the plan over the msm firewall.

Once he has done that it will become part of our national conversation. All Dem congress members and candidates will then need to pick up the theme.

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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:18 AM
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27. READ WHAT DURHAM D SAID - We need the BIG Dems ON message!
Talk about "Draining the Swamp" at every possible opportunity.

:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:45 AM
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46. The great thing about the plan is that it fits on a bumper sticker.
In fact, I am going to go out in my garage in a few minutes and make a yard sign that says -



DRAIN THE SWAMP

VOTE D


Think I will make two - one for home and one for office.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:16 AM
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23. Kick. Very Important Message
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:17 AM
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25. What's the magical solution to "Rule by Signing Statement"
Edited on Sat Oct-21-06 10:17 AM by pat_k
We can solve nothing under "rule by signing statement."

Our common contract, the Constitution, is in breach. It has been nullified by Bush and Cheney, the Un-American authoritarians who have occupied the executive branch and are destroying the fabric of our nation to amass Unconstitutional power and wield it in the service of their tiny faction.

Members of Congress are sworn to protect the Constitution from such destruction from within. Impeachment is the weapon we gave them to fulfill their oath.

The oath is an individual oath. Each member who fails to take up the fight for impeachment (even if they think it will be a charge of the light brigade) is betraying their oath. They are betraying the nation.

The enormous and growing alarm and outrage within the citizenry has been given no voice. Until the men and women we elected to SERVE as Our Voice speak the truth, accuse Bush and Cheney of their crimes, and take up the fight for impeachment and removal, the outraged within the electorate will seethe in frustration and silence believing they are alone in a world gone mad.

Countless Americans know what must be done: Impeach Bush and Cheney and reject the results of suspect elections. Actions large and small will make these goals a reality. As we move forward, we need to remember that, however they fail or anger us, we can't let it just be about them. Ultimately, it is about figuring out how to use our power to see that our will is done..

Impeachment IS Our Positive Agenda!


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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:24 AM
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36. Impeachment would be a GRAVE ERROR...
and here's why. Let's assume for the moment that we win big time in the House. We start impeachment proceedings against anyone but Rumsfeld (Rummy is out because i'm assuming that this won't apply), and they pass. Boom, Chimpy's impeached.

Now you've got to go to the Senate to convict. And that's where impeachment dies. There are simply not enough votes in the Senate to convict.

And without a conviction, what do you have? EXONERATION! That's what the end result of impeachment proceedings in the House will be. EXONERATION.

FUCK THAT SHIT! no way these bastards get off. which is why i'm against impeachment proceedings in the House. They should investigate the hell out of them, but there are very few circumstances in which impeachment proceedings should be brought.

Maybe they could swing enough votes in the Senate to get Rummy. Everybody hates him nowadays.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:31 AM
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39. Failure to speak out = Exoneration
Edited on Sat Oct-21-06 10:35 AM by pat_k
What do you think we have now?

Charges have been leveled from countless quarters. As long as the people sworn to protect the Constitution by formally "indicting" (bringing articles of impeachment) keep silent and fail to make any effort to do so, they are exonerating -- and providing cover.

Bush/Cheney: "If our actions we unconstitutional, more members of Congress would be calling for impeachment. they are not. In fact, the opposition is declaring they will not impeach. We are innocent of the "crazy" charges."

There is no "pre-determined" outcome. No human can predict every event and every action that would unfold once the ball is rolling. It is mystifying that so many people who pride themselves on rationality and reason and realism believe they "know" what will happen.

Complicity with crime is NEVER "good politics."

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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:34 AM
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41. Please re-read what I said...
INVESTIGATIONS are the way to go. Get the lying shits under oath in front of every House committee we will control. Subpoena every scrap of paper, depose every person who met with anybody at the WH, and GET THEM UNDER OATH!

Impeachment proceedings will NOT help us. It takes 2/3 of the Senate to vote to CONVICT, and there aren't enough Senate seats in play this election to give us 67 seats. That's why I think impeachment should be off the table. INVESTIGATIONS should not.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:39 AM
Response to Reply #41
43. It is a prima fascia case.
Edited on Sat Oct-21-06 11:02 AM by pat_k
Every time Bush and Cheney publicly hide behind the fascist fig leaf of Bush as unitary authoritarian executive, they declare themselves intolerable enemies of our constitutional democracy.

There is no "pre-determined" outcome. No human can predict every event and every action that would unfold once the ball is rolling. It is mystifying that so many people who pride themselves on rationality and reason and realism believe they "know" what will happen.

Given the seething anger in the electorate, when more members of Congress see and carry out their duty and the threat of impeachment becomes real, we could see a Republican delegation heading up to the WH to deliver Bush and Cheney an ultimatum. They could be out in a month. We can make as strong a case for this outcome as the one you predict.

Whatever the ultimate outcome of taking up the fight there is nothing that can change reality.
When the cops see a drunk and out of control driver they pursue, stop, and take the keys (the ability of the driver to do harm). They have a duty to purse, whether or not they believe they will successfully catch, prosecute and convict. The first priority is to protect the public they are sworn to protect from harm.

Congress is no different. Each member of Congress is sworn to defend the Constitution from destruction. Impeachment is the weapon we gave them to fulfill their oath when the attack comes from within. Going after Bush and Cheney to take the "keys" (remove from power) is their duty.

Each member who is failing to call for impeachment is betraying their oath. They can continue to choose dereliction duty. They can try to rationalize doing so a hundred different ways, but there no escape from the truth.

Investigation (through Congress and law enforcement), indictment, prosecution in court, and judgment, and punishment is separate process to follow the defense act of removing the threat of further harm.

It is their repeated attempts to escape from such stark truths can confirm the image of "wimpy Dem" over and over again.

If they want a shot at winning more and more elections, they must challenge that image.

Ironically, doing the RIGHT thing is also the WINNING thing.

The ONLY antidote to "poisonous partisanship" to to confront reality and the truth and do what it demands of you, regardless of partisan "strategery."

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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:40 AM
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44. You honesty believe the Senate would convict? Honestly?
i'm not that idealistic.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #44
50. Conviction or resignation are as likely as any other outcome
Edited on Sat Oct-21-06 11:10 AM by pat_k
Idealism has nothing to do with it. This is about simple truth and moral principle.

Given the seething anger in the electorate, when more members of Congress see and carry out their duty and the threat of impeachment becomes real, we could see a Republican delegation heading up to the WH to deliver Bush and Cheney an ultimatum. They could be out in a month. We can make as strong a case for this outcome as the one you predict.

A person must believe they can predict every conversation around every kitchen table and every reaction of every faction within the electorate to believe they "know" the outcome. To believe this is to leave the realm of the reality-based community.

Fortunately, when we face moral imperatives, we don't need to concern ourselves with predictions of outcome. Sworn duty is sworn duty. They have a choice. Fight for principle or betray principle.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 11:12 AM
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51. And the Repub Senators are following their sworn duty these days, huh?
It's nice to speak in platitudes, because you can be shocked and appalled when things don't quite work out the way they should.

If you think for one second that politics isn't the most important part of any discussion of impeachment, then you're not ready for prime time.

Sorry, i'm not trying to insult you or belittle you, but the political reality is what it is, and moral imperatives and principle won't cause a single Repub Senator to lose one second of sleep after they vote not to convict.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #51
66. They can choose to be on the right side of history or the wrong side. . .
Edited on Sat Oct-21-06 12:46 PM by pat_k
Americans have faced many such turning points.

Those who lost previous fights may have been "shocked and appalled" at the blindness of thier fellow Americans, but they fought on.

We are still paying the price for the "realistic" compromise on slavery made at our founding. There were those who were on the right side of history at that time and those who were on the wrong side.

We face a turning point in our history that is no less dire. Each day that our "leaders" fail to take up the fight more damage is done as the fascists push forward unchallenged.

Countless Americans have been fighting for years to Wake Up our elected officials and stop the fascists. They fight on because for them it is a simple choice: fight on or betray the treasured principles and institutions we established in our Constitution.

There are ALWAYS benefits to standing and fighting for simple truth and moral principle. We fight for immediate goals. Step-by-step. Americans have won countless victories along the way.

Even this post is a part of the fight -- I seek to inject simple truths and moral principles into the public square -- truths that clarify the choices before us, and the choices we must convey to our elected officials. I have watched others do the same with megaphones big and small. I have watched the numbers grow.

We "lost" the war on January 6th 2001, but there were victories on the way. Groups of ordinary citizens that are still fighting formed to take up the fight. People connected to each other in a network that is growing by leaps and bounds every week. Visibly and invisibly these associations are learning how to reach our elected officials ever more effectively.

The nation is paying an incredible price for the "realism" and "practicality" that kept so many voters mum and kept every member of the Senate in their seats on January 6th, 2001, but the groundwork was laid that made future battles possible.

We "lost" the war on January 6th, 2005, but we accomplished the "impossible." We were told we would NEVER "get" a Senator. NEVER. We were ridiculed, even by House staffers who were fighting to expose the truth about the theft. We fought on. And we "got one" -- one member of the Senate is NOT complicit in the theft of the Presidential election of 2004. This is a BIG deal. We showed "insiders" that their "conventional wisdom" was bull. And Sen. Boxer's political fortunes have benefited enormously from her act of courage. (Something that has not been lost on her colleagues.)

Because the "other side" so often sees black and white when the reality is grey, many in "reality-based community" have developed a habit of rejecting anything presented in black and white. This habit is so often our downfall because it blinds us to the very real simple truths and moral principles that yield black and white choices.

The choice faced by those sworn to defend the Constitution is one of those black and white choices: Duty or Complicity. They can tell the truth about Bush and Cheney and call on their colleagues to make use of the weapon we gave them to defend us from destruction from within the halls of power, or "go along to get along, tell half-truths, take half-measures, and thus betray their oath by giving cover to the rogue regime.

Readers of this post will decide whether this statment is grounded in simple truth and moral principle or constitutes a "platitude."

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plat‧i‧tude
  1. a flat, dull, or trite remark, esp. one uttered as if it were fresh or profound.
  2. the quality or state of being flat, dull, or trite: the platitude of most political oratory.

prin‧ci‧ple
  1. an accepted or professed rule of action or conduct: a person of good moral principles.
  2. a fundamental, primary, or general law or truth from which others are derived: the principles of modern physics.

truth
  1. Conformity to fact or actuality.
  2. A statement proven to be or accepted as true.
  3. Sincerity; integrity.
  4. Fidelity to an original or standard.
    1. Reality; actuality.
    2. often Truth That which is considered to be the supreme reality and to have the ultimate meaning and value of existence.

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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #51
84. The whole nation tuned into the Watergate hearings, the highest rated
program that year? That sealed the deal, & When the Honorable Representaive from Michigan, John Conyers was known to be writing articles of Impeachment..... They told Nixon the news & Nixon realized he had to resign.

SO we do this by the book, & WE WIll KICK their asses.

COunt me in, I am always up for a good fight.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #50
88. Wait....
You're putting the words "simple truth and moral principle" in a sentence about what Republican Senators will do and don't think idealism is at work?
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 06:43 PM
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90. No idealism. Just the recognition that no human is omniscient. . .
Edited on Sat Oct-21-06 06:47 PM by pat_k
-- a simple truth.

Outcomes are never assured until events are behind us. There are many stages, composed of innumerable actions and junctures. The possibilities are infinite.

Particularly in such a volatile atmosphere of seething anger, rats and sinking ships, courageous stances, treasured principles, passion, increasing activism. . .

To see the real possibilities before us, we must resist predictions of futility, declare the http://www.wordspy.com/words/BHAG.asp">BHAGs (Big Hairy Audacious Goals), and then focus on achieving the step on the road that is immediately before us.

Conventional wisdom assured us (even mockingly) that we would never get a Senator to stand up and object to the Ohio electors on January 6th. No mainstream good government entity even considered fighting to make it happen. They were too busy whipping themselves for losing, when Kerry had in fact won. Citizen lobbyists took up the fight. Mainstream folks didn't jump on board until it was clear that the effort itself was energizing people in a way they might well capitalize on.

Had those mainstream groups allowed themselves to be open to the possibility and acted sooner, who knows? We might have inaugurated President Kerry on January 20th, 2005. And acting "sooner" could have been as early as December 12, 2000. Who knows? We might have inaugurated President Gore on January 20th, 2001.

There are so many other examples.

It is time to stand up and fight the good fights on principle. Even when we don't think anything will work, we must figure out some way to get one step closer and do what we can to get there. (There are always benefits on the road, no matter what the outcome.)
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 11:23 AM
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54. I'm right with you a thousand percent on that.
Conyers and Waxman and Leahy can go balls to the wall with investigations and subpoenas, while the other track is enacting the legislation we need to nurse America back to common sense values and respect in the world again.

Once we get that smoking gun -- that indisputable proof beyond a shadow of a doubt-- that bush committed the United States Military to thousands of deaths and is responsible for an innocent country's annihilation based on unequivocal lies and deliberate fraud to the American people, he is dead meat.

If we find proof of any first degree felony crime that he is caught dead to rights, impeachment will be a cake walk. If he doesn't resign in disgrace first.

And I believe with every bone in my body, that the subpoenas and investigations will uncover it. That's the only thing that has been missing.

Once the proof is so overwhelming that the people finally know bush is a traitor, a felon and a the literal reincarnation of Hitler, and it is proven beyond any attempt to explain it, we will celebrate in the streets.

And if we get the subpoena power and the committee chairs, I still say to my last dying breath, he will not finish his term.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 12:51 PM
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71. We already have the "smoking gun" (more like a nuke). . .
Edited on Sat Oct-21-06 12:52 PM by pat_k
. . .Every time Bush and Cheney publicly hide behind the fascist fig leaf of Bush as unitary authoritarian executive, they declare themselves intolerable enemies of our constitutional democracy.

The case is simple and irrefutable. Feingold has already made it. The "other side" didn't even bother to argue against it, they just called him names and said censure would undermine Bush.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #41
74. We need to investigate the hell out of them. Destroy the Republican Party
as it exists today, this ain't just about Bush-Cheney. Although I don't like "Drain the Swamp" (I am pro-Wetlands ;)) we really do need to do such a thorough job of toxic waste dump clean-up the few remaining true Republicans will thank us for it.

Or we could let them continue on their present course to self-destruction. This would be happily doable if they didn't have the capacity and will to take us with them.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:55 AM
Response to Reply #36
48. Ignoring the situation is a grave error of historic proportions.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #48
49. who said anything about ignoring the situation?
please read the full post before you make a one-liner that doesn't make any sense.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 11:13 AM
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52. Explain further. I don't see where my post doesn't make any sense.
Edited on Sat Oct-21-06 11:25 AM by mmonk
You're dealing with hypotheticals.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #36
56. Well suppose we take the Senate too!
:evilgrin:
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 11:45 AM
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58. We need more than a simple majority...we need 67 votes in the Senate
There aren't enough seats available to get 67.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 11:48 AM
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60. poop.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #58
61. Exposure that an impeachment hearing would bring
would put plenty of pressure on republicans in the Senate. You have to understand that revelations to the public are powerful and real discussions on what has transpired become opened up in public.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #61
67. I agree here. Maybe the other Senators would be forced to take action
if repugs were pissed enough re the revelations.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #58
100. Yeah, that damn math gets in the way again.
Reality is a cruel mistress for those who live in the real world.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 06:45 AM
Response to Reply #100
111. And remains a cruel mistress
as long as you hide it away from the world.
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:19 AM
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30. I don;t know how they are going to institute pay-go...
...as long as we have to finance Iraq. Democrats are stuck with the mess Cons created and it will take more time to fix it. On the other hand if she is saying that there will be financial planning aimed at pay-go in the future that's fine.
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:20 AM
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31. Standing ovation for Ms. Pelosi!
The girl has A PLAN!!! :woohoo: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :woohoo: :patriot:
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:21 AM
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32. We actually wrote about when it first came out...
but we still need to let more people know about it...it's a hell of a plan. If the Dems win the Repugs will try everthing to stop the Dems from implementing the plan...count on it...
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:32 AM
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40. Those who are currently being detained illegally in prisons,
being spied upon, being tortured, probably wonder if they have 100 hours to wait and the stalement the administration will throw up before their situation is addressed.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:40 AM
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45. There is nothing like getting on the wrong side of the
speaker or majority leader who holds the power. Especially when the oaf in the oval office is at 35% approval with the public, has chaos going on everywhere, and has been told by the American Bar Association he has violated 750 laws.

I think these pukes are going to start acting more like little puppies than the smug assholes they were because they are being spayed in November.

And depending on how large our victory is, especially if we win the Senate also, it may even go so far as to be a rout, which is another word for mandate. I dare them to give the finger to their constituents after that.

I wouldn't want to be the one anwsering their phones or opening their email.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 11:16 AM
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53. do you have a link to this?
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 11:41 AM
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57. I sure would like to see...
...repeal of the Military Commissions Act added to this list, as well as repeal of the US PATRIOT Act.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #57
63. evidently, there aren't enough democrats to get rid of it.
Edited on Sat Oct-21-06 12:04 PM by mmonk
It's why we need impeachment hearings to expose everything and bring political pressure to get rid of it.
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Truthiness Inspector Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 11:48 AM
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59. K&R n/t
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 12:08 PM
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64. Good .... Then We'll Impeach Bush In The Second 100 Hours?
Because if impeachment isn't on the table then I'm not on board.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #64
91. Fuel economy standards! fuel economy standards!
40 mpg by 2015.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 12:09 PM
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65. I read about it from MSNBC front web site page, it is out there today
I loved reading about it as well, story concerning Rep. Pelosi is out there...

:kick:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 12:14 PM
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68. outstanding post
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 01:10 PM
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72. But the Democrats don't really have a plan.
or something like that.
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 01:13 PM
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73. I did not. And do you know why it is not widely known?
Hmmmm, perhaps because they don't want too many people to know about it... Link?
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #73
79. You guys have to scan more responses of the thread.
It's # 8 at the beginning.

But, I'll put it down here for you and KG again. ..........http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/06/AR2006100600056.html :thumbsup:
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Homer Wells Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 02:11 PM
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77. K&R
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 04:28 PM
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82. Bravo! BUT...we need to do something about the corporate media first
Otherwise we'll get the "liberals are ruining this country" noise machine all over again, and hear nothing but "horror stories" about the HUGE Democratic scandals, like "Pelosi had lunch and (GASP) forgot to leave a tip," ad nauseum. :puke:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 05:37 PM
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85. Thank you Justice is Commin...KR
That's better than the "Contract on America" - specifics, not generalities, that people can understand. That should be on all the advertising across the nation. This crap about all
politics is local doesn't apply when the country is in such disarray. The people are saying
no to bad national policy and they need this excellent alternative, as well as the dreadful
Republican behavior.

Thanks.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 07:17 PM
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93. Yeah I just had the feeling scads of people didn't know about this
and I think it should be the charge banner headline touted everywhere. In 100 hours, we will reverse six years of suffering for 99% of America.

That has to bring people to the polls.
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:35 PM
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96. From a recent Newsweek Poll.
Some 18 percent said the economy was most important while 16 percent said healthcare was most important to them.

But 74 percent said a top priority for Congress should be to make changes to allow the government to negotiate directly with pharmaceutical companies to lower drug prices for seniors, and this included 70 percent of Republicans.

And 68 percent of those polled said raising the minimum wage should also be a top priority.

Of those sampled, 282 identified themselves as Republicans, 349 as Democrats and 330 as Independents.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 10:37 PM
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97. Who doesn't know about this? It's on all the blogs....
Pity the non-blog readers, I suppose.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 11:01 PM
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99. Thanks for the post, by the way.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 12:03 AM
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102. yep, heard her clip it off in an interview awhile back...
:thumbsup:
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 01:18 AM
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103. I love these ideas!
This is great. These are things that even the Republicans should be voting for!
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njdemocrat106 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 01:29 AM
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104. I'll be looking forward to hearing more from "Speaker Pelosi"
I can't wait to throw these Republican f*ckers out on their asses on November 7th.

The Democratic Party: the party of real ideas.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 03:51 AM
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106. TERRIFIC
This is WONDERFUL!! :bounce: I have to admit this is all new to me.
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Red Right and BLUE Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 04:05 AM
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107. Day One: Put new rules in place to "break the link between lobbyists...
this one means so much to me. I can think of few things we need more. PLEASE let this happen.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 05:23 AM
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108. Anyone wonder why Pelosi is badmouthed so often now? The
rethugs got 'the promise'.
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cmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 07:28 AM
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112. I have it posted on the wall in front of me when I phone bank
Gotta be ready for the pubbies who say we have no plan.
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