Kerry trashers/ whiners

[mitchtv]

FEEL FREE TO TAKE THE REST OF THE DAY OFF. You've done the job bush wanted you to

[SammyWinstonJack]

1. knr!

[Atman]

2. knr

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[Terri S]

3. I agree!!

Every democrat should have been as outraged as Kerry was and fighting back instead of telling him to 'shut his mouth'.

[SammyWinstonJack]

8. If Kerry doesn't fight, they bash him. Guess to some, he's damned if he doesn't

and damned if he does. :crazy:

[IADEMO2004]

9. AMEN

[truebrit71]

4. Amen.

STFU.

[corkhead]

5. TOO LITTLE TOO LATE. WHERE WAS THIS KERRY IN 2004?

:hide: :sarcasm: :popcorn: :rofl:

[Coexist]

7. you got me!

:D

[derby378]

54. Amen to that

Russ Feingold for 2008. God, that sounds so good...

[Jacobin]

6. Might I extend the same kind invitation to you?

Bush is stuck with his association with the failed war every day in the news. He's been drowning in it.

Kerry has now given the RW reprobates an excuse to suggest that the last democratic nominee for president is disrespecting the troops or using them in punch lines for jokes.

That is not gonna sway me or you at the polls, and it won't sway the back wash.

THIS IS A FIGHT FOR THE UNDECIDED DOLTS, that 15% in the middle. This can make them uncomfortable about voting dem to show their displeasure with Bush and Iraq.

I respectfully insist upon the right to, as you put it, 'whine' about Kerry.

[mitchtv]

10. Fine , just don't expect

a red carpet

[Jacobin]

12. I'm sure your riding on one

If that makes you feel good, go for it.

I'm more interested in talking about what will win the election with the Undecided Dolts, not worshiping our last failed nominee for president

[babylonsister]

23. If there are dolts left who are undecided, which I doubt, then

Kerry's speech defending himself and piling criticism on this admin and this war should sway them to be anti-war and pro-Dem. I think it's a win-win.

[Jacobin]

32. lemme get this straight

You are not aware that the middle 15% of american voters are swing voters????

Let me suggest that discussions between us will not be illuminating and should accordingly end.

Peace

[babylonsister]

37. Gladly. You nose is too far up in the air for me anyway. nt

[emulatorloo]

11. Why don't you whine about the "RW reprobates?" n/t

[Jacobin]

13. May I suggest that that would do no good?

Is anyone here seriously trying to get the back wash to vote Dem?

If so, I will go out on a limb and say they are wasting their time.

Its the middle 15 percent undecideds that this last week is about.

[emulatorloo]

22. Maybe the best strategy would be to call your friend to make sure they are

voting. Cuz who knows what the undecideds are going to do. And I beleive many of them are smart enough to see trough a Karl Rove Bull Shit act of desperation.

[Jacobin]

29. The very fact that they are undecided

means:

a)they are clueless dolts

b)they don't pay attention to politics except 5 minutes of media every week.

In either case, Kerry was not helpful for the undecideds.

[misternormal]

48. I am sure if any of the undecided...

... are reading this thread, you swayed them to the democratic side by calling them "dolts"...

good job :sarcasm:

btw... Good response today Sen Kerry..

[RobertSeattle]

14. And don't get the story from Right Wing Radio!

[rzemanfl]

15. K & R. n/t

[zulchzulu]

16. To the ones that stay on the pier or shiver on the sidelines...

Get out of the way and shut your pieholes unless you have something good to say to help Democrats win in a week. This is a war, goddamn it!

[Mojambo]

17. I support the sentiment, I really do

But you realize that this is almost exactly the tact that pro-war people take against people dissenting?

"You can't criticize cause we're in a war!"

I just thought it was kinda funny.

[zulchzulu]

25. If this was a football game and the QB slipped on the grass...

...should the team just pack it up and leave like a bunch of goddamn pussies?

These mimby-pimby embarrassments for a Democrat just need to get out of the way and not do Rove's bidding. Period.

[emulatorloo]

18. knr! EOM

[Name removed]

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[Double T]

20. Kerry's 'stupid' joke could easily sway some of the undecided......

or on the fence voters to the other side. Kerry's mouth has got 'US' in trouble again.

[devilgrrl]

24. How much does Netvocates pay per post?

eom

[Double T]

30. Sorry, you must have ME confused with SOMEBODY ELSE..........

perhaps THEY can direct YOU to the RIGHT-WING people.



http://www.netvocates.com/

[devilgrrl]

No I'm not confused, your post oozes of concern trolldom...

got a problem with me calling you on it?

Tough beans.

[Double T]

40. Kerry's botched 'joke' could easily be construed as an insult to our troops'.....

intelligence. You can call me whatever you want; I'm NOT a lemming liberal that buys into the party's damage control front for a former Democratic presidential candidate that stumbles over his own words during speeches and has problems articulating his message.

[devilgrrl]

49. "construed as an insult to our troops"

by rightwing loudmouths!!!!!!!

You think most people are THAT stupid?

Yeah, whatever.

[emulatorloo]

26. Stop wringing your hands and GOTV

A lot of people are smart enough to see through this Karl Rove bullshit.

In the meantime, let's get everybody we know to vote.

[Double T]

34. I'm NOT, and I PLAN TO

[Red Right and BLUE]

21. K n R! nt

[porphyrian]

27. Really. Are there actually that many people here freaking out about this nothing?

Concern troll attack, knee-jerk reaction.

[warrens]

28. Thumbs up

I had surgery on Friday and was home this morning before returning to work. Kerry came across great, and the CNN reporters were almost grinning while reading his response. Go John!

Notice that the polls are moving our way, not their way.

[siztnarf]

31. What was he thinking?

The timing and the message couldn't have been worse. It's Christmas on Halloween for Karl Rove. What was John Kerry thinking?

I'm loyal to my liberal/progressive ideals not to any particular politician. Today Kerry, to my horror, inexplicably damaged the possibility of taking back both houses from the crooks. How much damage we'll never know but a lot depends on how Kerry handles this going forward. So far it looks like he's more concerned with keeping his presidential ambitions alive. Nobody made him say what he said. His explanation is pathetic. If I don't buy it, and I voted for him in '04, I certainly don't expect the rest of America, 90% of whom are to the right of me to buy it. He needs to apologize to the troops imediately so we can put this debacle behind us and keep pressure on Bush and the squirming repugs. By not apologizing to the troops he puts the Repugs in the role of defending the troops for however long this lasts and Nov.7th is only a week away. This is a classic political screw up of the highest order by someone you'd think would know better.

[blondeatlast]

35. With all due respect...

Bullshit.

Can someone else buy this poor concerned newbie a beer?

[siztnarf]

38. Of course I'm concerned

I am very concerned about this election. Do you not know how many close races there are? Do you realize that the margin for winning many of these races is going to be within 1 or 2%? Do you understand that Rove would love for Kerry to continue raving about this and keep it in the top of the news until election day? Go ahead and continue contibuting to the discussions on this site by posting unmistakably veteran replies like "bullshit" when you disagree. I will not be cocky or complacent this time because I know what's at stake and I know what a fuck up is when I see it.

[JNelson6563]

33. It's so funny

I've got my issues with Kerry and the last election but that never stops me from seeing and appreciating when he does a good thing.

I think what he has done is a good thing. Just who it is that gets sucked into the military machine is a topic that needs to be focused on.

Julie

[Deja Q]

43. Why NOW? Why with easily misconstrued words?

Indeed, using the glib generalization of 'education' as to who goes in and who "succeeds"... Kerry's supposedly bright. Why is he being so sloppy with his linguistics?

And I quote: "You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don't, you get stuck in Iraq," he said.

Come on, Kerry was trolling. It's as simple as that. After all, there are DUers with Masters degrees who haven't had a minute's worth of employment since having their jobs offshored. Education is not the issue. Kerry's disgusting, one-sided comment is. And may the Democratic Party not suffer because of that creep. (I haven't forgotten his performance in the 2004 debates and the quick concession of the election despite plenty of valid reasons to make a case for fraud. The Republicans would have if they had lost...)

[me b zola]

50. Jesus, I really don't get how ANYBODY could "misconstue" Kerry's words

Kerry was educated @ Yale and volunteered to go smack dab into the middle of a deadly quagmire that bears a great deal of resemblance to Iraq! WTF! It's not as if Kerry was the one to go AWOL to avoid service in Vietnam! So was Kerry calling himself stupid and undereducated?

The fact that this must be pointed out to people on a progressive message board is disturbing.

[Bake]

36. I will not "take the rest of the day off."

This is, or was, the last time I looked, the DEMOCRATIC Underground. You remember DEMOCRACY, don't you? That ideal institution that does not fear opposing voices?

I trashed Kerry for making a stupid freshman mistake. I did it HERE, on the DEMOCRATIC Underground. I'm not doing Rove's bidding, nor am I quitting and sitting it out for the next 7 days. Nobody - NOBODY -that I have seen on this side of the argument suggests that we ought to just pack it in, but many of the pro-Kerry Club have done a Rovian twist on OUR words, and frankly, I'm not going to let you get away with it.

What I did say was that Kerry made a stupid mistake, that reminded me of his disastrous 2004 campaign when he just QUIT FIGHTING. I said it to other committed Democrats. As well as the few Greens, Socialists, et al. that hang around here. But like I said, this is the DEMOCRATIC Underground. So you may NOT twist my words, tell me to "shut the fuck up," etc. STFU??? You mean like Laura Ingraham saying, "Shut up and sing?" How "Democratic" of you.

You are dismissed.

Bake

[Oleladylib]

39. You are correct in your assessment of a stupid mistake!!!!

We certainly didn't need to be defending John Kerry one week before midterms.. Bad terminology he used and twisting it today doesn't get anywhere..

[mitchtv]

45. And you, are mistaken.

Since when does take the rest of the day off equal STFU? Please do not put words in my mouth either.

[Bake]

56. See reply no. 4 above.

From someone posting in agreement with your OP. And I quote: "STFU." Does that mean something OTHER than "shut the fuck up?" I'm not putting words in your mouth. "STFU" seems to be the position of those in agreement with your OP. And what, exactly, does "take the rest of the day off" mean if not "shut up" (with or without "the fuck").

Bake

[David Zephyr]

41. K&R.

Right on, bro! :thumbsup:

[Deja Q]

42. Who's your target audience?

[stepnw1f]

44. Kick (nt)

[oasis]

46. They can join "Backstabber" McCain for a beer, Rove will catch the tab. (eom)

[sendero]

47. As an perennial Kerry basher..

.. (not really, but someone who doesn't want him for 2008) - let me agree.

So Kerry said something impolitic. Yes, the wingnuts and the MSM will go to town trying to make something out of it. Guess fucking what? Kerry is not running for anything right now.

Kerry can turn this lemon into lemonade by going in front of as many cameras as possible and clarifying his position and excorciating the Bush** failure agenda.

Bottom line, this is the kind of mistake I can forgive, and IMHO 99% of the folks who will get their panties in a wad over this were already going to vote Republican. Hell, he might even win some votes for us, for simply having the balls to make a tough point.

[malaise]

53. Bingo

Kick

[lonestarnot]

51. Don't they just suck ass!

[Seabiscuit]

52. Does any criticism of Kerry earn one the moniker "trashers/whiners"???

I'm not sure who this thread is aimed at.

But anyone noting (1) that the joke Kerry intended to deliver was not very funny, or not worth making, or (2) that by botching the delivery he inadvertantly created a linguistic ambiguity which was cynically exploited by the Republicans, is simply stating the obvious.

Unfortunately, Kerry delivered a faux pas to the Republicans who can now make hay with it across the media spectrum just one week before the most critical election of our lifetime. If he can't tell funnier jokes, or at least deliver them correctly, perhaps the Democratic Party should just stick masking tape over Kerry's mouth near election time in the future.

[Bake]

57. "Bingo"

As some have said ...

Thanks a million, JK. Great job. You fucking idiot.

Bake

[Cobalt Violet]

55. K & R bigtime.

exactlly

[frustrated_lefty]

58. If only he hired you to write his speeches,

he might be able to get a point across!