If they steal this election, can genocide be far behind?

[Cyrano]

And yes, I know how crazy that sounds. Nonetheless, we always felt we were different from the rest of the world. We always believed that fascism could never come to America. But for all practical purposes, it's here. And where fascism thrives, mass murder is never far behind. (Why is Haliburton building so many "detention centers" on American soil?)

Think about it for a moment. George W. Bush relished signing execution orders in Texas. Karl Rove will do "whatever it takes" to ensure ongoing Republican control into the foreseeable future. Dick Cheney -- well, does anyone really think Cheney would have a problem with genocide?

So why would they, Rumsfeld included, hesitate to discard of their "enemies" through any means possible? They don't seem to have any trouble sleeping while American deaths in Iraq approach 3,000 and the number of Iraqi's who have died number perhaps in the hundreds of thousands.

If they steal the upcoming election and hold on to the entire congress, who or what is to stop them from doing anything they want to do? The courts? The constitution? Conscience? None of these things has stopped them for the past six years. So why not get rid of pests like Keith Olberman, Helen Thomas, Paul Krugman, Al Franken, Randi Rhodes, Greg Palast, Seymour Hersh, Cindy Sheehan,and so many thousands more including you and me?

So what do we do if they steal the upcoming election? Do we wait to see what happens next? Or do we fight them through all possible means? It's something to which we need to give some serious thought right now. They know the consequences if they lose -- honest investigations will be held regarding their crimes against the constitution and humanity.

(Edited for spelling.)

[Fridays Child]

1. From the infamous PNAC document, "Rebuilding America's Defenses..."

"And advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool." -pg. 60 (pg. 72, on pdf reader software)

[nebenaube]

2. a gift from the "klingerman foundation" ... no doubt! n/t

[Parisle]

3. When you set your sights on ruling the Earth,....

.... as the global corporatist-backed PNAC has done, then it stands to reason that there will be no groundrules. These guys would stop at nothing,... not after coming this far. This is the battle of the corporatist elite to control dwindling resources, manage a herd-like market and maintain an order to their liking. This is it, folks.

[cybildisobedience]

6. why stop at Earth?

Aren't they claiming title to space, as well?

[Whoa_Nelly]

5. With your excellent research and writing skills

You could write a book about the PNAC and its goals by way of the current administration explaining and exposing them in a way that many who have little or no interest in politics may become more actively engaged.

I really think you could do this.

[smirkymonkey]

4. I wouldn't put anything past them.

I honestly believe there is NOTHING these criminals wouldn't do to insure that all goes according to plan. I just have a hard time conjuring up exactly what it would look like.

I always wondered why people never left Nazi Germany when they started to see what was happening, but I think by the time you realize that you are at the point of no return, it's too late to go anywhere.

[Parisle]

7. Original Poster's question still stands,....

---- What WOULD we do if the next election is manipulated? The question is particularly ironic in light of the fact that the Bush administration virtually backs up its every constitutional transgression with the unstated, sneering dare,.."What are you gonna do about it?"

[Cyrano]

8. That's the crux of the post, Parisle. What WOULD we do if they steal this time?

[Parisle]

14. I liked the post very much, Cyrano

---- That single question,..... "What WOULD we do?" ... belies a lot of the anecdotal outrage seen in this forum. Very constructive. I took a shot at a possible solution a couple weeks back and didn't elicit much enthusiasm, although I still think the basis for my suggestion is still in the ballpark. What it comes down to is this: At least one state is going to have to step up and TREAT this as the constitutional crisis it IS. States which are almost completely democratically dominated at both the state AND federal levels include Washington state & West Virginia, notably,... with Massachusetts and a couple others in the running. Somebody has to reject dubious results and call for extraordinary measures,... including the threat to ignore further federal directives and executive decrees until the matter is solved among the states. Some new ground will undoubtedly be covered in the process,...

---- The point is this: To oppose a "criminal" federal government requires some sort of legal platform of operation. A state government is about all we have to go with,... but it is the proper jurisdiction. Three states acting together would present the neocons with an impasse,... they cannot send tanks into three American states.

[smirkymonkey]

9. They'll continue to have the attitude "what are you going to

do about it?" until, I suppose, we do something about it. :shrug:

When ARE we going to do something about it?

[Cyrano]

10. I have a feeling that if they steal the upcoming election, the anger

will finally reach a boiling point. I can't foresee what will happen, but my guess is there will be a hell of a lot of people in the streets this time around.

[smirkymonkey]

16. And that's where the genocide comes in....

heh heh.

I'm only half joking, but I expect that the U.S. will have a "Bloody Sunday" of it's own in the not too distant future.

If they were to steal another election, they must have a plan as to how they will deal with the backlash. Because there WILL be a backlash.

[Rex]

11. I don't think the military would put up with it.

Granted, we've been in a constitutional crisis for 6 years. It would take a huge amount of mobility on the feds part to start processing people. It just wouldn't work, no one in the military would stand for it.

[earth mom]

12. I've been thinking they will find a way to suspend or cancel the elections...

I'm surprised more people here don't seem as worried especially in light of the Torture Bill and what happened with Posse Comitatus

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2428642

:scared:

[BeFree]

13. They're worried

But what can be done? It takes a personal effort, an effort that means speaking the truth to people face to face. Its tough and only a few brave souls are willing to take on the task. Its why our governemnt is based upon sending representatives to the BIG forum and not having a truly particpatory democracy. People are worried, they just don't want to get involved.

As to the election, the question can be asked: What can I do? At this point be prepared to raise hell anyway you can.... internet, email, flyers, face to face conversations based upon the information that election researchers will produce come Nov. 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, etc.

It is important that we have solidarity as the freepers will show up here to try to keep the stolen election message from making waves.

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

15. I watched Oprah this morning. Bill-O was on shilling his book.

At one point during the discussion he began a diatribe defending Cheney's statement during his radio interview the other day re: "a dunk in the water".

After Bill-O spewed the sewage from his mouth the audience actually clapped. I literally got a chill up my spine.

I live in the Chicago area and I would venture a guess that most of the audience participants on this particular Oprah show do as well.

If they can clap for torture, why would they do anything if their neighbors or co-workers began disappearing under mysterious circumstances? I am really beginning to believe that most Americans are so afraid of the terror boogeyman, they have collectively lost their minds.