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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:30 PM
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I think if religious people had thier way, we'd extend tolerance and love to Gays in this country.
And those few that may want to see gays executed, it's hard for me to consider them religous.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:32 PM
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1. Do you make a living out of making provocative, false statements?
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 12:34 PM by Flabbergasted
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 07:29 AM
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99. No, it's just his hobby here at DU. nm
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:32 PM
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2. This is as much BS as the OP it is a copycat of. nt.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:33 PM
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yeah tell em troll. tell em.
:P
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:42 PM
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15. I'm tempted to start my own thread now. nt.
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 05:33 AM
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171. It has, however, successfully proven
that no mention of religion can pass here without a herd of hyperbolic, hair-pulling banshees descending upon said thread to remind us all that religion is bad. It's downright Pavlovian.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:32 PM
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3. Does tolerance include gay rights? The right to marry?
Or does tolerance only include "we'll let you do what you like without chopping off your head, but we don't feel that we need to extend legal rights to you"
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:11 PM
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69. Depends on the faith
For my own faith, that includes the right to marry the person of your choice (subject to the usual stuff involving age and consent), adopt kids and so on. Essentially, it amounts to placing no more constraints on your happiness than are absolutely necessary.
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:47 PM
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151. People in my
church support the right of gays including the right to marry. As with any organization there are a few dimwits but most people are sane.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:33 PM
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4. what bullshit.
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:38 PM
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12. Religous people are good people, by and large
And in this matter more compassionate than they've been painted here.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:39 PM
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13. umm yeah, this is why theocracies are such examples of love peace and kindess
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:46 PM
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18. "In this country" - America
Not a theocracy.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:48 PM
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21. this is what you said 'Religous people are good people, by and large'
so let me get this right, ONLY AMERICAN Religous people are good people?
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:52 PM
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29. I was refering to religous people in America
not in countries like Ahmadinejad's Iran. Just to clarify.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:53 PM
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30. so only american religious people are good, the rest are crappy.
nice one!!!

:eyes:
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:54 PM
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31. Didn't say that
But if you want to discuss treatment of gays in countries like Ahmadinejad's Iran, feel free. :)
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:55 PM
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33. as i said on gd before, america's slogan should be "we could be much worse"
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:56 PM
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36. hey...don't be bashing America. nt.
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:57 PM
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39. Yes, much worse
like Ahmadinejad's Iran.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:58 PM
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44. ok so irans worse. no one is denying that. how is that related to goodness of american religious
folk?
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:00 PM
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49. Somebody brought it up
Post 13, I believe.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:00 PM
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50. you did. not post 13.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 05:36 AM
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183. Is your hatred of religious people, as a group, any more justifiable?
BTW, you do such a terrible job of debating here that you help the opposite cause.

Maybe it allows some personal venting, but it does nothing to convince or persuade.

Lets me know your ideal regime would be no better, and would probably burn the believers at the stake and do everything to them that you claim they do to you.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 07:38 PM
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190. i dont hate religious people as a group. and no my ideal regime wouldnt burn anybody
:eyes:

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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:58 PM
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43. As long as we're two degrees above absolute shit we're great!
Whee!
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:54 PM
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32. LOL
Good catch! :thumbsup:
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 05:28 AM
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170. Why are you offended by that? You agree with half of it.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:10 AM
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133. So a religious Iranian is not a "good person"?
Like these people, holding a candlelight vigil in sympathy for the victims of 9/11?



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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:40 PM
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14. Really? Then why is it that just about the only reason people give as to why gay marriage should
NOT be allowed a religious reason?
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:48 PM
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20. It's thier religous belief, for many
That doesn't negate thier tolerance and love of gays.

Many Democrats oppose same-sex marriage, BTW.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:50 PM
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24. They oppose it because of their RELIGIOUS BELIEFS!
And sorry, allowing gays to LEGALLY marry has nothing to do with religion. Hence, you cannot be "tolerant" and "loving" of gays and vote against their right to LEGALLY marry. That doesn't mean your church has to marry them. Just the courts.
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PDenton Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:59 PM
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47. hmm...
.. just try and be open minded for a minute.

Suppose you worship God according to a particular Christian understanding. God commands you to treat everybody with a certain amount of dignity and respect. But suppose also that God says that certain sexual acts are wrong and/or marriage is only between one man and one woman. Can you not see some nuance there? A Christian may believe both that marriage is between only 1 man and one woman, and also that gays should not be the target of violence. It might seem contradictory, but that is because you do not share their faith. Religion is ultimately about a leap of faith, the idea that there is some kind of revealed truth apart from natural observation. Some people can't deal with that, I guess...
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:02 PM
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Yeah, and religion also says that women should be subordinate to men
Does that mean we should make law on that belief? There is a difference between LEGAL and MORAL. If you think that gays shouldn't marry, fine. Don't get married if you are gay! However, your beliefs have NOTHING to do with the law.
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PDenton Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:11 PM
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67.  I'm not sure a persons religious beliefs
should never impact their positions on policy. I think that would be very unfair to religious people.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:26 AM
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116. but that's not true
You say, "A Christian may believe ... that marriage is between only 1 man and one woman." But that person would be wrong. Same-sex couples are already getting married in a number of places around the world.

And no gods have come forward to object.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:05 AM
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:34 PM
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148. just as long as they don't do that icky same sex - homosexhul - marriage girlyboy bikerdyky thingy.
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 02:35 PM by TankLV
umm sure...
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PDenton Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:55 PM
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34. It's a big stretch
to go from banning gay marriage to executing gays.

Please see the grey in this. Not everything is black and white. Just becaues you personally don't agree with somebody, doesn't make them as evil whatever bogieman you are thinking of.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:56 PM
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38. The OP is not about executing gays, it says that there would be love and tolerance
for gays. That entails more than just "not executing them".
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PDenton Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:01 PM
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51. fair enough
I guess it depends on what you mean by "love and toleance". See my other response above.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:42 PM
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150. whew - that make is OK then...
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 02:44 PM by TankLV
as long as we're not executed then - maybe a little spanking then...a tap on the butt - nice round butts

how about nipples? is squeezing nipples OK?...

at least executions are out - for now - ...

what about prison? is prison SEX - ok - SEX - what kinda PUNISHMENT should we do - SEX - ...

jailsex mansexsheepanimals WHIPS AND CHAINS!!!

all that girlyboymansex butchdyke motorcycleleatherchaps HARNESSES...!!!!
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:39 PM
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149. not really - its just one small step...
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 02:39 PM by TankLV
all it needs is a "gentle" push towards more and more brutality...

if it weren't for all that in-your-face girlyboy butchdyke kissy thingy in public - icky - THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!! HELP!!! SAVE US FROM BECOMMING GAY!!!...

I'm all better now - lost it for a moment...girlyboymansex butchdykemotorcycles leatherchaps...DISCOBALLS!!!! auuughhhh!!!!
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varun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:03 PM
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55. are they against DADT?
Are they voting for ENDA (employment non discrimination act)?

Are they voting for Hate Crimes legislation?

Are they voting in fovor of gay marriage?
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:16 AM
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101. Following the upheaval in the Episcopal Church much?
The Episcopalians are among the most tolerant (arguably UNinterested)
bunch of religionists in this country, and after making an admirable
stab at inclusion, are back-peddling as fast as they can.

Simple observation is not "painting", you know....
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:18 AM
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102. I don't disagree with you.
ALL people are good, "by and large".
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:45 AM
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122. Religious people account for more death and torture than all the other people added together.
There has been more death, torture and bigotry done at the hands of 'religious' people than at the hands of all the atheists in the history of the world.

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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 05:26 AM
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180. When you account for the deaths in the Soviet Union
That pretty much evens that out.

Cruelty is a human trait; it exists apart from religion.

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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 01:49 PM
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193. And atheists are bad people, by and large?
That seems to be the obvious parallel you're drawing. Unless, of course, you meant to say that "All people are good people, by and large."

Torquemada may disagree. :rofl:
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:33 PM
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5. You mean religious people do NOT get their way?
So either religious people hate gays, or remain prefer to remain silent and let extremists speak for them.
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StrongBad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:37 PM
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9. I think it's more a matter that most religious people dont want to politicize what they believe.
n/t
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:33 PM
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6. I think you may be confusing spirituality with religion
Everyone I have ever known who is deeply spiritual, is also loving, tolerant, and compaasionate.

Religion can exist without spirituality and vice versa.
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:37 PM
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10. A fair point
I was pointing out that my experience and perception of religous people is they are tolerant and loving of gays.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:44 PM
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16. and my experience is : not so much.
and i can prove it to you by the number of churces, temples, mosques and synagogues willing to perform same sex weddings.
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:50 PM
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23. Tolerance and love
is distinct from legal acceptance of gay marriage.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:51 PM
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27. i am not talking legality. you can perform a same sex wedding without it having any state/fed rights
and very few churches, mosques and temples are willign to do that.
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:56 PM
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37. As is thier right
But it doesn't mean they don't tolerate and love gays. Most do.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:57 PM
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41. but not as much as they love/tolerate straights?
:eyes:

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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:12 PM
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70. Which Religions Would Those Be?
Out of sheer curiosity, which religions, with self-described religious congregants, are tolerant and loving of gays?
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:48 PM
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152. except for all that SEX part...
as long as we all KEEP OUR HANDS OUT IN THE OPEN and DON'T TOUCH EACH OTHER - heaven forbid...

at least we're not being executed - just called SINNERS - SEX - SINNERS! REPENT! but I love the gays...and am so TOLERANT of them all - let's just PUT THEM IN A SPECIAL PLACE - for their own "protection" you know - we won't EXECUTE them afte all - we're TOLERANT you see...SEX...
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:49 AM
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125. That is EXACTLY what I was going to say. There is a lot of 'religion' without spirituality. n/t
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 11:10 AM
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186. I agree, KW.
:thumbsup:

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:33 PM
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7. Your statement
seems to draw a false distinction between religious people and gays.
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:39 PM
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166. It does seem to that. But the OP was just trying to be nice and got
blindsided by the over-sensitive wanna-be-bashers here. Some people don't know how to tell who their friends really are.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 05:28 AM
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181. So true!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:36 PM
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8. Define what you mean by "if religious people had their way", please.
Is your implication that religious people DON'T have their way, right now?

And if they don't, who does???

Please tell me you're not floating that tired old bullshit saw about how people who are religious are inherently more moral than people who aren't.
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:02 PM
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52. To a great extent, they do
And that influence is felt in the denial of gayy marriage for example. But they don't have absolute control.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:37 PM
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96. You didn't answer my question, though:Are you trying to say that religious people are inherently
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 02:39 PM by impeachdubya
more moral than non-religious people?

Also, the thread this is presumably written in response to clearly contains the phrase "Religious Right". We are constantly hectored to remember that the Religious Right does not speak for all religious people, but the phrasing of your OP seems to say that they do- because the implication is that criticism of the "Religious Right" = criticism of the "Religious".

Get it?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:38 PM
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:46 PM
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17. Ahh, I see. It's the Atheists that are the homophobes...
got it. Thanks for clearing that up.

Sid
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:47 PM
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19. yeah we are such bastards/
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:49 PM
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22. many are. nt.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:59 PM
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48. And so are many religious...nt
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 01:00 PM by SidDithers
Sid

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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:06 PM
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59. no disagreemnent there. nt.
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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:42 AM
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138. I may not be religious.....
but I am more spiritual than 95% of people I know. By not relying on a deity to tell me what to think, I have had to find my own way on this earth. I have come to realize the connection between us all and how what I do to one has a ripple effect on many. I know that I may like to lash out at someone who has made me mad but if I do they may get upset and take it out on those around them. Thus my actions can effect those who I do not even know. Only a psychopath would want to purposely hurt those they do not know and therefore I live by the motto of 'do no harm'.

Living this way has also taught me that I have to concentrate on myself and my own actions. Trying to take away the right of gays to be in a legal committed loving relationship means me trying to have control over them and I am not a deity so I have no right to try and control them. Live and let live. The world has enough violence, it is down a few quarts on love. Why would we want to try and inhibit such a positive thing?
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 01:51 PM
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194. What percentage, exactly?
Would you say that it's a higher or lower percentage than Christians?
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:10 PM
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97. Yep
We're the ones leading the charge to ban gay marriage, prevent ENDA from passing, eradicate what gay rights do exist and even "turn gays straight" via psychologically and spiritually harmful programs (or worse). I hate those freaking atheists!
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:50 PM
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25. You are the judge of what constitutes "religious"?
How does one define that? Because many people who call themselves religious want to pass laws that discriminate against gays.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:50 PM
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26. Then why haven't they? Why is it that every major religion is anti-gay?
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:52 PM
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28. Don't hold your breath waiting for recommendations on this thread...
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:55 PM
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35. You have got to be kidding yourself
if you really believe that.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 07:34 AM
Response to Reply #35
100. No...
...he thinks he's kidding US.

Or, more likely, he knows damn well that
he's not fooling anyone, but gets a kick
out of this type of "just-inside-the-rules"
bullshit post. Lord knows, it's his favorite
type.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:57 PM
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40. on a side note...what exactly is tolerance?
like...you're not normal, but we tolerate your existence?
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:58 PM
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45. Apparently it means they don't lock you up and execute you.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #40
46. tolerance is apparanly the lack of hanging in public squares. so long as we arent doing that
we are loving and tolerating.
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PDenton Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #40
56. Tolerance doen't mean acceptance or affirmation
There are many things I'll tolerate, and I'm sure you would too, that you or I wouldn't engage in or condone. Some people merely tolerate NASCAR, for instance (to bring up a favorite idle whipping boy).
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:05 PM
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57.  You're comparing tolerance of a sport...to the acceptance of legal rights.
Outstanding.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #56
58. so we should tolerate gays in the same way we tolerate a crappy sport?
good one.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #58
154. EXACTLY! don't you people get it?!?! They're really NICE people!!!
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 02:54 PM by TankLV
they TOLERATE us - like a spoiled child yelling and screaming in public - or dog fucking on the sidewalk IN PLAIN SIGHT - SEX!!!

EEEEKKKK!!!

They can't stop thinking of what we're all DOING - SEX - all the time - SEX - EVERYWHERE SEX - with EACH OTHER!

SEX!!!!!

But they are willing to "tolerate" us all!!!

SEX!!!!!
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #56
61. do you think gay people or nascar fans need you to condone them?
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PDenton Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:13 PM
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71. no... but there seems to be a cult of affirmation
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 01:14 PM by PDenton
I'm saying relative to Iran, the US tolerates gays, it has for a long, long time. Yes, there is homophobia in the US and places where it might not be as safe as being straight, but on the whole people in the US are pretty tolerant, even in deep red states. Maybe they don't buy into every bit of gay rights but that is a far cry from saying "OMG they'd execute people in a minute if they could".
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #71
72. "Maybe they don't buy into every bit of gay rights"
now we are a marketing ploy?


:eyes:
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:16 PM
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75. I tolerate blacks, I just don't think they should share the same stuff as whites or vote
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 01:17 PM by SemiCharmedQuark
But I'm very loving and tolerant of them. O8) A black guy once sat across the bus from me and I didn't lynch 'em or nuthin'
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #75
76. excellent!!! i mean we dont have to buy their whole point about equality now do we?
:hi:
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #76
82. "Tolerance doen't mean acceptance or affirmation"
:hi:

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PDenton Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #75
85. that's a strawman
but I'm sure you already know that. Nobody has said that it is a widespread belief that gays should be denied the vote.

And besides... whites and blacks don't share the same stuff. I don't use Activator... and according to Chris Rock, black people don't use mayonnaise. LOL
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 07:23 AM
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98. thats not a strawman. gays and straights dont enjoy the same rights.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:58 AM
Response to Reply #85
104. It's hardly a strawman. It's a clear, direct comparison.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #75
156. WOW!
That's really NICE of you!!!

Why can't people see that!!!

SEX!!!!


MANONMAN SEX!!!

GIRLSKISSINGIRLSANDTOUCHINGEACHOTHER - THAT'S HOT!!!!!
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #72
155. manonman SEX!!! EEEEK!!! but they could watch girlongirlsex - THAT'S HOT!!!!!
eeeeekkkkkk!!!!
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #72
192. sadly that might be a better way to change people's negative attitudes...
This is somewhat off track, but I've always wondered why folks just can't see gay marriage as no different than any other marriage, performed in whatever setting. It shouldn't make any difference. There is also all that money to be made from weddings....

iI's also interesting that when I was younger, no one wanted to get married - my straight friends, my gay friends and my bi friends. People thought marriage was very uncool.

And now it is the focus of so much anger and frustration.


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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #71
77. Gay rights? Guess what, gay people are---people and they are entitled to the same rights
as any other person so there ain't no "They don't buy into every bit of gay rights".
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #77
79. i guess my brilliant marketing has atleast worked on you.
:hi:

this entire thread borders on the insane.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #79
81. indeed! Plastics are the future young lady and i think you have one helluva
a future in the ad game!
this thread is so wrong on so many levels.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #71
87. your use of the word tolerance is bigoted and offensive.
I believe this is the same way the OP is using it.

Once again, I am completely not surprised at what I read here.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:26 PM
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89. ...
:thumbsup: i knew there was a good reason i endorsed you
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:28 PM
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90. thank you for your tolerance. nt.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:06 AM
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105. Indeed.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #56
189. Uh oh. Looks like this one got TS'd.
I'm gonna grab a slice of pizza.:party:
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:57 PM
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42. No True Scotsman n/t
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:34 AM
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119. The eternal defense.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:02 PM
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53. um what? Aren't you the same person that wants to bomb Iran and now you're
speaking about tolerance?
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #53
62. Nope
I hope it can be avoided. A more level approach, like that of Hillary or Obama, is what's needed.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:09 PM
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64. right uh huh sure.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:50 AM
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126. Of course. It's all the World's Most Obvious Facade.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:02 PM
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54. You aren't from my part of the country, are you?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:06 PM
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60. Looks like somebody is bored.
:eyes:
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:08 PM
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63. Depends on the religion and the believer
Something I've learned: The mediocre man may be made better or worse by faith but the asshole will always practice his faith in a way that allows him to remain an asshole.

My own faith (Luciferianism) has no problem with gay people (full disclosure: I am personally bisexual). I'm an ordained minister and I'll happily marry any two people who want to be married. Might not be legal (yet although here in Britain, it's not legal for gay or straight people until you fill in the paperwork) but I'll happily perform the ceremony, do naming ceremonies for gay couples and their kids, all the usual functions of a minister.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:10 PM
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65. Yes, religions have ALWAYS been a beacon of understanding
and love and tolerance of those different than themselves.

and incase you are completely dense :sarcasm:
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:11 PM
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66. That's not true
I mean, if their idea of tolerance is the "ex-gay" movement, where gay and lesbian people are "sick" and need to be "cured" of their homosexuality, which is what a lot of religious people desire, then that's a weird idea of "tolerance and love"
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:11 PM
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68. the op is describing tolerance only by the lack of imprisonment and killing
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:14 PM
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73. Nope.
Read again.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #73
74. read what you have to say yourself and your idiotic circular arguments
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 01:16 PM by lionesspriyanka
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #74
78. Go right up to post 1
and slowly work your way down.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #78
80. you know what i saw the message board you started and after reading your posts
here i can understand why your board failed.
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:23 PM
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83. Link or cached page?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #83
84. check your pm ok?
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #84
86. Can I get in
on the secret? :)
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #86
88. sorry dude, i'm not religious so i don't have to tolerate you or your flamefests any longer.
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #84
93. Got it.
Thanks.

It's 'Tool Time' with the Z man! That didn't last too long, did it?
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:48 AM
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124. So, if you don't imprison and torture somebody for something you disagree with, you are tolerant?
I really think you need to check the definition of tolerant.

And HELLO, there are gays killed all over the world every day by 'religious' people. I bet those guys that beat Matthew Shephard to death were good god-fearin' boys.

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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 05:35 AM
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172. That was the other thread's standard, actually.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 05:30 AM
Response to Reply #66
182. You're holding all religious people responsible for the view of
some of them.

The intolerance seems to be of religious people. The fundies are nuts, that is true, but the fundies aren't the only religious people.

Like any other group of people, it's not fair to judge the entire group. If you don't want it done to gays, why do it to religious people? Some gay people are religious, so where do you place them?
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:28 PM
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91. "..those few": Few? They carried the election for Bush** twice on hatred and
are winding up to do it again. Looks like "most" to me.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:28 PM
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92. The religious people want to make this country & the world a better place.
On the other hand, the "religious" people want to turn America into Iran.
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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:46 PM
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94. you're begging for this shit
enjoy your stay here....so sad that so many duers take your bait...

*sigh*

meanwhile, jena burns
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:47 PM
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95. Religious is too broad a term here...
You would have to specify WHICH religions would be "tolerant" and which wouldn't, it varies by religion, after all. I imagine if Fundamentalist Christians had their way, then GLBT people wouldn't be "seen" in society at all, the exact punishment they would have to suffer depends on specific sects who beliefs become law, but it would vary from locking them up to executing them. Not much different from Iran, to point out the obvious.

Same for most of the other 5 major world religions, IF allowed to codify religious beliefs into law. Then there are liberal religious sects who are accepting of GLBT people, and, not to put too fine a point on it, don't want a theocracy either. In fact, for some, the most important thing is equal rights for all, not whether its their religious beliefs that get accepted.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:54 AM
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103. The MLK avatar is a nice touch, btw.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:07 AM
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106. ..
:thumbsup:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #106
107. Aren't we LUCKY not to have been rounded up by now?
What a tolerant country! :silly:
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #107
108. well they just have to 'tolerate us'....and so long as we are a few steps above iran
we are just fine and dandy
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:15 AM
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109. I credit the religious people for looking out for us.
Yeah, that's the ticket.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:17 AM
Response to Reply #109
110. you know the same people who have the 2 lines from leviticus tattooed on their brain
those are the people we shoudl entrust our life and well being to
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:06 PM
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178. Hey!
Don't make me come over there and "tolerate" you!
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 05:38 AM
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174. Shouldn't you be trolling MySpace for cannon fodder?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #103
127. Good thing she/he made a "support the troops" thread - else she/he'd have trouble..
... getting anyone to believe anything. Hard to build cred, when you don't believe in any of the things your audience does.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:02 AM
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128. !
:popcorn:
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NoFederales Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:19 AM
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111. All religion is poison, it doesn't matter whom you believe to be
religious or not.

NoFederales
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:47 AM
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112. I can't find this
I can't find this tolerant religion you speak of. I was raised Roman Catholic, I didn't find them very tolerant of differing points of view. My relatives are Fundamentalists, they aren't a bit tolerant of homosexuality. Which branch of Christianity is tolerant of homosexuals? If they aren't in favor of basic civil rights for gays just what do they consider tolerance and love? It's all a bunch of bullshit. I can see the day when "The Religious" will advocate the arrest of those suspected of being gay. Kind of like in Salem.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #112
113. well look upthread: i think by 'tolerance' they mean 'not killing, imprisoning or maiming"
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NoFederales Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:27 AM
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136. Is your post for the original OP? Mine is contrary: Religion is poison. nt
NoFederales
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:16 AM
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114. Hehehe, 115 replies and only 1 rec...
now THAT is the sign of a quality OP.

Sid
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:22 AM
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115. Riiiiiiiiiight.
You know, there's nothing that Southern Baptists, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses and hardcore Catholics like better than equal rights for gay people. :rofl:
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:28 AM
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117. I hate to tell you this but...
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 10:35 AM by youthere
I suspect that religious "tolerance" and "love" means precisely jack shit to most of the gay community. You want to make a difference to the gay community? Then make damn sure that they are afforded the same basic rights that any other HETERO individual in this country takes for granted. They are entitled to share their lives, or their bed or their finances with any consenting adult they choose-just like every heterosexual can. Make damn sure they can walk down the street without being harassed or attacked. Let them make financial and medical decisions with and for each other as they see fit without question or judgment.
My basic human rights are not dependent on the "love" and "tolerance" of the gay community,the religious community,or any other community so why should it be different for homosexuals?
Homosexuals deserve the same rights I enjoy, and not because religious people are "gracious" enough to bestow their "love" "tolerance" toward the gay community...they deserve it because they are human beings and as citizens of this country and are entitled to it-just like me. I'm sorry but it isn't enough to be "tolerated" and still be denied rights. That's just not good enough.

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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:32 AM
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118. but religious people do have their way
How many elected officials can you name who *aren't* members of a religion?
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:35 AM
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120. EXACTLY.
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TheUniverse Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:10 AM
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134. Jesse Ventura.... A congressman in california... Thats about it.
Politicians, no matter how progressive they are have to pretend to be religious. Thats why Russert asked the favorite bible quote question at the debate. I am sure there are many atheists in both parties who will not admit it because of the potential backlash.
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Rob H. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:41 AM
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121. Clearly you don't live near a Southern Baptist megachurch
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 10:54 AM by Rob H.
I do, and I've lived in the south for a long time and can assure you that a lot of Southern Baptists would sooner be dragged over carpet tacks and dipped in rubbing alcohol every day for a year than knowingly do anything good for the GLBT community. The pastor of the biggest local SB megachurch thinks that there is literally no such thing as gay or lesbian people, just straight people who've been led astray by temptation (or Satan, take your pick). He also thinks homosexuality can be "cured" through counseling and prayer. I heard him say so myself.

I have a friend who goes there and she's otherwise very reasonable and has had gay and lesbian friends over the years, but last year she admitted to me that she regretted that she'd moved to this state and missed the deadline to register to vote here because she wanted to vote just so she could vote in favor of amending the state constitution to make same-sex marriage unconstitutional. The irony is, she and her current boyfriend have both been married before so neither of them is exactly a poster child for how marriage should work.

I have no doubt that all the people who attend that megachurch consider themselves good Christians, despite their pastor constantly telling them that no matter how good they are, deep down they're all a bunch of dirty sinners who are going to burn in hell for eternity unless they give their lives over to Jesus. They may even tell themselves they believe in "Hate the sin, love the sinner" but from what I've observed of the actions of people who say that, it's just a fancy way of saying, "Hate the sinner."

The attitudes of their pastor, though, complete with bashing gays and lesbians, the nonreligious, and people who are of a more logical, scientific mindset (FTR, he thinks Darwin is wrong and that the creation story of the Bible is literally true. Surprise! Or not) are among the most ignorant, vile, and benighted I've ever heard. It's hard to believe that if they attend that church regularly that their attitudes would be very much different from his.

</rant>

Edit: punctuation.
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:46 AM
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123. Amen. n/t
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:04 AM
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129. This is pure flamebait and it devalues your other threads and posts
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:09 AM
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132. No it doesn't - they're exactly the same value.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:10 AM
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135. OOH! SNAP!
And dead on I might add.
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:57 AM
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140. I disagree
There was another thread asserting just the opposite. My view is legitimate and just as worthy of discussion.

Blame those flaming it, not me.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 12:00 PM
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141. I've yet to see a thread by you
that wasn't either dumb or dishonest.

Start drinking. At least that'll give you an excuse.
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 12:03 PM
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142. Sorry you feel the need to make a personal attack
Engage the issue. We're all progressives here.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:50 PM
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153. "we're all progressives here"
Yeah, and we're all trained cage fighters too.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 12:16 PM
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143. Fair & Balanced, eh Zandor?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:26 PM
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144. As subtle as a heart attack, isn't it?
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:51 PM
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167. HEY! Be nice Bluebear! Just be nice.
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TheUniverse Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:08 AM
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131. Religion is the belief in stupid stuff for no legitimate reason.
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 11:08 AM by TheUniverse
And in many faiths there is anti guy stuff. Christianity has it over and over again throughout the old and new testaments, including one passage in leviticus that orders you to kill gay people. Don't say that people who want gay people executed aren't religious. They are probably very religious, and that is the problem. Religion leads away from freedom and tolerance. People who support homosexual rights are generally less religious and more secular.
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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:31 AM
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137. I am not sure about that.
When I was a teen I declared, in front of my Aunt and her friends, that I was atheist. Not that I was gay or bi-sexual,(I do consider myself bi-sexual) only that I was an atheist. She told my Dad I was not allowed in her house again to sleep over or even just to visit.

When I was in high school I was checking out different religions and I was very excited when my religion teacher (in an all girl Catholic school) said he would loan me a book on Buddhism. I told my Mom about this and she went to the school and reamed him and the principal out! Oh, I also got a good reaming out!

My Mom was a 'good religious woman' who sometime during my teen years decided to correct me on the right way to kiss her! I was not allowed to kiss her on the lips any more because it is 'just not done'! That left me feeling refused and rejected. There is nothing sexual about kissing your Mom on the lips. She was not even tolerant of things that could be construed to others as homosexual.

My experience with religious people (I was educated from K-12 in an all girl's Catholic school with nuns and priests teaching a lot of grades and my piano teacher was a nun as well) is that they are judgmental and phobic. They do not embrace people who are different and they definitely do not explore their own fears and try to understand them.

All you have to do is see how many states have voted down giving gays equal rights and you will see how tolerant and loving these folks are.

Then again, if they were that good and loving they would be out on the streets protesting and saying that this illegal occupation and torture is the most immoral thing in the world and it must be stopped now. Some religious people are doing this. Most are not.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:53 AM
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139. !!??
:rofl:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:27 PM
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145. depends on your meaning of 'religious'
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:30 PM
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146. ohforchrissake...
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 03:05 PM by TankLV
gays are just so...icky...why do they have to flaunt if for the CHILDREN to see...stop persecuting the noble religious persons...

Don't you have to rush to post a new thread condemning MoveOn or something?!!!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:33 PM
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147. Deleted message
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:01 PM
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157. "Why the f**k do DUers keep nominating these threads?"
Amazing as it may be to you, there are Democrats with opinions different than yours.

We're being heard, and my take is our voices will get louder as the general approaches.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:11 PM
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159. What is your platform? The "Democrats like you" who are getting louder & whose voices are unheard?
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:13 PM
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160. I love diverse opinions, really. But you are starting some odd discussions
with a certain slick, devisive precision that I just don't trust.

I would love to be proved wrong. Maybe you are not a troll, only time will tell.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:21 PM
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162. 'a certain slick, devisive precision'
:nodding:
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:05 AM
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176. Well if people were slightly brighter
they could not fall for the bait by screeching, in the highest octave their keyboards reach, that the OP isn't true at all because religious people are bad.

I'd rather there be ignored "slick, divisive precision" than the inevitable ham-handed predictability of so many here.
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:45 AM
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177. Yes, exactly. Too many DUers are playing right into it and I wonder
what Zandor is doing with the info. he collects.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 02:07 AM
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195. Why do you say "DUers" --- as if you are NOT one? hmmmmm?
I wonder ---
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:05 PM
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158. Show me a homophobic asshole on DU or in the real world.
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 03:08 PM by Evoman
And I'll take a wild guess that they are religious.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:14 PM
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161. You are confusing religious people with spiritual people
I love spiritual people, but religious people scare the hell out of me.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:24 PM
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163. And those few that don't like haggis, it's hard to consider True Scotsmen.
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 03:51 PM
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188. I could take considerable offense at that remark.

Not for any particular reason. I just could.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:30 PM
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164. that is simply not true, have you never studied history?
the entire history of the christian religion, the one i'm most familiar with, is of torture and death for gays who refuse to be closeted, except for a few scant decades in a few small places in all of the existence of christianity

religion profits by controlling family life and reproduction to produce more "believers" i.e. people of faith rather than logic who will fork over their time and money to the religion

anything that subverts control of the sex life and the family life is a threat to religion, if only they were honest about it

religion is not about "love," that's how they pick your pocket, it's about money like any other group of power mad old guys telling you how to think and how to screw
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scorpiogirl Donating Member (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:32 PM
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165. So what's/who's stopping them? The Pope? God? n/t
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 08:28 PM
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168. .

:rofl:

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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:36 AM
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169. Zen, Zen, Zen. Why did you kick this steaming pile of crap?
It had formed a nice dry crust and was no longer fouling the atmosphere. Now look what you've done.
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 05:37 AM
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173. The stink is coming from one clearly identifiable direction.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 11:02 AM
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185. indeed it is
you don't need to add to it
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Beerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 05:54 AM
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175. First of all, you mis-spelled,
and second of all 'religious people' doesn't mean they all adhere to one common fairy sky-deity.
Not all 'religious people' want to extend tolerance to same-sex couples, but of course we're staying within the parameters of the United States, as usual for this board.
Lots of Americans aren't all that bright.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:07 PM
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179. Deleted sub-thread
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 03:58 PM
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184. Talk about a patently false statement (nm)
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 11:18 AM
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187. Zandor approves of gay marriage. Bravo!
Do you also approve of gay couples adopting?
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 08:57 PM
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191. My Bullshit-o-Meter just went haywire.
Edited on Tue Oct-02-07 09:00 PM by Jamastiene
I think you just pegged the needle. There is just no way what you say could possibly ever be true.

A few points to keep in mind when posting overly broad brushing oversimplified generalizations like you just did:

1. George W. Bush has been president for the last 6 and a half years. Trust me. The religious people ARE in charge. GLBT people are still treated as second class citizens while we are expected to pay OUR fair share of taxes for you to have YOUR rights.

2. All "religious people" are not tolerant of gay people. Period. Not even the majority of religious people are tolerant of gay people. Hence, decrees and charters that guide 99% of the major denominations strictly forbidding same sex marriage and in many cases even denying the right to attendance of said church just because someone is gay. There has been plenty of time for "religious people" to step up and do the right thing regarding gay rights, but still we wait with little to no progress. In other words, "religious people" have had their chance to treat us like equal human beings under the law, but that shit ain't happening. We still do not have equal rights.

3. Your first mistake: Your post. It implies that somehow gay people are less than and therefore in need of "religious people's" pity. The mentality of "extending tolerance" to gay people really says, "We see you as less than, but we'll let you live. How about that? Aren't we great?" One with that mentality obviously views us as inferior or somewhat less than human as compared to oneself. How about treating us as equal human beings instead? After what we go through in our lives, we deserve more respect than "tolerance" offers. We deserve a damn apology and our rights bestowed.

Spare me. Treat us as equal human beings and quit denying us our rights as equal human beings, or get the fuck out of the way. We do not need your stinking pity, nor are we asking you for your permission to be considered equal human beings and be given same said equal rights in this country.

Instead of patting yourself on the back for thinking you are oh, so, gracious and superior as to offer us some sort of secondary status, you should really think about just how disingenuous your "offer" really is. Spare us your pity and your condescending, insulting tone.

Treat us like equal human beings. We are.

Treat us like equal human beings...or get out of the way while we do what we have to do to survive on our own.

After all, you are either going to be a help or a hindrance to us while we do what we have to do to fight for our rights. If you really want us to have our rights, wake up and smell your own bullshit and change that condescending mentality. Treat us like equal human beings and quit insulting our intelligence and our dignity.

After reading and re-reading your original post in this thread, I have come to a couple of conclusions: I do not agree with your assertion and the tone of your OP is an insult to the integrity of GLBT people, who have had enough of this condescending bullshit.
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