Bush Moves Toward Martial Law

[kpete]

Bush Moves Toward Martial Law
Frank Morales


The historic and ominous re-writing of the Insurrection Act, accomplished in the dead of night, which gives Bush the legal authority to declare martial law, is now an accomplished fact.

October 26, 2006

In a stealth maneuver, President Bush has signed into law a provision which, according to Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont), will actually encourage the President to declare federal martial law (1). It does so by revising the Insurrection Act, a set of laws that limits the President's ability to deploy troops within the United States. The Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C.331 -335) has historically, along with the Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C.1385), helped to enforce strict prohibitions on military involvement in domestic law enforcement. With one cloaked swipe of his pen, Bush is seeking to undo those prohibitions.

Public Law 109-364, or the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" (H.R.5122) (2), which was signed by the commander in chief on October 17th, 2006, in a private Oval Office ceremony, allows the President to declare a "public emergency" and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to "suppress public disorder."

President Bush seized this unprecedented power on the very same day that he signed the equally odious Military Commissions Act of 2006. In a sense, the two laws complement one another. One allows for torture and detention abroad, while the other seeks to enforce acquiescence at home, preparing to order the military onto the streets of America. Remember, the term for putting an area under military law enforcement control is precise; the term is "martial law."

...............

It has become clear in recent months that a critical mass of the American people have seen through the lies of the Bush administration; with the president's polls at an historic low, growing resistance to the war Iraq, and the Democrats likely to take back the Congress in mid-term elections, the Bush administration is on the ropes. And so it is particularly worrying that President Bush has seen fit, at this juncture to, in effect, declare himself dictator.

LOTS MORE (plus links and references)AT:
http://www.uruknet.biz/?p=m27769&hd=0&size=1&l=e

[Gabi Hayes]

1. WHATTTTTTT??????

where's my fffing passport?

THERE it is...I can see it sticking out of my desk drawer!

C

Ya

[Cha]

51. We need you here for

the Revolution! We're not lettin' those bushites steal our country!

I don't care how many laws they sign in the dead of night..those fuckers will NOT control us.

[file83]

208. But almost ALL of our Representatives voted for this! Look at the graphic:

The blue areas represent the "Aye" votes - the red are the "Nay".

How are we going to get any help in fighting Bush if all our reps are "in bed" with him?

Umm... click here for source of data

[upi402]

325. all those who flamed me for my anti DINO posts -look who voted for it;

Aye CA-8 Pelosi, Nancy

Our Democratic Party's great hope. Also took impeachment off the table. I'd like to think the Dems are keeping their powder dry but seriously folks. How many times must we get beat before we leave the abuser? We need an opposition party.

Way to go happy shiny people. Enjoy your fascism, you've earned it.

[SouthernBelle82]

242. They already have stolen it

They've been in charge since 2000 and have been stealing it ever since. So that's already done with.

[texpatriot2004]

2. He's an evil bastard and so are the puppetmasters nm

[msongs]

3. gee you'd think democrats would say something

or do something about this. martial law declared by the republicans. sounds like a CAMPAIGN ISSUE to me :-(

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm

[Just-plain-Kathy]

106. To many of our democratic leaders are waiting...

...for the '08 elections to say anything. They all want to be President. :cry:

[shanti]

152. well, if they aspire to be president

they better goddam say something!!!!!!

[mom cat]

182. Some of our dems have sold out to the big money power meisters

and abandoned the majority of Americans, The Democratic minority would have been enough to fillibuster all the bills giving dictatorial powers to the uber rich puppet masters. Even with the chimp's ratings in the toilet, they have succeeded in ammassing imperial facist powers beyond their wildest dreams, all it takes for evil to succeed is for good people to be silent ... and for wolves in sheeps clothing to betray us!

[cautiouslywaiting]

211. This is so frustrating.

I've written to my rep again.

[wtmusic]

226. Feingold took the last bullet with his motion to censure

How about a little help? :shrug:

[jwirr]

241. They won't have a country left to be president of.

[Delphinus]

299. You're absolutely correct.

This country died when the Military Commissions Act was signed into law and congress did nothing to stop it.

[GoogleTheTruth]

316. This has been in the works for almost a Century...

When the big time bankers in the early 1900s persuaded our government to hand over the printing and creation of Federal Monies to them, i.e. The "Privately Owned" Federal Reserve -- which is against the constitution -- and since then, it's been an all out Fascist haul (Fascism = Corporatism) by these "bankers" to sedate the American (and Europeans I might add) people with Debt, Taxes and prescription drugs and Social segregation (how many of you are on some kind of depressant drug or have kids diagnosed with ADD or some other "psychological" disorder?).

What we are seeing now is the final move by these NeoConElites in taking over the world's most influential Super Power for their own means in the name of "New World Order" and "Globalization". All the evidence is there, just look it up. The same people who influence/own/manage the Federal Reserve run the same circles as the people who own the Mega Corporate Media companies.

Everyone has been and will be distracted by these "stalling" military maneuvers, because they know, they know, we all have to look for the dead bodies when we pass an accident on the highway. The key to changing this is to severe the head of all of America's problem... force Congress to exercise their Constitutional Rights to shut down the Federal Reserver and make the creation of Money a Federal responsibility.

So when you ask yourself "how is it possible the there are laws that exist that go against the very grain of our Constitution? How could of this happened?" See above? We have been brainwashed generation over generation to believe this is truly the American way. Hmmm, I really can quite remember being taught all my constitutional rights in school... can you?

I sometimes sit back and say "Stop it, your becoming delusional and getting caught up, our leaders would never do this to us." Then I slap myself, look at all the things they HAVE done for us and am shocked back into reality.

-- Two Cents and a Quarter

[bdamomma]

320. its truly amazing and sad, how this congress has given the ok

to this idiotic man who has stolen the presidency, and we are all watching this unfold right before our eyes. Maybe to simple to say on my part but there are more of us than them.

[John Gauger]

264. No fucking kidding.

Yeah, I would think martial law would be a goddamn campaign issue.

[HockeyMom]

4. Can election results be decalred Null and Voild Also?

[Land Shark]

114. there's a definite risk of that; and i'm practicing election law

[mom cat]

183. Thank God you are! At least there will be doctumentation of the theft

of democracy. Stay safe.

[melody]

260. Maybe this is leading up to that

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/15869919.htm

[Randy Ranger]

5. The S.O.B. is getting ready for a complete takeover.

Just waiting for election fraud reaction as an excuse to
declare martial law.

[BeHereNow]

39. WELCOME TO DU RR.

I think, however, the plans are to utililize the
dictorial powers after another attack rather than
the election fraud, which is not to say the two
will not happen simultaneously.
BHN

[kpete]

237. Welcome To The Fight

Randy Ranger!

[StClone]

245. That's what I say

They are fearful and planning for insurrection once the voting is blatantly flipped. All I can say is we must infiltrate the military and police so they side with America not the Nazis.

[MannyGoldstein]

6. Don't Worry!!! The Brave Congressional Dems Have Got Your Back!!!

They'll stop at nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, to preserve our civil liberties.

[robinlynne]

7. Well that certainly makes me feel safe.

[BeHereNow]

25. God MG, you crack me up!!!

I've been saying it here for years-
THERE ARE NO KNIGHTS ON WHITE HORSES COMING TO SAVE US.
There is no longer a two party system in this country-
no checks and balances in our government as prescribed
by our founding fathers.
I am simply astounded by the people who still believe
this train is not headed for the edge of the cliff.

BHN

[Cha]

53. ACLU certainly has their

work cut out for them. I give them a small monthly stipend which they are putting to good use, I'm sure.

Yeah, gotta love those dems..they're out there fightin' for our civil rights as we type.

[EFerrari]

62. LOL!

Au contraire -- we have their backs -- all of them

:rofl:

[ronnie624]

218. This is no laughing matter,

but I can't help but find your sarcasm very amusing.

[Karenca]

8. k --- r . NT

[BlueJac]

9. Fuck the criminal

[mikelewis]

11. If that will get him out of office, I might but...

I want it in writing first.

[vssmith]

94. Will you hold him down?

[frogcycle]

192. sorry

there's not enough viagra on the planet for me to pull that off

little willie would just head for canada!

[Megahurtz]

10. WHAT???

WHAT THE FUCK???:wtf:

This is an outrage! He can't trap us like this!
Does he even have enough Military to patrol every town is this Country?
And for what???

[BeHereNow]

38. Remember "The School of the Americas?"

Not to worry, they have PLENTY of soldiers trained there,
to help them control the the citizens here.

BHN

[elehhhhna]

190. I have faith in the US resistance...

the NRA has endosrsed IIRC 30 Dem candidates for November. Why? That's where al their new memberships are coming from.

If Mister Butch pulls the trigger and unleashes mercs within our borders, many, many people will die. Maybe me & mine. No telling.

I expect y'all to make sure it will have been worth it.

[bdamomma]

41. Arent't they all in Iraq or Afghanistan getting killed for bush's noble cause

one question: now is it time for our confrontation???????????

[druidity33]

171. troops will return...

just in time to enforce the National curfew and bridge and road checkpoints...

:(

[elehhhhna]

191. Papier, bitte?

[SammyWinstonJack]

50. FEMA and REX 84

:scared:

[patrick t. cakes]

12. yikes

getting scarier everyday.

[Catherine Vincent]

13. I remember when the freepers feared this of President Clinton.

[MGD]

72. yeah, paranoia knows no party. nt

[me b zola]

99. Are you suggesting that this is paranoia? The idiot king signed this into law.

Clinton never rewrote the Constitution, stripping us of our civil liberties--the idiot boy-king, OTOH, has.

[MGD]

273. Yes, I am suggesting that; however,

just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that people aren't conspiring to relieve you of your civil liberties.

"Clinton never rewrote the Constitution, stripping us of our civil liberties"

I guess you are one of those individuals who doesn't consider the second ammendment to really be a civil liberty then?

[me b zola]

300. I'm a gun owner who is not paranoid about guns being taken away from me

Clinton never ordered an entire American city to hand over their weapons, bush* did. I am not opposed to some degree of gun control, and there is no left wing conspiracy to take away everyone's weapons.

If it ever gets to the point where mercenaries carrying automatic weapons are "patrolling the streets" where I live--once again, never happened under Clinton--I will not be handing over my weapons. :hi:

[MGD]

303. I'm a gun owner who is not worried about martial law being enacted.

I could argue against your points but I'm content to politely and respectfully let them pass without comment. Peace.:toast:

[wtmusic]

14. The CRS summary of the bill:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:HR05122:@@@D&summ2=m&

Subtitle E: Defense Against Terrorism and Related Security Matters

"(Sec. 1042) Revises federal provisions allowing the President to utilize the Armed Forces in connection with interference with federal and state law to allow the President to employ the Armed Forces and National Guard in federal service to restore public order in cases of natural disaster, epidemic or other public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or domestic violence. Requires the President to notify Congress within 14 days of the exercise of such authority. Authorizes the President, when exercising such authority, to direct the Secretary to provide supplies, services, and equipment to persons affected by the situation."

[bdamomma]

54. okay what does all this mean, are they going to steal the election

and hoping that all of us are going to be aggressive?

[wtmusic]

98. what it means is that legally the president can decide

whenever he wants that "public violence" (his definition) warrants him shutting down the Constitution and taking control over a state. Any state.

[shanti]

156. this was predicted on DU

and met with derision....

[file83]

207. That's the part that is freaking me out...

...I've been worried about this eventuality for 3 years or so, but everyone used to call it "unproductive" and a "conspiracy theory".

The part that is freaking me out is that the conspiracy "theory" is now conspiracy "fact" and being discussed in the main stream.

Now it is reality, in law at least.

I used to be comforted when people would denounce my fears - it made me think that maybe I was just being paranoid...

...it appears that I wasn't paranoid enough.

[Bluerthanblue]

289. does this supersede states rights?, like

the clause in the NH state constitution that gives us the 'right of revolution'?

"Art.] 10. Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind. June 2, 1784"

Not much consolation even at best-

[elehhhhna]

193. Maybe they'll say WE stole the elction, then shoot us...

"I'm gonna kill one hundred people a day until y'all CHEER UP!"

[Marie26]

123. How does this not violate Posse Comitatus?

That law expressly forbids the use of military troops as a domestic police force. Also, I noticed that this section is also modified by Bush's signing statement:

"A number of provisions in the Act call for the executive branch to furnish information to the Congress or other entities on various subjects. These provisions include ... sections 1402. ... The executive branch shall construe such provisions in a manner consistent with the President's constitutional authority to withhold information the disclosure of which could impair foreign relations, the national security, the deliberative processes of the Executive, or the performance of the Executive's constitutional duties.

Meaning, Section 1402 says that Bush must notify Congress within 14 days after he decides to use military troops as a domestic police force. But the signing statement says that Bush feels like he can "withhold" this information from Congress as long as he likes.

[wtmusic]

131. Exactly

The "national security" excuse comes in handy under just about any circumstances which require full disclosure.

[Ms. Toad]

219. Bush cannot modify anything

with a signing statement.

The legislative branch makes the laws; Bush can sign them or veto them. ALL a signing statement does is explain how he intends to interpret the law. Since he isn't on the Supreme Court, aside from arguing for that interpretation in his executive branch role through the Attorney General, his interpretation is meaningless. Even with its current composition, the Supreme Court has confirmed that signing statements have no place in interpreting the law. In the most recent decision on the matter Scalia and Alito (and perhaps others - I don't recall) whined in their dissent that the presidential signing statement should be taken into account when interpreting the meaning of the law. (The fact that they were whining in a dissent means they LOST the argument that signing statements should have more weight.)

EVEN if the dissenters convince enough of the Supremes to have a majority, they are still only suggesting the signing statements should be used in the same manner legislative history is used - when a law is unclear (and only then) legislative history may be used to clarify any ambiguity in the law.

Let's not suggest that the idiot in chief more power than even his supporters contend he has - and we should be correcting the media when they suggest that Bush has actually modified laws by signing statements.

[Marie26]

287. It's meaningless, except he's the most powerful man in the US.

Therefore, his signing statements have incredible force. Bush doesn't release signing statements about what the Supreme Court can do, or regular citizens. Instead, his signing statements concentrate exclusively on the executive branch, which he controls. A law is basically meaningless if it isn't enforced or executed. In these statements, Bush flat-out says that he (& the executive branch) won't be following certain parts of an enacted law. And who's going to stop him? Congress? I agree w/you that these signing statements should have absolutely no legal force, but they do show Bush's intentions. And his intention is to remove any Congressional restriction on executive branch power. I think the Supreme Court needs to rule on this practice as soon as possible to stop this abuse of power. But until they do, and until Congress stops him, Bush is basically telling us which laws he doesn't intend to follow. And that's valuable information.

[Ms. Toad]

288. Just because someone announces in advance

that he interprets the law in a certain manner and intends to comply with his own interpretation doesn't change the law - even if that person is the president of the United States.

The Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that the line item veto is unconstitutional (what Bush is essentially doing by saying he won't follow certain portions of the law). As recently as the Guantanamo Bay military tribunals the justices who wanted to give increase the power of signing statements LOST the argument - even this trio (Alito, Scalia, and Thomas) (merely suggested giving signing statements the same clarifying power as legislative history) they did not suggest that Bush had the power to change the law by issuing signing statements. My point is that we should not be letting the media get away with stating that signing statements amend the law (that's where we've picked it up) - and we should not be saying it ourselves.

That said, it does give us valuable information about his intentions, so that we can be prepared to force him to comply with the law when he does what he says he intends to do - as he did with the military tribunals. When he disobeyed the law he was forced to at least go through the motions of obtaining legislative approval - now we need to concentrate on getting a legislature with some backbone.

[Marie26]

290. No, it doesn't change the law

I'm agreeing with you. But it DOES say what Bush is intending to do, legally or not. And that's a tip-off. When he adds signing statements on torture legislation, that means he's still torturing. And when he adds a statement on Congressional notification requirements, that means he's planning to hide something from Congress. It's a handy way of knowing which laws he plans to violate.

[Ms. Toad]

324. My only point was to respond to:

this comment in your post: "I noticed that this section is also modified by Bush's signing statement." I started to see this explanation of Bush's signing statements in the MSM recently - and shortly thereafter repeated here.

Bush has been ceded far too much power by the Legislative branch which is supposed to keep him in check. I think it is critically important that we not accidentally grant him more by accepting his inaccurate framing of the impact of signing statements - particularly when we have his supreme court on our side.

[LibertyorDeath]

302. They have no respect for the Rule of Law

a cursory glance at their actions makes that crystal clear.

Their goal is to remove recourse to the Law and they are on their
way to achieving it.

As far as these power mad freaks are concerned

THEY ARE THE LAW

[Ms. Toad]

323. So far, the Supreme Court disagrees,

at least with respect to signing statements.

If we keep agreeing with Bush that his signing statements actually amend the law we are conceding defeat - my only point is that we should challenging that statement (that Bush's signing statements amend the law) every time it is made - not repeating it ourselves (see the post to which I responded), as if it were fact.

[BelgianMadCow]

321. there are sentences coming back in each one of them

always containing "unitary executive".

[DFLer4edu]

161. This is scary, plus another link

What is with the democrats? Every one of the bastards voted for it!
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?tab=summary&bill=h109-5122

[Divine Discontent]

275. 14 days???

the halls of congress could be gone by then. domestic violence??? sounds like the "cover all" wording needed for shutting down civil rights... there's only so many lawyers that have expertise in this area...

basically, they could take over, and it's simply the responsibility of all americans to refute any such blatant disregard for democracy and voter's rights... but I hope it never comes to that.


frankly, the Dems losing the house would make me rather disturbed, as if they know if they don't do that, they'll be totally exposed and therefore can't allow it.

i'll just pray


www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- antibush prodem stickers/shirts

[Jcrowley]

15. Rest Easy Good Citizen

Senator Leahy's final ruminations: "Since hearing word a couple of weeks ago that this outcome was likely, I have wondered how Congress could have gotten to this point. It seems the changes to the Insurrection Act have survived the Conference because the Pentagon and the White House want it."

The historic and ominous re-writing of the Insurrection Act, accomplished in the dead of night, which gives Bush the legal authority to declare martial law, is now an accomplished fact.

[readmoreoften]

22. your signature line is amazing. /nt

[Land Shark]

117. a long time ago, that's how they did the pledge of allegiance in USA

[leftchick]

186. I have a very vague memory of that

I thought it was a nightmare. :scared:

[SouthernBelle82]

243. You do?

Wow. I've only read about it. Apparently that's where Hitler got the idea. Scary eh?

[babydollhead]

328. kick

[helderheid]

16. My head hurts

http://www7.nationalacademies.org/ocga/laws/PL109_364.asp

[BeHereNow]

36. Not to worry, the Bushes will have LOTS of clean water in

PARAGUAY.

Fucking OUTRAGEOUS- that link you posted.
I think we can safely assume, at this point, that
we are of no consequence to the global elite.

BHN

[bdamomma]

46. they won't be clean out there either.

[elehhhhna]

17. The Signing Statement for above ref'd Fascist Takeover Bill:

Statement on Signing the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act
for Fiscal Year 2007

October 17, 2006

Today, I have signed into law H.R. 5122, the ``John Warner National
Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007'' (the ``Act''). The Act
authorizes funding for the defense of the United States and its
interests abroad, for military construction, for national security-
related energy programs, and for maritime security-related
transportation programs.
Several provisions of the Act call for executive branch officials to
submit to the Congress recommendations for legislation, or purport to
regulate the manner in which the President formulates recommendations to
the Congress for legislation. These provisions include sections 516(h),
575(g), 603(b), 705(d), 719(b), 721(e), 741(e), 813, 1008, 1016(d),
1035(b)(3), 1047(b), and 1102 of the Act, section 118(b)(4) of title 10,
United States Code, as amended by section 1031 of the Act, section 2773b
of title 10 as amended by section 1053 of the Act, and section 403 of
the Ronald W. Reagan National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year
2005 (Public Law 108-375) as amended by section 403 of the Act. The
executive branch shall construe these provisions in a manner consistent
with the President's constitutional authority to supervise the unitary
executive branch and to recommend for the consideration of the Congress
such measures as the President deems necessary and expedient.
The executive branch shall construe sections 914 and 1512 of the
Act, which purport to make consultation with specified Members of
Congress a precondition to the execution of the law, as calling for but
not mandating such consultation, as is consistent with the
Constitution's provisions concerning the separate powers of the Congress
to legislate and the President to execute the laws.
A number of provisions in the Act call for the executive branch to
furnish information to the Congress or other entities on various
subjects. These provisions include sections 219, 313, 360, 1211, 1212,
1213, 1227, 1402, and 3116 of the Act, section 427 of title 10,

<[Page 1837>]

United States Code, as amended by section 932 of the Act, and section
1093 of the Ronald W. Reagan National Defense Authorization Act for
Fiscal Year 2005 (Public Law 108-375) as amended by section 1061 of the
Act. The executive branch shall construe such provisions in a manner
consistent with the President's constitutional authority to withhold
information the disclosure of which could impair foreign relations, the
national security, the deliberative processes of the Executive, or the
performance of the Executive's constitutional duties.

The executive branch shall construe as advisory section 1011(b)(2)
of the Act, which purports to prohibit the Secretary of the Navy from
retiring a specified warship from operational status unless, among other
things, a treaty organization established by the U.S. and foreign
nations gives formal notice that it does not desire to maintain and
operate that warship. If construed as mandatory rather than advisory,
the provision would impermissibly interfere with the President's
constitutional authority to conduct the Nation's foreign affairs and as
Commander in Chief.

The executive branch shall construe section 1211, which purports to
require the executive branch to undertake certain consultations with
foreign governments and follow certain steps in formulating and
executing U.S. foreign policy, in a manner consistent with the
President's constitutional authorities to conduct the Nation's foreign
affairs and to supervise the unitary executive branch.

As is consistent with the principle of statutory construction of
giving effect to each of two statutes addressing the same subject
whenever they can co-exist, the executive branch shall construe section
130d of title 10, as amended by section 1405 of the Act, which provides
further protection against disclosure of certain homeland security
information in certain circumstances, as in addition to, and not in
derogation of, the broader protection against disclosure of information
afforded by section 892 of the Homeland Security Act of 2002 and other
law protecting broadly against disclosure of such information.
George W. Bush
The White House,
October 17, 2006.

Note: H.R. 5122, approved October 17, was assigned Public Law No. 109-
364.




http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=2006_presidential_documents&docid=pd23oc06_txt-16

[solara]

27. This is important to get out too

In effect, Bush and his cronies have made sure that he no longer has to 'ask' permission or even notify Congress to enact this law.

Is there anyway to kick this reply?

[elehhhhna]

185. when you post, you kick. and THANKS!

[HardRocker05]

233. IOW, he's gonna do whatever he wants. un-f-ing-believable. nt

[SouthernBelle82]

244. I wonder why

they chose John Warner.

[elehhhhna]

271. Being one of Eliz. Taylors ex-husbands, he is a respected authority

on inhumane treatment.

[rodeodance]

274. congress gave him a lot and he took the rest.

[SeattleGirl]

18. What the bloody hell???????

How come this is the first time this has come out (that I know of, anyway, and I read a LOT). Oh. My. God.

[solara]

23. Its been around

PLEASE Check this out...It's really scary

Posted by solara in Editorials & Other Articles
Wed Oct 18th 2006, 11:42 PM

HUGE! Bush Guts Posse Comitatus, Grabs National Guard!

by Major Danby
Wed Oct 18, 2006 at 06:10:33 PM MST

I'm not really all that much of a states' rights guy. I fall more on the "strong federal government" side of the spectrum. So when someone like me starts screaming about a massive sneak attack on federalism, you might want to pay attention.

If I told you that Congress was considering passing a law that gives the President -- this President -- the power, in the event of any "disaster, accident, or catastrophe" that he deems to require it, to:

- involuntarily take National Guard troops from State A and
- require them to work in State B for up to a year,
- in law enforcement rather than just traditional areas like disaster relief,
- over the objection of both state's governors
would you believe it? Probably not. And you'd be right. Congress is not considering such a bill.

IT ALREADY PASSED SUCH A BILL THREE WEEKS AGO!"

Much more: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/10/...

I am not sure if the link is still good

[SeattleGirl]

24. Thanks, solara. There is so much to read and watch and

listen to these days, sometimes things get missed. Appreciate the info. (Though the info itself makes me feel really queasy!)

[bananas]

29. There were several threads on DU too.

It's hard to keep up.

[solara]

30. Queasy... yeah that's what it does to me too

And you're right, there is so much going around to keep our minds occupied...some of it important, some of it not so important..

I wonder if that was part of the plan as well? Maybe I am just being paranoid....again.. But it seems to me that sacrificing a creep or two ( Like Foley, et al ) and having idiots like O'Reilly and Limbaugh running around creating bullshit headlines, (just by being their hateful and ignorant selves) can be very useful in times like these - especially if you want to make sure your secret agenda stays a secret.

Grrrrr

[BeHereNow]

34. Hmmm... you noticed THAT too, eh?

I was beginning to think I was all alone
in that observation.

WELCOME TO DU.

BHN

[Mnemosyne]

109. Not alone.

:hi:

[Mnemosyne]

108. I feel a bit ill myself solara. Check this out:

http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/cointel.htm

And welcome solara! :hi:

[solara]

126. Holy Merde!

Thanks for the link. :hi:

[Mnemosyne]

198. Quite welcome! And it truly is

a huge pile of merde!:hi:

[shanti]

157. it's information overload

meant to make you queasy so that you'll ignore it.

BUT WE WON'T! our lives depend upon it.

[Divine Discontent]

276. DING DING DING!

exactly... they know a lot of americans won't pay attention

my printer is going crazy while I'm typing this... got me paranoid.

don't ya just love the "man" with temporary powers watching over the website looking for messages they deem unfit? I concur with the threatening ones being totally inappropriate, but just the thought that they're watching us makes me think we're in nazi germany, don't those guys have any soul? if they do, and will just turn on the fascists when the time comes, then cool. otherwise, I think the world is becoming very uneasy with the PNAC crowd...


www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- antibush prodem stickers/shirts

[bdamomma]

48. were the American people all asleep when this happened??

there is so much stuff going on under the radar, we are getting the rug pulled right from under us.

[Karenina]

57. YES.

[bdamomma]

63. sorry agent Mike or whatever you are called by these guys must

be incarcerated now.

[jwirr]

250. This law ought to end enlistment in the national guard. It is the only

way that we can prevent them from accomplishing this take over. Get the word out to those they are trying to recruit.

[bdamomma]

52. aren't they like vampires who do their stuff in dead of night

when the citizens have no idea what they are doing?

[SPKrazy]

71. Same Here

I think * has just become so brazen in what he does and the corporate media is in lockstep so much with him, that they don't cover things like this.

I still haven't read about this particular story on the internets either and I have no explanation for that.

I guess we are all toast the way things are going. I want a top bunk at Gitmo!

[meldroc]

82. You can have that top bunk - I'm not going to Gitmo.

I've got a 12 gauge shotgun and several dozen rounds of deer slugs and buckshot that say I'm not going to Gitmo.

Given what the fascists will do when I assert my Second Amendment rights, I guess I'll see you in Hell.

[me b zola]

102. Same here

:hi:

[readmoreoften]

133. Unfortunately, they have weapons that can trump a 12 gauge.

But good luck.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,825082,00.html


blinding you with a laser gun
cooking you with a microwave frequency
knocking you unconscious with a sonic blast

the bastards might be able to take you alive after all.

[shanti]

159. the bastards might be able to take you alive after all.

and then the torture begins....:(

[frogcycle]

203. I may have finally been convinced

I have respected what I believe to be the true spirit of the 2nd amendment while (apparently naively) thinking it had in large part outlived its usefulness, since (1) The populace cannot possibly arm itself sufficiently to raise a militia to resist the weapons of the modern-day army and (2)I thought that was not a realistic threat. So I have felt the anti-gun-control movement was largely people just wanting to keep their toys and get to kill stuff for fun.

Well, folks, I take it all back. If we are going to be the passengers on flight 93, we damned well better take out our share of terrorists (bu$hco) on our way out. If I go buy a shotgun it won't do a damned bit of good as a force of resistance, but if I'm going down maybe I can send a message to others. Let's roll!

Maybe, just maybe, there is enough fight left in the general populace that when the final battle comes - and it now looks imminent - there will be popular resistance. Starting with the National Guard. Any effort to use NG as storm troops, with the history of the past three years of sending them into Iraq to serve as target practice could just backfire. Somebody has to stand up and say "hell no, we won't go", and I expect everyone else on the plane will rise up too. We'll be faced with what we had in 1776 - the loyalists to the crown (big business) vs the rest of us.

[SammyWinstonJack]

265. They'll just confiscate your weapons, problem solved!

[meldroc]

326. Don't think of me as a RW gun-nut,

but I believe the words "They can have them when they take them from my cold dead fingers." applies.

[HereSince1628]

19. Bush is trying to secure totalitarian control, how else can this be viewed?

Are YOU ready to make the required sacrifice? Then, move back from the screen and GOTV!

[QMPMom]

20. Deja Vu? Or a teenager's faith....

Way back in the dark ages - around 1973/74 or so - when I was a wee teen of 16, I thought my best friend's Dad was a bit of a nutjob for saying he was scared that Nixon was going to declare himself a dictator.

"Surely," I thought, "that will never happen in the USA. There are Constitutional provisions to protect the American people from such a thing."

Now that the Consitution is a mere shadow of its former self, I realize that my friend's Dad was a man before his time. It wasn't Nixon, but *. The only comfort is that he's no longer on this earth to witness what * has done to the country he, and we, love.

Whoever would have thought that Nixon could ever been looked upon as a rather benign figure in political crime? Yes, he was bad, but I'll take him over * any time.

[bdamomma]

76. Welcome to DU QMPMom you are correct with one of your observations

the thought of us ever being where we are today never entered our thoughts. Now, are of us are saying we are not immuned...from total corruption and people who think they have absolute power.

[QMPMom]

101. Thanks, Alyce.

I am truly frightened for what may come.

[helderheid]

21. GET THIS TO KEITH - GET THIS TO KEITH

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[moodforaday]

174. Because that will achieve

what exactly, other than ten thousand people simultaneously shaking their heads over their TV dinners?

[helderheid]

184. you're kidding, right?

[Karenca]

187. How do you start a thread with all the names

of news stations, journalists, etc? (For emailing)

This info needs to get out.

[helderheid]

188. Here you go

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2503216

[Karenca]

199. THANK YOU------I POSTED IT

Should I post it in the Lounge too?

The Lounge has so much traffic
but I think the majority there
doesn't know what's going on.

[helderheid]

200. can't hurt!

[Karenca]

202. Will do.

Thanks

:pals:

[Karenca]

204. DONE...nt

[helderheid]

213. WHERE DID IT GO????

[moodforaday]

196. Not at all

I may be wrong about Olbermann's ratings - by an order of magnitude? by two? So be it. But if two stolen elections didn't do it, if Abu Ghraib rape and torture didn't do it, if CIA's torture flights didn't do it, if Katrina didn't, Bush's signing statements didn't, and if all the other scandals did absolutely nothing to change the course and to wake people up, do you think an obscure change in an obscure law will? There's the "it can't happen here" mentality and although it may slowly be waning, it's still predominant. Olbermann will reach some people, and then what?

Almost all Democrats voted for this law just as obediently as the Republicans did. Do you think they're gonna turn around and undo this when (if) they retake both houses? How did Nancy Pelosi vote? Is it a bullet in her 100 hours pledge?

Meanwhile, everybody wakes up only to a sex scandal. It sickens me when a moron like Foley gets kicked in the ass and it seems like a victory and things are turning around. It's just another distraction, while Reps and Dems vote in unison. So Olbermann will deliver another brilliant rant (no sarcasm here, he is good), and let me repat my question: what is it going to change?

[Karenca]

201. The PEOPLE need to know.

American citizens need to know what's going on.

[moodforaday]

247. I'm not disputing that

I guess I'm just despairing.

[cool user name]

235. Exactly ...

I tried to search for this article on the "internets" and there is nothing else out there.

I'm not questioning the article but I am questioning the source. I have never heard of uruk.net before.

I tried "The Google" to find the article and no other site has it.

Why isn't anyone else carrying this?

[moodforaday]

246. Try Google News

Search Google News for:
John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007

You'll get some hits there.

[cool user name]

256. Thank you, marekjed

[Marie26]

297. Here's some actual news:

“Hands Off Guard,” Warn Govs

Congress got an earful from state governors of both parties who blasted a House provision in the 2007 defense authorization bill giving the President emergency powers to federalize the National Guard without a governor’s consent.

The National Governors Association, in a letter to the House and Senate Armed Services Committees, urged conferees working on a final compromise defense bill to reject a House provision allowing the President to take control of National Guard in the event of “a serious natural or manmade disaster, accident, or catastrophe that occurs in the United States, its territories and possessions, or Puerto Rico.” ...

The letter was signed by Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee (R), who was then NGA’s chairman; Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano (D), NGA’s current chairman; and every other US governor. Huckabee told reporters that the House plan “violates 200 years of American history” and continues a pattern by the federal government of trying to turn states into mere satellites controlled by Washington, D.C.

http://www.afa.org/magazine/Oct2006/1006congress.asp

[AikidoSoul]

214. GET THIS TO KEITH AND EVERYBODY IN THE PRESS!!

Not even the Washington Post legal section sent out anything on this for those who subscribe to new legal information. I'm sending this out to as many people as I can-- but shit... there's not enough time in the day to do it in a way that can reach large numbers of voters! This will freak out the NRA types... won't it?

PLEASE.... ALL OF YOU WITH CONTACTS WITH THE PRESS --- SEND OUT EVERYTHING YOU HAVE ON THIS. AND GO TO THE BLOGS ON ALL THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA NEWSPAPERS AND POST SOMETHING. EVEN IF IT'S SCREENED OUT, THEY WILL AT LEAST SEE IT.

Sorry for screaming like this, but I've been sleepless for days over this issue when it was first raised on a little blog at DailyKOS by "Major Danby". But, there's no information in the mainstream press yet, as indicated by the GOOGLE ALERT that shows up blogs only. Too slow. Get going guys....!!!!!!

:banghead: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

[wtmusic]

26. The relevant text of the bill:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c109:6:./temp/~c109J44Q4f:e939137

Sec. 333

(a) Use of Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies- (1) The President may employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to--

`(A) restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that--

`(i) domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order; and

`(ii) such violence results in a condition described in paragraph (2); or

`(B) suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such insurrection, violation, combination, or conspiracy results in a condition described in paragraph (2).

`(2) A condition described in this paragraph is a condition that--

`(A) so hinders the execution of the laws of a State or possession, as applicable, and of the United States within that State or possession, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State or possession are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or

`(B) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.

`(3) In any situation covered by paragraph (1)(B), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.

`(b) Notice to Congress- The President shall notify Congress of the determination to exercise the authority in subsection (a)(1)(A) as soon as practicable after the determination and every 14 days thereafter during the duration of the exercise of that authority.'.

(2) PROCLAMATION TO DISPERSE- Section 334 of such title is amended by inserting `or those obstructing the enforcement of the laws' after `insurgents'.

[benEzra]

181. Damn, that's scary. (n/t)

[Ouabache]

298. It appears to conveniently do away with civil disobedience too

if I am understanding this correctly, `or those obstructing the enforcement of the laws'. Of course that is how Little Boots* will construe it, I am sure.

[AzDar]

28. Kick (for what remains of our Country).... n/t

:kick:

[jimshoes]

31. I take solace in the fact

that this vegetable in a suit has gotten absolutely nothing right in the last six years. If his upcoming takeover of the United States of America goes anything like any other venture this schmuck has tried his hand at, it can only end in a massive, and complete clusterfuck. (Iraq comes readily to mind) So get it over with chimpy, don't wait. I can't wait to see how it all turns out.............................................................................................
................................................................................................
On second though, let's just vote him into insignificance where he belongs.

[B3Nut]

37. That's about the only consolation at this point,

The absolute screaming ineptitude of the perpetrators. It's roughly analagous to what would have happened had Hitler turned over the Third Reich to the Keystone Kops.

It's still harrowing, though.

Todd in Cheesecurdistan

[Land Shark]

119. I'm not sure the big corporations CARE FOR a strong America....

they seem to pretty consistently choose to gut american towns and cities in favor of corporate profits, so why not gut the one country that has the power to regulate them?

[Nordmadr]

128. My worry is that it HAS NOT been ineptitude, but design. N/T

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

195. That's a good observation. He and his cabal are so insulated in their

luxurious lifestyles, that they are unaware of the fury of the vast majority of the American people.

That disconnect is what will do them in.

MKJ

[blondeatlast]

205. What he has gotten is the Supreme Court on his side.

If we don't take at least the House in two weeks, kiss your ass goodbye.

[motocicleta]

32. Holy crapola

I really thought nothing this scary could happen here. I used to have such tremendous faith in the good ol' US.

I am terrified of the next few weeks.

[Marie26]

33. There's been another DU thread on this bill:

Bush Guts Posse Comitatus, Grabs National Guard! - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2428642

And a Daily Kos diary that lays out just how bad this is: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/10/18/211033/23

ETA: Oops, sorry, it's already been posted above. Oh, well, here it is again. The bill, in conjunction w.the signing statement gives Bush incredible power & it seems to have passed unnoticed in the MSM.

[BeHereNow]

43. "Unnoticed in the MSM..."

Imagine that...
Outrageous, is it not?
Apparently the Congress didn't notice either.
But of course not, they were too busy
licking the jackboots of the their brownshirt
paymasters.
Welcome to full fledged fascism.

BHN

[SlavesandBulldozers]

35. Come get some.

I'm not going anywhere.

Bring. It.

Fuck you fascists!!!!!!

[Jcrowley]

40. This has been with us a long time

Perhaps longer than we care to remember. Is it possible that there is something inherent in the American character or the American socio-economic model that lends itself towards fascistic tendencies and as things get tight these leanings become more manifest?

Fascism, the rejoining of Church, State, and Commerce into a unified and mutually supportive relationship for the maintenance of power.

[moodforaday]

172. Profit is what you're looking for

I'm not saying it's specifically American, but it the US corporations who have concistently been the best at their game. When a corporation has personhood (and *that* is specifically American!) and at the same time the corporation's sole legal purpose is to make profit... you sweatshops, you get corporate paramilitary thugs, you get global warming, you get your constitution trampled upon by corporate interest, and you get the Bush family - a sociopathic construct that destroys not a family or a naighborhood, but the whole country. It's that quote from Mussolini again, remember? about how fascism should better be called "corporatism", because it is the perfect union of the state and corporate interests.

I would advise everyone to watch Aaron Russo's "Freedom to Fascism", uploaded by the director himself to Google Video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198&sourceid=docidfeed&hl=en-AU

[alfredo]

306. It's the authoritarian streak we got from the Puritans.

[Pastiche423]

42. His answer to the Dems taking one or both houses

"(Sec. 1042) Revises federal provisions allowing the President to utilize the Armed Forces in connection with interference with federal and state law to allow the President to employ the Armed Forces and National Guard in federal service to restore public order in cases of natural disaster, epidemic or other public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or domestic violence. Requires the President to notify Congress within 14 days of the exercise of such authority. Authorizes the President, when exercising such authority, to direct the Secretary to provide supplies, services, and equipment to persons affected by the situation."



If the election does not go his way, pay the 2000 Florida Posse x 10,000 to do what they did best - disrupt. Yet blame it on the Liberals. Thus declaring Martial Law.

[moodforaday]

175. I think the election WILL go his way

The law is for people who would not take it the third time.

[AikidoSoul]

227. You are not getting why the Busheviks are doing this!

They are doing it because they are going to STEAL the elections again!! What would ever keep them from doing it? If anyone on this list thinks that this isn't going to happen, or that the Repugniks don't have total control of the outcome, then you are still in denial about the reality of the situation.

But, when the elections ARE stolen this time there will be many, many people who will FINALLY get it. And they will be pissed. And that's why Martial law is going to be at the Busheviks fingertips.

This country has been screwed, and too many DUers don't really get how really bad it really is.

And we need to plan now for how we're going to behave, and what we're going to do, when it happens.

My suggestion would be to have massive demonstrations of the entire spectrum of our population, not just freaky looking activists. The best thing would be if families come out.... moms, dads, grandmothers, tiny tots.... all together, marching COMPLETELY SILENTLY to symbolize how the public has now been totally silenced by the stealing of yet another election. Our silence would be symbolic because our vote is our only chance to "speak" -- to show our approval or lack of same, to the politicians. Whatever demonstrations there are they must be quiet, completely passive, totally 1,000% non-violent. And we should be taking our cell phones with us that are capable of sending video and sound to show what is happening to the press, and to the blogsphere. It's also tremendously important that we be on the look out for government provocateurs that would want to do something disruptive to make us look bad... like violent. We must be ready to handle this in a way that is non-violent!!!

:grr: :scared: :think:

[wtmusic]

44. Nancy Pelosi had no problem with it

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll510.xml

[readmoreoften]

49. 398 yeas. 23 nays. Here's a list of the 22 dems who didn't vote for martial law.

Baldwin
Capps
Conyers
Filner
Frank (MA)
Holt
Inslee
Jackson (IL)
Kucinich
Lee
McDermott
McKinney
Michaud
Miller, George
Owens
Pallone
Payne
Schakowsky
Serrano
Stark
Velázquez
Woolsey

[Cha]

56. The usual Democratic

suspects! Geeze! Is this going to come back and bite all those who voted for it in their collective ass? I hope so!

[EFerrari]

67. You should post this list in its own thread so we can bookmark it

and remember who we can actually count on.

[Kip Humphrey]

75. Damning for who are not listed... Kerry... Clinton... Obama... Leahy... Boxer...

We have one election in the way of total Amerifascist control.
Die-bold, ES&S, Sequoia, and Hart Intercivic already control our votes and our vote tabulation. They will soon control who votes by making and managing each state's centralized, voter registration databases (all interlinked, btw).

[Cocoa]

105. Leahy was strongly against this

even in the article above, even in the part that was excerpted here, it mentions Leahy's opposition. And yet you "damn" him.

How can we expect to influence anything if we don't even know the basic facts.

[wtmusic]

140. Leahy, like the rest, is pathetic

He laments that it had been "slipped in as a rider with little study," and wonders "how Congress could have gotten to this point".
I've been wondering that too, Pat, especially after you allowed the bill to pass the Senate by unanimous consent on June 22, 2006.

That's right--NOT ONE DEMOCRATIC SENATOR stood up and objected to the ramming through of this behemoth bill with its little surprise tucked inside.

Sometimes I think we deserve what we get.

[Marie26]

222. I think this is the danger

that Eisenhower was talking about in his farewell speech. His original phrase was the "military-industrial-Congressional" complex, and I think that's a better description. Defense Appropriation bills are what keep the wheels of government turning, with Congress awarding pork & programs to defense contractors, and receiving fat contributions from those contractors in return. Voting against a defense bill is poison to a Congressional career. And that's why I think the White House slipped this into the 2007 Defense Dept bill. These senators might have voted against an individual bill to revise the Insurrection Act, but few have the ability to vote against a Defense bill. They are part of the "complex" too, and must play by the rules of the game.

[wtmusic]

224. True, however...

how much defense work goes to Vermont? It sounds to me more like sheer inadvertence, something that fell through the cracks.

If Leahy is worth a dime he'll introduce legislation amending the bill and reaffirming Posse Comitatus.

[Marie26]

232. But Leahy knew - and benefited

He protested this on the Senate floor. It might have been inadvertence & lack of knowledge for most Congressmen, but I don't think that explains why Leahy voted for this bill after speaking out so strongly against it. Look at what else was tucked into that Defense Appropriations bill:

Oct. 22, 2006 press release from Sen. Leahy's office -

"Leahy Visits Newport Helmet Manufacturing Firm ... Announces Millions Of Dollars In Contracts."

NEWPORT, Vt. (Tues., Oct. 22) – In a visit Tuesday, Senator Patrick Leahy announced that Newport’s Mine Safety Appliances (MSA) Gallet plant will receive several million dollars in new defense contracts in the coming year. Leahy helped secure three new helmet manufacturing contracts and production orders for the company through discussions with the Armed Forces and through direct congressional appropriations.

MSA Gallet, formerly CGF Helmets, manufactures a strong lightweight helmet which offers U.S. troops considerably more protection with greater comfort. The helmet, the TC-2000, has been used by Special Operations forces working throughout the world in the war on terrorism, including by Army Special Forces deployed in Afghanistan.

Leahy secured more than $5 million in the Defense Department’s annual budget bill for MSA Gallet to help the Army develop a next-generation helmet to follow helmets like the TC-2000. The Objective Force Warrior program of the U.S. Army Soldiers Systems Center in Natick, Mass., will oversee the development of these new and improved helmets, which will provide better protection in nuclear, chemical and biological battlefields. The budget bill provides for MSA Gallet to work with the Natick laboratory to explore new helmet capabilities."

http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200210/102202.html

I rest my case. That's how the game is played. Leahy dropped his objections in return for some defense contractor pork for his district.

[wtmusic]

234. Game/Match

:thumbsup:

When our representatives are ready to trade dictatorial powers for $5M contracts, we are...doomed.

:(

[Nordmadr]

129. I believe the above list is just House members. N/T

[wtmusic]

141. No one in the Senate thought it was worth a solid read

The whole lot of them passed the bill by unanimous consent on June 22. Boxer, Reid, Kennedy, all of them--asleep at the switch.

[sce56]

158. Read Fridays transcript for DemocracyNow radio show

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/27/1340203

Friday, October 27th, 2006
Worst Congress Ever: Rolling Stone's Matt Taibbi on How Our National Legislature Has Become a "Stable of Thieves and Perverts"

Rolling Stone contributing editor Matt Taibbi takes an in-depth look at the outgoing 109th Congress in his article, "The Worst Congress Ever." In it, Taibbi writes that over the past six years, "The U.S. parliament became a historical punch line, a political obscenity on par with the court of Nero or Caligula -- a stable of thieves and perverts who committed crimes rolling out of bed in the morning and did their very best to turn the mighty American empire into a debt-laden, despotic backwater, a Burkina Faso with cable."

AMY GOODMAN: Whatever the outcome, the 110th U.S. Congress will open session on January 3, 2007. While the country's attention remains focused on the upcoming elections, few are considering the current state of the legislative branch. How did the 109th Congress perform? Well, the cover story of this week's Rolling Stone magazine takes on that issue. The article is called "The Worst Congress Ever: How Our National Legislature Has Become a Stable of Thieves and Perverts -- In Five Easy Steps.” It's written by Matt Taibbi, a contributing editor for the magazine. He joins us now in studio. Welcome to Democracy Now!, Matt.

MATT TAIBBI: Thanks for having me.

AMY GOODMAN: Why worst?

MATT TAIBBI: Well, there's so many reasons why this is the worst. The easiest ones to talk about statistically, it’s just the mere laziness factor. You've heard of the famous Do-Nothing Congress from 1948. This congress smashed the record that was set by that congress for fewest days ever worked by a congress. That congress worked a total of 249 days, between the House and the Senate. This congress worked 218 days total, so they beat that record by a month. And even those 218 days were made up of a lot of fragmentary days. So the House, for instance, had nine days that were less than eleven minutes long, and the Senate had three days less than one minute. So, this is easily the laziest congress of all time, if nothing else.

JUAN GONZALEZ: But when they are in session, they've done quite a bit to change the way the Congress operates, right? I mean, what about the rules changes that you talk about in your article?

MATT TAIBBI: Well, there's been a lot of changes just in the way that bills get heard and bills get talked about. One of the things that this congress has done is drastically reduce the number of what's called “open rules,” and open rules are bills that make it to the House floor in a form that allows congressmen to debate them and offer amendments to them. There was a time back in the late ’70s when about 75% of the bills that made it to the floor were open rules. Now, it should be said that that number continued to decline while the Democrats still controlled Congress. By the time the Democrats ceded control in ’94, that number was about 30%. This year, there were no open rules, except for appropriations bills, which are always open. So, we've basically seen the last of those kinds of openly debated bills in Congress.

AMY GOODMAN: ”Rule by cabal,” what do you mean?

MATT TAIBBI: Well, the Republicans have basically figured out a way to totally exclude the minority from the process. You know, obviously if you have the majority in Congress, you're going to have most of the influence anyway. But traditionally, in Congress, there's been a power-sharing agreement. Bills were usually made up in session between the minority and the majority, and the two parties always worked together to make up major legislation. That’s done now in Congress; that doesn't happen anymore.

A great example is that conference committees, where when you have the conference that hammers out the differences between the Senate and the House versions of bills, traditionally both parties work in that conference committee to create the final version of the bill. Well, this congress has sort of pioneered a new method of handling the conferences. What they'll do is they'll have -- by law, they have to have one conference that includes Democrats. They'll have a five-minute meeting, where the Democrats are there. They'll take a picture, and then they’ll kick the Democrats out, and they’ll hold the real meeting later, and they won't tell the Democrats where it is. And you get this situation that results -- it's really like, you know, an elementary school thing, where they won't tell the Democrats where it is, so the Democratic minority member will have to go around Congress literally searching for the conference, knocking on doors, saying, “Are you inside?”

AMY GOODMAN: Give us an example.

MATT TAIBBI: There was a famous example, where the Ways and Means Committee, chaired by Bill Thomas, the congressman from California, he didn't tell the ranking minority member, who was Charlie Rangel here from New York, he didn't tell him where the conference was, and Rangel went around the Congress looking for this conference, knocking on doors, and he finally finds it. He knocks on the door, and the Republicans hid behind the door, pretending that they weren't inside, literally, like little kids. They hid in there. You know, one congressional aide said it was like the old SNL skit, “Land Shark,” where Charlie Rangel was the land shark, the Republicans wouldn't open the door.

They finally opened it, and Thomas says to Rangel, he says, “Sorry, this is only for the coalition of the willing,” and he basically kicked Rangel out of the room -- actually, I’m sorry, they packed up their stuff, and they left, and they held the conference someplace else. And this kind of stuff happens at every level, at every stage of the congressional process now. So, everywhere where you used to have meetings between the two parties, where they would work things out, the Republicans just disallow participation by the Democrats.

JUAN GONZALEZ: In your article, you paint a portrait of many of these congressional staffers that are just sort of lost, now the Democratic staffers with nothing to do, and they haven't seen the sun in seven years, you say, some of them. What's the impact on the Democrats of this kind of a total, not just embarrassment, but --

MATT TAIBBI: Humiliation?

JUAN GONZALEZ: -- humiliation? Yes.

MATT TAIBBI: Yeah, it's completely changed the way that Congress does business, and this is something that's difficult to quantify. But again, Congress used to be a collegial place. It used to be a place where Democrats and Republicans, they may be different ideologically, but they used to hang out together on the weekends. They used to play golf, you know, together on the weekends, and that was where a lot of things got worked out socially, was outside of Congress. They would have lunch together, and they would socialize together with their wives. That doesn't happen anymore. And there's a complete antipathy now between the parties to a degree that the new generation, even of Democrats, doesn't even understand the theory of communicating with the Republicans about things.




Fascism Accomplished!

[Marie26]

85. Special thank you to Cynthia McKinney

She tried to introduce an amendment that would re-affirm that this bill will not rescind or affect Posse Comitatus. "Posse Comitatus" law forbids armed forces from acting as a domestic police force. It was voted down in Committee, of course. Somebody, at least, knew what was up here.

Proposed amendment reaffiriming Posse Comitatus - http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/15may20061514/www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/hr109-452/1b-1.pdf

She also wrote a seperate 10-page dissent from the law, covering all the abuses it contains - she talks about how "No Child Left Behind" is being used for school military recruitment, Defense funds are being used to fund paramilitary outfits in Latin America, private security companies are taking over national defense, how the line between police & military forces is eroding, and how the Defense Sec. is benefitting financially from the epidemic funds through his ownership in TamiFlu. She not only read this bill, she researched it, analyzed it, realized the implications, and took the time to protest this bill. Thank you for doing your job, it's sad that that is so rare in this Congress.

Dissenting Views of Rep. McKinney - (this is brilliant)
http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/15may20061514/www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/hr109-452/views.pdf

- Section on "Posse Comitatus"

This Authorization should also have reaffirmed the principle of
Posse Comitatus for military forces, police and contracted security
or combat forces. This Constitutional principle creates a bright line
between military and police functions.

A call to reconfirm it was made in 2003 as part of the Homeland
Security legislation. It is a practice and policy that protects the
Constitution military members are sworn to protect, as well as the
rights of the American people.

In the wake of the attacks on September 11, 2001, the Bush administration
has continued to make widespread and unnecessary
changes in laws and administrative powers that undermine the
most basic Constitutional principles and protected rights of citizens
in a democracy.

Recently, both President Bush and Senator Mark Warner (VA)
have renewed calls to undermine or reverse the Posse Comitatus
Act of 1867, which re-established the Constitutional principle and
practice of separating military and police functions in a democracy.
The experience of the founding fathers with the British model that
combined the functions was enough to cause them to set that division
sharply in administrative powers and civilian command of the
military. ...

President Bush has ample authority under provisions of existing
laws on disaster response to mobilize and command any and all
federal assets, including military forces. State directed National
Guard units have always worked in conjunction with federal troops
without being put under federal control themselves. Both National
Guard and regular military forces are authorized under federal and
state laws to use force to protect lives, property and public safety
during a declared emergency. Police functions have been wisely left
to local police and state National Guard forces, except when the situation
was so dire they could not function.

Congress must renew their commitment to the Posse Comitatus
Act and support the principle of separation of military and police
functions, and the existing laws regarding federalization of resources
during emergencies, as they did in 2003. Bush did not need
those authorities to move troops and federal assets into New Orleans
and the Gulf States in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, and he
does not need them for other public health emergencies. Existing
law is sufficient, and the Congress needs to investigate the New
Orleans response by FEMA and government troops, as well as examine
and reject the Bush administration’s claims that they need
more power than the Constitution envisions or allows.
I have introduced a concurrent resolution in this regard."

[wtmusic]

145. Someone was paying attention. nt

[file83]

209. McKinney stands for and defends American freedom.

Her methods aren't always socially "sound" - but at least she's fighting for us!

[magellan]

69. 173 House Dems had no problem with it

We have to trust them. They wouldn't have supported this bill if it was bad. We have a problem with negativity here, and frankly I'm tired of the Dem bashers.

If you can't support the Dems, leave!

:sarcasm:

[Marie26]

73. I doubt most of them even read it. nt

[951-Riverside]

79. None of them have come out to admit their mistake n/t

[sandyd921]

257. Apparently a few did.

So what's the excuse of all the rest?

[Marie26]

286. Laziness & complicity. nt

[readmoreoften]

45. Major Danby makes a great point.

<snip>

This, by the way, is how the Chinese - whose approach to government and party building Bush seems so much to admire - broke up the protests in Tienanmen Square. They brought in troops from the provinces who knew nothing about what the protest was about, but knew that if they were ordered to shoot, they had to shoot.

<snip>

Now that Bush can send one state's national guard to another state's national guard, imagine what it would be like if Bush sent Oklahoma's (or choose your red state) National Guard to arrest a massive protest in NYC. Whereas NYC cops might be loathe to open fire into crowds (they don't necessarily like protesters but they can't be duped into believing that someone screaming into a bullhorn is a murder-worthy event--and besides, these folks might be their neighbors). It would be easier to dupe a throng of naive 18 year olds from a quiet farming community to open fire.

Just a thought. The whole kit and caboodle is scary.

[jimshoes]

78. It can happen easily enough...

All you need to do is go back to Kent State in 1970. Those were our own (Ohio) National Guard too. I had so hoped we were matured as a nation beyond those awful days.

[moodforaday]

176. Not just Chinese

I'm in Poland and though I only saw the communist regime as a child, I can tell you they did the same thing here. Army conscripts and special security units (like riot police) were routinely stationed away from their homes, so that when it came to pacification, they wouldn't have to use guns on their families and naighbors.

[Hotler]

47. It's to late there is nothing we can do.

It's all gone now. It won't be long before they come for us. The work camps are right around the corner. After the first of next year they'll start their round ups. Peace to all.

[bdamomma]

58. what no fight?

[Hotler]

66. I have plenty of fight. I just don't feel that

the little bit of fight a few of us have will be enough to spark the sheep to get up off their asses and unite. So much has slipped through our fingers that the foundation for fascism is laid and it won't turn around until lots of innocent people die in the streets, camps, and/or prison.

[Greeby]

55. All I have to say to this is

You and what army?

[bdamomma]

59. I agree Greeby, what army, look at all the gun owners in the US

just a speculation.

[readmoreoften]

61. Very few gun owners in NYC. We will be herded like cattle.

This is why I am pro-gun. I get it.

[bdamomma]

64. if guns are not available people will find other methods.

but again, have we all been saying this for months that they will enforce martial law, is it all because they are backed into a corner and will anything to keep their absolute sick power. 300 million people in this country can't stop this?? just asking I am not trying to start a confrontation or argument.

[readmoreoften]

90. They will not just use guns.

They have a sonic blaster that can cause extreme pain to a massive crowd. Microwaves that can cook skin. Here's more fun info.

<snip>
Army's secret 'people zapper' plans

Antony Barnett, public affairs editor
Sunday November 3, 2002
The Observer

Britain has been involved in secret talks with the United States over the development of so-called non-lethal weapons, including lasers that blind the enemy and microwave systems that cook the skin of human targets.

<snip>

And here's a village voice article:

Weapon of the Week
by George Smith
The Microwave Phaser
December 4 - 10, 2002

Medium rare: the mobile microwave
(illustration: http://www.de.afrl.af.mil/)


he Pentagon has always craved a phaser. Now it's turning to microwaving as a potential means of singeing the enemy.

The Department of Defense's bland name for this electronic heat ray is the Vehicle-Mounted Active Denial (VMAD) system, a mouthful of jargon that yields few clues about the weapon's nature. Allegedly designed for an Orwellian task—"humanitarian missions"—the VMAD is a giant version of your microwave oven, without the safety box surrounding it. The generals want to move it around on a humvee.

Official propaganda on the device is that it makes one's skin only lightbulb hot, enough to force a person to run but not enough to cook him. Of course, there is no proof this can be achieved, because the results of tests on people are classified. It's safe, insist the inventors, the air force's Directed Energy Directorate in Albuquerque.

But anyone with first-hand experience broiling hot dogs and other non-robust meats in their tabletop microwave might be chary of such an assertion. Struck by the heat ray, "Sssss," went the eyeball.

<snip>

[file83]

210. So what? You just "take out" the sound cannon - problem solved.

Next?

[readmoreoften]

252. Who "takes out" the sound cannon?

It is an enormous black satellite-dish looking thing on a truck built to withstand gunshots. It sends an enormous rolling shock wave that incapacitates a crowd of thousands. Let's not get action-movie fantasied-out here. How many people in Manhattan have guns? .1%? They're illegal. How would someone with a gun even get through the mob to target the satellite dish. I mean, if you've ever been to a protest in NYC, you know they have superior firepower. In fact, we have NO firepower.

[file83]

291. Tin Foil - LOTS of Tin Foil!!!

But seriously, use your imagination. That's what it's for!

[readmoreoften]

294. I've seen these things at mass protests in NYC. I can't take one out. Sorry.

Imagination will not help me take out military weapons if the jackboots come. Yes, I can "use my imagination" to try to escape. But I try to be a realist. This isn't a fantasy novel or a Jerry Bruckheimer movie. Without people on the inside shutting down power, etc. I can't really beat a machine. Let's be realistic.

[Karenca]

65. I was just thinking the same thing. n/t

[AntiFascist]

162. right, it seems like mutiny is a clear option....

the military is already starting to become restless. I hope that those who grew up studying American government in school, saying the pledge of allegiance every day, and learning to value the flag understand what it really means to honor and defend the Constitution.

[BeHereNow]

60. KICK. DO NOT LET THIS THREAD SINK.

This is THE most IMPORTANT thread on DU
in a LONG time.
BHN

[EFerrari]

68. I'll be back later to check on it. n/t

[Disturbed]

70. Isn't this Unconstitutional?

I am surprised that no State Governor has challenged this.

[bdamomma]

81. to us clear and free thinking Americans we see this as unconstitutional

but they do not think about the Constitution, they feel that they could shred the Constitution.

[tblue]

169. Correction: They think they ARE the Constitution

and * = America

[blondeatlast]

206. And the enemies of the Nation have the Supreme Court majority.

It's Constitutional if THEY decide it's Constitutional.

Someone, please challenge this at the first opportunity, before W places another fascist louse on SCOTUS.

[Mnemosyne]

116. Wrong BHN,

the most important ever.

KICKING

[BeHereNow]

118. No, No, No! FOLEY! RUSH! ABORTION! GAY MARRIAGE!

THAT's what MATTERS...:sarcasm:

You know I agree 100%
Most important turn of events EVER.
So why is this thread not front and center?
As IF any of the fluff topics matter in light of THIS
latest assault on WE, the people?

I go to bed now wondering...
"What fresh hell? tomorrow...

BHN

[Mnemosyne]

197. Same thought I have each a.m. BHN. How

did this ever happen here? We fight so hard. :hug:

[Jcrowley]

74. BushCo's dark agenda

My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

-Major Danby... HUGE! Bush Guts Posse Comitatus, Grabs National Guard!

I'm not really all that much of a states' rights guy. I fall more on the "strong federal government" side of the spectrum. So when someone like me starts screaming about a massive sneak attack on federalism, you might want to pay attention.

If I told you that Congress was considering passing a law that gives the President -- this President -- the power, in the event of any "disaster, accident, or catastrophe" that he deems to require it, to:
1) involuntarily take National Guard troops from State A and
2) require them to work in State B for up to a year,
3) in law enforcement rather than just traditional areas like disaster relief,
4) over the objection of both state's governors
Would you believe it? Probably not. And you'd be right. Congress is not considering such a bill.

IT ALREADY PASSED SUCH A BILL THREE WEEKS AGO!

http://thepeacetrain.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=113

Federalizing the National Guard and redefining the Insurrection Act are just two of many red flags revealing BushCo's dark agenda.

[Kazak]

77. WTF?!?

Shit!

[Rex]

80. Ah, Friday night news dump.

It makes sense, once they bring the troops home (who now have expert urban warfare experience) it will be necessary to place troops all around the country and declare States Rights dead to the world! America the Empire! Sounds so much more sassy!!!! Mmmmm.....sassy!

[bonito]

83. Screw fear, lets turn this ship around one vote at a time

Martial law all over the US is not going to happen period *co can't even take Baghdad.

Lets get these bums out of Washington.

[windbreeze]

136. yeah, but the Iraqi's are fighting back...

so who will fight back here...you and I??? what about all those who believe that * should be allowed to torture or imprison or do whatever he wants tp those of us who do not agree with him??? will we have to fight them as well as troops?
wb

[Mme. Defarge]

254. Excellent advice!

Somewhere I heard, or read, that while it is unwise to underestimate the enemy, it is equally unwise to over-estimate your foe. Beyond stealing elections, has the current administration done ANYTHING to suggest it might be competent?

[mvd]

84. Every day

It becomes more evident that the war on terror is really just a war on dissension.

[windbreeze]

137. try....a "war of distraction"....n/t

[Ms. Clio]

86. "If this were a dictatorship, it’d be a heck of a lot easier. . . ."

just so long as I’m the dictator." The Chimperor, 2000.

[951-Riverside]

87. DU Diggers vote this article up so more people can read it

http://digg.com/politics/Bush_Moves_Toward_Martial_Law

[Breeze54]

88. fuck him! I'm staying here and fighting back!!

:grr: This is MY country!! :grr:

:patriot:

He isn't going to do jack shit! :evilfrown:

[kwyjibo]

89. how the fuck was he allowed to do this?

even by people in his own party... don't they realize how wrong this is?

[file83]

212. Two reasons: 1) Dems voted for it (almost all) 2) the bad part of the law

was buried deep inside this HUGE bill. If the Dems didn't vote for it before the election, then their opponents could make campaign ads saying "My Democrat opponent voted AGAINST supporting the troops" blah blah blah...

See who voted for it with your own eyes:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2006-145

[melody]

255. It's probably far more basic

Cheney gave them the warning he gave Wellstone before he died. Only a handful of Democrats were
brave enough to flout them.

[civildisoBDence]

91. This is why we have a Second Amendment

Those troops would find it tough going out in the rural areas of the country...assuming a lot of the troops wouldn't refuse to march against their fellow countrymen.

Newsprism

[Doctor_J]

92. He may be in for a surprise if he thinks the Army is on his side

[Doctor_J]

93. Well timed - if the Dems vote against it, they'll be

"enabling terrorists".

Just wait until January, we can start bringing this shit up every day.

[readmoreoften]

97. Why? In January is Rove going to be less able to tell Fox News

that the Evil Dems are letting the terrorists win? We have a crucial election every 2 years. So when are they going to fight? There will always be a risky election in this political climate.

[bonito]

95. Right he would have to leave the country

while its being implemented, and then we can all point at him and laugh.

[bonito]

96. Everybody get a grip

And check this post out.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2481646

[BeHereNow]

100. They don't need the US army- they have a private one.

They are called "mercs."
Allegiance to no country.

BHN

[BeHereNow]

103. Please visit the DU archive thread on the "Global Army" thread: WOLFOWITZ

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=742167

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/08/11/1092102504650.html

[MzNov]

104. Martial law might be what the rest of the people in this country

need to finally kick this gang of thugs out. This means something very awful is coming, and the question for me is, before or after the election? They don't have much time if it's before....

:mad:

[readmoreoften]

107. How do you kick out the gang of thugs after martial law?

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,825082,00.html

They can direct microwaves at entire crowds. They have another weapon that can knock us out (or kill us) with sound waves. They have lasers that cause temporary blindness. Basically, after martial law we would need to be liberated. They will give the people bread and circuses.

[Individualist]

113. I believe the plan has been set in motion.

Large naval force in the Persian Gulf, phony Al Qaeda threat, and less than two weeks to go until the election. www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2583039&mesg_id=2583039

[wtmusic]

132. Either that, or it might be just what they want

to consolidate power and shut up "the liberals" once and for all

[Karenca]

110. A Closer Look at KBR's Detention Centers

<<Halliburton’s subsidiary KBR (formerly Kellogg, Brown and Root) announced on January 24, 2006 that it had been awarded a $385 million contingency contract by the Department of Homeland Security to build detention camps in the United States.

According to a press release posted on the Halliburton website, “The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment existing Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs. The contingency support contract provides for planning and, if required, initiation of specific engineering, construction and logistics support tasks to establish, operate and maintain one or more expansion facilities.”

Less attention was focused on the phrase “rapid development of new programs” or what type of programs might require a major expansion of detention centers, capable of holding 5,000 people each.

It is relevant, says Scott, that in 2002 Attorney General John Ashcroft announced his desire to see camps for U.S. citizens deemed to be “enemy combatants.” On February 17, 2006, in a speech to the Council on Foreign Relations, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld spoke of the harm being done to the country’s security, not just by the enemy, but also by what he called “news informers” who needed to be combated in “a contest of wills.”

That would be us, boys and girls.>>

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:W8-db0ptZKMJ:forums.therandirhodesshow.com/index.php%3Fshowtopic%3D99077%26view%3Dgetnewpost+randi+rhodes+martial+law&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

[BeHereNow]

115. Well they DID tell us..."If you're not with us...you're against us..."

Remember old Ari Fly -shit warned us,
"Watch what you say..."
Uh-huh, the picture is ever so clear now, eh?
BHN

[Land Shark]

111. Let's just say: Bush has now placed his chess pieces "just so"

[Mme. Defarge]

258. I was going to say something profound,

but lost my thought when I tried to imagine our "enfant terrible" of a President playing chess!

[earth mom]

112. Finally people are getting it!

This thread was posted a week ago and I was surprised by the weak response:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2428642

:scared:

[Nothing Without Hope]

120. Part of the plan: one more fascist bushie SCOTUS judge to make it 5-4

And all these terrible changes will become "legal" when they are finally challenged in court. Never were Senate elections more important - and remember, some "Democratic" senators voted FOR Alito, who openly espoused a dictatorial "unitary executive" presidency. Not just Lieberman, either. The roll call on that infamous Alito vote:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00001

[Lars39]

121. Justice Stevens is ill right now, too.

:scared:

[readmoreoften]

124. I can't believe it. I'm really upset.

I mean, what are we going to do?

[Lars39]

130. It's numbing, isn't it?

All I know to do is to keep spreading the facts and encourage networking, 'cause it looks like things could get really bad before they get better. :( :hug:

[McCamy Taylor]

122. Rove is worried about riots when he tries to steal the election.

Riots may happen in "blue" states that is why W. has to be able to send in the army and seize the National Guard. He does not trust the government in a place like Illinois to stamp out dissent to single party rule.

[wtmusic]

143. Not worried any more.

They now have the tools in place to quell any "disturbances". :scared:

[AntiFascist]

278. Maybe the "foreign" national guard will be welcomed....

with candies and flowers.

[Nordmadr]

125. I'm not paranoid. I'm not paranoid...

I'm not paranoid...infinitum.

Perhaps I'd feel better if I thought I WAS paranoid. If you just look at the progression of laws and add them all up it is just staggering in scope. Who am I going to believe? Them or my lyin' eyes?

Olafr

[Imagevision]

127. Now we know why the Rove/Bush smiles and confidence over elections

Rove will Diebold enough to retain power in both the house & senate and Bush simply will state, "now ya'll go about your biznes and I'll go about mine, also, do not expect to hear anything further from me about election fraud or vote-rigging! - thank you...

Bush started a phoney war for oil costing almost 700,000 people their lives, including our own troops, -- Bush also stole the 2000 and 2004 elections, why would anyone think he wouldn't steal the midterms as well? why wouldn't he give Rove the ok to knock it out, he's thought of the consequences if he lost either the House and senate or both, it's as important as 04 was!

[fooj]

134. Waxman, Murtha, Waters, Rangel...?

I don't get it...Why TF would they sign this? OMG. I feel sick to my stomach. Seriously.

[moodforaday]

177. Because they know what's good for them

Because if they object now, they will be the first to try out the comforts at Halliburton's shiny new detention centers.

[Kaotac]

135. Is there anything from Reuters or the AP?

If there is, someone should update the Wikipedia entry for Martial Law, and try to get it put on the front news page so that more people will know about it.
DU isn't really independent, or NPOV, so can't be used as a source.

For some reason, this reminds me of Babylon 5.

[readmoreoften]

138. Well, it's on the congressional site. Do we need more? /nt

[TexasLawyer]

139. "suppress public disorder"

I wonder if he has something specific in mind. Yikes.

[wtmusic]

142. Nothing specific. That is...the problem.

It can mean whatever his little primate brain wants it to mean. :grr:

[upi402]

144. kick, no comment necessary with this horrid news

[symbolman]

146. An American

Insurgent of One.

It may be Time for Veterans of all wars to think about their oaths.

How does that old typing exercise go?

"Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country."

Classic. Some things never change, eh?

But remember Gandi said that Evil is temporary, if you study history you'll find that it's correct. On the other hand I would find my untimely death, injury or incarceration to be very personal and not condusive to my happiness or the pursuit thereof. :)

[wtmusic]

148. all too often, good appears to be temporary as well nt.

[TankLV]

189. Yes it is - but have you noticed that it takes LONGER and LONGER

to rid ourselves of evil each new time it crops up, and the COST in LIVES and RESOURCES is magnified tenfold each successive time, plus what started out as a fight amongst ARMIES has now morphed almost exclusively into a fight the involves the GENERAL NON-SOLDIER POPULACE almost exclusively?

Just noticing...

[EFerrari]

147. Kick

[redacted]

149. kick; now, how am I supposed to get to sleep?

[readmoreoften]

150. I agree. I feel like I'm going to be up all night. Can't think. /nt

[redacted]

153. TWO YEARS AGO commentator Al Martin predicted that Shrub

was going to suspend Posse Comatatus. He was right.

He also said that the reason for doing so would be to federalize the National Guards of each and every state, which would be necessary to give them the police power they need to impose martial law controlled by Washington.

Why would Bush do this AND reverse the Insurrections Act if he wasn't planning on using that power? And why do it so close to the election?

They're going ahead with their plans for martial law. How much more obvious can this get?

[readmoreoften]

164. Can you explain to me the precise effect of this decision?

I'm a college professor and I'm trying to explain what is going on to my students in a timely fashion and, because I'm not a law professor (or even poli-sci/econ) it's going to be difficult for me to explain this responsibly.

--Does this act specifically suspend posse comatatus?
--Why does he need a federalized National Guard in order to oppose martial law? If he told all the Governors to impose martial law, wouldn't the majority comply?
--Does this law dovetail in any way with the MCA? In other words, Bush can call for martial law if, say, there is unrest of any sort (maybe a major protest, for example). Along with the MCA, does that mean that they can also round up the protestors and charge them as enemy combatants? And then, in the Patriot Act, if you're charged as an enemy combatant, you lose your citizenship. In that case, you lose your right to habeus corpus. Is that reasonable? Or paranoid? Or just inaccurate.

I'm trying to wrap my head around this stuff and its really hard to teach it to kids who are largely open-minded, but get most of their news from CNN/NYT.

[redacted]

253. Professor, thanks for your post

We're still drinking coffee here in California this morning, so I'll get back to you later this weekend with more specific citations. I don't want to direct you or your classes to any info that isn't 100 percent accurate. And perhaps other DUers might be able to chime in, in the hope that we could quickly assemble some briefing notes that you and others might find useful.

For now, off the top of my head I can address your question "Why does he need a federalized National Guard in order to oppose martial law? If he told all the Governors to impose martial law, wouldn't the majority comply?"

A few weeks ago, ALL FIFTY state governors signed a letter to Bush criticizing any legislation that might interfere with their control of the national guards of their respective states, and strongly suggested that they would resist any attempts to do so. This was widely reported here on DU and many news outlets as well because it's remarkable that all 50 state governors were united on an issue of any kind.

I will post or email you with more info later this weekend. For now, I don't wish to blow your cover, but can I at least ask what kind of department in which you teach and do research (econ, sociology, journalism, communication studies etc.)

Many thanks once again for your post.

[readmoreoften]

262. Media studies (from theoretical perspective) is what I do.

But I'm teaching a class that is a communication studies course from a sociopolitical perspective beyond my scope of expertise. Moreover, I really want to engage the students in current events. They will have ALOT of questions. I don't want "I don't know" to be my constant answer. I also don't want to steer them wrong. Thanks so much for helping! (I think 100% accuracy is a tough find. These days I hope for 10% credible.) :)

[redacted]

269. OK, here's a good start:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/10/18/211033/23

Good summary, credible source; discusses the role and possible reactions of the 50 governors to this kind of situation. Not sure you need to read all 496 comments downpage, after the first 10 or so, things get a little repetitive.

[redacted]

327. See this late breaking update too

with several links to background info:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2511824#2511865

[shanti]

151. kicking!

:kick: the timing.....:grr:

[sce56]

154. There are no words to describe my feelings here on these matters

Fascism Accomplished!

[mhatrw]

155. This is just as bad as the Military Commissions Act. n/t

[redacted]

160. Worse, in the sense that the MCA has received at least some

news coverage through outlets like Air America Radio; I'm not sure anybody not on the Internet is aware of this latest disgrace.

[lonestarnot]

165. I just read about it and I think you are right!

[Swamp Rat]

163. "Heh heh!"

[lonestarnot]

166. Way 'at Swampy! Are they taking us away yet?

[Swamp Rat]

168. Hey there lonestarnot.

:hi: All I can say is, enjoy your life as much as you can right now. Things are about to change... :yoiks:

[Skidmore]

167. * seized this power because a duplicitous Congress handed it

to him wrapped up and tied with a bow just like they handed him this war. Don't forget that.

[Sad4world]

170. Posse Comitatus education

http://law.wustl.edu/WULQ/75-2/752-10.html

PC seems pretty vague. After reading this, I think shrub could get around PC anyway.

What bothers me is WHY have they done this. I believe this is "another" move to limit criminal prosecution in the future.

[readmoreoften]

173. k /

[TheUnspeakable]

178. k &r !!

[midnight]

179. His reasons are unsubstantiated. Tell him to go home.

[indepat]

180. We would all just have to be good little nazis, get over it and hope for best

for we would have gotten the government tens of millions want and all deserve for not having stopped this all from the git-go.

[spanone]

194. Dick 'tator' Cheney is behind this, you can bet.

[Sugar Smack]

215. Fuckhead

He's a fuckhead.

[Norquist Nemesis]

216. They're trying to put Federal Monitors at the polls in Philly

Not sure about other cities at this point.

[Babsbrain]

217. Time to take to the streets!! Scream.out loud ..don't type.in silence

Is the establishment of a democracy in Iraq worth losing our democracy in the United States?

Mr. Rumsfeld...WE WON'T BACK OFF!!

[itsmesgd]

223. Fight back now or leave

I'm not telling those who refuse to fight to leave, but recommending to all that we only have a short time left to either fight or get outta town (country).
I just watched Aaron Russo's America: Freedom to Fascism, and was completely blown away. I knew all along that the country was a big Monopoly game for a group of men in a dark room somewhere, but this film puts many different strands of corruption together to show the interconnected ties between the banks, credit and debt, the corporations, and globalism. The last few minutes even address electronic voting, so don't be surprised when the election does not go the way of the people, but be ready to do one of two things: take to the streets or take off before they close the borders and enslave us all.

To pray for peace is to prepare for war.

sgd

(hello agent Smith, just exercising freedom of speech here. we still have it for a few more weeks at least)

[Sugar Smack]

225. BOTH of you, WELCOME to DU!!!!

Our arms are open. Thanks for being here. :yourock: :yourock: :yourock:

[GoogleTheTruth]

236. Email Aaron!

I just went to the site and saw a chance to download a PDF transcript of the movie... but alas! $25! I am sorry, now is not the time for money, now is the time to get the information out as fast as possible. So I sent this email to him... maybe other should to...

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To: [e-mail]

Well, I don't know your exact financial position with the movie and everything, I hope you do recoup the costs of making it... but you know, some of us just won't be able to see it... some can't afford to feed themselves, and these are the people who need to know! Do us and your country a favor and at least let us download the transcript for FREE! $25! Come on! Even if it is just until the elections are over!

You have done a great service to our country by doing what you have done... but now is NOT THE TIME FOR MONEY, now is the time to PUT THE INFORMATION INTO PEOPLE HANDS AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. Let that PDF transcript GO GO GO. Make it a free download and I am sure it, and the movie, will get a visibility like you have never imagined.

My two cents and a quarter :)
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[GoogleTheTruth]

293. Woah... Never Mind! Here it is...

CLICK - SEE RUSSO'S FREEDOM TO FASCISM
Saturday, October 28, 2006 - FreeMarketNews.com

This is the "Director's Final Cut" authorized version of Aaron Russo's documentary, America: Freedom To Fascism (AFTF). It is being uploaded to Google Video for the first time during the evening of October 19-20th, 2006. Aaron has listened to everyone's feedback - volunteers, students, lovers of freedom & liberty, young and old alike - and, true to his word, he is putting this up "for free" on Google Video knowing that the hour has come for Americans to either be awakened to restore the Republic or be swept aside by the dark global forces of fascism that seeks to enslave mankind.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198&q=freedomtofascism

[Rocknrule]

220. Well, we'd better start brushing up on our Sieg Heiling

Barring a drastic turn of events, we are fucked

[G_j]

221. K &R

Danger Will Robinson!!!!

[lpbk2713]

228. Some times what Niemöller said seems like a cliché here on DU

And some times it doesn't.



Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Kommunist.

Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich nicht protestiert;
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte.



Some times it seems highly appropriate.

[gully]

229. Preparation for a stolen election perhaps?

?

[wtmusic]

231. To ignore that possibility would be irresponsible

To accept it at face value would be "paranoid"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2503679&mesg_id=2503679

[EVDebs]

230. Ollie North's plan and the old Huston Plan secretly enacted and now

an overtly unconstitutional "Act" of Congress...All with support from Justices Roberts and Alito et al who helped enact the executive orders during Reagan's daze in office.

BTW, FEMA is now 'out' as enactor of this martial law scheme, ICE is the new bureaucracy set up to do the dirty work. Don't get me wrong, ICE has a legitimate role in law enforcement but with the administration determining who to target domestically, your political leanings will be the basis of harassment, not the law...read BETWEEN the lines:

http://www.ice.gov/about/index.htm

[d_b]

238. He's getting prepared for

the aftermath of Rove's 'inside polling data'. The one where Americans prefer Dems 53 to 39 and somehow the Republicans don't lose any seats.

[jwirr]

239. Okay, I am usually very loyal to and understanding of Democrats

but I want to know where they were? How can a law be passed and signed into law without someone warning us?

[RestoreGore]

249. Thank you

And this is on Patrick Leahy's site, but there is NO OUTRAGE? I really think I am living in an alternate universe!

[SouthernBelle82]

240. Who needs to declare it?

Bush already is acting like he's the dictator ignoring laws here and there like it's nothing from the fourth and sixth amendments to torture and invading a country. This really is no surprise. Since following Bush I've only been waiting for martial law to happen. And of course this was done in private.

[RestoreGore]

248. HOW THE HELL IS HE BEING ALLOWED TO DO THIS!?

I WILL fight for my DEMOCRACY, so they better know that! Thomas Jefferson may be dead, but his spirt is not! I am SO SICK OF ALL OF THIS.

[DFLer4edu]

251. Anyone have the full text of the bill?

It seems everything posted is a summary. I'd like to to see the actual bill.

[AikidoSoul]

270. Bill Language in "USE OF ARMED FORCES IN MAJOR PUBLIC EMERGENCIE"

The language in the rider of concern can be found in the massive bill entitled, Public Law 109-364, or S. 2766: John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 --- (H.R.5122)
at this URL:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s109-2766

To find the section having to do with the new powers, go to the above web page, and at the top of your internet browser click on "Edit" at top of page, then click on "Find in this page" and type in "Emergencies" (w/o the quotation marks) in the search box, then hit "Find Next" four times -- until it gets to that section in the bill. Here's the language in that section:

``(a) USE OF ARMED FORCES IN MAJOR PUBLIC
13 EMERGENCIES.--(1) The President may employ the
14 armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal
15 service, to--
16 ``(A) restore public order and enforce the laws
17 of the United States when, as a result of a natural
18 disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health
19 emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other con-
20 dition in any State or possession of the United
21 States, the President determines that--
22 ``(i) domestic violence has occurred to such
23 an extent that the constituted authorities of the
24 State or possession are incapable of maintain-
25 ing public order; and


S 2766 PP 608
1 ``(ii) such violence results in a condition
2 described in paragraph (2); or
3 ``(B) suppress, in a State, any insurrection, do-
4 mestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy
5 if such insurrection, violation, combination, or con-
6 spiracy results in a condition described in paragraph
7 (2).
8 ``(2) A condition described in this paragraph is a con-
9 dition that--
10 ``(A) so hinders the execution of the laws of a
11 State or possession, as applicable, and of the United
12 States within that State or possession, that any part
13 or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege,
14 immunity, or protection named in the Constitution
15 and secured by law, and the constituted authorities
16 of that State or possession are unable, fail, or refuse
17 to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to
18 give that protection; or
19 ``(B) opposes or obstructs the execution of the
20 laws of the United States or impedes the course of
21 justice under those laws.
22 ``(3) In any situation covered by paragraph (1)(B),
23 the State shall be considered to have denied the equal pro-
24 tection of the laws secured by the Constitution.




S 2766 PP 609
1 ``(b) NOTICE CONGRESS.--The President shall
TO

2 notify Congress of the determination to exercise the au-
3 thority in subsection (a)(1)(A) as soon as practicable after
4 the determination and every 14 days thereafter during the
5 duration of the exercise of the authority.''.
6 (2) PROCLAMATION 334
TO DISPERSE.--Section

7 of such title is amended by inserting ``or those ob-
8 structing the enforcement of the laws'' after ``insur-
9 gents''.
10 (3) HEADING AMENDMENT.--The heading of
11 such 15 of such title is amended to read as follows:
12 ``CHAPTER 15--ENFORCEMENT OF THE
13 LAWS TO RESTORE PUBLIC ORDER''.
14 (4) CLERICAL The table of
AMENDMENTS.--(A)

15 chapters at the beginning of subtitle A of title 10,
16 United States Code, and at the beginning of part I
17 of such subtitle, are each amended by striking the
18 item relating to chapter 15 and inserting the fol-
19 lowing new item:
``15. Enforcement of the Laws To Restore Public Order .... 331''.

20 (B) The table of sections at the beginning of
21 chapter 15 of such title is amended by striking the
22 item relating to sections 333 and inserting the fol-
23 lowing new item:
``333. Major public emergencies; interference with State and Federal law.''.

(new section but related)


S 2766 PP 610
1 (b) PROVISION OF SUPPLIES, SERVICES, AND EQUIP-
2 MENT.--

3 (1) IN GENERAL.--Chapter 152 of such title is
4 amended by adding at the end the following new sec-
5 tion:
6 `` 2567. Provision of supplies, services, and equip-
7 ment in major public emergencies

8 ``(a) PROVISION AUTHORIZED.--In any situation in
9 which the President determines to exercise the authority
10 in section 333(a)(1)(A) of this title, the President may
11 direct the Secretary of Defense to provide supplies, serv-
12 ices, and equipment to persons affected by the situation.

*********************************************************


:o :o :o :o

[sandyd921]

259. Where are the ACLU and CCR on this?

Just checked the ACLU and Center for Constitutional Rights on this and nada! Where are they on this? Blindsided just like congress?

[Marie26]

292. How is it illegal?

I can't see it. This was passed by Congress, who independently decided to give the President more power to use the military as a police force in an emergency. Congress changed their own statutes on Posse Comitatus & the Insurrection Act. It's disturbing, it's authoritarian, but I don't really see how it can be challenged. Any ideas?

[BuyingThyme]

261. "Our troops" are no longer "our troops."

If you know one, let him or her know that he or she no longer serves the United States of America. He or she is now nothing more than an expendable pawn of fascism, literally being trained to kill Americans and destroy America.

Bush has turned "our troops" into our enemies.

[lala_rawraw]

263. Planning for a lost election?

[kpete]

267. lala

You have known all along...kp

[Uncle Joe]

266. The neocons truly do hate us for our freedom

And should our democracy fall, it will be the death of a thousand cuts put upon a complacent people. A little selling here, a little selling there just to get by, can't do too much harm, too many safeguards. That line of reasoning will sink us.

We are the frog in the pot of water and the heat is slowly being turned up, by the fascists in power. The question is up to us, are we going boil or are we going to jump? Stay tuned for developments.

Thanks for posting kpete

Kicked and recommended

[dailykoff]

268. New crimes to cover their past crimes.

It's an old story. . . .

[graywarrior]

272. It's like we've entered into another dimension.

This is so fucking unreal. And yet, we've been watching it happen since 2000. I feel like a Jew in Nazi Germany.

[AtomicKitten]

277. Jeb the Doughboy did this just before 9/11.

Jeb Bush signs Executive Order allowing him to declare martial law in Florida...

September 7, 2001

"Based on the potential massive damage to life and property that may result from an act of terrorism at a Florida port, the necessity to protect life and property from such acts of terrorism..."

Executive Order 01-261 http://sun6.dms.state.fl.us/eog_new/eog/orders/2001/september/eo2001-261-09-07-01.html

BUSH KNEW

[upi402]

309. HOLY CHRIST!!!!

I never heard that before. It's impossible to keep track of all the BushCo high crimes and misdemeanors.

[Babsbrain]

279. Thank God he has was a 'C' student

He would really be doing us a favor if he asked my National Guard son to arrest his 'enemy combatant' mother and have her interred in the Domestic Disturbance Detainee Detention Dungeon. Since the Guard would be activated, it would be very simple to conduct a military coup.

Is * so dumb that he would expect the U.S. troops to arrest U.S. citizens?

[readmoreoften]

296. Here's the thing. He's not going to have your son arrest his mother.

He's going to send your son across the country to arrest someone else's mother. Through this, Bush gets the right to take the National Guard of one state and send it to another state over the heads of the Governors. Disturbance in LA? Fly in the national guard from Idaho who don't understand the big city.

[Cetacea]

280. THE October Surprise

In effect, even if we win, we loose. The ultimate political move.

[TheBaldyMan]

281. well it's one way of getting the troops home from Iraq I suppose

[MasonJar]

282. If we do not get back at least part of the government on 2006 &

2008, I am out of here. The country wants change. If it does not get it, then there has been massive electoral fraud. If we cannot demand a paper trail, we will never win.

[Jcrowley]

283. "Qualified Aliens" to transport "explosive materials" within the United States

Don't forget this. Here's a flashback:

Modification of Authorities on Explosive Materials

(via Secrecy News) The new 2004 Intelligence Authorization Act contains an disturbing section on allowing "qualified aliens" to transport "explosive materials" within the United States. This would allow the CIA and the US Military to train foreign paramilitary forces on US soil. Whether or not this is something which America should do (I don't think it should), this should at least be a matter of public debate. It should not be thrown in the middle of a boilerplate House bill with nary a word. Why aren't the Democrats hitting Bush on this? I'm a Republican and I think this is an outrage.

The following is the complete text of section 332:
SEC. 332. MODIFICATIONS OF AUTHORITIES ON EXPLOSIVE MATERIALS.

(a) AUTHORITY TO DISTRIBUTE EXPLOSIVE MATERIALS TO QUALIFIED ALIENS- Notwithstanding any other provision of law, it shall be lawful for any person knowingly to distribute explosive materials to any qualified alien--
(1) if, in the case of a qualified alien described in subsection (c)(1), the distribution to, shipment to, transportation to, receipt by, or possession by the alien of the explosive materials is in furtherance of such cooperation; or

(2) if, in the case of a qualified alien described in subsection (c)(2), the distribution to, shipping to, transporting to, possession by, or receipt by the alien of explosive materials is in furtherance of the authorized military purpose.

(b) AUTHORITY FOR QUALIFIED ALIENS TO SHIP EXPLOSIVE MATERIALS- Notwithstanding any other provision of law, it shall be lawful for a qualified alien to ship or transport any explosive in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce or to receive or possess any explosive which has been shipped or transported in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce--
(1) if, in the case of a qualified alien described in subsection (c)(1), the possession, shipment, or transportation by the alien of the explosive materials is in furtherance of such cooperation; or

(2) if, in the case of a qualified alien described in subsection (c)(2), the possession, shipment, or transportation by the alien of explosive materials is in furtherance of the authorized military purpose.

http://phaedo.blogspot.com/2003_06_22_phaedo_archive.html

[goforit]

284. Shouldn't the American public be notified prior to signing? A VIOLATION

[lovuian]

285. All Laws are not good and this one SUCKS

All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing.

That it has Warner's name on it shows the traitor he is

All these Congressmen are TRAITORS!!!

Obviously they are worried about Civil War...
and Revolution

Do they have enough Prisons Gas Chambers Troops and Police
to hold back Millions

The Protests show they don't

[GoogleTheTruth]

295. SEE RUSSO'S FREEDOM TO FASCISM FREE!

CLICK - SEE RUSSO'S FREEDOM TO FASCISM
Saturday, October 28, 2006 - FreeMarketNews.com

This is the "Director's Final Cut" authorized version of Aaron Russo's documentary, America: Freedom To Fascism (AFTF). It is being uploaded to Google Video for the first time during the evening of October 19-20th, 2006. Aaron has listened to everyone's feedback - volunteers, students, lovers of freedom & liberty, young and old alike - and, true to his word, he is putting this up "for free" on Google Video knowing that the hour has come for Americans to either be awakened to restore the Republic or be swept aside by the dark global forces of fascism that seeks to enslave mankind.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198&q=freedomtofascism

[NotGivingUp]

314. thanks for the link. you should post this as a new thread.

[GoogleTheTruth]

319. Already Done....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2506635&mesg_id=2506635

[Rabrrrrrr]

301. "public disorder" = "too many people voting for Democrats"

[Imagevision]

304. Cheney; "George, we'll just steal the election, fuckem" - they're spineless what

are they gonna do that we can't handle??

[Imagevision]

305. Reality is a helluva place to be.............all of the time!!

[Kat45]

307. Is this the beginning of the October surprise?

No wonder bush, rove, et all have been acting sooooo confident about the elections.

[lovuian]

308. kick

:kick:

[Jcrowley]

310. kicking

[Individualist]

311. kick

[wtmusic]

312. kick nt

[sandyd921]

313. Kick!

n/t

:kick:

[patrick t. cakes]

315. k/r

[calimary]

317. Holy COW!

My husband speculated months ago that we might not even have election this time around, or maybe in 2008, if bush thought things were going to go badly, so he'd declare martial law. Well, how 'bout this, then. The stage for that is now set.

[GoogleTheTruth]

318. Look for this to happen a couple of months before 2008 election...

Because Congress can take no action on the President's Decision to declare Martial Law for 6 months. So that would mean, no 2008 election right, and him and his cronies keep their positions until "they" decide America is safe... but alas a "Safe America" might never happen again... because I truly believe we are all Sleeping Lions, and the moment this happens, their will be a Revolution. But this revolution has been anticipated this by closing down of numerous US military bases in the 80's/90's and then the covert convertion of these into "http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=FEMA+Detainment+camps">FEMA Detainment Camps"... under the guise of "Immigration control". Don't forget to http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Establishing_martial_law_in_the_United_States">view all of the Executive Orders put in place to let this all happen. Digging a little deeper, you can see that many of our previous leaders have done their part in making this a reality.

[jus_the_facts]

322. Cynical....defeatest.... pessimistic.. .here's to all who've called me that over the years on DU....

....fightin' a revolution riiiiight...remember to save your last bullet for yourself.

HERE'S WHAT IRAQ WAR HERO'S ARE CAPABLE OF..IN CASE YOU MISSED IT!

Man Suspected of Killing and Mutilating His Girlfriend Before Killing Himself Was an Iraq War Hero


Oct. 20, 2006 — - New Orleans is still reeling from news this week that a bartender reportedly strangled his girlfriend, dismembered her body, and cooked some of the body parts on his stove before jumping to his death.

Now, it turns out, he was an Iraq war hero.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2446411