ROFL! "Maybe we shouldn't have laughed at DU'ers who wanted paper ballots...." Freepers terrified!

[Grebrook]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1727931/posts

Apparently Hugo Chavez has a hand in a voter machine company here in the United States and the Freepers are now terrified that he might be trying to screw with the election by helping Democrats. Of course, the situation is more complicated than that, and it's not simply Chavez calling the shots at this company, but the Freepers naturally don't trust him, and now half of them are grumbling about how they mocked DU'ers for wanting a "paper trail".

God, gotta love these people, don't you?

Yes, you were wrong. But don't worry. Chavez doesn't have to "steal" the election. We're going to clean your clocks anyway. "We", being the American people.

[don954]

1. Wonder if it’s ever going to sink in that election integrity is a non-partisan issue?

[SammyWinstonJack]

5. Doubtful. How sad is that?

[tsuki]

9. Surely you jest. We understand anyone controlling the vote is

anti-democratic. They fear anyone other than themselves controlling the vote is bad.

[helderheid]

53. Bravo and WELL SAID

:applause:

[tsuki]

62. Thanks.

:hi:

[mike_c]

2. memo to freepers: it's not Hugo Chavez that you need to worry about....

It's real Americans who still respect democracy.

[proud2BlibKansan]

10. Actually they need to be even more afraid

of the resident in the White House. I don't think he is taking constitutional rights away from only those who did not vote for him. And I doubt that any of the freepers would be immune from being disappeared or tortured.

[valerief]

14. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. The Preznit and all the people

who control him.

[NotGivingUp]

3. all the networks are pushing this so you know they are up to

no good...like refusing to accept the election results saying the dems stole it.

[originalpckelly]

22. Because of course when people in our party said the same thing...

it was totally accurate. Not one chance in hell that it was a case of sour grapes. No, no, when they say it, it is obviously not true, when we say it is. Even if there is the same "evidence", it is only true when we say it.

[MadMaddie]

4. Yep they seem to thrive on getting bit by Karma....

It's funny they are worried about a company Chavez may be involved in but they have not shown the same interest in Diebold....

[donco6]

6. Hey! We have Sequoia machines here!

No wonder Dems win in Denver. :)

[gollygee]

7. I'm glad they're worried

that's the only way the government will be careful about these voting machines.

[bleever]

8. Maybe an honest democracy IS the best system,

for everyone.

Whadda ya know.

[Marr]

11. See, this right here demonstrates the difference between our two groups.

DUers wanted a paper trail so we can have fair elections. We don't care if it's Chavez who's supposed to be rigging some vote for Democrats, or corporate crooks rigging it for Republicans- we want fair elections, period.

Freepers are fine with fraudulent elections, so long as their side wins.

[gully]

18. And there you have it.

eom

[mhatrw]

47. Exactly. They want to split the candy bar & get to pick which piece they get.

Now being told the tables might turn against them, they finally see the wisdom of fairness.

[Justice Is Comin]

12. Well you wanted a freep-o-rama,

how does it feel walking behind your own manure spreader?

[Canuckistanian]

13. Maybe they'll start demanding to see the source code!

Maybe it'll start a trend.

Viva Chavez!

[chill_wind]

41. Bwahh! :-)

I participated for a long time on an open debate board that allowed members from across the complete political spectrum. Natch there was always a very nasty contingency of hard-core, bone-headed, mouth-frothing freepers.

After the 04 elections and all thru the Ohio recount I posted facts, ongoing news and links to the many watch sites and databases of irregularities day afer day after day. I pointed them to the Homeland Security software security warning site itself (still at Brad Blog) that detailed the holes and vulnerabilities in the Diebold security code. I posted frequently the known facts about the sordid history of ALL the major BBV tech companies and the criminal records of many associated in their development. I did this for months.

No amount of framing this as a nonpartisan issue that they too should be concerned about went anywhere- ever. The ridicule and the perjoratives were deafening. They refused--- adamantly REFUSED- to explore those links for themselves.

Intractably stupid stupid stupid fanatical bunch. The internet stands as a detailed mother-lode of history and information on these matters. Yet all will we hear commencing in 10 days and for the next eight to ten years is that Chavez stole the election. We can count on it.

[Joanne98]

58. I wish they would!

[mod mom]

15. Folks on ER list servs think this might be a ploy to say the elections

were rigged and refuse to hand over power. They are also saying that Chavez was not legitimately elected. We have long thought if Dems win some they will cry foul. Remember a surrender of power means subpoenas.

[NotGivingUp]

16. yep, i agree. they are pushing this on all the networks.

[gully]

17. This is GREAT NEWS!

NOW no one can bury their heads in the sand when it comes to election reform.

[upi402]

19. Frreps absolutely positively HATE the taste of theor own medicine

:puke:


:evilgrin:

[gristy]

20. That's pretty amazing - something we agree on with the Freepers

So if the left doesn't want unauditable elections, and the right doesn't want unauditable elections, just who...????

[casus belli]

21. Didn't it occur to any of the Freepers...

that IF Dems were involved in some conspiracy to rig elections, that we wouldn't be yelling so loudly for better accountability with electronic voting? It's not like thieves to point out security flaws in a place they plan on robbing. Now, if they were as smart as they pretend to be, they'd start asking why it was mostly Republicans who said a paper trail was completely unnecessary.

I almost hope they find something. At least that way we could finally get something done about it.

[Patiod]

54. Ha ha! They caught us - we're in on it!

To: Man50D

Maybe we shouldn't have just laughed at all the DUmmies who whined about Diebold fixing elections. We should have taken that as a sign that the LEFT is going to try to "fix" the machines to fix the elections. Leftists are dirty, filthy lying, thieving, bastards. The world would be better off without them.

9 posted on 10/29/2006 5:24:07 AM PST by MichiganConservative (The US is so full of domestic enemies, maybe all we can do is slow the inevitable ascent of tyranny.)
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They're on to us! They saw through our reverse psychology trick! We figured if DEMS wanted paper trails then Repukes would say "no", thus hanging themselves!!! Hahahahahaha! It's not that people are fed us with Bush, fed up with war, and fed up with Repuke corrruption - it's that Chavez is personally controlling 17% of the voting machines, and even though they control the other 83%, we are now in a position to steal the election!!!!

Can't believe they figured this out!!! :cry:
How are we ever going to win now!!!? :cry:

This is HUGH!!!

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

23. Yea they're all happy as long as it's THEIR partisans running the vorting machine

companies.

[robinlynne]

24. Why on earth do people say Chavez owns the company. He has nothing to do

with the company. It USED to be owned by a Venezuelan. That's all.

[frogcycle]

30. venezuelan government owns a piece of hte company

[Judi Lynn]

32. That's completely untrue. Please check this link DU'er "rman" was kind enough

to post in a thread in LBN:

SEQUOIA VOTING SYSTEMS RESPONDS TO VENEZUELA-RELATED RUMORS AND MISINFORMATION


OAKLAND, CA - May 11, 2006 - Sequoia Voting Systems today responded to Venezuela-related rumors and misinformation about the company's ownership, operating structure and past performance.

"Contrary to current misguided conspiracy theories, Sequoia Voting Systems is a U.S. company dedicated to providing Americans accurate, reliable and fair voting systems as we have been for more than 100 years. All of Sequoia's software has been tested by federal Independent Testing Authorities, qualified by federal authorities and certified by individual states," said Jack Blaine, president Sequoia Voting Systems.
(snip)

Sequoia Ownership - Sequoia Voting Systems is a subsidiary of Smartmatic, a private company incorporated in Delaware with principal offices in Boca Raton, Florida. While a private firm, Smartmatic is and has always been open about its owners. A controlling interest is held by its founder and CEO Antonio Mugica, a dual Spanish and Venezuelan citizen.

There is absolutely no ownership of Sequoia Voting Systems or its parent Smartmatic by the Venezuelan government or any other government - foreign or domestic.
(snip)

Smartmatic Operating Structure - Smartmatic's operating structure is comparable to other multinational corporations. Specifically, Smartmatic Corporation is a unit of Smartmatic International Holding, B.V., a Netherlands-based business. Smartmatic International Holding is a unit of Smartmatic International Group, N.V., Curacao. The structure is designed to allow Smartmatic to function efficiently and effectively in vastly different markets and regions around the world.

"To set the record straight, both Sequoia and its parent company Smartmatic are privately-held, independent business. No foreign government has ever held any ownership stake or exercised any management control over either company," said Blaine.
(snip/...)

http://www.sequoiavote.com/article.php?id=74

[frogcycle]

36. thanks!

looks like legit rejoinder

so what's up with the thing on the news? it sounds like another dan rather moment!

I saw it - it wasn't presented as "alleged" or "suspected" or anything - they just flat-out said it.

Sure sounds like an attempt to muddy the water. Sequoia's website says they've had paper audit trails all along, "unlike some newcomers...". Maybe Diebold trying to get a competitive advantage? Or, as suggested in this thread, an attempt to lay the groundwork for nullifying the vote...

[Judi Lynn]

42. They are running the risk of having the whole world laughing at them.

They've known the machines without open source programming, without any oversight are crooked. The only problem they have now is the fact polsters are indicating a lot of people have had it with them and won't be voting for more of the same.

No doubt we should look for a right-wing movement to discredit polsters, maybe even make them illegal before the pResidential election.

The time they should have worried about dishonest machines was every election after 2000. They don't care if they steal power. They just don't want to share it with anyone else. In other words, THEY are the ones who hate democracy.

And they still have the corporate media idiots doing their zombie bidding. Looks like that's permanent.



Maybe someone will become a visionary and start the "Actual News" Network.

[Toots]

43. That's even worse

at least with Chavez we had a chance..

[Wednesdays]

46. How incredibly ironic,

considering this:
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=2118

Chavez and Supporters Condemn Destabilization Plans for Venezuelan Elections

Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006

By: Michael Fox – Venezuelanalysis.com

Caracas, October 25, 2006 (Venezuelanalysis.com)— Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, Venezuelan officials, politicians and others denounced over the past week, what they believe are plans to destabilize the Venezuelan Presidential Elections, which is set to be held in less than six weeks, on December 3rd.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

56. Why do 9/11 conspiracists claim that Neil Bush ran security...

...at the World trade center? Guilt-by-association can only be taken so far before it begins to resemble Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon or numerology.

[johnaries]

25. That's right Freepers, we're going to rig the black boxes, so

Paper Ballots Now!

[progressoid]

26. Wait until President Obama or H Clinton get to use all the presidential powers that

have been built up in the Executive branch. Oooh, they're heads are gonna 'splode then.

[BlooInBloo]

27. You shoulda posted the 2nd part of the quote!

That genius actually said that the reason we have always wanted to either fix or ditch the voting machines is SO WE COULD CHEAT!

ROFLMAO!!!

Thank you for pointing me there. I get down on the genius things that get said here sometimes. It's helpful to recall that it gets much, much worse.

[johnaries]

28. There were lots of hilarious posts, many claiming we were

already doing it.

Yeah, that's why Dems have been in power the last 6 years....

[BlooInBloo]

29. lol! "genius" doesn't even begin to describe them.

[buddysmellgood]

31. They are essentially admitting that they believe elections can be stolen by

those who own the machines. Given that, they were ok with the last two elections being stolen. Therefore,they are not Americans. Americans fight for the rights of other Americans, even if they disagree with them. The Freepers can go fuck themselves. They are so good at that.

[Arugula Latte]

33. Freeps -- Be very afraid! I heard that vote rigging can go both ways!

Who knows, you may get a few surprises coming your way. Once the genie is out of the box, it's hard to put 'er back in. Surely not all who are privy to voting-related computer code are enamored of your corrupt, chickenhawk, extremist, miserable failure of a president and his debauched, fraudulent party members in the GOP. You just may be getting some payback -- I don't know, personally. However, if I were you, I'd work for paper ballots for ALL races.

[stepnw1f]

61. lol (nt)

[Stephanie]

34. Good! Finally an issue we can all agree on.

Voter Verified Paper Ballots!

[ginnyinWI]

35. Somebody is setting up an excuse for the coming GOP rout.

If the Dems win big, they can blame it all on Hugo Chavez. Then they don't have to face the fact that their party can't govern and that the people finally realize it.

[Kerrytravelers]

37. And, of course, the typical nonsense.

To: Man50D
It is long past time to deny visas to all Venezuelan passport holders.

Any Venezuelans who wanted out of that Communist hellhole have left already.

Next, diplomatic ties should be broken and their embassage kicked out. They should not even be granted visas to attend the UN.

Lock them out.

.



5 posted on 10/29/2006 4:37:49 AM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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And one voice of ... reason? :wow:




To: Man50D
Actually we deserve it - for laughing off the Dems when they said that they wanted a "paper trail".

6 posted on 10/29/2006 5:00:22 AM PST by BobL (http://www.brusselsjournal.com/blog/4556 (here is where the real Europe is going))
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And then, your typical terrorists concerns and the like... :eyes:

[Bassic]

44. Here's another jewel,

To: MichiganConservative
You have a point. Whenever the left screams too loudly about something, it usually means they are doing it.



23 posted on 10/29/2006 9:09:35 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Search for Folding Project - Join FR Team 36120)
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:banghead:

[Kerrytravelers]

48. Yes. That must be it. We wanted * to be in office 8 years.

I wonder if being that stupid actually hurts.

[Bassic]

49. Probably not.

In order for one to be that stupid, chances are the part of the brain that registers pain (along with a lot of other parts) just doesen't exist.

[McCamy Taylor]

38. GOP "Terra" in the Polling Place. They have known this for months.

They have had an informal investigation going on since July but they chose 1 week before the election to turn it into a formal Terra fest and launch this on the public. They have known about this for months. They have been studying this for months. They could have acted upon it. Instead the will use it as an excuse to mount court challenges to close Democratic wins and to let GOPers grumble that the Democrats "stole" elections (so that Karl Rove can claim it wasn't his fault when he loses by larger margins).

[CarbonDate]

39. Whatever it takes to get things done.

If Republicans win honestly, I can live with that. I won't be happy, but I can live with it. It's the cheating that bothers me. And if fear of Chavez rigging an election in America is enough to get them to join hands with us on this issue, then I'm all for it.

If they're going to join us on this issue to have a paper trail, then we should welcome them, regardless of their reasons.

Lurking freepers: we all want free and fair elections, right? We all love America and want this grand democracy to continue, right? Let's come together on this. You can see it's not a partisan issue.

[Kerrytravelers]

51. Exactly. Well said.

Whoever wins, if it's honest, I can live with. Since I perform my civic duty and vote, I feel I have every right to complain all day long if I so feel the need, but I can live with it. I just like knowing that, even if I'm not thrilled, it was an honest win. Then, the policy that follows, even if I don't like it, I know it is policy that was put in place through honest means.

[upi402]

40. just fake news to rally Rethug voters. LINK

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2513427&mesg_id=2514369

That says it all.

Judi Lynn
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[smartvoter]

45. Well, since just about every one of us has said we neede them to worry before

there would be change, I'm glad they're worried.

The funny part is they say on one hand that they shouldn't have laughed us off for wanting paper trails, and on the other, that we want to use the machines to steal elections.

And we wonder why they are so easily manipulated by their leaders...

[Patiod]

55. I've always said: "what if Soros owned the machines?"

No as sanguine about how fair they are, now, huh?

We needed something like this to electrify those idiots and open their (usually closed eyes). Now they're awake, and maybe will realize that fair elections are in everyone's best interest, not just "liberals".

[SouthernBelle82]

50. From what I understand

Chavez doesn't own any voting machine's. It's just the machine's are from Venezuela.

[Jawja]

52. Like I've said before,

the election process will be cleaned up when Democrats steal an election or two. THEN you'll have the GOP scrambling for paper trails and accountability re: software.

[Renew Deal]

57. Unsafe elections are bad for everyone and dangerous for America

There is no one that benefits from stolen elections in the long run.

[suziedemocrat]

59. Good - they should be afraid we're going to cheat.

Then maybe they will put in safeguards to protect EVERYONE. Every Republican I've met thinks cheating is OK as long as it's their side doing the cheating. They still want to get even for the Kennedy/Nixon election in 1960.

[stepnw1f]

60. Well Duh.... Finally the Fools are Worried

it takes a stupid lie from ROVE and Co. to backfire before they realize our voting system is being compromised by private companies. Holy shit... no wonder they support Bush, they are border-line retarded...