What Is a "Lynne Cheney Democrat," Anyway?

[CorpGovActivist]

A Lynne Cheney Democrat is a Democrat who wants gays and lesbians to smile for the official family photo - but not to join the family on the dais during the convention: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Cheney

A Lynne Cheney Democrat feigns righteous indignation when others outside "the family" mention the gay family members in the party: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=elizabeth+edwards+lynne+response+it+makes+me+really+sad+that+that%27s

A Lynne Cheney Democrat says, "Why can't they just enter into legal agreements that approximate marriage?" http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=cheney+people+should+be+free+to+enter+into+any+kind+of+relationship+they+want

A Lynne Cheney Democrat will race to scapegoat gays and lesbians for their "lousy" timing in New Jersey - rather than honestly concede that Menendez has been a poor candidate: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2482221&mesg_id=2482221

A Lynne Cheney Democrat wants loving gay and lesbian couples to accept a modern-day THREE-FIFTHS COMPROMISE: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2489972&mesg_id=2489972

Are you a "Lynne Cheney Democrat"?

Or are you a Bayard Rustin Democrat? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayard_Rustin

If there is much to celebrate on the night of November 7th, is there room enough on the dais for us, or should we celebrate in the closet, off-stage, and off-camera?

Just tell us where our "marks" are - we'll hit them.

- Dave

[acmejack]

1. No such thing.

Lynne Cheney + Democrat = Oxymoron. Sorry No sale on this one. Maybe you can retitle it, but Lynne Cheney conjures up a hideous beast, not any sort of Democrat, IMO.

[CorpGovActivist]

3. If It Walks Like Lynne Cheney, and Talks Like Lynne Cheney...

... but carries around a Democratic Party membership card -

then it's a Lynne Cheney Democrat.

Don't like the label?

Don't wear it then - meaning, don't act like her.

- Dave

[acmejack]

10. Seems you should have just come right out and accused me of homophobia.

For whatever reasons you seem to have, despite the fact you don't know me but you have jumped on the soapbox tossed in a healthy dose of scripture, then even managed to accuse me of acting like Lynne Cheney. Overall, I'd say that's a damn fine days work.

edit: and it's still Bullshit, I found your response most offensive. I won't wear a label, especially one assigned by you, who has no knowledge of who I might actually be!

[CorpGovActivist]

11. Hold on There, Sparky...

... I simply invited you - and others - not to wear the label, by not emulating Lynne's lame conduct.

To be 100% clear: I don't assume you're homophobic.

- Dave

P.S. You said that there is no such thing as a Lynne Cheney Democrat. I can point you to several threads this week that clearly argue otherwise.

[acmejack]

17. You're right, as reluctant as I am to admit it.

It is easy enough to read posts right here in river city and see clearly what you are saying. I need to drink coffee, then post. Perhaps I need to drink something considerably stronger...

edit: would you believe I let my own personal bias against Lynne run away?

[CorpGovActivist]

19. Thank You...

... you just proved yourself to be one of the few open-minded exceptions that luminary John Kenneth Galbraith praised: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=john+kenneth+galbraith+proof+faced+with+the+choice+between+changing+one%27s+mind+almost+everyone+gets+busy+on+the

I am sorry I wasn't clearer that I wasn't calling you, personally, a Lynne Cheney Democrat.

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

20. I Met Her, in Person, When She Was Holed up...

... at the Harvard K School, after Bush 41 was defeated.

She is a beastly person.

- Dave

[donco6]

2. Not that anyone would admit it.

But there are quite a few here.

[CorpGovActivist]

4. It Amazes Me...

... how few Democrats know the story of Bayard Rustin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayard_Rustin

He worked tirelessly during the Civil Rights movement - but many did not reciprocate, when he moved on to address the prejudice he'd encountered from his "other" difference.

- Dave

[LeftishBrit]

15. Thanks for info about him!

I'm ashamed to say that I hadn't heard of him. He was a truly inspiring man.

[CorpGovActivist]

16. He Was Spied on by J. Edgar Hoover...

... who also tried to insinuate that MLK and he were involved:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=hoover+bayard+rustin

Hoover was obsessed with Rustin.

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

5. I Am Reminded of What Christ Said...

Mark 8.38: "Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels."

Stripping that of its religious overtones, and just treating it as the words of a teacher, social activist, and malcontent of his day, the meaning resonates here, today, in the modern context.

If so much of the Democratic party is "ashamed of" the GLBT community and "our words" in this day and age, then why shouldn't we return the favor, and be ashamed of them later?

I cast my votes for progressive candidates (the overwhelming majority of whom are affiliated as Democrats). I work hard for progressive causes - not just (or even primarily) gay and lesbian ones.

So why should I bite my tongue when pseudo-progressives emerge who are ready to throw in the towel in New Jersey, and grab loving gay and lesbians by the scruff of the collar as the most convenient scapegoat?

Our community has carried more than enough water.

Scapegoat us in the NJ race if you must. Be ashamed of us now.

But don't be surprised if we're too "ashamed" of the Party later on down the road to open our checkbooks, our homes, and our day planners.

If the DNC "leaders" don't have enough common sense to figure out how to "jujitsu" the NJ high court vote, and turn it against Kean, then there need to be some firings at DNC HQ come November 8th.

- Dave

[IdesOfOctober]

6. I personally would add...

... that a "Lynne Cheney Democrat" is any Democratic Member of Congress who:

1. appears on these voting rolls as opposing gay marriage;

2. has had at least one divorce; and then

3. campaigns on the "sanctity" of marriage:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2004/roll484.xml

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=2&vote=00155

Ides

[CorpGovActivist]

14. Well, to Be Fair...

... there are a lot more GOP Members of Congress that would meet those criteria, using the same roll call votes.

- Dave

[A Simple Game]

7. I know, I know, a Lynne Cheney Democrat is,

a Republican.

There that wasn't so hard, was it?

[acmejack]

9. Thank you.

[CorpGovActivist]

12. No, There Really ARE Lynne Cheney Democrats...

... and they walk and talk just like her.

They want the gays and lesbians in the party to smile for the photo opp, but not be "too" front and center.

They want our support - lots of DINKs in our community, after all - but when we come calling for the "return on our investment," they turn into deadbeats.

- Dave

[A Simple Game]

23. An elephant can call itself a donkey, but it is still an elephant. n/t

[CorpGovActivist]

24. No, These Are Dems...

... they may not be the sort of Dems you like to identify with, but they're Dems.

Sam Nunn was an elephant?

- Dave

[A Simple Game]

28. You are probably right.

I am confusing Democrat with liberal, I should know better.

[CorpGovActivist]

29. Progressives and Libertarians, Too...

... not to mention small-c conservatives, who feel the government has no business in our bedrooms.

- Dave

[mmonk]

8. A republican

[CorpGovActivist]

13. No, Really...

... if you don't want to face up to the fact that there really are "segregationist" Dems in this modern day and age - just like there were during the Civil Rights Act fight - fine.

But the fact remains: some of the most heinous homophobic legislation has been sponsored by, supported, and demagogued by those who proudly proclaim their Democratic Party affiliation.

Is Senator Sam Nunn a Republican or a Democrat? Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

Is President Bill Clinton a Republican or a Democrat? DOMA.

I deeply admire General Wesley Clark, for basically saying, "You know what? I'm too smart, too erudite, and too honest to pretend that this isn't wrong. Gay rights are human rights. Period."

- Dave

[spanone]

18. An Oxymoran.

[CorpGovActivist]

22. You'd Think So...

... but based on the shameful reaction of some Dems this week to the NJ high court decision, they live and breath.

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

30. Isn't That What They Used to Say...

... about a "Reagan Democrat"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_election

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_election

- Dave

[IdesOfOctober]

33. Good point...

... and what's with the lack of progressive thought on this topic?

: /

Ides

[Binka]

34. What's With You Two Playing Tag Team?

Bull crap. Enough of your insight. Ignore for both of you new guys. NOW!

[CorpGovActivist]

39. What's with...

... your unwillingness to take on the premise of the OP?

Sweeping the issue under the rug doesn't work - just ask Lynne Cheney, and the Democrats who've emulated her approach.

- Dave

[Maven]

21. K/R

[CorpGovActivist]

27. Russ Has Great Staffers...

... met a few, beginning this past spring.

- Dave

[ronnykmarshall]

31. Well hello Hedy!

[Maven]

32. Ronny, please!

You'll make all the other posters feel inadequate!

:+

P.S. That's Head-leh.

[glitch]

25. I thought it was going to be someone who becomes a Democrat because

Lynne Cheney represents Republican.

[CorpGovActivist]

26. No, It's a Dem Who Triangulates...

... the gay rights issue like a Rovite, rather than fighting the good - and eventually, victorious - fight for equality.

- Dave

[PicketFence]

36. I thought the same thing,

Glitch, when I saw the headline, I thought it was someone that changed parties because they don't like Lynn Cheney. Anyways this is a good question and hits close to home. I have a gay daughter. For the most part she is in the closet, her choice not mine. I have no problem with her being gay and if she wants to stand up to her girlfriends family and tell them they are gay I support that in everyway. I wouldn't even consider turning her away or telling her to keep this a secret to keep from "shaming" the family. And I agree gays shouldn't be scapegoated if someone loses an election because a ruling is percieved as a problem.

[CorpGovActivist]

37. HUGE HUG ...

... for a supportive parent.

Thank you!

- Dave

[Cha]

35. I wouldn't imagine there would be such an

animal. A lynne cheney(I feel weird just typing that shew's name)republiCON maybe since she's mostly about lies, lies, vapidity, and taking over the Earth with the rest of the withering neoCons.

[CorpGovActivist]

38. If the Bond of Motherhood ...

... isn't enough to cause Lynne Cheney to put her daughter's equal rights above the party's needs ...

... why would you have trouble believing that "party label" (in this case, Democrat) is not always enough of a shared bond to warrant support?

- Dave