I WILL MARCH ON WASHINGTON D.C.

[StraightDope]

I don't care if I lose my job.

I don't care if I have to put my education on hold.

I don't care if I get arrested.

I don't care if I disappear.

I don't care if I'm the only one there.

I care about my country. If yet another election is stolen, and the inexorable march to war with Iran (or God-knows-who) continues, I am going to Washington, and I'm NOT leaving until the dignity, honor, and reputation of my nation is restored. I WILL NOT GO ANYWHERE until the traitors in Washington are gone, once and for all, and have been held accountable for their crimes.

Stealing three (soon to be four) elections. Starting illegal wars of conquest by way of false pretense. Looting the Treasury. Irreparably damaging the prestige and moral fortitude of the U.S.A. Torturing the innocent. So many more, TOO many more...

I don't care if I have to wait until January 20, 2009, through winter chill and summer heat.

I don't care if doing this will result in my death.

The Right loves to tell me that Freedom isn't free. I agree. I will make my sacrifice, for the good of these United States.

It is only when we give up all that we have, that we truly have anything.

If and when the time comes, I WILL MARCH ON WASHINGTON D.C.!!!!!

[JackBeck]

1. You won't be alone.

I'll be your cell mate in the Hallibuton built camps.

[StraightDope]

3. At least I'm not the only one...

I'm quite serious about this. This isn't just a puff-out-your-chest, feel-good post. I live only a few hours from D.C., and I WILL GO. I've had enough. I've sat idly by for far too long. Enough is enough!

[JackBeck]

9. I hear you loud and clear and I'm serious. There will be millions marching

with you. Just looks at the last Washington march and the one in NYC this past year. Masssive turnouts at both.

[itsmesgd]

2. you will not be alone

just tell me the date, time, and street corner to meet up.

Dave checking in

[originalpckelly]

4. You have no idea.

We know now that if we lose it will almost certainly be some kind of fraud, and I wouldn't be surprised if normal everyday Americans march with us.

[StraightDope]

13. Well, even if Joe Sixpack or Sally Housecoat won't inconvenience themselves

I firmly believe that there are some dedicated people like us who will do what it takes to reclaim our democracy.

[itsmesgd]

5. what's the plan

Has anyone begun to make arrangements or plans for any formal march? If not, do we just show up as soon as it is evident that the election was stolen?

[walldude]

7. There is a formal plan for a March 17, 2007 march

I'll see if I can find the link

[walldude]

8. Link:

http://answer.pephost.org/site/News2?abbr=ANS_&page=NewsArticle&id=8033

I realize this won't help the post election issues but if it's a planned march you need this is the one.

[itsmesgd]

10. isn't that called a St. Patricks Day parade?

Sorry, but who picked March 17? The media would tint the picture green and call it the largest St. Paddy's Day parade in DC's history.

We need something more immediate like they did down in Mexico. An instant, reactionary statement showing that there is a movement for truth and that we will not go back home and be good consumers, debtors, and employees.

[walldude]

16. Hey don't bite my head off, I just posted the link

I didn't pick the date and I don't plan on going. Those "organized" marches are too disorganized for me..

[catmandu57]

11. March is too late

This needs to be immediate, within days our force must be mustered and ready to sacrafice.

[Doctor_J]

20. March? After the new Congress has been seated for two months?

No wonder the GOP always wins.

[StraightDope]

22. Indeed...

Too little, too late in that particular instance.

Nov 13th... At the absolute latest!

[Subdivisions]

33. The plan is simple. If they steal the elections,

we meet on the Mall in DC and we go from there. I would suggest DUer's agree on a specific spot on the Mall where we can meet and begin to form a subsequent plan.

[StraightDope]

38. I prefer spontaneity...

If for no other reason than it facilitates the element of surprise. If and when I go, I'm going to fell out the city for a day or three, and figure out what the most effective course of action is on my own. I'm sure that if others do the same, then I wo't be the only one to arrive at said conclusion.

Planning in advance just offers the powers that be an opportunity to stop us before we start.

Think of it this way... There are at least 20000 DUers, not to mention another 20000 Kossacks who would be willing and hopefully able to resist another stolen election by converging on D.C. 40000 people is a whole hell of a lot. Empires have fallen facing lesser-sized armies than that.

I'm going to do what I have to, I can't stress that enough. Whoever else feels as strongly about it, bully for you. Join me, I implore you! Together we can accomplish something, alone, perhaps not. Keep that in mind...

[AZBlue]

6. Yeah. We have to this time. And we need to be ready to.

Hopefully we won't need to - but if we do, we'll need to act quickly.

[StraightDope]

12. I'll be going within three days after the election.

I'm not waiting around for court battles or the like. We, as loyal and patriotic Americans, have a duty to wrest control of our destiny from those who have STOLEN it from us.

EDIT: Removed inflammatory rhetoric.

[AZBlue]

18. I think we need a convergence upon DC as well as in each state

When I hear of other countries rallying to protest votes and other actions, it always seems that the most successful ones are in the smaller countries. I may be very wrong on that, but it makes sense that it would be that way - obviously a smaller country means you don't have to travel all that far to attend a rally, no matter where you live.

I for one would LOVE to attend a rally in DC - but I honestly don't know how I'd get there from AZ - it will be too expensive for me to fly last-minute and too far to drive (you'd be done marching by the time I got there).

So, I think at least one rally should be planned per state. More if possible. Give the most people possible the means and opportunity to get out there and protest and they'll see an uprising that won't be ignored.

[StraightDope]

23. "(you'd be done marching by the time I got there)."

No. I'll be there until justice prevails. I'm no kidding when I say that if I have to take up residence in a cardboard box for the next two years in order to stand on my principles, I WILL DO IT.

I can do no less. My comfort at the expense of selling out the United States of America is not an option. Someone has to be brave enough to be the first. If that someone has to be me, then that's that. I won't let these warmongering thugs destroy my nation without doing everything within my morals and power to make my voice heard!

[Subdivisions]

35. Absolutely! This will require an IMMEDIATE response. No

waiting around. If I determine that the election has been stolen, I will be en route by Nov. 10, good fortunes' willing.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

14. K&R DAMN RIGHT! I'M WITH YOU! SOLIDARITY

[terip64]

15. I will meet you there.

[StraightDope]

17. I certainly hope so...

I'm thinking the Monday or so after the stolen election. Greyhound tickets are cheap. If it happens AGAIN, I'm not going anywhere until such a time comes when Bushco. are gone, and hopefully on their way to the Hague. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Perhaps I'll get a chance to meet some of my fellow DU'ers whilst incarcerated. Pepper spray, tazers, jail, none of these things will stop me. If I get locked up, the first thing that I'm going to do when I get out is go right back to where I was taken from. Eventually, the sensationalist media will focus some attention on me. That's what they do. When that occurs, it can only get better from there.

I WILL MARCH ON WASHINGTON D.C.!!!!!

[Doctor_J]

19. You'll be aggressively ignored

Notice all the good the war protests did.

[StraightDope]

21. That's fine.

I fully expect to be one ring of a three ring media circus, the other two being occupied by a missing white girl and the scandal du jour. Perfectly OK by me. I WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS ANY LONGER!

When the time comes, years from now, DECADES from now, I want to be able to hold my head high and say, "Yes. Yes I did resist this evil, publically, to the best of my ability.

Will my actions stop the course of events? No. Will they be remembered? In all likelyhood, no. Is this an eminently foolish course of action? Most assuredly yes.

Just the same, this is something that I must do, if and when another election is stolen. I can do no less, if I'm to consider myself a patriot. Anything less would be sheer cowardice. The line must be drawn HERE. If I have to be one of the first to put myself at risk in order to draw that line, so be it.

Again, I say, "I WILL MARCH ON WASHINGTON!!!!!"

[itsmesgd]

25. I'll be there marching with ya

The greyhound bus idea was a great one, and one of the more feasible means of transportation for those of us more than few hours away.

Who ever mentioned that there is nothing so disorganized as an organized protest demonstration was correct. I say that we should tentatively plan on the next weekend, if we are to plan at all. I think that it might take a while for the computer issues to be resolved.

I had planned on marching on the soa (school of the americas) in columbus, ga the next weekend, but I think that an impromptu city of protestors on the mall might be better use of my time.

As for the poster who said what if the repubs win fairly, or what if the dems win? I believe that we can hope that the decision is clean and clear, but we must be prepared to act if need be.

(let's keep this thread on the first page if we can)

sgd

[Name removed]

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[Strelnikov_]

26. Thank You For Your Concern n/t

[StraightDope]

28. I'm willing to give you the benfit of the doubt here...

But if there is no fraud, the Republican party doesn't have a chance. Documented by both parties? According to certain elements of the Kerry '04 camp, Ohio was on the up and up. I don't buy it, and neither should you.

For that matter, this time around, if the Democrats don't control the House AND the Senate, then I'll KNOW that some aspect of the '06 election wasn't above board.

Think what you will...

[Name removed]

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[StraightDope]

37. I've said it for years now...

All the politicians in this country know how to do is campaign. They are clueless when it comes to governance.

That being said, if the Republican party magically comes out of Novemebr 7, 2006 with 'unforseen, unprecedented victories', then I will know that something is amiss.

Fuck proof. My goal is not to convince anyone else that the election was stolen.

My goal is to do what is right, to do what I can to stop this.

I've sat silent for long enough. The line must be drawn HERE!

I am but one man. But one man can change the world. I believe that. And as I said, if I must be the first, so be it. I know that I will not be the last...

[BelgianMadCow]

27. How I'd love to see GD swamped with threads like THIS

I like your attitude. Shouldn't there be a true DU organising on this?

I have asked for a pledge with regards to this. The response was kinda underwhelming :
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2511971&mesg_id=2511971

[itsmesgd]

30. plan....or not

Here's the plan, pick a date to start the protest and incampment, pick a locale (preferably a street corner or public park) before we should get herded into a free speech zone somewhere miles away, spread the word, and get ready.

I'll leave the details to someone more familiar with DC. I haven't been there for 5 years.

not an order, just a start

peace
sgd

[StraightDope]

31. I'm glad that you like my attitude, but organization? PSHAW!

Organization? 2x PSHAW!

Fuck that, with all due respect.

I'm going to D.C. if it (a stolen election) happens again. That's that. No more. I will not stand for it again.

Not a "march", per se. Not a "protest".

An occupation. A la Ukraine, 2004. The Ukranian people had the right idea, and they prevailed Yuschenko is their President, despite evil men working to undermine the will of the Ukranian people.

All it takes is ONE person to start the proverbial snowball rolling. If I have to be that person, so be it. We've ALL, myself included, let this shit slide, in too many ways, and for far too long. It's time to stand up for what's right, and hold those responsible for our national disgrace accountable for their actions.

Our Founding Fathers gave us the most supreme of gifts. To describe it in Lincolnian terms, a governement of the people, for the people, and by the people. Our governement in this foul year of our Lord 2006 (thank you Hunter S. Thompson) does not even remotely live up to that ideal. I shall not acquiesce any longer. Those of you who are willing to relinquish your comforts may join me.

To be completely and totally honest, I WILL GO, even if I stand alone.

[itsmesgd]

34. that'll work

good idea, impromptu protest city

[BelgianMadCow]

36. I think I agree

see? http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2511971&mesg_id=2511971

Nevertheless, there is no reason NOT to try and show up in numbers is there...maybe you plan to drive someplace and can pick someone up.

[stepnw1f]

29. kick! (nt)

[midnight]

39. Keep me updated, and I might just join ya.

[itsmesgd]

40. getting down to crunch time folks

<excuse the kick>

[dave123williams]

41. Your march has happened before, brother:

The Battle of Anacostia Flats

In the summer of 1932, in the midst of the Great Depression, World War I veterans seeking early payment of a bonus scheduled for 1945 assembled in Washington to pressure Congress and the White House. Hoover resisted the demand for an early bonus. Veterans benefits took up 25% of the 1932 federal budget. Even so, as the Bonus Expeditionary Force swelled to 60,000 men, the president secretly ordered that its members be given tents, cots, army rations and medical care.



In July, the Senate rejected the bonus 62 to 18. Most of the protesters went home, aided by Hoover's offer of free passage on the rails. Ten thousand remained behind, among them a hard core of Communists and other organizers. On the morning of July 28, forty protesters tried to reclaim an evacuated building in downtown Washington scheduled for demolition. The city's police chief, Pellham Glassford, sympathetic to the marchers, was knocked down by a brick. Glassford's assistant suffered a fractured skull. When rushed by a crowd, two other policemen opened fire. Two of the marchers were killed.

At this point the District of Columbia government asked federal troops to preserve order. Hoover reluctantly agreed, but only after limiting Major General Douglas MacArthur's authority. MacArthur's troops would be unarmed. The mission was to escort the marchers unharmed to camps along the Anacostia River. But MacArthur ignored the president's orders, taking no prisoners and driving tattered protesters from their encampment.

After Hoover ordered a halt to the army's march, MacArthur again took things into his own hands, violently clearing the Anacostia campsite. A national uproar ensued. In far off Albany, New York, Democratic presidential candidate Franklin D. Roosevelt grasped the political implications instantly. "Well," he told a friend on hearing the news, "this elects me."

If we have to march, well, I'm there.

[StraightDope]

43. I'm glad that you referenced Anacostia...

Look at what ended up happening as a result of WWI vets standing up for themselves... Fifteen years of the most liberal government that the U.S. has ever enjoyed.

If occupying D.C. would result in a similar outcome, then I would consider my actions successful beyond my wildest dreams.

[In Truth We Trust]

42. Hell Yeah! Me too. Hand Counted Paper Ballots NOW! ...or Fascism Forever.

[savemefromdumbya]

44. they will microwave you

[StraightDope]

46. Let 'em!

I will NOT be deterred by the threat of harm to my person. Some things are worth suffering for, and this, to me at least, is one of them!

Taze me, pepper spray me, microwave me, I don't care.

If they steal another election, I'm going, and that's that.

[gauguin57]

45. I can be in D.C. in about 2 hours, 45 minutes. Depending on traffic.

Three hours, if you want me to shower and put on makeup so I won't frighten Abe Lincoln sitting in his memorial!

So, just post and let us all know where you'll be.