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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:26 PM
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Lessons From A Little Night Demonstration. Did I go too far?
Showed up at the World Can't Wait demonstration during the SOTU at 16th and Broadway in Sacramento. I made a giant sign (see below). Made friends with an ACLU guy who was there, very nice man, well-read, thoughtful. He was a little uncomfortable with my message. I explained that I was an Abbie Hoffman Democrat, that I don't believe the protests were changing anyone's mind, and that I was there to speak truth and vent a little, so I don't go crazy. I suggested that a little shock value might crack a right-wing shell or two. He seemed to understand, offering up a statement suggesting that perhaps the time to be 'reasonable' had come and gone.

Later, a woman crossed the street from another corner of the protest. She asked me if I thought my sign was inflammatory, and counterproductive to the general cause. I explained myself again, but was met with flat disagreement. It made me contemplate my actions. Later, on a round-the-corners walk with the ACLU guy, the woman's partner made a cutting remark. "Are you crossing at the next light?", she asked. "Yes", I replied. "Good", she said, in a very, very nasty tone. Sheeesh.

I got a lot of honks, thumbs-up, and just a few middle fingers and 'FU's' -- it felt good just to be out there, holding down the reality island. Some very drunk, toothless man drove by shouting "F-UCK 'EM ALLLLL!!" One truck with a man and his seventeen-year-old son pulled up to the light and rolled down the window. "You're callin' me a gangster?", he said. The ACLU guy broke in. "Why are you a Republican?", he asked. The guy in the truck smiled. "No Taxes!", he said.

I responded. "No taxes, no teachers, no roads, no cops, no hospitals, no military, no nothing -- let's all get guns and shoot each other, and let the strongest man rule! Whooooo!" The guy in the truck rolled up his window and drove on. A few minutes later, I watched the man and his son cross the street, coming toward the island. The son had his hood pulled over his face and was in a slouch that made it clear this wasn't his idea. The man glowered at me, and I met his gaze. I was at least a foot taller than him -- he seemed to size me up, and decide against a confrontation. They continued on and disappeared.

A little later, I saw the woman and her partner across the street talking to other protesters. They seemed to be looking at me disapprovingly -- maybe I was paranoid, but I don't think so. The event left me feeling a little concerned. Had I gone too far with the sign? I'm an electronic election reform person -- that's my issue. Without verifiable voting, I don't think democracy works. I see it as a bottleneck affecting all other issues. I believe my message is factually correct -- but was the woman right? The sign says "Means", not "Are" -- I mean to say that the word 'Republican' is becoming synonymous with 'Gangster'. That's what the word means to me, now -- and it didn't necessarily mean that before the 2004 election. But they've gone so far, and been so radically dangerous to the very foundations of America -- did I go too far? Is it saying too much? Does reasonable logic really mean anything anymore, or are we really supposed to keep trying to maintain a one-sided dialog? I'm asking.






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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:28 PM
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1. Too far? No, it was just right.
I've been waiting and waiting and waiting for one of these investigatory bodies to use that "R" word, "racketeering." The RNC is overdue for RICO charges for election tampering as well as institutionalized bribery, money laundering, and embezzling. The corruption goes so deeply within that party that I doubt they'll ever find it all.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:29 PM
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2. Considering mine would have said "fuck Repukes"
No.


Depends on how organized and if there was to be theme in the protest.

Who cares if they're offended?
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democrat_patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:30 PM
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3. Seems like a correct statement to me.

Republican Means gangster. yep.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:32 PM
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4. Not by a longshot
Pretty tame compared to how bad they really are.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:33 PM
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5. While they are comparing Democrats to Terrorists?
You should of just put Republicans are gansters. They work as a mob to steal the very life's bread from your table.....
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:36 PM
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9. Yep
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:34 PM
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6. Anyone fretting that a sign reading "Republican Means Gangster"...
... is too provocative and swoon-inducing to their delicate sensibilities... is a member of the Grima Wormtongue wing of the party and as such should be ignored.

Jeez. If that phrase is too harsh, then we ought to forget protests and organize teddy-bear tea parties instead.

:eyes:

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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:35 PM
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7. The truth may ruffle a few feathers--so what?
Republican=Liar might not pack the same punch, although it does get me a lot of thumbs up-or maybe they just had short fingers...

Good sign-cogent, straight to the point, timely and truthful!
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:36 PM
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8. too far, and not far enough
Mine would have been "Is it fascism yet?"
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:37 PM
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10. I have no problems with it.
Any Republican who is still sticking by the mobsters in office have a severe character flaw.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:43 PM
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11. What did their signs say?
What message were they trying to get across?

If you were speaking your truth, then your sign was just right. If they found it distasteful, that is their problem.
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:47 PM
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13. I couldn't read theirs. 8-1/2 by 11 hand lettering.
The World Can't Wait signs were powerful, but green and unreadable from ten feet away. Mine stuck out like the proverbial thumb.
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Epiphany4z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:47 PM
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12. steal this post.....
lol...ahh I wouldn't worry about it I think there is room for you. Face it some or maybe most of them are gangsters. Jeeze read the chapter on Delay in AL Frankins new book....you come with no other word for the man.
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:52 PM
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14. Nah, you were right on target!!!
I'm sure you ruffled some feathers, but inflammatory? No way.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 05:41 PM
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15. You would have been right at home in San Francisco
Apparently people are stricken with the "we have to be nice" disease in Sacto.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 05:45 PM
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16. Too far? I thought it was pretty MILD!
From your intro statements, I thought it was going to be a "death wish for certain Repukes." THAT might have been going a bit too far. Your sign was right on the money ... ahem.

Bake
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