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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:36 PM
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Connecting the stripes: Was Mrs. Young's "ejection" from the SOTU staged?
I can find no pictures, no witnesses, no video or audio. There are no first-person accounts to corroborate the story. Only the media are talking about the alleged ejection of the wife of Rep. Bill Young, R-Fla. from Tuesday's State of the Union address.



Think about it. Help me walk through this for a moment or two.

We have Cindy Sheehan's personal account of her arrest, and several pictures. That it really happened, there is no doubt.



However, a cursory look at the websites of the usual purveyors of news and irritainment reveals little about what actually transpired regarding Mrs. Young. Some examples follow:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/01/sheehan.arrest/

<snip>

Anti-war protester Cindy Sheehan wore a shirt with the message "2,245 Dead. How many more?" -- a reference to the number of U.S. troops killed in Iraq.

Beverly Young, the wife of 18-term Republican U.S. Rep. Bill Young of Florida, wore a shirt that read "Support the Troops."

Both shirts resulted in their owners being ejected from the House chamber before President Bush's State of the Union address on Tuesday night.
Sheehan, an invited guest of Rep. Lynn Woolsey, D-California, was arrested around 8:30 p.m. ET on charges of unlawful conduct. Young was asked to leave but not arrested.

</snip>

There is no evidence in this story that Mrs. Young was "ejected". Who asked Mrs. Young to leave? Surely someone else must have witnessed this. But notice the link to Cindy Sheehan.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20060201/cm_huffpost/014943;_ylt=A86.I0H8FOFDXwgA_Rb9wxIF;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA--

<snip>

The other shirt is in the wardrobe of Beverly Young, the wife of Florida Republican congressman Bill Young. She said she was kicked out of her gallery seat six rows away from Laura Bush for wearing a shirt reading "Support the Troops -- Defending Our Freedom.'' In this case, the police said, she didn't get ejected -- she was just asked to leave, and she did.

</snip>

So, here we learn that Mrs. Young was not ejected, let alone arrested, but simply "was just asked to leave".
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http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/2240462.html

<snip>

Republican Congressman Bill Young of Florida is hopping mad that his wife was ejected from Tuesday night’s State of the Union Address for wearing a T-Shirt urging support for U.S. troops.

Standing in the well of the House chamber, Young held up the T-shirt , which read "Support the Troops -- Defending Our Freedom."

Young says his wife was told she was removed because "she was a protester."

She told the St. Petersburg Times she was sitting about six rows from Laura Bush when she was asked to leave, and that she then argued with police in the hallway.

</snip>

This story describes how Mrs. Young was sitting within six rows of Laura Bush. How did no one notice this? And note that the story gives no accounting of the alleged removal of Mrs. Young, only of her husband's outrage, and his showing of her offending T-shirt, no photo. A brief mention is given to Cindy Sheehan, just enough to link the story in the minds of the readers.
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And on and on. I can't find a single factual account as to what really happened regarding the alleged "ejection" of Mrs. Young. Not one. Only that she was asked to leave.

No pictures. No witnesses or even anecdotal information.

Just stuff like this:

Rep. Young's wife says she was ejected from State of the Union

<snip>

The wife of Rep. C.W. Bill Young said she was ejected during President Bush's State of the Union address for wearing a T-shirt that said, "Support the Troops Defending Our Freedom," a newspaper reported Wednesday.

Beverly Young said she was sitting in the front row of the House gallery Tuesday night when she was approached by someone who told her she needed to leave, according to the St. Petersburg Times.

After reluctantly agreeing, she said, she argued with several officers in an outside hallway.

"They said I was protesting," she said in a telephone interview with the newspaper Tuesday. "I said, 'Read my shirt, it is not a protest.' They said, 'We consider that a protest.' I said, 'Then you are an idiot.'"

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Now, if you're still with me, thanks for your patience. Let's take a little trip back into time. Ready?



Phil Parlock. Remember this guy? He once made DU's "Top Ten Conservative Idiots" list, at #4 with a bullet.

Link is here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/04/171.html

The Parlock story reads as follows, from that link:

You have to feel sorry for Phil Parlock. I mean, the guy was just trying to exercise his First Amendment rights at a John Kerry campaign event, and he was viciously attacked by Democratic thugs. They even made his daughter cry!

"They just pounced on us," said Phil Parlock, "She was crying; they were pushing and shoving her." My God - will those evil Democrats stop at nothing? John Kerry must hate children! Actually, it looks like it's Phil Parlock who hates children - see, this isn't the first time Mr. Parlock has made it into the papers after being "pounced on" at a Democratic rally. After he and his 12-year-old son Louis smuggled Bush signs into an Al Gore event back in 2000, Louis apparently hoisted a girl onto his shoulders. According to the Charleston Daily Mail, "'She walked up and said 'I'll get on your shoulders and hold a sign,' " Louis said. While she was sitting on Louis' shoulders waving a Bush-Cheney sign, a man who identified himself as a volunteer for the Gore campaign tried to pull the sign out of the girl's hands, Parlock said. He pulled so hard that Louis and the girl fell over. 'That sounds like an exaggeration,' said Sarah Feinberg, spokeswoman for Gore's West Virginia campaign." And - would you believe it - Parlock was a victim of nasty liberals at a Clinton campaign event back in 1996 as well! Again, according to the Charleston Daily Mail, "The Huntington man said he was knocked to the ground by a Clinton supporter when he tried to display a sign that read 'Remember Vince Foster' ... 'It must have been a strict Democrat who did this,' Parlock said." Yup, our Phil certainly has a habit of complaining to the media about Democratic "thuggery." Kinda makes you wonder why he took his young daughter to the event last week. But then, once you realize that Parlock appears to have a relationship with the photographer that snapped the above pic, and that the man wearing the union shirt holding the ripped up sign looks suspiciously like one of his sons, and that Parlock even happened to be around when his local Republican party headquarters were shot at by a unknown assailant ...well, it just kinda makes you think. Funny how our Phil always seems to end up in the wrong place at the wrong time - with the media in tow.
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I'm just sayin'.

Remember that Jack Abramoff guy?

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/01/06/wbABRAMOFF_narrowweb__300x354,0.jpg

The guy who "donated money to both Republicans AND Democrats"?

This is what the media in this country and the slick politicos in the Bush Crime Family do. Confusion, obfuscation, dirty tricks.

Just remember that the next time you see a story like this. Does it pass the smell test? This one is a stinker.



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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:39 PM
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1. Yes, but
the Capitol Police acknowledged that they removed Mrs Young.

Recently the police said they "screwed up" in "both" cases.

I'd say it actually happened.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #1
6. then the capitol police had damned well better explain why they
arrested cindy, but NOT the repuke's wife. they just opened themselves for a major lawsuit.
besides, do we know that anyone from the capitol police actually was the person who said this?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #6
13. Was she "wearing" the shirt or just "holding" it. I wanna know.
If she was holding it and not wearing it, then the story gets stranger, does it not?
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #6
72. They arrested Cindy AND
manhandled her badly enough to leave bruises.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #1
8. Surely a photographer caught the whole thing, right?
Was she WEARING the shirt?

Has that been 100% clarified that she was WEARING it?
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:46 PM
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14. Oh, yeah, the Capitol Police have no reason to lie here!
:rofl:

Oh, sorry. I just find your willingness to accept the word of the Capitol Police rather amusing. There is no one short of Rove with a better motive to lie about this than the Capitol Police. It covers their asses, it covers BushCo's ass, it offers deflections and sound bites for the morning news...it's perfect. I hadn't realized it until now, but OP is right...there is no actual record anywhere of Nelson's ejection, and the story didn't even surface until hours after Sheehan's story. After Rove's office realized their PR problem.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. Well, perhaps she was "holding" the shirt- which is also suspicious.
Edited on Wed Feb-01-06 08:49 PM by Dr Fate
I'd like to know the details.

If she was holding a shirt but not wearing it, then that means Rove could have handed it off to her once they knew Cindy was on the way.

Think "Ms. Alito's tears"
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #14
51. I'm not quite that jaded
yet....

I think it's more likely that the Capitol police leadership had their collective asses reamed by the White House and told to crack down on security...leadership, in turn, put the proverbial "fear of god" in the rank and file and they reacted like The Empire's Storm Troopers.

I heard Cindy's interview with Randi Rhodes this afternoon. Cindy said that the officer who arrested her didn't know who she was until she was out of the building and somebody said "Oh, that's Cindy Sheehan!" and then the officer started treating her with some respect. I trust Cindy's account....
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #14
93. how does it cover their asses?
They fucked up. They've said they fucked up. If only Cindy had been tossed, they probably would argue that they didn't fuck up. And the RW would be spinning this madly as Cindy the whack job disrupts the SOTU. I'm having trouble understanding this whole conspiracy. Was it all planned in advance:

Step 1. Let Cindy in
Step 2. Toss Cindy/arrest her
Step 3. Make up story about Congressman's wife
Step 4. Apologize publicly about how this was a fuck up.

If that was the conspiracy, exactly what was its point. Cindy and her shirt has gotten way more publicity the way this played out than ever would've been the case had she not been tossed. And the publicity has been generally favorable because she can't be marginalized if a Congressman's wife also got tossed.

If the Capitol Hill police were going to lie about something, wouldn't they have simply made up a story about Cindy being disruptive. Sure, there are witnesses who would dispute it, but the RW and the MSM would, at least initally, buy it and some doubt would linger on. Instead, you think they lied about a Congresswoman's wife? Again, if its a lie, there's the witness problem. If no one sitting in that part of the gallery saw her leave, what then?

No conspiracy. Just trigger happy (figuratively) cops worrying about protests disrupting the SOTU and overreacting. Would Beverly Young been confronted had Cindy not been tossed? Probably not. But that doesn't mean it didn't happen

onenote
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #1
27. The point, at least in part, is that she was not "ejected".
That's the media spin, and it is intended to neutralize the Cindy Sheehan story.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:40 PM
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2. glad you mentioned Parlock. I brought him up immediately this morn.
sounds so parlockian.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:40 PM
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3. Show me the photos!
I agree, just too convenient that no one else is able to corroborate this story.

Can you say propaganda?
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Sadie5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #3
12. What is this Young woman?
Some kind of flake or nut case. With the Repigs in power it would have certainly embarrassed her husband for his wife to wear a t-shirt at the SOTU. Unless he is on our side, then why???
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #12
16. When did Republicans start WEARING beachwear to SOTU speeches?
???
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:27 PM
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43. It's not like there wasn't ANY cameras in the building last night...
They had cameras from every network and plenty from the press... you'd think someone would notice and snap a picture. It's time for us to use the "If there's not a picture it didn't happen" excuse that the right loves to use.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #43
49. Surely a photographer nearby saw the guards confront her. n/t
n/t
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #49
95. she was in the gallery, why would there be a photographer there?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #43
94. and yet there's no video of Cindy either
There are still photos, but remember Cindy was hauled out before the speech began and there appears to have been at least one (as far as I can tell, there was only one) photog covering her arrival who apparently was still around when she was ejected. Young left during, and there was no reason for any still photographers to be in whatever part of the gallery she was in.

My point is that its not surprising that there's no photos of Young. Nor is it surprising that there is no video of Cindy -- the press wasn't focused on what was happening in the gallery (other than maybe one still photographer covering Cindy).

onenote

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:42 PM
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4. Remember when the media told us "Clinton vandalized the White house"
No photos of that were ever shown either- but all the networks reported it as fact.

This is a hoax, I'm almost certain of it.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:42 PM
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5. You raise what is definitely a reasonable doubt.
All we need is the testimony of the security officers who asked her to leave, and argued with her in the hall . . . and who is giving the orders here?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #5
11. I'd like to know if she was "wearing" or "holding" the shirt.
If she was just holding it, then it could have been handed to her by a Rove staffer once they knew Cindy was on the way.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #11
20. The congressman showed up with it at a news conference today
It was huge. And wrinkled.

Hard to believe his wife was wearing it the night before, unless she had a helluva after-speech party crawl.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #20
22. That only proves that pro-bush shirt exists in the vicinity...
...that does not prove she wore it on her back while in the Capital.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #22
28. It looked like he borrowed it from some Freeper
right before the press conference.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. see post #23 n/t
n/t
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:24 AM
Response to Reply #20
79. Very very interesting
Edited on Thu Feb-02-06 12:25 AM by FreedomAngel82
And Malloy just told how he was on the House floor yesterday "screaming" about his wife's "treatment" and saying "shame, shame!" but NOTHING about Cindy Sheehan. This was all a stunt I think. They didn't arrest her or anything bad (she even called the policeman an idiot) and they did Cindy and threw her in jail. It's very interesting how they seem so "upset" but yet have not filed any sort of suit but Cindy did asap. An Emailer to Malloy's show said she was taking off her jacket and they arrested her. They claimed it was a banner and lied about it.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #11
56. She just conveniently had another shirt on under the T-shirt?
:wtf:
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 10:39 PM
Response to Reply #56
66. I'm not sure what you mean- I have yet to see a pic of her in ANY shirt.
A pic of her IN the Capital, that is. All we have at this point are pics of the shirt form well after the "incident" allegedly occurred.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #66
68. I mean what kind of person wears something and expects it to be taken off?
Which is exactly what it sounds like to me. Either that, or it was given to her to put on over what she was already wearing.

Very peculiar situation. Could this be the "wrong font scandal" of the SOTU?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:20 AM
Response to Reply #68
78. I'm going to go out on a limb even further and offer another inference:
Edited on Thu Feb-02-06 12:25 AM by Dr Fate
Perhaps she was holding the shirt up or waving it, like a banner.

This would account for the early reports in the news that Sheehan was "waving a banner." Perhaps the media got the memes mixed up somehow.

Then she winds up putting the shirt on after the fact- when they interviewed her outside.

In my best Rumsfeld voice:

Am I crazy? Maybe so. Am I right? I don't know? Would I put an elaborate scheme like this past Rove? Probably not.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:27 AM
Response to Reply #56
80. And she went straight to the press after she was put out
This was planned. They were looking for this.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:43 PM
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7. No Way It Was Staged. Not Everything Is Staged For The Record.
Ok, Almost everything is, but not everything.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:28 AM
Response to Reply #7
81. Read through everything
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #81
89. Here's something that I doubt will surprise you. Another Bev encounter.
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:44 PM
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9. Great read. I usually don't read lengthy posts, but this is worth it. nt
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:45 PM
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10. when I wrote to cafferty, I pointed out that the very LEAST these morans
could do would be to doctor up some footage showing the repuke's wife wearing the shirt, and leaving. surely, with all the footage available, they should be able to come up with something that will at least convince the sheeples, even if the rest of us don't buy it.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:31 PM
Original message
Do they even have a photo of her empty seat in the gallery??
Surely that at a "Ticket Only" event, it would be noticeable.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:46 PM
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15. Doesn't Young (my fricking Congresscritter) look like a
televangelist with that hokey hairdo?
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #15
19. It's the tragedy of Republican hair.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #15
24. Conway Twitty comes to mind, too.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #24
106. You are right!
Edited on Thu Feb-02-06 08:36 PM by rzemanfl
Tried to post a pic but link didn't work.

Practically forgot this guy in my CRS state.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:29 AM
Response to Reply #15
82. Oh he does!
I was thinking about that too. LOL.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:48 PM
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17. Staged. Without a doubt.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #17
96. Not staged. Without a doubt.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:51 PM
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21. Where he is from is very important
Florida. Gov Jeb Bush. Baby Bush's brother.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:50 PM
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52. Well, that could cut both ways, though. People in FL tend to dress quite
casually. So that might explain the t-shirt.

But this is still a Congressman's wife. And this was a formal situation, not a political rally.

...Well, ok, it really is sort of a political rally, but you get my meaning.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #52
83. This is in Washington DC in the winter time
It's a lot colder there than it is in Florida. If you're from down here and used to a bit warmer weather than up there you aren't going to be in a freakin TShirt.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #52
84. I'm talking about why it was him for this
He's from the state of Jeb Bush and they could've gotten him to do this stunt.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:53 PM
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23. There was a video tape of her on CNN "The Situation Room
She did an interview after she was asked to leave. She admitted to cursing the cops. Said it wasn't intentional, it just slipped out. She was still wearing the shirt, and said she was willing to go back in "right now!"

I tried to find it on CNN & MSNBC sites, but I haven't found it yet. I watched the interview though. She doesn't appear to be your normal Pub!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #23
26. Okay- this is a start- where was the interview filmed?
Edited on Wed Feb-01-06 08:58 PM by Dr Fate
I want to see a photo of her wearing it IN the Capital- not a half hour later.

Was the shirt wrinkled or pressed?

I hope you are right- I'll gladly eat crow if you are.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #26
31. I don't know where it was. She was sitting down ,
and I didn't pay enough attention to notice what was behind her. It was definately inside some building though, and not outside. Sorry.

I'll keep looking. If it was on a TV show, it's got to be on a web site somewhere.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. We have photos of Sheehan in real time, in the Capital itself...
...so that means at least one camera caught the other disruption too-I'd like to see those pics.

Was she wearing it over another dress shirt, in your memory?

If so- then one could guess that she was "holding" the shirt while in the Capital- then put it on over her clothes later.

I'm thinking of the crying Ms. Alito in all of this.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #26
42. OK, I found a video.
This isn't the same one I saw on CNN, but it's a live interview broadcast by some TV station.

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=24776

Link to the video is under her picture.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #42
44. Still not a photo of her INSIDE the capital auditorium though.
I cant open the video link-does it appear that this shirt is being worn over another or not? Even so, how many minutes was this taken after she left the building?



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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #44
67. Watch Anderson Cooper 360 tonight if you can.
He has the same video on his program that I saw earlier on The Situation Room. I looked this time to try to tell where Ms. Young was during the interview. It was in an office of some kind, and during the interview, she said "I'll go back in there right now!" As she said that, she gestured with her hand toward the back of that room as if "back in there" was right over there.

I don't know if you'll recognize the room better than I could or not, but it's worth taking a look.

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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #42
55. Have you found any photos showing how she ordinarily dresses when she
Edited on Wed Feb-01-06 10:05 PM by Wordie
attends formal events like this one? I tried looking at the Congressman's website, but I'm on an ancient computer, and there are so many graphics on that site that my computer just hangs.

Here's a link to his site:
http://www.house.gov/young/

If you find anything, please let us know.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #42
57. Thanks for that link
It still doesn't show Beverly Young wearing one in the hall. And that one that Rep. Young pulls out in his floor statement looks like it came right out if a box.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #57
65. Plus, how many minutes later was this interview?
20? 30? 45? An hour? I'd like to know.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #23
32. Mystery solved.
That's pretty funny. I'll be on the lookout for that video.

Both women had a right to wear their t-shirts.

There is NOTHING more American than a t-shirt with an offensive slogan.

:-)

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #32
38. Not yet- see my follow up questions.
Edited on Wed Feb-01-06 09:13 PM by Dr Fate
A photo of her (that we still have not seen yet, BTW) wearing a shirt 30 minutes later is not the same thing.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #32
48. It does raise the idea of the "fashion police" to a whole new level. nt
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:57 PM
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25. A bit off topic, but Bill Young looks like a cross between..
Wayne Newton and Pat Robertson.

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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. LOL!
:toast:
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #25
58. I'm thinkin' Jimmy Swaggart, but hey.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:06 PM
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33. I was actually at the "Post Message" page when I saw your post.
Edited on Wed Feb-01-06 09:11 PM by Wordie
And since mine was going to be similar, I'll post a reply instead of starting a new thread. Here are a couple of suspicions that have been increasingly gnawing at me today.

The first has to do with the Congessman's wife, Beverly Young. My suspicions presume that she really was there, and was ejected, although I don't know if that really even matters, in the greater scheme of things. And here's what I want to know. Why was a Republican Congressman's wife wearing a t-shirt to the SOTU? Oh yeah, I know it was a patriotic t-shirt and all that. But this is a dress-up kinda situation, the most important political speech of the year, a formal affair. And this woman was thought of highly enough that she was seated only six rows away from Laura Bush. Surely the wife of a Congressman would not come to such an important gathering dressed so inappropriately, however much she might want to show her support of the troops.

The second thing is that I could swear that before the speech started, and before we heard that Cindy Sheehan had been arrested, I saw a post here that said that Cindy was planning to wear that t-shirt. (Note: this is in no way intended as a criticism of Sheehan, as I understand that the invitation, or at least her acceptance of it, was rather last minute and that she didn't have time to change anyway.)

So, thing I'm wondering is, were these two incidents connected by more than the fact that a t-shirt ostensibly was the thing that set them off?

Because if there were reports on DU that Cindy might be wearing that t-shirt, then there probably were reports elsewhere as well. So the WH may well have known ahead of time that she would wear it, and what would the WH do in such a case? I can't help but wonder if the "ejection" of the Congressman's wife was just a ruse, planned in advance. A way to mute the criticism of the arrest of Cindy for the t-shirt. A way to say, "See, we're fair. We eject all those wearing t-shirts with political messages on them."

Further, if the WH did know ahead of time, that raises more questions about the way the situation was handled. In order to avoid a scene, they could have also have simply said something to her host, or to Cindy herself, couldn't they? What I think is that they wanted the arrest to be a big deal. Look what happened last night. The SOTU finished and the spin started and what were all the people on the left doing? Were sending off emails and making phone calls? Writing LTTEs? No, we were totally distracted and upset about the Sheehan situation. (NOTE! I am not criticising either the left or Sheehan when I say this. An arrest for merely wearing a t-shirt is of course something to get very upset about and nobody should be arrested for making what is really a pretty mild protest.)

I just am saying that it appears to me that this effectively distracted us and muted the left's response to the SOTU. And that the Bush administration was the ultimate beneficiary of that.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #33
35. BINGO- The wife was HOLDING the shirt in her hands.
Edited on Wed Feb-01-06 09:09 PM by Dr Fate
Then she slipped it on OVER her dress clothes for the interview after the fact.

A Rove aid HANDED her that shirt when they realized Sheehan was coming.

At least that is my tin-foil take until I see the pics.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #33
36. With spying going on, we can only wonder what the Bushcon guys
will come up with .....
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #33
61. We're thinking alike on this one...
There are too many coincidences.

I am convinced that this was a way to mitigate the bad publicity for having Cindy Sheehan arrested.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #61
69. I know...the coincidences themselves are quite weird.
Edited on Wed Feb-01-06 10:50 PM by Wordie
But so is the way we both started to post these concerns at exactly the same time! LOL

I'd say your theory has a lot of merits. Mine is far more speculative: it's possible that the the Mrs. Young situation may even go farther than just an effort at mitigating the bad publicity for the arrest of Sheehan. It could be an effort to mitigate the anticipated bad publicity for the bad SOTU.speech!

Or at least distract the Dem's efforts to critique it effectively. Again, a lot of pure speculation here on my part. I suppose that whether it was intended by some Rovian person or not, a distraction is what the arrest of Sheehan still did manage to do. :(
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:10 PM
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37. Well, if her husband "held up her shirt standing in the well of the house
chamber", then she would have had to stand there in her bra, in front of the supreme court, guests, etc?
There would have been a photo of that.

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #37
40. I guess that is the only shirt she owns or something?
That only proves that a shirt exists somewhere in DC- that does not prove it was ON HER BACK while inside the Capital auditorium.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #37
62. No, you don't get it
Bill Young held the T-shirt up the next day.
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:12 PM
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39. Bill Young is my Congressman....
here in Pinellas County, Fl. (St Petersburg). He really looks after the elderly here regarding Social Security, VA affairs, medicare, etc. He also steers us our share of pork money- hate to see it, but we do seem to be always running behind in highway construction, bridge replacement, etc. Congressman Young is a fairly decent guy for a repuke, at least I can't think of any ethical, moral, or honesty lapses on his part.

His wife, Beverly, visits Walter Reed almost daily visiting wounded soldiers, bringing them DVDs and iPods, etc. She really cares about the troops, and does it by deeds, not just by words or magnetic decals. If I'm not mistaken, she may even be opposed to the Iraq War, which Young supports.

I don't know either Cong. Young or his wife personally, but I'm very sure that neither would be party to a Rovianesque staged event. Beverly Young was most assuredly wearing the t-shirt to honor the wounded troops she cares so much about, just as Cindy Sheehan was wearing her shirt to honor those killed. If this was a staged event, you can count on the Youngs knowing nothing about it.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. You may be right- but lets see the photgraphs.
Photographers caught Sheehan WEARING her shirt and being escorted out- surely they caught the other disruptive incident too- right?

I'll take your word for it when I see the photo of that shirt ON HER BACK while inside the Capital auditorium.
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #41
45. I'm not sure how "disruptive" her removal was
She was asked to leave the chamber, and she do so quietly. She then argued briefly with the capital police in the hallway outside the chamber, and then left. At least that's the story printed in today's SPT.

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #45
47. Show me the photos of her inside the Capital, and the mystery is solved.
Edited on Wed Feb-01-06 09:33 PM by Dr Fate
Surely some photographers saw her being confronted by guards.

They even yelled "PROTESTOR" when they saw Sheehan, according to reports.

I still find it hard to believe we have no photos yet- there were HUNDREDS of cameras there.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #47
50. And if those can't be found, I'd like to see some photos of her at some
other important state affair. Just to see how she is dressed. I still can't quite buy a Congressman's wife wearing a t-shirt to the SOTU.

I'm not certain of any of this; I'm just speculating. And the reason I'm speculating is that this has a certain Rovian smell to me.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #39
53. There would be pictures, esp. since Cindy had just been led out
The photographers would not have known who Mrs. Young was, so they most likely would've considered her to be a possible ally of Cindy, working in tandem with her 'protest'. They would certainly have snapped at least one picture.

Until they produce even one picture of Young wearing her shirt in the chamber last night, I call nonsense on this whole scenario.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #39
99. Oh yeah straight up people
Divorced and married his secretary. her name Beverly. Amazing huh? Just more fake ass loser repugs trying to act human. And when they try to act human it looks and feels so bizarre because it's fake.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:30 PM
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46. A TOTAL SETUP. But just like everything else with BushCo, no proof. nt
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 10:00 PM
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54. Yep. It stinks to high heaven!
Peace.
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RhodaGrits Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 10:16 PM
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59. YES -
I have been saying this all day since I saw the "bipartisan" t-shirt evictions. Show me the proof! I find it very hard to believe that the Congressman's wife was wearing that t-shirt and even more incredible is that no one noticed. No pics, no witnesses - just their story and spin. I'll believe it when I see something more concrete and not before.
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 10:19 PM
Response to Original message
60.  y'all should remove your tinfoil helmets, they're restricting the blood
Read about Beverly Young, Then decide if her ejection was "staged".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x301761
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #60
63. Okay, we get it. You like them.
They support the troops. Good for them. Bill Young brings home pork to your district. Good for you. So what? You sound like their campaign manager.

It doesn't explain how this became a story at all. No pics. No accounts.

How do you explain that?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #60
64. Even nice people can be wire-tapped & black-mailed.
How is that for a tin-foil hat?

You could very well be right- but I need photos. I've been "WMDed" and "Swiftboated" too many times by these crooks.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 11:05 AM
Response to Reply #64
100. Da Godfadder
called in a favor!
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 11:01 PM
Response to Reply #60
71. I am left thinking how alike she and Sheehan seem after reading that.
Edited on Wed Feb-01-06 11:45 PM by Wordie
They both seem totally committed and single minded. Says Marine Brig. Gen. John Kelly: "She can be a royal pain in the a-- - but only to people who don't care about the troops." (I see the similarity not necessarily in style, but in determination.)

Mrs. Young also seems a truly admirable person, but, and again I want to stress that I'm only speculating, aren't there a lot of gung-ho military types that just hate Sheehan, because they believe she is undermining the morale of the troops. I'm just wondering if her work - which is truly impressive - with all these young miltary guys combined with what apparently is quite a forceful and tenacious personality might be just the thing that might lead her to participate in something like a staged t-shirt ejection.

It would be interesting to find out what she thinks about Sheehan. Does she identify with her, as a mother of a young military man who was killed in duty? Or does she see her as a traitor, criticizing the Commander in Chief, and undermining the troops?

It wouldn't be the first time that gung-ho military supporters got involved in funny business directed at people coming from the left, advocating peace, after all. (I'm thinking Swifties here.)

But there's this too, which argues against the idea that she may be too gung-ho:
Beverly supported the Iraq war but now has qualms. She has seen too many soldiers and Marines blown up by improvised explosive devices, the bombs used by insurgents.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #71
91. Before you decide Bev is like Cindy, check out this eyewitness account
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 10:24 AM
Response to Reply #60
90. Talk about helmets, you might want to adjust your own.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #60
102. I read that. It reads like Soviet propaganda.
I read this, too. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x303952

I'm now more convinced than ever that it was staged and that she is 100% phony. Your thread helped. Thanks for posting it. A lot of people bought it; W.C Fields was right.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 11:00 PM
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70. Six rows away?
Edited on Wed Feb-01-06 11:01 PM by Stephanie

Was she asked to leave before Pickles arrived or after? How many rows of seats are there in the gallery? Where exactly was she sitting? Do all Congressmembers' spouses get to attend? That's like 600 people.

Here's the alleged shirt - very attractive. What did she wear with it, heels and a pencil skirt? Is that an extra-large?



Rep. Bill Young, R-Fla., holds up the 'Support the Troops' t-shirt on Capitol Hill, Wednesday, Feb. 1, 2006 that his wife wore during President Bush's State of the Union address that had her ejected from the gallery. Young said his wife was told she was removed from the gallery because 'she was a protester.' (AP Photo/Lauren Victoria Burke)

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060201/480/wx10202011839

And here Queen Bush greets the guests. Where's Beverly?









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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #70
88. Steve, I posted the photo of him holding the t-shirt above ^
It's quite ugly.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #88
103. Thanks for that. Wow.
I responded in your thread also.

Steve
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 11:09 PM
Response to Original message
73. This story broke at 6 a.m. this morning...
Not one news report anywhere for 9 hours and then it's all over the AP wires.


I think you're right, this is a stinker.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #73
74. To be fair, it seems to me I heard about it last night too.
I'm not certain, since last night was so strange that it all kind of blurs a bit, but I really think I did hear of it last night.
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #74
76. It just seems a bit too contrived but it is possible and hey...
who can blame us for being skeptical of NeoCons. After Gannon, is anything out of the question?
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #76
77. Yeah...
I keep stressing that I'm only speculating. There's just too much that is unknown to be able to judge effectively what's going on. I sure want to know more, though.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:33 AM
Response to Reply #76
85. They forged an entire war- this would be childs play after that.
n/t
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samhsarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 11:31 PM
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75. STEEEENKY for sure.
There isn't a single thing that Republicans tell the truth about. Not a single fucking thing.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:48 AM
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86. no congressman's wife would wear that T-shirt to SOTU
It's worn, wrinkled, and TOO BIG for a woman to wear for anything but cleaning the bathtub. NO Republican woman whose husband is a United States Representative would wear it to a public event at the Capitol. It didn't happen.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 02:30 AM
Response to Reply #86
87. If there was any one reason to doubt this story, that's it
That sure as hell would merit a picture at one of the most press-covered events in history.

I'm just sayin'.

This doesn't add up. No one can prove me wrong yet.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #86
97. How well do you know Bev Young?
Edited on Thu Feb-02-06 10:41 AM by onenote
I have a good friend who worked on Capitol Hill for 30 years, just retired last year. He knows the Youngs quite well and when I told him that she had reportedly been asked to leave the SOTU for wearing a t-shirt,he was not in the least surprised. Described her as quite a piece of work -- loud, foulmouthed, arrogant. (Which by the way is completely consistent with Binka's first hand experience with her)

onenote
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #86
101. Absofreakinlutely Right! nt
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 10:29 AM
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92. Steve See My Bev Young Story
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rpgamerd00d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 10:45 AM
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98. STAGED or NOT, it doesnt matter, it HELPS Cindy's Lawsuit
Case 1: Dave Delp (Republican)
Clintons Impeachment (not SOTU), wears shirt w/ political statement. Removed, NOT ARRESTED.

Case 2: Young's wife (Republican)
Bush SOTU 2006, wears shirt w/ political statement. Removed, NOT ARRESTED.

Case 3: Cindy Sheehan
Bush SOTU 2006, wears shirt w/ political statement. Removed, ARRESTED.

The issue has nothing to do with the Shirt. That part is CONSISTANT IN ALL CASES.

The INCONSISTANCY IS THE ARREST.

The ARREST is ILLEGAL.

That's the real issue.

So, Young's wife, FAKE or REAL, HELPS our (Cindy's) case.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:36 PM
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104. A congressman's wife dressed like that in front row would have gotten
some cameraman's attention, if just for filler material in an article somewhere. Can't believe no one would have taken a picture of the contrast - everyone else was dressed to the nine's
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 05:09 PM
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105. Pic here.
Edited on Thu Feb-02-06 05:12 PM by hippywife
There is an AP pic of Cindy being obviously hustled out before the speech and one that says it's a Roll Call pic of Young leaving 15 minutes into the speech. It is in the Capitol but there is no one else in the pic that was involved in the alleged incident and I really can't see Bush at the podium at this point. He might be but it's too hard to tell.

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/02/02/Worldandnation/Tempest_in_a_T_shirt_.shtml
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 08:40 PM
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107. Randi seemed to buy that the Congressman's wife was legit
and figured that Bush is scared of angry women in tshirts.

Other reports on the board say that this woman is loud, obnoxious, clueless, and may only THINK she's supporting the troops when she's really bullrushing them.

That said, she's also written angry letters to Bush and pushed for legislation in Congress that her hubby was in a position to get passed, re: donations for the troops.

I don't care who you are, Bush hates to be scolded by ANYONE.

So I think Mrs. Young is both a clueless bitch AND that she could also have been targetted on purpose for being a thorn in Bush's side.
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108. I'm truly leaning
Edited on Fri Feb-03-06 04:40 AM by hippywife
towards the very real possibility that her being asked to leave was a CYA move by the police.
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